Cis gay men - do you view transmen as fellow men, or do you hold

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>>8679269
They are women.

Ftms are not men. I don't care how much they "pass", it doesn't change the fact that they are physically and mentally women which is why I ignore them on Grindr.

>>8679269
I view them as sub humans.

Just a bunch of activist dykes.

cis gay men honestly seem to be much worse. They've got all the same opinions, but with more male aggressiveness involved

>>8679303
>male aggressiveness
That's because we're men, not women who pretend to be men.

>>8679306
Exactly this.

>>8679269
Transmen can always be identified by their trademark bowtie, chubby bodies, and short height. They're just weird and don't seem to fit in with guys

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>>8679269
Luke Hudson from JockPussy and Dicky Johnson from Bonus Hole Boys are hot, and most transmen in the porn side of Tumblr are pretty hot too. But if you block the nsfw in tumblr, you'll see that most transmen are just fat butch girls and are just doing it for politics and making a point.

Also, Cyd St Vincent from Bonus Hole Boys looks like a guy, but he has a girly moan that I can't get my dick hard, and I think most ftms still sound feminine. Buck Angel, for example, sounds like a gay man when he talks about serious stuff, but he has a high-pitched gay voice when he's relaxed. T makes their voice lower, but it's not enough and usually, they still talk like a girl. Luke Hudson's and Dicky Johnson's moans are great though.

>>8679341

tbf part of the problem there is that you're looking at tumblr for a representation of normal people. That'd be like looking at /r9k/ for normal people.

>>8679269
literally looks like mtf me when I tried to pass as a woman

>>8679352
Fair enough.

>>8679352
Different anon, but I live in an area with a big trans population, and every ftm I've met personally has just been an angry fat dyke who fits all the stereotypes and doesn't shut up about feminism and cis privilege. I've met at least a dozen of them over the past several years living here.

It's true to some extent.

>>8679269
Not when they look like what you posted! Looks 100% like a girl, probably not even smelled some testosterone, how the f*ck could anyone be expected to call that a man?

>>8679269

I've only met 2 real ftms (one pre and one early in transition) and they were quite manly and chill, respectable guys and fun to hang out with.
The lot you see online seem like mental autistic girls though. Trenders are even worse and give a bad name to all transgenders.

Not sexually attracted to ftms.

>>8679269
The psychology of a man is fundamentally different from that of a woman's so is the type of intelligence or capacity for it.

Changing your body and learning to ape guy's culture does nothing but turns you into a confused mess obsessed with signs and symbols. It's like a cripple thinking he can be athlete if he wears sweat bands and adops the speech patterns of a body builder he is watching on youtube. It's depressing to even think about.

I pity you. Please be a woman, even if you aren't very good at it.

>>8679526
Note the subtle implication but not nearly as obnoxiously as with MtFs that trannies are just failures at their natal sex.

Ah, but of course! /pol/ tells you the only way people will be on your side is if you harass them. Can't do it in real life, or your ass would be in the clink, so you're stuck here.

I pity you, Please be a human, even if you aren't very good at it.

>>8679269
Man = intelligence + aggression
Woman = stupidity + softness

FtMs are the latter. It should be noted that every FtM is the typical low IQ female attention whore and her idea of acting like a man is emulating the most stereotypical neckbeard imaginable and she thinks shouting leftist slogans in public is being militant.

>>8679535
Learn English bitch

>>8679549
>Woman = stupidity
holy fuck kys

>>8679608
Fuck off yeasty.

>>8679392
>big trans population
Weird. Where do you live? I've literally never met a trans person in my life (or maybe I just couldn't tell).

>>8679535
I don't want you "on my side" the idea disgusts me. This isn't about /pol/ which I never visit. Although given the choice between ALL lgbt being killed and ALL lgbt being accepted. I would rather us be killed than for things like you to propegate. I do not consider you a human being and if you did 'transition' I don't even consider you a living thing. None of this is hyperbole.

