Conservative gays

>>8622677
You're too hung up on tradition. It's valuable, yes, but like everything else it should be subject to the trial of public thinking all ideas should go through to find the optimal ones and allow everybody to select the ones that work best for them. Ditto for state functions.

>>8622677
What's traditional conservative about you ?

>>8622677
You're a masochist.

>>8622727
Super religious, vote republican, hate fag parades

>>8622728
The fuck is that?

>>8622677
You hate yourself.
Get a life.

>>8622765
>The fuck is that?
http://lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=masochist

>>8622766
I do actually hate myself. HAHA classic anon

>>8622938
LGBT issues are extremely important to me. That's why I would never vote for a party that wants to import the Middle East.

>>8622677
Are you of a wealthy family? if so you might just be thinking more financially.
Tell us more about yourself, you seem interesting

>>8622950
Actually wealthy people are more likely to vote left-wing. The 10 most well off counties in the US all backed Obama.

>>8622972
true, but I meant more like old money.
having had millionaire friends why they vote left is different than just financial reason, although access to CTEP qualified individuals makes that pointless anyway.

>>8622977
>implying any of those things are good at the federal level

>>8622950

I'm a gay conservative (not OP) and without trying to speak for him, I think that the nation and it's people should be considered ahead of individual rights, and that conservatism is the best path to protect a society of enlightenment and knowledge from those who wish to destroy it (you know what I mean, if you don't it's trash level immigration)

I'm not wealthy and voted for the big T as I thought he'd get stuff done, and to be honest I' not worried about 'muh rights' because they aren't going to be taken away, let's face it. I live in a mild red state, own guns to defend myself and get on with my neighbours, some of whom don't like/'agree' with me being a gay man, but we can do business and be polite

The assumption that gays must all be a certain way politically just comes from atomised cityfags who seem to think every bit of land that's further than 10 miles from a coast is Deliverance or something, I try not to stereotype others but I feel there is a big disconnect, shown by how many counties Trump won vs Hillary.

Maybe it was my upbringing but the jobs round here really have gone to China, immigrants really are undercutting local workers in some of the remaining jobs and gay marriage is quite far down the list of concerns for a small town with increasing drug problems, racial tension and shrinking financial resources.

Remember the 'American Carnage' speech? To me, it seems like it was 'based on a true story' of many small towns across the USA.

>>8622944

^OMG SO MUCH THIS YAS KWEEEEEN^

>>8623014
Gay marriage is incomparable to the right to a fair trial or freedom of speech.

That's why the latter were written into the Constitution centuries ago and the former couldn't even get through Congress.

Iktf

>>8622677
Enjoy being alone forever because faggots are promiscuous, and incapable of monogamy.

Thanks liberals!

>>8622950
Family is upper middle class. American. North east. Irish, so catholic. I do think some of trumps ideas are good (economically), but I'm more independent

>>8623101
>Thanks liberals!
It's not liberals fault that gay men are like that. Take responsibility for your intrinsic degenerate nature.

At least you're asking the question. It'd be really weird if you weren't even aware of it being silly.

>>8622677
>traditional conservative
So you are just a racist? Yeah, quite a lot of those around here sadly.

>>8623201
What's silly is voting for a Muslim neighbor and calling yourself pro-LGBT.

>>8623219
Ikr sick of racists thinking it's ok to be homophobic as long as your skin is brown.

This is me.
Bi, crossdresser/aspiring drag queen, own and carry a Glock every day, drive a truck, hunt. Fuck the norm.

>>8623275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGLmiWfoJx8

>>8623150
North east and practicing catholic that has to be a joke, the church where I was baptized is now a condo.
Economically I think Trump is nuts, at least in terms of aggregate economy. TPP was fantastic for cementing America's position in east Asia and excluding Chinese intrusion. Only good thing about him is he's harsh on immigration. But looking at LA I think it's already lost.
>>8623038
You sound sort of alt light.
The stereotype seems true in most cases. can't say you are wrong about the rural and suburban economy. I doubt Trump can do anything about that though, you can't undercut near slave labour with no eco regulations.

>>8623290
Also forgot that I dip and chew tobacco. Really a walking contradiction.

>>8622677
>The fuck is wrong with me?
...nothing?

It's super fucking common for (especially non-flamer) gay men to be conservative besides on the gay issue, not to mention that having no sexual interest in screeching fucking harridans shows women's rights as the horrible scam they are. I think there's just some weird agreement/conspiracy not to talk about it though, for some reason.

