GENDERLESS SOCIETY IMMINENT

>>8657524

>how can there be trans if there are no genders?

Fuck off uppity grandpa.

>>8657543
>Wanting a reduced dating pool

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>>8657554
>Doesn't realize that love ... will always find a way

>>8657524
genderless society = boys raised as imperfect girls
Genderless societies hurt men much more than women.

>>8657658
I never really understood how raising boys is any different from girls in the first place? Other than the obvious potty training differences, why would you be treating children differently based on sex?

>>8657658
boys are already imperfect girls even at a chromosome level

>>8657658
>>8657698
>Hurr durr my virility
Stupid mascgen, Faggots so scared of future
Btw boys are not imperfect girls,
grills are uncomplete boys

>>8657708
biology disagrees with you

>>8657524
The idea of a Genderless School/Society in general puts me off. Are "Nonbinary" people trying to push things like this onto normal people?

I am concerned.

>>8657683
Because there are many difference between men and women, the way they experience life, the opportunities & dangers they face, and responsible parents are supposed to prepare their kids for adult life.

>>8657524
>Specifically naming children toys and clothes...
this will never happen because companies want to sell toys,
there are differences between boys and girls whether you like it or not

>>8657524
what?
deincentivizing our society to keep shitty gender roles alive is not a bad thing

>>8657708
all theses experiments are performed by feminists who hate masculinity and literally oppress boys

>>8657728
but there is already no gender bias and difference in education in normal common school (not talking about some gender-separate orthodox ones)
there are different norms and teams for sports/fitness classes and that's it, I cant think of anything else

and now gender marxists are trying to enforcing unnatural norms hoping to turn boys into what?

>>8657728
>Because there are many difference between men and women
You mean made up "differences" you want to impose on poor innocent children you sicko?

>>8657909
>human sexual dimorphism is "made up "differences""
ok bud!

>>8657878
>there are differences between boys and girls whether you like it or not
Such as?

>>8657683
ideally everything should be personalized.
education, medicine, and whatever else specially tailored to ones needs.
but this is impossible right now. (we do have the capability to personalize some of these things, but replacing the current systems on a large scale would still take a long time even if we started now.)

right now, the best thing to do is split people into groups, and choose policy which on average is best for that group.
and we can even adapt those policies to fit more personal needs when necessary

treating everyone the same is incredibly regressive, a huge step back.

>>8657935
Why don't you google it?

>>8657524
Only white people do this.

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>>8657524
>The City of Amsterdam
Amsterdam is everything that's wrong with progressive leftism made into a city.

The problem with genderless upbringing is that instead of allowing a child to discover itself and being given a certain degree of individual freedom regarding toys and clothing, these children are forcibly raised as some "3rd gender" freak with strict gender roles regarding toys and clothing which is basically them doing exactly what they're opposing.
So we have a future generation of both cis and trans children all being raised as a gender they're not comfortable with.
So not only does it do nothing for the trans children who will still have to transition, all the cis children have to (pseudo)transition into their own gender as well.

It's utter ignorant "do goodie" pretentious massias shit like this which wants to make me wanna do a Jesus Christ on the cishets meddling in lgbt affairs.

>>8657962
How exactly is, say, education improved by splitting people into sex?

>>8657721
>Are "Nonbinary" people trying to push things like this onto normal people?
No. It's normal people with an unhealthy savior complex forcing this on other normal people.
The nonbinaries are just attention whores milking this for what it's worth.

>>8657997
I don't think google can search your imagination, only the internet.

>>8658037
different learning styles obviously.
there are a plenty of studies about "girls tend to learn better like this, while boys like that" and such.

of course there are exceptions,
but its still better then treating everyone the same.

and this is only one way to split people into groups,
there are ways to split further, some of which are much better then grouping by gender.

>>8657935
Hjernevask
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjernevask

>>8658086
What are the better ways?

What about the children who don't learn best the way their sex generally does?

>>8658087
It would be interesting to see but Pinker's book isn't exactly believable itself.

>>8658121
there are 2 ways which i think are most important.

by intelligence, genius/normal/special needs
is one of the most obvious ways.

and for specialized education.
courses which focus on whatever topic the kid is good at or interested in.

>who don't learn best the way their sex generally does?
more personalized education is the only solution to that.
there are always exceptions, and we can reduce the number of them by making better groupings until we have that.

personalized education is close though.
theres a lot of things holding it back, but there are efforts to try and make it a viable option.

>>8658215
What are the actual specific supposed differences in how boys and girls learn, with examples not just abstracts?

