How do you feel about Trump banning Transgender people from

How do you feel about being so stupid you made a 5th thread about it

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>>8634819
Praise the Lord!

I'm so glad someone is finally speaking up for common sense against you mentally ill, queer faggots!

>>8634819
ALREADY A THREAD >>8634679

>>8634819
/lgbt/ on tier 2 suicide watch

>>8634824

no offense I did search for the keyword Trump & military before posting this but because people didn't use these proper buzzwords in their posts they went unfound, so I figured no one else posted this thread yet...

it's only fair that those other threads be deleted for not using proper words to describe their post so people can search for them

>have to deal with a flood of /pol/acks screaming "HAHA DEGENERATES WE WON"

Only thing I care about with his decision. I don't care what trannies do or don't do.

I personally think gays & lesbians & bisexuals should be banned as well.

We need people focused in our military not on who they can hook up with on the down low... but by actually protecting this country..

>>8634855
Are you implying that culture doesn't exist by the heterosexuals in the military?

Or are you saying only fully certified straight males should be allowed?

>>8634819
Only straight male should serve in military. Still non-whites are pushing it a bit.

>>8634901
>not wanting to kill of the poc's
stupid drumpftard

>>8634909
Go back to your echo chamber >>>/r/the_donald, racist.

>>8634855
Nobody with this opinion has ever been in service.

Even if you're on tour in a warzone, 90% of your time is downtime either traveling or just sitting around waiting for orders. If you believe a large group of human beings can sit in a camp with nothing to do and the only thing that would prevent them from focusing on their military work is whether or not a handful of them like cock, you're delusional. Drama will happen regardless.

>cant serve if you have bipolar
>cant serve if you have scizophrenia
>cant serve if you have gender dysphoria
All are mental illnesses, makes sense.

>trump drafts all the cis guys to die in some shithole, Americs becomes a transbian paradise

4D chess

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/6pnyw7/transgender_people_cant_serve_us_army/?limit=500

Reddicucks literally seething

>>8634901
This. Homoerotic activities should be restricted only to hazing rituals.

>>8635232
>Be a horny virile young adult stranded in a desert in a camp full of other men in your same situation
>Expect nothing gay to happen

Lol, there's literally no reason to be opposed to gay shit in the army besides the stigma about it. Raping/hiring the local women honestly doesn't somehow seem better to me.

/pol/ here

we can still be lowkey FWB, right?

>>8634855
Good luck finding them out when they could just lie and say they're straight.

>>8634819
>on the off chance the draft is ever actually reinstated everyone else has to die, but not me
>and the big terrible cost for this is that I also can't volunteer to get flown out to be shot in the head by a Muslim

Oh noooooo
I'm so upset
This is just terrible

>>8634819
trannies are fucking degenerate

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GET FUCKED YOU MENTALLY ILL TRAPS

Jesus Christ. No president will ever be more based. Fuck trannies. Die soon dumb slut unstable attention whores.

>>8635265

You also can't join the military to earn the funds to mutilate yourself or pay for hormones.

>>8635251
NO! Military wife or nothing!

>>8635286
Good thing the insurance of their employer will do that anyway.

>>8635293

Implying 4chan trannies are employed. You can't take away this win, trannies are literally banned from something and that decision is going to echo across the states. Mentally ill sex addicts with child minds blown the fuck out.

>>8635279
>Die soon
I'll die slowly of old age rather than getting shot in the military.
>>8635286
I guarantee you anon, if I was looking for a job to help me afford cheap as fuck $10 a month hormones, it wouldn't be one that involves getting shot to death.

But coincidentally them military is paying for my hormones because my dad's navy, and I'm taking the most expensive possible hormone regime, my testosterone blocker cost $1500 a month, but hypothetically if the military wasn't paying for it, I'd just switch to one of the many ridiculously cheap alternatives.

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>>8635293
>trannies
>employed

This delusion.

>>8635301
>>8635325
If they're not employable, then what makes you think they could make it past basic training or even fucking get that far in the army?

Why do you think this would affect anyone on this board?

>>8635301
>>8635325
>uuuh... Trannies don't have jobs!

I hate to break it to you /pol/, but you can't make a job that involves getting shot to death sound appealing. You know you can't make such a thing sound appealing, I know you can't do it. Stop trying.

>>8635317

You conveniently ignored that this decision is going to echo throughout the United States. Trannies are going to get beaten and banned from more things because you're repulsive and bad unstable people. Why do trannies selectivey read? Truth too hard?

>>8635330
Are you just being willfully ignorant of how the military operates?

>>8635325
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/military-related/us-transgender-military-service/

>>8635340
I didn't selectively read, I just ignored your bullshit. See >>8635334 you're trying way too hard to make a big deal about something that really doesn't matter or affect us at all. The day of the rope won't come outside of your dreams, this won't mean anything.

>>8635340
Good, let's undo gay marriage too and have a federal-level ban on it. Why should trannies be the only victims? That would really show the left too.

I'm sure the CIA and friends appreciate all the transfer applicants.

>>8635366
Alright,that's nice dear. This still doesn't mean anything, no one cares.

>>8635363

Gays and Lesbians don't want to self mutilate and mesh with society because they aren't always crying being hostile. Nice fantasy but you're not the same as us and now it's finally confirmed. Thank you Trump.