As for getting my validation. The best way you could do that is to be a woman. Failing that suicide in the least painful way you can think of, at least I can respect you for desiring dignity. As for whether you validate me, I do not care. I don't care what non-humans think much less one's that are walking corpses.

That's genuinely how I feel.

>>8679269
They are men. Just like I'm sure most lesbians view mtfs as women.
I just wouldn't have sex with one because they were born women.
I suppose deep down I don't consider them to be men then.
But I consciously see them as men, I guess my dick just doesn't.

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>>8679269
What are you trying to say with this look?

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>>8679802
>most lesbians view mtfs as women
[citation needed]

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The ones that look and act like real men are fine. They usually end up being hotter than cis guys for me.

The pudgy soft boys on tumblr that still wear makeup, skirts, and bowties can burn in hell though. They're a plague on lgbt and arguable worse than hons.

>>8679802
So.... You don't consider them to be men, lol. You can't not be attracted to them, if you're usually androphilic, and still see them as men. You don't.

>>8679621
NYC. It appears they all flock here because of the laws protecting their retarded snowflake demands.

But yeah, the trans"men" people are referring to here have lives outside of posting on Tumblr, and they are just as horrible offline as they are online.

>>8679832
Androgynophobia: The Post

>>8679853
more like autoandrophilophobia

>>8679853
>Androgynophobia
I love tomboys, not girls pretending to be boys.

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>>8679822
i think a lot of us don't, but due to the aggressive nature of MtFs (men) they intrude and force their ideologies on women who are socialised to accept it

>>8679295
>dykes
most of them are straight women.

>>8679616
>>>/r9k/

>>8679269
I don't view them as fellow men, but if they actually act like men, and not like tumblrites, I see them as a step higher than women.

Basically I really don't like the entire female gender (except my mom and my one female friend) but some transmen are ok.

It really depends on the person and whether or not I have to make a conscious effort to recognise that person as male.

People like to freak out over social media about these males and females, but when your face to face with a person you can tell whether or not they fundamentally have a need to identify as the other gender.

>>8679269
>Fellow men
maybe
>Potential sex partners
no

Just my 2cents, but all FtM trans I have met have been really cool guys and friends to me over the years.
I live in England; maybe all obnoxious ones live in the states.

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>>8679685
10/10

>>8679392
>big trans population
More like big idiot population. When a population is concentrated, it's going to be skewed, certain voices are going to get amplified. Most trans people who just want to go about their normal lives won't flock to a dense trans area to spend all day talking about trans things.

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>>8679526
>It's like a cripple thinking he can be athlete if he wears sweat bands and adops the speech patterns of a body builder he is watching on youtube
Are you retarded?

>>8679832
>The pudgy soft boys on tumblr that still wear makeup, skirts, and bowties can burn in hell though. They're a plague on lgbt and arguable worse than hons.
To be fair, they're all pretty young. Not only does that place them earlier in transition, but everyone wore retarded shit when they were teenagers. They'll grow out of it.

>>8679306
daaayyuuuuuuumm

>>8679269
We like cock so it's kinda difficult when they don't have one but fundamentally i consider them as and treat them as men

>>8679289
>male with female body
>mentally women

>>8679822
>thinking """cis""" lesgen represents the majority of lesbians

>>8680469
So did they become that way by wearing sweat bands and changing their speech patterns?

Did you even read that analogy before you went off to google that image?

>>8681134
well he and many people like him obviously disagree that trannies are "male with female bodies" but are just mentally ill females in mentally ill female bodies.

Most homosexuals, les or gay, are attracted to the body and nature of the same sex, not the genitalia. So I'm that respect its common.

But since they are attracted to the male nature, which ftms suck really badly at, it's less common than it should be.

>>8681134
>male with female body
>male
Yeah, no. Ftms are female through and through. Just because they have a mental illness that makes them think they are male doesn't mean they are, dumbass.