>>8623404
>TPP was fantastic for cementing America's position in east Asia and excluding Chinese intrusion.
t. statist

>>8622977
The Supreme Court's gay marriage decision was catastrophic and a typical sign of what's really going to hell in this country on a deep level. It's *ridiculous* to claim the Constitution enshrines gay marriage, we all know that wasn't at all intended by it at any time. When decisions like that are made it drives a wedge between the states who know what they fucking agreed to and the other states who want to lord it over them, pushing the US toward civil war or a split. I'm against that shit not because I'm against gay marriage but because I'm in favor of not shitting all over peace and mutual respect if not unity. The prog horseshit from the left is solely responsible for the crazed hyperpartisanship of the last few decades.

What's even the point of making end runs around Congress to force the inhabitants of states you'll never visit to obey your ideals instead of their own? It makes no fucking sense to me, esepcailly since these are the same people who react in horror at the idea of e.g. invading Bangladesh and making the people there obey American norms and adopt US culture.

At this point I'm not even a conservative because I want to be but because I feel I have to be.

>>8623686
>It's *ridiculous* to claim the Constitution enshrines gay marriage, we all know that wasn't at all intended by it at any time.
Originalism is dead. The Supreme Court is a second legislature.

>pushing the US toward civil war or a split.
This issue has already been ruled on. The precedent is the guy with the arms makes the decision and nowadays the states could no more secede than a county could wage war against its state.

>What's even the point of making end runs around Congress to force the inhabitants of states you'll never visit to obey your ideals instead of their own?
Elitism. They know better than us. Who are We the People to think we know better than the Establishment?

>>8622677
>The fuck is wrong with me?

Nothing wrong with not wanting to be thrown off the roof of the nearest building by Mohammed and Abdullah...
Self preservation is the only way OP....

>>8622677
Nothing. Roman conservatism is best conservatism.

>>8623744
Devil's advocate: originalism is inherently limiting. The Constitution wasn't written for the 21st century, and the interpretation of what laws are just changes over time

>>8623639
If china becomes the global hegemon it aspires to be with the one belt one road imitative or string of pearls we can kiss our western freedom goodbye. All it did was promote trade between our countries, granted I would have excluded Indonesia.

>>8623792
There is an amendment process for just that purpose.

The job of changing laws is the legislature's (and partially the president's through vetos and also the states' in the case of constitutional amendments). The courts' job is the apply the law, not amend it.

Congress, the president and the states are all elected. The courts aren't. Justices' opinions aren't accountable to the public through the ballot the way the people's who write laws are.

If the courts make a decision the elected arms of the government haven't, that is democracy being subverted by unelected elites.

>>8623816
Thanks, exactly this, said it better than I could've.

>>8622944
>wants to import the Middle East.
Just another pawn in the great game, looks like the good guys will lose again at this rate. The Jews killed our allies and cucked them to oblivion, now they come to finish us off, with the whole world behind them in their empire, manipulating hordes of mindless drones, people who they've conquered not through war, but years of careful planning and manipulation, backstabbing lying and cheating. Stereotypes exist for a reason, and when the game is done you'll realise why, just as our allies did, 70 years ago.

>>8623825
:D

We should keep in contact I think, I need a friend to talk about constitutional things with.

It's your brain.

>>8623853
Nonshit it's my brain. Is there a brain washing to fix it? Or a pill? I don't want to feel this

>>8622677
Right wing gays are the best gays. Especially right wing shemales. Why would u want to be associated with leftists feminists who support Islam and last time I checked Muslims hate gays. Also Trump hasn't even tried to take away gay righta whatsoever. Idk why ppl think he's homophobic

>>8623876
It's the truth anon. Left wingers are retarded. Majority of conservatives don't even hate gays. Its just a lie this isn't the 50s anymore

>>8623900
We may not hate you but we don't exactly like you or support gay marriage or "bake the cake" scenarios.

>>8624006
>bake the cake
What kind of fag got thinks that behAvion was alright in any way?
t. Fag

>>8624006
>"bake the cake"
It was a clear violation of free market. Private business has a right to refuse producing a product owners are morally opposed to.

>>8624021
Behavior*. Sorry for mobilefagging autocorrect.

>>8622677
Nothing is wrong with you. I'm an ex-leftist - trust me, the left is seriously deranged/damaged at this point, and I was batshit crazy the entire time I was on the left.

When I finally started to wake up (mostly because I was DEEP into the SJW shit for years and really saw the crazy core of it and how much their ideas were unworkable), I discovered that even SLIGHTLY questioning the ideas of people around me resulted in them going off the deep end. I realized that if THEY were that crazy, and these were the people I'd surrounded myself with all my life, something was fucking wrong with me. I started getting out at that point, and cut all ties behind me so they couldn't dox me and ruin my fucking life.