>>8635354
Military isnt allowed to discriminate, and theyll take the bottom dregs of society, because the whole thing is a glorified welfare scheme.

I wonder what the employment rates are for trannies overall

>>8635375
Fuck off degenerate, I'm trans but at least I know it and don't pretend I'm better than other degenerates like you degeneracy-sympathizers.

>>8635385

>extreme gay hatred

Glad we're on an even playing field now tranny boy. Except I can join the military and people don't disdain me.

>>8635398
>being self-hating is so much better! Look how much I cut myself!

lol

>>8635385
Not if the lesbians aren't in porn.

>>8635413
>I-i'm a straight

>he typed while crying

>>8635413

>I'm a straight man
>used the word cis in previous post

Kill yourself you dumb transparent tranny. Do it now.

>>8635437
>I-i don't want to chop up my genitals

>she typed while crying

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>>8634819
I'm torn on this. On the one hand, this is BS. You don't need to be cis to hold a gun or run a mile, and as a military brat I can guarantee only assholes will care about you being trans.

On the other hand, I'm personally banned from ever serving due to an issue with gluten, and possibly due to the fact I have to take thyroid pills. Both are easy to treat, but I absolutely cannot have anything with gluten which would effectively make me non-deployable because if I'm serving in Iraq how can they make sure my rations don't have gluten in them? Can they ensure I get the thyroid pill at the correct dosage every day? I know the current administration isn't thinking about this but still.

>>8635445

This tranny is spiraling.

What did the Tranny solider find in his panties this morning?

A dishonorable discharge

>>8634819
Trannies BTFO!

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Looks like you cant fight and die for american imperialism tranny faggots

*this drone strike brought to you by breast cancer awareness month

>>8635136
I posted in that thread, expected to get demolished but I was surprised that I got over 100 upvotes

>>8635476

>it typed while crying

Im glad i can dodge a draft again by pretending to be a pretty girl

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>mfw

>>8634829
I don't think most ppl give a shit. this is going to effect like .1% of .1% of the population.

>>8634819
I have no problem with trannies, but I think this might be for the best. People hear 'Military' and automatically think 'Infantry' but there's more to it than that. Just about any civilian job you can think of has a Military counterpart, these non-combat roles are what trans people tend to go for which some jobs require additional training thus additional costs on top of medical footing the bill for their transition. So you have a lot of high cost people doing menial jobs that anyone else could easily do for less. Very much looking at the bottom line in this decision and my only regret is with trans people who actually want to serve their country and not just use the system for their transition.

>>8634819
I don't give a shit, it was never going to work. Too many obstacles - military culture, structure, etc

>>8635375
You're delusional if you think you can win favor by throwing trannies under the bus.

>>8635525

We've already won favor sweetie. There's a gay character in everything now and we got our marriage equality. Let's stay on topic, mentally unstable trannies are losing favor.

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>Don't have to get sent to a third-world countries so that shitskins can shoot at me
>Don't have to fight in Shekelberg's petty oil grab """"conflicts""""
>Continue to live my middle class cushy lifestyle, working like a normal member of society
>On top of that, I get to pretend to be a girl

Trans life is pretty good, all things considered.

>>8635533
>we got our marriage equality.
We'll see how long that lasts if the Supreme Court gets stacked with conservatives.

>>8635446
Yeah I feel like people don't realize there are a lot of conditions that can ban you from serving, including psych issues like a history of depression. Personally I think it's for the best. Trans people bring potential mental health issues, lots of healthcare costs, and I don't see how it was ever going to mesh with military culture. People are too caught up in "mentally ill trannies btfo!!!11!" to think logically about it.

Still, good on those 2500 trans people who enlisted just in time for a medical discharge and free pension, lol

>>8635539
>tfw it was conservative catholic majority supreme court who granted gays the right to marry

>>8635539
Reminder that states attempting to push bathroom bills are also overturning individual cities' nondiscrimination protections for gays.
> small government, individual liberties, vote republican!

>>8635539
I fucking wish. How often does it overturn its past rulings?

>>8635545
It's true that there are a lot of things that keep people from serving. The big problem is the way this was announced with tweets. This doesn't look like a well-considered weighing of costs and benefits, but naked pandering to regressive social conservatives. It's also giving a lot of assholes another excuse to dump on trannies.

>>8635561
Agreed, the way they went about it is obvious pandering. Announcing policy with tweets is the new normal lmao.

>>8635550
Mhmmm. Just keep on talking. Let this faggot slip on down and make you feel real good while you "oppress" us. That's right. Make me choke on it real good, daddy. I'll swallow every drop.

>>8635551
I'm a tranny and believe in small government, individual liberty, and free market economics. The Republicans aren't really for any of those things. They claim to be but their actions say otherwise. The worst thing is they keep pandering to social conservative retards. You can see Trump increasingly throwing in with the social conservatives. They always fall back on hate. US politics is so completely fucked up.

>>8635551
>cities ban private bodies from doing what they want
>states ban cities from banning private bodies
Sounds small govt to me.

If you're upset the states also ban the cities' public bodies from establishing their own rules, then it serves you right for being happy to see the cities invading private bodies in the first place.