>more personalized education is the only solution to that.
No, we can not have groupings so everybody will be together with people who learn the same way, even if they're the 'wrong' sex.

Sex integration is a good thing too.

>personalized education is close though.
How?

>>8657728
IMO it would be far better to raise children in a gender-neutral way, and focus not so much on "gender differences" but rather on "individual differences", which parents can afford to do because in most cases they won't have more than a handful of kids. Gendered upbringing basically guarantees the worst possible outcome for gender non-conforming individuals and creates a culture of gender essentialism.

>>8657907
>but there is already no gender bias and difference in education in normal common school (not talking about some gender-separate orthodox ones)
there are different norms and teams for sports/fitness classes and that's it, I cant think of anything else
We're still made highly aware of our gender, even when it should be irrelevant.

>>8657920
Sexual dimorphism won't stop existing just because we become a gender neutral society. Your mistake is looking at sexual dimorphism and deciding you should base your entire system of ethics around it.

>>8658086
Again, that would be considerably WORSE for GNC individuals than our current system is. Better to just actually give every student a test to determine their strongest learning styles and sort them based on that.

>>8657708
>Btw boys are not imperfect girls,
I said "raised as imperfect girls".

>>8657683
The ideology that underlies "genderless society" is pathological (on a true psychological level, lack of respect for and valuable of either men or women) and has the same psychological origins as "helicopter mom" behavior.
The whole idea of erasing "man" and "woman" falls apart when you realize "masculine" and "feminine" would still exist (hint: if you destroy the former, and since you can't destroy the latter, what did you really get rid of?)

In societies where boys are raised as "imperfect girls", the girls are made just as pathological, btw.

>>8658630
The intent of erasing "man" and "woman" is NOT to eliminate masculinity and femininity, but rather to recognize that they are distinct from one's anatomical sex.

>>8658685
> but rather to recognize that they are distinct from one's anatomical sex.
thats already recognized and has been for pretty much forever.

Why not just be nice to kids and not try to turn them into prog votes? Swedes are gay everyone knows that ne way.

>>8658685
Most men today are not masculine, and nobody is dumb enough to think otherwise.
Erasing "man" and "woman" (both sex and gender) is just an attack on those few who are masculine/feminine.

>>8658685
Only the cucked western world thinks that

What sort of hell do we live in when some holier-than-thou idiots are so offended by the concept of GENDER that they are now actively fighting to have it removed from the annals of history as if it is the root of all evil in the world? I mean, you've got to be fucking kidding me.

Masculinity and femininity are not some fucking disease to be eradicated from the earth and these purple-haired freaks that are attempting to do so have no idea what they're doing. Keep your fucking non-binary, greygender, omnisexual bullshit to tumblr, for the love of God.

>>8658086
"""Learning styles""" is a meme.

>>8658032
You want to die for their sins?

>>8659067
Clearly not by the people who insist that boys and girls need to be raised differently.

>>8660119
Most people, including those who oppose sex essentialism, are either masculine or feminine. They do not consider masculinity and femininity to be bad things, but do consider putting people into boxes based on their anatomy to be a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with being a masculine man, but there is plenty wrong with the idea that one is, or should be, masculine SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE they are a man.

>>8660206
Exactly, people who use the word "cuck" unironically tend to have persecution complexes and think every good-intentioned act is a conspiracy against them.

>>8660265
Again, they're not trying to eliminate masculinity and femininity, but rather avoid forcing people into boxes based on their anatomy. You can still be masculine or feminine, but it will be based on who you are as an individual, not something that's forced on you because of your anatomy.

>>8660860
>Exactly, people who use the word "cuck" unironically tend to have persecution complexes and think every good-intentioned act is a conspiracy against them.

Thanks for the armchair psychology lesson

>>8660875
You're welcome.

>>8660500
No.
Angrily flipping tables and chasing them out of lgbt spaces with a whip.

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>>8660860
this is the future leftists want for our children.

>The next day Elliott asked for magazines to make a collage about things people should know more about, adding glitter and photos of Beyonce and trans actress Laverne Cox next to words like bodies, consent, racism, gender, and decolonization -- which they asked for help writing.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/halifax/2017/02/06/gender-nonconforming-kid-elliott-educate-pop-up-school.html

>>8660860
100% of 'gender fluid kids' are obvious cases of yuppie liberal helicopter moms maxxing out their child's social capital.

>>8658541
We shouldn't base ethics on human biology

What should we base it on instead, then? Warm cuddles and teddy bears?