Lots of traditional ideas have a lot of value I've learned to appreciate. But I was also raised with an engineer father, so I apply the scientific method to everything. Sometimes that is "pro-LGBT" (by 2017 standard) and sometimes it's not. The right as a whole is pretty anti-gay and anti-trans; but I have some faith that the West will work out something so long as we REMAIN fundamentally Western.

>>8622944
Exactly.

>>8622677
HAHAHAHAHAHAA

>>8622677
Become a girl and then you can be in a traditional marriage.

>>8624142
Good suggestion. Why did nobody say this earlier? /tttt/ is losing its touch.

>tfw tranny in boymode forever
>only into guys and have masc bf of 2 years
>tfw trad af
>anti-semitic, racist, homophobic, islamophobic bigot
>non degenerate trannies, femboys, butch grills, and actual trutrans ftms are ok though as long as they maintain a feminine/masculine dichotomy in their monogamous relationships and their endgame is a healthy nuclear family
i just want fags to stop being gross fags

>>8624163
Do you think women should have the right to vote?

>>8622765
how old are you? you sound 13

>>8624163
Living the dream. God, I wish I had that.

t. unironically converted nat soc tranny in forever boymode

>>8624176
Not her but I'm a tranny who doesn't.

>>8624176
not really.
i think women should excel at what we see as feminine and men should excel at what we see as masculine. both equal but different.
if someone identifies as the opposite sex or excels at what the opposite sex is expected to do in society then they should be honorary men or women i.e. nordic shield maidens or eromenos of ancient greece.

>>8624176
Not them, but I think it's crazy that niggers were given the right to vote, and jews were allowed into this country before white women could vote. Someone absolutely dropped the ball on that shit.

captcha: black helicopter

>>8624192
So that would include trans women, right?

I'm bisexual and pretty conservative, at least socially (I guess thats what you mean by traditional). Nothing wrong with it at all, desu I think most social liberalism is kinda shallow and sad.

>>8624190
>le natsoc is conservative meme
STOP THIS

>>8624204
I flip flop on this but mostly I think yes.

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>>8624218
>Not being a national socialist and liking hitler
Just stop there buddy

I'm so conservative I think voting is bullshit in general bring back monarchy or whatever.

>>8624218
>preserving your Volk isn't conservative
>looking out for the interests of your Volk isn't conservative
>preserving the history of your Volk isn't conservative
>Desiring the best to breed more than the worst isn't conservative
>caring for preservation of nature and animals isn't conservative

Kosher conservatism is shit. All you fucks care about is shekels with your muh free market, muh tax cuts, and fucking wars for the Jews. You're all basically Jews at heart. Shameful.

>>8624163
>as long as they maintain a feminine/masculine dichotomy in their monogamous relationships and their endgame is a healthy nuclear family
First, basically none of those options lead to a "health nuclear family." Why do you want us to raise kids? Children should have a mom and dad, not a "feminine" parent and a "masculine" parent. The real thing.

Also, what's wrong with a gay couple who don't have this dynamic but are outwardly just friends? Like, I don't wanna be walking down the sidewalk holding hands and kissing and shit, I find that obnoxious behaviour. My ideal relationship is close friends taking a while to catch on.

>>8624176
Not that poster either; but I'm an FtM and only cis men should vote. The more experience I have with women, the more convinced I am that they are not really capable of making rational decisions - they vote entirely in their own interests a lot of the time (including just plain voting for who they think is hot!). The ones that don't are generally also the ones that marry and would vote the same as their husbands, so their vote is kinda redundant.

A man's vote shouldn't be for himself alone, it should be on behalf of his family and what he thinks is best for the nation. When voting works this way, politicians necessarily have to address issues that affect families (and therefore, the future). When every individual person has a vote instead, politicians can pander to their IMMEDIATE interests.

Advanced societies are always patriarchal for a reason.

>>8624236
I don't like any leftists.

>>8624245
>he transitioned because of /pol/-brand misogyny
Tsk.

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>>8624248
>muh self-interest

>>8624248
>pretending NatSoc is "leftist" because it has "socialism" in the name
Deep as a rain puddle, mate.

>>8624245
>tfw cis husband to discuss his vote for our household with me and accept my opinions but still make his own decision knowing I'll accept whatever it is because that's my place

>>8624252
I transitioned young and I was raised by liberals, so I was uncritically liberal when I started. My politics have literally nothing to do with my having a brain disorder, dolt.