>>8635581
>>8635585

>>8635579
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.

>>8635581
Also a tranny here, want to be redpilled because I'm tired of liberalism but shit like this keeps happening

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>transgender
>people
Pick one

>>8635584
Mmmm. Yeah daddy. Degrade me. It makes me so fucking hard. My boipussy is quivering. Feed me that load.

>>8635600
Did your teacher give you a star for this post?

>>8634855
>no hetero either

>>8635600
That's drag.
The edge is real in here today

>>8635599
My views all fall in line with conservative values, but man, they made it really hard to be right-leaning.

I voted for Trump because he wasn't Hillary, and he seemed on board enough with LGBT stuff to not be pulling this on the regular. He's pretty much just been nothing but disappointing and there's no "party" that I can willfully support now. The left sees me as a leveraging tool (And on top of that fags and dykes hate us) and the right sees me as something to be swept away.

It's rather frustrating. What is somebody who's trans and right-leaning supposed to do?

>>8635627
I'd exist no matter what you think of me, just like trans people always have.

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>legitimately feel like it could be a slippery slope to take away other trans rights
>i can also no longer be drafted and stay a neet loser who never fights

its a mixed bag, i guess

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>>8635616
And this is a ..woman?

>>8635620
Liberal values:
>LGBTs in the military for the sake of equality (read: virtue signalling) even if it costs efficiency, money and lives.
Conservative values:
>Efficiency first, equal rights mean no quotas before they mean gay marriage and LGBT in the military.

Are you really right-leaning? If so you should be complaining unconstitutional gay marriage is still on the books and quotas haven't been ruled discrimination before bitching about the military.

t. trans and right-leaning

>>8635643

It's the former. This is the beginning.

I disagree with anyone on hormones being able to serve. I've not met a single transgender person on hormones who as of clear state of mind or had any stability.

If they can prove they're decent by tradition means while before or after hormones, that's fine by me. However the fact they're trying to politicize with social rights potential warzones is unacceptable to me.

Not to mention the absurdly high suicide attempt rates, when that's paired with typical military stress, I don't have very much faith in the transgender community, and it's pretty shitty that it's being conflated with LGBT as a whole because the ramifications are much different.

>>8635648
Riley is a trender.

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>>8634819
>Should people who are suffering from a severe mental disorder be allowed to serve in the armed forces?

Gee, I don't know.

>>8635658
>Conservatives are purely utilitarian and Liberals are purely motivated by feeling morally superior

O im laffin

>no longer have to sign up for the draft

>this is a bad thing

Thats some mental gymnastics...

>>8635762

>no longer can get benefits for being a mentally unstable delusional military clerk to pay for your mutilation, and the announcement is sending tremors through every online community

Yes tranny, keep deluding yourself until the suicide. :)

>>8635762
>implying there will ever be a draft again unless America literally gets invaded by an occupying force

The military-industrial complex realized after Vietnam that the draft made people actually pay attention to the wars the US was fighting. With a volunteer military it's out of sight, out of mind.

>>8635762
We will STILL have to sign up, idiot.

We will still get refused college grants, driving licenses, etc if we haven't signed up (or if we have and they made a mistake and didn't register us even when we gave them our details, which has happened).

We simply won't get called up or will be sent home when we are.

Which would happen anyway because we're weaklings.

And is irrelevant anyway because the draft will never be reinstated.

>>8635446
>>8635545
I was under the impression that transitioning/transitioned trans people couldn't serve because of their medical needs (hormones, etc.)

>>8635786
If WW3 broke out without a direct invasion on US soil the draft will be reinstated. And they wouldn't care so much about mental illness once that professional elite volunteer army is ground down to nothing.

Just sayin'. America has plenty of manpower now, but that may not always be the case, and running low on manpower makes civilian command get desperate for recruits.

And now /pol/ is being super obnoxious and calling for gays and lesbians and bisexuals to be banned, what a shock.

>>8635849
Modern warfare is not about infantry vs infantry, it's bombing and drone strikes. And warfare vs developed nations is much less preferable to warfare against terrorism and failed states. WW3 is wishful thinking for idiots who desire "the happening".

>>8635317
>$1500 a month for AA
Another tranny here, that sounds ridiculous.

>This whole thread
>>>/pol/
>>>/lgbt/
FUCK OFF

I don't really care:

1) Its true, transgenderism IS more expensive than being cis. Military always kicks people out for medical stuff.
2) Like, I hate to be that person but the military is pretty INHERENTLY regressive like. Sorry you don't get to murder people?


>>8635914

Uhhhh this is /lgbt/???

cut my dick into pieces
this is my woman hole
dialation, hair weaving
can't fucking sleep with this shit still bleeding
was it wrong, was it right?
am I a girl tonight?
my open wound's closing tight
potential lovers out of sight

Welp, may as well go into graphic design. My autistic tranny-ass has to do something.

ngl tho, this does kinda suck

>>8635437
>Beat my lesbian girlfriend up or get beaten up by her then have 'sex' by eating each other one
stop watching porn

>>8634761
I'm trans and support this 110%, as "no trannies in the military" was a conclusion I came to on my own. I completely agree with Trump that this nonsense of allowing open trans people to serve is detrimental to the military. It's not just an issue of cost - it's also an issue of efficiency. CIS MEN are the best soldiers, especially in combat, end of.