>>8657909
Have you ever considered that, rather than being arbitrary rules created by some evil force to oppress people, gender roles are something which emerge naturally out of basic common sense?

>>8657524
>>8662706
As if we needed any more proof that Common Filth is right

At this point ISIS are the good guys. Every white liberal dead ought to be a cause for the satisfaction of all God-fearing people.

>>8662706
>white """"""""""""people""""""""""""

>why the FUCK can't tran'sgendered's stop fucking talking about gender??
>*autistic screeching* HWY IS GENDER NOT GOING TO BE TALKED ABOUT EVERY WAKING MINUTE OF PEOPLES' LIVES

>>8663034
>Canadians
>white

>>8663029
>What should we base it on instead, then? Warm cuddles and teddy bears?
Base it on what makes sense for the specific circumstance. Biology should be taken into account, but it shouldn't be the only factor or put on a pedestal.

>>8663029
total degenerate individualism. everything that gets in the way of the pleasure of the individual is an oppressive social construct that must be abolished

>>8662706

I actually had a stroke when I managed to force myself to get to this little nugget:

> While Elliott often used blue (he), pink (she), or yellow (they) bracelets to show Kym which pronoun they preferred before they started school, after a “rough” first couple months in primary they decided on “boy” clothing and “he” pronouns after being teased.

THE KID IS SIX GOD DAMN FUCKING YEARS OLD. SIX. Fucking kid is barely old enough to get through his timetables yet he and his shithead mother thinks it's honestly a good idea to fuck around with pronouns and gender identity and fuck knows what else. This kid is going to be slaughtered in middle school, keep his ass at home.

>>8657561
what the fuck is even happening with you fucking lunatics?

Two genders, you whimsical faggots.
Male and female.
Get over it.

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>>8657524
It's ridiculous but it ain't gonna change the fact that I don't give a fuck about roasties. In the end this will only make the biological differences that much more evident.

>>8663098
"Degenerate individualism" isn't a bad thing, so long as everyone gets to be an individual. You don't want to end up like the Soviets though, where only the top members of the Party get to be individuals and it's collectivism for everyone else.

>>8663320
Yeah. There's a way to be gender neutral but this isn't it.

>>8667554
>implying there is ever any good "gender neutral"

>>8657524
This actually isn't a truthful representation at all. First lets start with your claim that naming of toys and clothes will change, this is not happening. The article does quote a youth that feels gender neutral aisles would be better but there is no movement to enact that.

Secondly the main point you are making is also wrong. The company is standardizing announcements to "dear passengers" instead of "ladies and gentlemen" where both had been used previously.

You're blowing smoke about nothing. What is madness is your overreaction to absolutely nothing.

>>8658032
Amsterdam isn't leftist and doesn't have much to do with most of what you've said. It's true there are a lot of gay clubs there but there is also racism and homophobia. Nobody is raised as a third gender, actually the Netherlands had a human rights violation because of it's refusal to recognize ambiguous genitalia. You're painting a picture of the country that is counter factual.

>>8670704
>actually the Netherlands had a human rights violation because of it's refusal to recognize ambiguous genitalia
How exactly is this a human rights violation?

>>8670726
I forget what the issue was but it was something about them having less rights or being unable to change it to the correct sex. I think there was also an issue with invasive corrective surgery. This was over a decade ago and they were far behind a lot of other countries in how the handled it.
Foreigners and tourists always fail to understand that the Netherlands is quite a conservative country and very hard to change policies. The ruling government for the last two decades has been right wing, before it was a Christian right wing party led by a guy that looked like Harry Potter, and now it's a libertarian right wing party that has a lot in common with neocons.
The worker's party which is usually the opposition leader are centrist business elites. The only real left wing parties are the Green Party and the Socialist Party but they never get in. There's also things like the Animal Party but they only get 2 seats if they get any at all which isn't enough to ever be considered for any coalition. The Freedom Party which is a nationalistic far right anti-islam anti-immigration party usually gets as much support as all those smaller left wing parties.

>>8670763
>but it was something about them having less rights or being unable to change it to the correct sex.
Still better off than trans people have it.

>I think there was also an issue with invasive corrective surgery. This was over a decade ago and they were far behind a lot of other countries in how the handled it.
Only one country has banned invasive 'corrective' surgery and that was like two years ago, so idk how that's behind other countries.