>>8679526
Damn, gay men are harsh. I'm a cis girl, and even I find this mean.

They are whatever they say they are, just stay off of Grindr and (especially) Growlr. If you want validation, go on tumblr.

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Let's not forget.

>>8681574
Truth is a mean thing.

These things probably failured at being women such, shitty failures that being a man seemed easier than trying to be a woman. They are essentially a bunch of cripples who's fantasy keeps them on life-support. Ultimatly they cannot be men since being a man's mind is totally different, not by culture but birth through thousands of years of evolution that geared them to think in certain ways. You would need the DNA of a man. All they can do is ape men, learn some symbols and signs. And subconsciously they know they are not men, so they will blame this on the world for not 'accepting them' when it's really that they are women that despise being women. No amount of pep talk or good will cure them because they will always be women and they will always hate themself. In fact the whole drive for acceptance will just make their suffering WORST because it distracts from the real issue.

Not to mentioning that taking their parodies of masculinity as "authentic" undermines, warps, confuses, and destroys the very concept of masculine. "accept me while I destroy everything you love" is what I hear from them. So maybe you understand my feelings.

>>8681660
Smash that Ayyden's belly with a hammer and stop the baby from developing.

>>8681192

No, they do it by physically altering their bodies. Like a trans person does.

>>8681638
>If you want validation, go on tumblr.
What if you want some fat dick?

>>8681828
>gender is defined by having a penis and muscle composure

Men and woman's brains are different. This difference comes from DNA which is decided at birth.

However in order to feed their dillusion these cripples want to change the subject to appearence, mannerisms, the depth of their voice.

>>8681837
Go to Tinder, somewhere, anywhere. I've chatted with one and he told me 90% of the messages he gets is people telling him to get off the app. It's not like I hate trans men, I don't. I'm tired of seeing the same 4 on my Grindr+Growlr in my shit MS college town, which already has a small LGBT community, and it hurts to reject them. I'm all for them and I support them as men, but I'm just not interested, nor does anyone else seem to be in my area.

>>8681969
You don't see them as men if you're not interested.

>>8681944
>Men and woman's brains are different.
Right. Which is why trans people exist.

>>8682011

Not necessarily, he might just hardcore want the D.

>>8682011
You're implying I have to be interested in all men. I do not have to be, nor does anyone. I am not attracted to women, and while vaginas are nice and slippery, I don't want to be in a sexual relationship with anyone who has one. The jury's out on FTM surgery, I don't know anyone who has had it and I'm not wanting to look it up

>>8682074
>I am not attracted to women, and while vaginas are nice and slippery, I don't want to be in a sexual relationship with anyone who has one
To be fair, trans men tend to be the least interested in their vaginas of anyone.
The idea that trans women want people to suck their dick and trans men want people to fuck their pussy is one perpetuated by porn and SJWs. For a lot of trans people you'd be lucky to even be allowed to see their junk.
(I aint arguing though, your preferences are your business).

>>8682095
Sure, perpetuated by porn, whatever have a nice day. I'm a dude with a dick who wants other dicks. I want dick, and a male frame. This is what I'm talking about. When I'm hooking up, I don't want to deal with not having to see or touch his junk because he might be trans; I want his junk. I want his body.

I've never met a trans man who can satisfy that for me--not that I've met many. They might be awesome people and we could be best of friends but I'll never be sexually attracted to them. But I'll call them men all the same because I'm not a dick

>>8682135
>Sure, perpetuated by porn, whatever have a nice day.
Why so cranky?

>I'm a dude with a dick who wants other dicks.
Like I said, that's fine.

>>8679269
transmen = warm hole

>>8681944
>Men and woman's brains are different. This difference comes from DNA which is decided at birth.
The difference comes from hormones. The effect of DNA is indirect.

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>>8681574
You females find everything mean
It's hardly a feat

>>8679526
This is just the same thing lesbians say about trans women.