As you might suspect, I don't support women in the military either, except in supportive roles.

If you want trans people and women in combat, you want more dead cis men. That's about all it comes down to - the deaths of our fathers, brothers and sons because they are strained and shouldering the extra work in a way they wouldn't be otherwise.

As a wee trans boy, I wanted to be a solider someday and resented that my country (at the time) did not allow females in combat.

Then I grew the fuck up.

Come at me, faggots.

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it's really fucking obnoxious how /b/ "teehee nigger XDDD" shit stopped being performative and started being a real thing, and then it took over the entire site
nerd shit is dead and all we have now are politics where inept faggots fling shit at each other because the real trajectory of history is determined by technology and thermodynamics
>make me a cake or im telling
>nuh uh you cant fight anymore

we're all going to be either paleolithic retarded goatherds or meat moss running bitcoin mining software in a few years. let's see you fucking shitpost your way out of that

>>8636193
>combat

did you know that "in the military" doesn't necessarily refer to being in a combat role?
>come at me, faggots

wow nice, you just roll in from 2009 /b/?

>>8634819
Why should a mentally stable individual who experienced a short period of depression years ago be barred while an individual who wants to cut their penis off (among the high likelyhood of depression and eventual suicide) be a-okay?

I agree tbhq.

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>>8636221
Calling people out when you still use reddit spacing.
You have to go back.

In 2016, the Pentagon tasked RAND Corporation (a non-profit research institute) with investigating the related costs and potential readiness impacts associated with allowing transgender service members into the military.

In studying eighteen other countries that allow transgender personnel to serve openly, “in no case did the RAND team find evidence of an effect on operational effectiveness, operational readiness or cohesion” (https://www.rand.org/news/press/2016/06/30.html). Also, to ban trans service in “any capacity,” seems to directly contradict the notion that this ban has to do with performance and capability concerns, any capacity includes non-combat roles.

Saying this was done for medical costs and disruption (transgender medical costs would likely be less than .2% of the military budget) is a farce, plain and simple

This press conference is pretty infuriating tbqh and I'm just a gayfag. Feel bad for you, transfolks.

>>8636247
You are correct. This was pure politics of the basest kind.

>>8636249
Thank you. It hurts when people who *claim* to be LGB are eager to throw us under the bus.

>>8636265
Try to remember that people like to shitpost online behind masks. I think most people realize its a bad decision to issue a ban that is affecting active military personnel with no plan in place.

>>8636271
At this point everything is a distraction in politics.

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>>8636193
>I don't support women in the military either, except in supportive roles.
>As a wee trans boy
If you didn't say this I would expect you to be a a mtf tbqh. Possibly a transbian as well.

>>8636265
Nobody is like that outside of 4chan. Why do you live in this bubble that will do nothing but promote self-taught?

>>8636277
Yes, I realize that people shitpost here all the time. Still, there's a lot of trans-hate going around all over the place, and it feels like we're starting to go backwards. It's no wonder we tend to be insecure and defensive.

>>8636221
Guess you missed the sentence before that, huh genius?

>>8636293
That's because you're stupid and think a) this is a "man's" opinion, and b) transbians are men.

>>8636271
I'm pretty suspicious about this myself. He did this either so that he could tout it as a victory to his base, or so that he can distract the public from something he thinks is more damaging.

>>8636327
Yeah, its lame. Just try to argue with facts and not sink down to their level. People are using this to spew hate and its pretty telling to those around them. Americans don't like to hear about servicemen and women getting treated like shit, and this will certainly lead to that happening.

>wartime.
>can't reliably get your hormones.
>if MtF can't get time to dilate your post op "vagina"
>become a total liability to the unit due to your head being fucked up from the hormone imbalance in addition to the stress of the mission.

People have been denied enlistment and kicked for less. Trans people would never be able to deploy which makes them almost useless in the military.

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>>8636338
>a) this is a "man's" opinion, and b) transbians are men.

>>8636374
Yeah man just link me up with the counter study in >>8636247 that researches multiple countries that allow transgender people in the military

>the only use of someone in the military is whether they are literally able to go boots on the ground in bumfuck nowhere

>>8636362
>being this easily offended on 4chan
Why are you here? Offending each other is a 4chan pastime. If you don't like it, reddit is a click away.

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>>8636361
>He did this so that he could tout it as a victory to his base, and so that he can distract the public

He is doing everything he can to undo what Obama did in an effort to gain the support of republicans.

The timing of this is obviously an attempt to distract from the failure of the republican-controlled congress to remove obamacare.

Does the ban include FtMs too..? They're ignored a hella lot.

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>>8634819

>>8636397
sorry man guess I just outgrew being 15 and relentlessly trying to be a dickhead on /b/ to fit in

>>8636403
It is a distraction aimed at Democrats so they can't prepare for tomorrow. Try to keep up, please.

>>8636412
When are you going to outgrow needing a hugbox, then? Seems to me you trade one immaturity for another.

Even better how so many anons are quick to deny the homosexuality of another anon if they don't support the T in the military, or are you blind to how /lgbt/ is becoming less gay and more trans every year?