>>8670775
I don't remember the exact details but it was a bit of a scandal. Another strange policy they have is since 10 years ago any non EU immigrants to the Netherlands must follow a course.They have to then complete an exam including a Dutch language test before they're let in the the country. Considering all the fuss made with Trump's recent immigration plans I don't see how that can be called leftist but Trump's is rightist.
Especially if you know that people and right wind politicians say that those immigration policies aren't strict enough.

>>8670803
>They have to then complete an exam including a Dutch language test before they're let in the the country
this isnt right or left, its the norm in almost every civilized country.

>>8670815
Actually it isn't and Americans don't have that either. They have something like a course for citizenship but that's after you've already immigrated. Strict immigration is right wing and conservative as it aims to maintain a homogeneous dominant majority.

>>8670850
thats why i said almost. america is an exception
only far left lunatics hate proper immigration controls.

>>8670704
>Amsterdam isn't leftist and doesn't have much to do with most of what you've said.
Amsterdam IS leftist, and it has EVERYTHING to do with what I said.

>It's true there are a lot of gay clubs there but there is also racism and homophobia.
TOTALLY IRRELEVANT
>Nobody is raised as a third gender
Because Amsterdam isn't at that point yet.
But they copied the whole genderless nonsense from other foreign cities so you can count on it that genderless schools will follow suit. Just as it has always done.
>You're painting a picture of the country that is counter factual.
What do you know about the Netherlands?
Because it sounds like you don't know shit.

>>8670803
>non EU immigrants
Because someone speaking Ukrainian is the end of the world but Romanian is fine.

>>8671376
nobody here likes the eu

>>8673651
I'm european, can confirm.

>>8657524
>No genders
>Nobody complains about being misgendered
>Nobody complains about gender inequality
>Nobody joins gender ID politics
>Nobody complains about LGBT because it just stops existing without genders
>Religious places of worship that still recognise gender fizzle out, killing religion
Why do you want gender erasure to end?

>>8662706
Why is this shit allowed?

Gender is a deprecated patriarchal tool of oppression. The whole notion belongs in the trashcan of history next to race.

>>8674655
>men sacrifice themselves to protect the fairer sex
>patriarchal oppression

>>8673939
because that would require brainwashing on a scale religion could never imagine.

>>8674709
It's patriarchal because the leaders of society are still, even to this day, predominantly male. That tendency is weakening, but gender is still an oppressive system, and as you point out, even men are victimized by it if they're not high up enough on the hierarchy to be the ones calling the shots. Patriarchy is a problem, and is intrinsically tied to the institution of gender; as long as we divide people into groups of men and women, those groups will continue to be "separate but equal". That doesn't mean that any possible elimination of patriarchy would be a good thing, of course - matriarchy can be equally oppressive, as can a gender-egalitarian system that establishes oppressive hierarchies on the basis of race or class, etc. It's oppressive hierarchies that are the problem, and patriarchy is one significant aspect of the oppressive hierarchy we currently live under.

>>8674709
>talking to a tripfag
Just hide the post and pretend it never happened.

>>8674655
I too look forward to a liberated communist society in which i'm allowed to liberate children from the chains of white patriarchal oppresion via 'queering the age of consent, ie. politically correct child r*pe

>>8676523
Anarcho-communists (and left-libertarians in general) oppose coercion in all forms, so they wouldn't support adults taking advantage of children. I would expect MLMs to have a similar position, just with more gulags.

>>8676584
>so they wouldn't support adults taking advantage of children.
what if the child consents, tho?

id throw a nuke in this thread and kill everyone in it
the world would be a better place for it

>>8676584
yeah but pedo rights is the last frontier for civil rights, we all know as soon gender is abolished all those lgbts and leftists are going to look for more ways to virtue signal. these people have no morals except 'social constructs' being bad

>>8676622
But pedo rights were the first rights to be espoused by the right? The beginning of leftist idealogy was the idea that children should be except from being murdered in times of war by adults, it's literally the first case of a special protected class of minorities being established? And the idea that children should be protected from rape was the second idea put forward by the left?

>>8676632
the postmodern left is relativist, they only care about victim status, being transgressive and smashing those evil white social constructs that are definitely arbitrary and oppressive and could possibly have no reason to exist. something tells me pedos are going to be the next trendy victim class. in fact, leftist publications like

>>8676400
>even men are victimized by it if they're not high up enough on the hierarchy to be the ones calling the shots.
"even" men? Who are you kidding you dumb misandrist. Men are the primary victims of gynocentrism, or as you misandrists prefer to call it, "patriarchy", and no rank a male can achieve will save them from their inherent societal worthlessness compared to women.