>>8624248
Hitler and the Germans weren't leftists. People have this dumb idea of "oh national socialism is just socialism, thus he's a socialist lefty" meme is dumb.

Heil hitler and gas the jews

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>>8624248
>>8624262
Forgot pic

>>8624262
Can't gas anyone with wooden doors, m8. You can delouse them though to prevent typhus.

>>8624242
Is it traditiotnal? If yes, it is conservative. If no, it is not conservative.

>>8624254
>>8624262
>pretending statism and collectivism aren't inherently leftist
This is what happens to people who think reading is a plot by Jewish intellectuals.

>>8624190
A natsoc shemale gf is the best

>>8623404
>>8623639
Well, TPP was great for increasing US influence in East Asia, but would have seriously fucked over Americans particularly in service industry jobs. These would have been moved overseas, like NAFTA, except with the whole world instead of mexico, and with service jobs instead of industrial jobs

>>8624273
This. Conservatives care about family and culture, not race

>>8624273
You know ethnonationalism is collectivist, right?

>>8624245
So does this mean cis men shouldn't be able to vote until they've started a family?

>>8624278
>what is the free market

>>8624279
"Race" is a genetic extension of your family and drives the expression of your culture. It's something every "conservative" has cared about for all of human history in some form or another. You're retarded, mate.

>>8624294
I've dithered over that...but yeah, I think it's probably best to restrict it to married men. Might help lower divorce rates and encourage people to marry younger.

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>>8624279
Democracy is going to be a bitch when whites are a minority. Oh, but everyone is just like us, so surely YOU won't need to worry.

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>>8624279>>8624273

Conservatives are just as much of cucks as leftists. Of course they don't care about race.
>liberals
We want no walls and want the Browning of America
>conservatives
Oh we don't mind becoming a minority just as long as all the immigranrs come here legally.
they support israel and are brainwashed. They had no problem attacking assad when there was no proofjust like they fell for the whole Iraq and weapons of mass destruction bullshit. They don't know that all these wars in the middle east are to benefit israel. But conservatives will gladly support israel cause "muh greatest ally" and how they're so against islam

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>>8624304
Who cares about race, right (((fellow whites)))?

>>8624304
I laughed at that pit. But no in my country she wouldn't be a single mom with twenty mixed kids, she's be happily married to her black husband with 2.5 mixed kids.

>>8624299
Race represents a community. In reality though, other races is simply a signal that they come from a different family and culture, and are hence incompatible. Different methodology to the same conclusion.

>>8622977
Trump has done ZERO efforts on trying to repeal gay rights. Please link me one REAL article where Trump has made a move on taking away gay marriage and gay voting rights. Oh wait News flash you can't

>>8624307
>a beautiful beige family and we can be equal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC0QtO7LnZ0

>>8622766
FUCK off retard.

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>>8624307
>being ok with mixed kids as long as they're conservative
Pathetic

>>8624299
>tfw lesbian but have to marry a man while young to make sure he gets a vote and slowly learn to love him despite attraction to girls

>>8624328
You can still have your true love be your neighbor or something, and while your husbands are at work, you'll have all day to yourselves.

>>8624245
raising children is important, anon. if we don't raise white children our race will die out. promoting homosexuality and not allowing gays to have children is a jewish trick.

also the soul of a woman can be found in the body of a man and vice versa. as long as the man or woman is wholly of the opposite sex spiritually they are not a failure or a poor replacement. a feminine male as a mother figure and a masculine woman as a father figure is incredibly trad and has been in many different ancient societies and a part of many important cultures over time. Ulrichs was right. Evola knew this. And anything going against this is just Chistian bullshit and therefore a jewish trick.

traps aren't gay.

>>8624324
Just talk to more minorities. My best friend in elementary school was hispanic, you just need to meet more people. Almost everybody is a good person. No reason to hate people because they are different. Otherwise that happens to you too. Hold that opinion when you want to be deported for being gay.

>>8624347
>Almost everybody is a good person.
Lolno, a majority unironically voted for Hilary. The stats are not on your side.

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>>8623275
>Bi, crossdresser/aspiring drag queen

Are you single? Teach me how to shoot and survive innawoods

>>8624334
>promoting polyamory or adultery

That doesn't sound very conservative, anon

>>8624334
>tfw every day visit hubby's brother/best friend to see his wife or she comes to me, then make out with her, then make dinner with her for the husbands for a communal dinner for the four of us, then they get to watch us touch each other us in front of them before each of them drags his respective woman off to the bedroom

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>>8624347
This is the fucking reality conservacuck. You are selling out your future. There will be no conservatism. Your idea of muh traditionalist Asians and Latinos is bullshit. It's whites or nothing.