You took over our board, so deal with our frustration.

>>8636397
I'm not talking about 4chan, honey. I'm talking about places like reddit, facebook, kiwi farms, etc.

>>8636441
Hmm, fair enough.

>>8636391

>the only use of someone in the military is whether they are literally able to go boots on the ground in bumfuck nowhere

EVERY person needs that is in the military needs to be able to deploy wherever the mission needs them even to "bumfuck nowhere". Thinking that an service member that does office work in the military doesn't go to Afghanistan or some place dangerous is stupid.

>>8636435
I don't even use /lgbt/ that often desu so sorry for not being up to date on the board culture. I don't need a hugbox and I'm not pearl clutchingly offended reading about how someone thinks all trannies should be shot and buried for the 500th time, I'm just annoyed and think it's lame at this point. I don't get why that one anon was saying you can't be gay if you don't support trans people in the military though I have to assume they're incredibly naive or trolling to think gay people would be some kind of special exemption from being transphobic, this isn't the 70's where people consider them mostly the same anymore

>>8635663
>If they can prove they're decent by tradition means while before or after hormones, that's fine by me
trans people don't stop taking hormones.

>>8636374
Trannies usually just do desk jobs with all the women. I doubt they'd stick them on the front lines, they barely even let women there lol

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>>8636408
No one knows about real FtMs and when they have some idea it's attention whore freaks like Toni Tamponi.

Why should troops like Logan here be thrown out?

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>>8636494
I can speak further about this because I was discharged from the Army for having a condition called Congenital Stationary Night Blindness. The way the military works is that no matter what job you have, combat or not, you still have to have a wartime duty, which applies to ANY military occupation. For example, the Army (music) band functions as enemy POW prison guards during time of war. All service members, including cooks, are expected to be able to fire weapons and throw grenades, because every single one of them are expected to be either in or very close to the combat zone.

In my particular case, the logic is that if I was out in the combat zone (my MOS was 19D) or anywhere near it, and night came around, I would be ineffective and would end up being a liability to my battle buddies. Sure, there are night vision goggles, but what if they are damaged, batteries run out, etc? Doesn't work, hence discharge.

In the case of a transgender, if the combat situation caused them to ever separated from their unit for a long period of time (something that happens often) they'd become a liability to their battle buddies. MtF trans would also have to carry other gear around if they've had bottom surgery, which also presents a logistical problem.

>>8636247
>Saying this was done for medical costs and disruption (transgender medical costs would likely be less than .2% of the military budget) is a farce, plain and simple
it should be 0% as for any other cosmetic surgery.

>>8636517
>"make a troop feel right at home!"
kek

calling himself a "troop" when he is american chair force

usa is such a fucking joke

>>8636517
>Why should troops like Logan here be thrown out?

Because they may not always have access to testosterone and without it they may become less effective as a soldier.
Also her vagina is probably a needless distraction in the shower.

Good.
I hope they impeach him now so Pence can kick out women and fags, then cut off welfare for all the photo op "veterans".
Only shitbirds like Faye who did their time as a man and then transitioned deserve a dime.

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>People actually think people like this are suitable for military service

>>8636575
Its so embarrassing that you have this saved.

>>8636517
1) Underlying skeletal structure is a lot weaker - he's going to be more prone to injury than cis men.

2) What happens if he's deployed somewhere that he can't get T?

3) If he hasn't had a hysto, and the above situation happens, he's gonna get his period and estrogen spikes, that's not gonna be good.

>>8636517

She isn't getting kicked out. All trans that are in now can stay in.

>>8636581
he's chair force

it doesn't matter

>>8636581
>In a worse case scenario he just becomes like the other cis female soldiers

Why is that so awful?

i know nothing about politics but doesn't this kind of make sense?

they don't allow bipolar people in the military either, right? transgenders have a mental illness in the form of gender disphoria, so it's kind of the same principal, the risk and the money spent treating it just isn't worth pulling those sorts of people in.

i mean it sucks that they can't join the military if they even wanted to but at the same time looking at this rationally and realistically i can totally understand the reasoning.

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>>8636581
1) Nice bro science. Not an issue. Variation in bone composition are overlapping and he's been on T long enough (over 2 years) for his body to be more than suitably masculinized. Also, cis men in the service are not all even near his level of fitness

2) Long acting T like neibido lasts 6-8 months. Implants can last up to 2 years

3) See 2. Or he gets a hysto.

What about Shane Ortega?

>>8636581
>Underlying skeletal structure is a lot weaker
I feel like bone density has a greater difference between races than it does sexes.

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>>8634819
The military doesnt need guys that are too busy dilating their vaginas.

The military doesnt need people with fucked hormones

The military doesnt need people commiting suicide bc of their trans problems

Why is this so complicated?

>>8636666
Quads of truth

>>8636293
>>8636338
What would a transbian want to do with the armed forces anyway? The rampant lesbosexuality aside, the women and the living conditions are some of the least feminine on the planet.

>>8636578
>Its so embarrassing that you have this saved.
embarrassing for you.

Why the shit does the government have to pay for something so ineffective and terrible as this monstrous cosmetic surgery? It's anti-cosmetic.