>>8676590
That's mostly something that ancaps/right-libertarians argue. Left-libertarians consider "consent" to not only mean "say yes", but rather "say yes while not subject to coercion or manipulation", something which children cannot do until they become adults.

>>8676622
>we all know as soon gender is abolished all those lgbts and leftists are going to look for more ways to virtue signal. these people have no morals except 'social constructs' being bad
Leftist ideology is not identical to what right-wing propaganda says it is. Leftists don't even really have a concept of "virtue signalling", that's a wholly right-wing misinterpretation of leftist ideas. And leftists do have morals, mainly, they oppose coercion. They don't oppose social constructs for their own sake, there are plenty of social constructs that they support, for example the notion that people shouldn't be killed for being gay or trans. That's a social construct, but it's one that leftists consider reasonable, justified, and non-coercive. Their ideology is to analyze and judge social constructs, and reject those that do not serve a positive purpose. Which isn't remotely the same as destroying all social constructs.

>>8676790
Who decides that men have "inherent societal worthlessness"? It's not an innate, physical, concrete thing. It's the collective judgement of society. Who does the judging?

>>8678090
>Who does the judging?
Gynocentrists such as feminists and their sympathizers.

>>8678225
Is this bait?

>>8676650
>something tells me pedos are going to be the next trendy victim class
People have been saying this forever, it's not anymore true now than it was in the 50s.
If anything, all it shows is that those people have a warped view of consent; since they don't see the clear difference between paedophilia and whatever the reactionary pearl clutcher of the moment is (consent).

>>8678492
Is this a serious question?

Ik haat deze tijdlijn oetz

>>8678526
Yes.
I don't understand how you could think that unironically.
Usually when people say that men are disposable, they say it's just a result of dimorphism and traditional gender roles and it's all fine and dandy, not:
>Feminists orchestrated the great war!!1!

>>8678090
>"say yes", but rather "say yes while not subject to coercion or manipulation", something which children cannot do until they become adults.
they obviously can do that though.

pedophilia is illegal because it prevents more children from being harmed that way.
its not harmful or without consent in all cases, but its still worth making illegal all together to better prevent those cases where it is harmful.

but the modern left doesnt really like preventative laws like that (unless its banning guns),
why punish people who did nothing wrong just because others do. live and let live you know
and thats why they come up with stupid bullshit like what you said just because they dont want it admit being wrong.

>>8678090
>They don't oppose social constructs for their own sake, there are plenty of social constructs that they support, for example the notion that people shouldn't be killed for being gay or trans

but it's ok to kill people for being white. I've unironically heard that from many leftists. I don't believe these people are rational

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>>8678522
leftists and lgbtsjws have been trying to normalise pedophilia for a while now, though

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>LHBTI-organisaties (lesbisch, homoseksueel, biseksueel, transgender, interseksueel) pleiten voor een genderneutralere wereld, zodat iedereen zich gewaardeerd voelt.

Stop pretending you're acting in my interests, I don't want you to shove this shit down everyone's throats, I don't want to be associated with literal freaks that want to brainwash boys into ruining themselves by hopping onto HRT, I don't want to live in a genderless world. The majority shouldn't have to adjust to minorities, it should be the other way around.

>>8679557
Even if that were true, it's not efficient or practical to judge everything on a case-by-case basis, so the preferred policy is to err on the side of caution. And gun control isn't really a leftist thing, you seem to be confusing leftists with progressive liberals.

>>8679586
If they actually think people deserve to be killed simply for their genetics/the color of the skin, that isn't really something that has any basis in leftist ideology. Sounds more like it's basically right-wing ethno-nationalism with the serial numbers filed off.

>>8680895
Tranny here, I do want a genderless world.

>>8657524
who the fuck cares? does it matter that they don't say "ladies and gentlemen"? no, it's trivial af

I welcome this. Traditional, heteronormative, gender conforming society is crumbling away. We are slowly moving into a better world where identity is self-created and flexible.

>>8684697
Luckily Most people are fed up with Marxist social engineering. Expect a massive backlash lol. Fags are extremely thick and don't realise they are under 3% of the population

>>8685673
And what percentage of the population do you think are reactionaries? Most people are supportive or indifferent to LGBT rights, that's how they've gotten so far in the first place. LGBT rights give a lot more freedom to those who are LGBT, without significantly imposing on others. Such a movement will always be more appealing than one that results in the net loss of freedom.

>>8679592
You do know where you are right?