>>8636643
you should have thought of that before you voted for trump

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>>8636633

cis females in combat aren't that great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9zp6kyIcWo

>>8636633
>like the other cis female soldiers
Looks like you answered your own question there, m8.

>>8636643
I have found numerous studies that found FtM bone composition to compare favourably to cis women, but none that compared favourably to cis men. If you got the literature to the contrary, please do post it.

>>8636666
>people having a relatively reasonable discussion on the issue
>idiot anon comes in with the stupid cat guy cap
ffs

>>8634819
That it was a massive overreach from even what the house republicans wanted. They petitioned trump to take hrt and gender reassignment surgeries off the defense budget, he banned all trans servicepeople. It's like asking for a glass of wine and getting drowned in grape juice.

Not like it's fun to be trans in such an old boys club like the military, but some people inexplicably feel a duty to their country.

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>>8636788
>Not like it's fun to be trans in such an old boys club like the military, but some people inexplicably feel a duty to their country.
or they are poor and ugly for sexwork and wanted someone to pay for their peen2vag surgery for free

thousands of trannies signed up as soon as the ban was dropped. I doubt they are all rabid patriots.

>>8636758
You're the one making the claims and should show your sources, but here you go:
>
Results:
Before hormonal treatment, transsexual men had similar body composition and bone geometry as female controls. The transsexual men on long-term testosterone therapy, however, demonstrated a higher lean body mass and muscle mass and a greater grip strength as well as a lower body and subcutaneous fat mass and a larger waist and smaller hip circumference compared with female controls (all P < 0.001). We observed a larger radial cortical bone size (P < 0.001) and lower cortical volumetric bone mineral density at the radius and tibia (P < 0.05) in transsexual men on testosterone therapy.
Conclusions:
>Transsexual men on testosterone substitution therapy present with a different body composition with more muscle mass and strength and less fat mass as well as an altered bone geometry with larger bones compared with female controls.

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/7/2503/2834495/Bone-Mass-Bone-Geometry-and-Body-Composition-in

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Trannies are not allowed to die for Israel anymore!

>>8636814
>>8636788
>what are FtMs

>>8636814
>or too dumb and poor to get into a good college do they want to get a scholarship for free. Thousands of idiots signed up when the G.I bill was introduced, I doubt they're all rabid patriots.

You're signing a contract to work a dangerous and pretty shitty job. Of course there are people with reasons other than patriotism.

>>8636822
>what are FtMs
unless every FTM in the country signed up for service, it doesn't account for the numbers.

>>8636822
>Because the cismen in the military are never transphobic towards ftms!

>>8636830
>sex change surgery
>compared to college education
lol. This is why no one has any understanding or sympathy for your points of view, tranny.

>>8635514
>>8636545
This.

>>8636837
>ability to live a comfortable life
>ability to live a comfortable life

You a dumb motherfucker, cis scum

>>8636822
Failed women who can't fight.

>>8636815
cue shower rapes

>>8636847
>someone becomes an engineer and starts a company due to a college education provided from his service to the US military
>some tranny gets to squeeze her hairy tits in front of a mirror and loudly urinate in public women's restrooms with her neovagina
Gee, i wonder which one benefits society more.

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>>8636867
>>8636848
>implying

>>8636873
yfw they are the same person

>>8636847
>ability to live a comfortable life
pay for it yourself. what's the problem? why are trannys "special"?

>>8636884
>bodybuilders = warriors
I'd probably break that bitch in half.

>>8634819
Now I know how to dodge the draft.
Also, trannies B T F O yet again.

>>8636896
I legit don't understand this shit. There's tons of ugly, really ugly, suicidally ugly people who would want a costly plastic surgery on their face, but tough shit, they have to pay out of their own pocket. But if they say "I want to be a girl" then suddenly it's supposed to be covered?

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>>8636895
>yfw they are the same person
then you're missing the point. He should get a college degree as a gift for his service, earn his own money and become successful and then do whatever perverted shit he wants.

THAT is America.

What is this shit about joining the military and growing your tits in a combat zone?

>>8636909
>But if they say "I want to be a girl" then suddenly it's supposed to be covered?
I don't get it either. It's the biggest scam ever, I can't believe it's become so mainstream.

>>8634839
pollack here. you need to get over yourself

honestly we think you should finish your godamn fucking transition before signing up to fight for semi-ethical wars.

>>8636906
There hasn't been a draft in the US in many years

>/"lgbt"/
>most people are homophobic jerks
>republican circle jerk and everybody blames the evil liburals
I'm so tired of this website desu.

>>8636938
Give it time.

>>8636776
Youre obviously triggered by flawless logic.

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>>8636945
How did you even settle into 4chan of all places to begin with? Besides the "republican circle jerk," which no one does, this place has always been indiscriminate in its shitposting. This is nothing new.

This is a victory for the trans community, now when the US goes to war with Russia and the draft comes back I can just stay home and not have to worry about that

>be ftm
>will never be able to have a barrack orgy with a bunch of muscular conservative soldiers when they're turned situationally gay by the lack of women

Just sad.

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>>8634819
>tfw Sergeant-Senpai will never notice you.

>>8636814
its mostly for money but i knew one who was damn hot, too bad she was in a marriage with a FTM. feels bad

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>>8636193
>you want more dead cis men

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>>8636815
I asked for literature comparing FtMs to MALE controls, you illiterate. I've already seen what you're citing.

>>8636957
>flawless logic

>no more free surgery

Seems like a good deal to me.

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Guess I'm excused from the draft, lol.

>>8636945

I cant be gay and also right wing? Really accepting of intellectual diversity.

You thought every gay guy is some coastal liberal? Lmao

>>8638503
Not that poster, but who the fuck said that?

>>8637145
that is sad, why you got to ruin my night?

also, to men pussy is pussy and you already know that.

>>8638503
>gay and also right wing

Why would you vote for policies that make your life worse?
You're either ignorant or trolling.

>>8638533
Not him but Im fairly fiscally conservative. That doesnt mean Im voting Republican though.

>>8638533

I'm young, white, I don't live in a city, I'm smart... what the hell do I have to get from democrats?

>>8634819

Makes sense to me.

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>>8638548
>Im fairly fiscally conservative

You're just cheap and you like to sleep around

>>8638533
no op but
>vote democrat
>taxed to death
>told i'm racist for being white
>i'm a fucking white female
>get thrown off a roof top by a pack of rabid mudslimes
>support niggers
>can't shoot guns
>can't call people faggots
>told to behave and watch my tone
>CHECK UR WHITE PRIVILEGE
>judged because i drive a dodge 1500
>MUH RUSSIA BOOGY WOOGY MAN

>vote republican
>told i'm going to burn in hell
>get told i'm a man not a women
>christians point at me and call me satan
>can't join the welfare brigade and shot up mudslimes
>can shoot guns
>can call people faggots
>can drive my dodge 1500 and not feel like i'm being judged
>i can actually keep my wealth passed down from my family

eh both suck more cock than i do but right now in #CURRENTYEAR the republicans are lesser than the two evils. trust me as i say, I WOULD HAVE NEVER HAVE THOUGHT I WOULD SAY THAT just two years ago.

i can 100% understand not wanting to fund the transitions. i won't get all pissy over that. but i really don't like being banned from being able to join, if i did want to join (i don't), but outside of this, i honestly don't think trump will do anything else.

i was reading today that this might have been done because of the house budget package. apparently there was a provision in the house budget to fund the transitions in the military, that moderate republicans wanted, but many of the harder right republicans didn't want that, and trump wanted more funding for the great wall of america. so trump banning it out right means the house no longer needs to budget for it.

if thats the reason i could sorta live with it. but if any more fucked up shit happens ill probably stop supporting. probably just go libertarian. unless the democrats become sane again.

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>>8638563
>I'm young, white, I don't live in a city,
Inbred redneck detected

>>8635279
Goddamn, I'm not even trans, but you scream of 16 year old edgy kid.

>>8636566

>her vagina

excuse me, men can have pussies

>>8638580
>get thrown off a roof top by a pack of rabid mudslimes
things that actually happened

>>8638578
I've never fucked a guy though, only handjobs.

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>>8638609
yeah, oops, Muslims just shoot gays to death in America.

They do the fancy "off the roof" thing in Syria.

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>>8638626
false flag is false

>>8638637
There are a lot of witnesses to that attack.

Also, what purpose would it even serve as a false flag?

>>8638664
>being this naive

educate yourself, i'm not your mom

This legit makes me pretty angry, not only out of the principle of it but now if I want the military as an option to fall back on if college doesn't work out, then that means I can't transition either.
I swear to god these fucking

>>8634819
B-BUT HOW WILL MEN IN THE ARMY GET THEIR SEXUAL TENSIONS RELEASED IF THERES NO DESIGNATED TRANNY!?!?!

>>8638715
>I want the military as an option to fall back on if college doesn't work out

You should have thought of that before you voted for Trump

>>8638730
no one's stopping someone from wearing the wig and being the girl for the night.

traditionally, everyone took turns. Trannies came along and tried to make a whole "thing".

>>8638732
Man fuck that, I wouldn't trust any republican that isn't the most moderate RINO with LGBT issues, and none of those exists in the south anymore.

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>>8638730
Bacha Bazi obviously

>>8635514
The military spends about five times as much on Viagra as it does on everything related to transitions.

This is not a monetary issue.

>>8638786
If non-whites aren't human, why do you have sex with them so much?

>>8634819
I probably wouldn't have joined the military anyway, but I always had it as an OPTION that I could take if all else didn't work.

Now I have no safety net, and I haven't been able to stop crying for almost 24 hours straight(Haven't been able to sleep either). He's broke me with this decision and I hate him for it.

>>8635662
It's the latter. Later today, Sessions announced that the entire LGBT banner won't be covered under Title VII.

>>8636566
>Also her vagina is probably a needless distraction in the shower.

You could say the same thing about any man with abnormal genitals. Whether it's a vagina, an extremely large or small penis, two dicks, an uncircumcised penis (this is the US military), etc.

It's just a financial thing, he doesn't want the defense budget which is already strapped to the max by military welfare queens to be drained to fund trans shit. Trans medical stuff is pretty expensive. He needs to boot a lot of other subcategories that are siphoning off military healthcare and probably wishes that he could but trans are a low-hanging fruit. No legitimate mtf would join the military anyway. Tired of all these obnoxious, dumb-as-rocks trenders making a scene about literally everything. Quit hijacking my mental illness you SJW retards

The military already bans people for all kinds of ludicrous shit such as ever having wet the bed past the age of 13. This is pretty damn understandable in comparison, considering you can't make others feel secure if you're not even secure about your own body.

>>8634829
More like /t/ is /glb/ doesn't give a shit

>>8634855
But one of the greatest military units as gay af

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>Draft becomes instated for whatever the fuck reason
>Draft notice comes in the mail
>Go down to the recruitment center, clenching the draft notice in my hand angrily
>"Did you just assume my gender, shitlord?"
>Don't have to die for Israel anymore

>>8640432
>yfw you'd be rejected for having bad eyes, being too short, having a history of mental illness and being pigeon toed

>>8634819
Its basically reasonable. at after pride marches we always give them the wrong address for the after march party cos no one wants them there cos they are gross, there are good reasons they kill themselves mainly everyone thinks they are horrible

>Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory

this guy takes the abuse of language to a whole new level

it's time to quote bill hicks again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YplZIZt9Ptc

>>8640904
It's not the same. You don't have to spend for surgery and hormones on gays.

>>8640904
Gays aren't the same as Trans degenerates, try again

I'm actually pretty happy about this. I have a legit reason to dodge a future draft now. The draft should be banned.

>>8640931
Hormones cost like $30 a month

>>8641028
Then why can't you afford it yourself?

>>8641513
Who said they couldn't? That's not how health benefits work.

>>8642425
It literally is.

>>8642445
Expand.

>>8642478
You don't get welfare you can afford yourself.

>>8642719
How do you think tricare works?

>>8641028
Where? In Canada it's way more expensive it makes me mangry.
>$60 Estrace (4mg)
>$12 Spiro (100mg)
>$70 Progesterone (100mg)

Do you recommend any cheap pharmacies if you are Canadia?

>>8643001
That's $142 per month btw

>>8642738
I don't even know that word.

>>8643001
I thought Canadian healthcare paid for your dosage?

>>8634825
Kill yourself, in the closet faggot.

So was this passed legitimately through the House and Senate or is this just Trump talking shit on Twitter like he usually does? This clearly won't last since the next Democratic president and congress would just overturn it. But what I am wondering is what will happen to those in the military right now who happen to be transgender and haven't told anybody? LOL He thinks this is the solution to the spending crisis? How about we just cut Medicare, Social Security, and the Military spending? Especially the third one. Those are the three things we keep going into debt over.

>>8643016
It doesn't. You need health insurance from work, school, or parents for that, and benefits aren't guaranteed from any of those things

>>8643015
That doesn't surprise me.

>>8643030
How about we cut literally all state expenditure?

>>8643039
But how do you not have insurance from one of those things, anon? Fuck, I had health insurance working in a coffee shop (no, not Starbucks).

>>8643030
>So was this passed legitimately through the House and Senate or is this just Trump talking shit on Twitter like he usually does?

This is not a law. But Trump is commander of the executive branch. This is well within his power. But he actually hasn't issued orders to the chain of command to act yet. Every unilateral act by Obama, trump can undo.

>This clearly won't last since the next Democratic president and congress would just overturn it.
Correct. Policies change all the time. 90 percent of Americans will never be eligible for the military in the first place.

>But what I am wondering is what will happen to those in the military right now who happen to be transgender and haven't told anybody?
We actually don't know. Probably disqualified from certain MOSes. Maybe given medical discharges. Maybe no change at all.

This is much more likely to affect intake. Eg, people with a GID diagonosis or have ever taken hormones for gender issues are disqualified from joining.

>>8643147
>Every unilateral act by Obama, trump can undo.
But he's cuck enough not to.

>>8643094
I've been working at a 44h/week job for 15 months that pays just above minimum wage without ANY benefits. They were supposed to hire me on 9 months ago but they feel it's too much effort so I still temp for them.
/rant /firstworldproblems

>>8643249
It was my first job though so I was naive. Never going back after college.

>>8643016
lol no they only give free healthcare to people that intentionally scam the system here.
Unless you can find a way to convince the government you're a refugee, disabled, extremely extremely poor (like even below minimum wage), you don't get much for free. You pay for hospital costs, ambulances, prescription drugs, etc. I think the only thing that is free is blood tests and visiting a GP.

You basically have to have everything go wrong in your life and manage to convince the government it wasn't your fault to get anything else for free. I only make around $35,000CAD a year which is extremely low in Canada due to our inflated living costs, and I'm not qualified for anything special.
I am quite certain the only way to get full free healthcare here is through various scams and whatnot.

>>8634819
>banning Transgender people
That's not what's happening.

Leave it to trannies to throw a shitfit about not being allowed to die.

>>8634855
I care about nothing more than protecting this country. I have trained and prepared for years to be the best soldier I can. Fuck you

>>8635643
you can still be drafted as far as I know, all regulations are thrown out in the case of the draft

I think it's a good thing. They were unlucky enough to be born as the wrong sex and I don't want unlucky people in our military.

im sitting at work right now. everyone has agreed here that it was an empty gesture. talked to the aclu the day of, though.