>>8624367
>implying it's adultery when it's just two girls having fun and staying obedient to their husbands

>>8624370
>that * comment at the bottom
Hits you hard.

>>8624382
And people still think this is a game.

>>8623101
Look we are sorry you got cheated on but would you please not blame an entire political party? Thanks

>>8624278
it would have expanded american control of intellectual property right protection, and had provisions to protect certain industries. It would have killed the last bit of our lower manufacturing, but ownership of corporations in those high growth market at least would have expanded our tax base. But yeah it was a neoliberal techno feudalists dream, the benefits would mostly accrue at the top

>>8624303
>conservative
>democracy
>not at least patriarchal traditionalist

>>8624218
This, natsoc is just another form of early-20th-century progressivism. Never forget that eugenics was pushed by prog leftists originally, and right up until the war.

>>8622677
> tfw m2f on hormones
> tfw racist, islamophobic, anti-feminist, hates cis women in general
> tfw no traditional boyfriend to make my husband

>>8624704
>anti-feminist, hates cis women in general
I'm glad trannies like you exist.

>>8624704
If you believe you are a woman despite being a man you are not "traditional". If you date a man, he is gay. Enough of this madness.

>>8624342
We're collectively 3% of the population at best; WE don't need to raise white children. Cishets need to raise white children. I repeat, children need both mothers and fathers. I don't believe either sex can be replaced. Children raised without fathers in particular have awful outcomes (promiscuity, crime, addictions, etc.).

>>8624347
Jesus, kys. All you can come up with is the "you haven't met enough minoooritiiiies!" meme? Newsflash idiot, middle-class whites in majority-white states are blue voters.

I was leftist before I was right, and most of my """""friends""""" were non-white; although really, none of our friendships were based on any common interests besides berating whites. I was there to be their punching bag. The numbers of non-whites on this planet (especially non-Asian ones) who don't viscerally despise you for being white is very low; and most of THOSE people ARE RIGHT-WING because they can think for themselves.

>Almost everybody is a good person.
You're quite literally retarded. This is the kind of shit tiny children unironically believe. Hey kid, here's the real world for you: some people are born shitty. Some people are born stupid. Some are violent as fuck. Some have virtually no empathy. You're like all the liberals I know - people who mentally live inside Marvel movies and Harry Potter. Singing Disney songs won't bring out everyone's inner goodness, and Superman isn't coming to save us.

Grow up.

>>8624451
Nah, fuck off with your "at least we're not trannies, maybe /pol/ won't gas us" shit.

>>8624883
Not that poster; but it depends on how you define "traditional." Most peoples have had a social role for gender-variant people at some point. In many cases, for a male person to dress and live as a woman was more acceptable than homosexuality.

>If you date a man, he is gay.
Wroooooong.

https://www.scholars.northwestern.edu/en/publications/who-are-gynandromorphophilic-men-characterizing-men-with-sexual-i

>>8624883
Bitch, are you calling great Lucius Cornelius Sulla not traditional? Everyone knows that trannies are a patrician taste.

>>8624245
http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

>need a mom and a dad specifically to be healthy!
incorrect.

>>8624342
You're utterly insance.

>>8625372
insane*

>>8622944
yeah, but I wouldnt want to vote for a party that funds saudi's either though so you cant really vote for either

>tfw bi MtF
the only things in politics that I care about are gun rights, drugs, and LGBT rights

>>8624666
>falling for the eugenics is bad meme
It's literally the Jews who have been pushing the anti-eugenics angle. They want you dumb, They want you sick, and they want you controllable.

http://www.eugenics.net/
https://www.counter-currents.com/2014/07/against-good-breeding/

Bisexual cis woman

-Pro-life (maybe my #1 thing)
-For helping the poor within reason (believe in social programs)
-For helping the environment
-Didn't have sex til I got married
-Now I'm a housewife

Pretty much get bashed from conservative and liberal alike. Thats how it is to be a centrist.

>>8625774
>mfw pro-choice conservative so I disagree with you twice over

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>>8625777

>choicer

Gross fuck off please

>>8625786
Why even care?

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>>8625809

Same reason I would care if someone murdered you. There is no such thing as a just society which kills children.

>>8625813
Eagles are an endangered species and a valuable part of our ecosystem and national heritage.

A baby fetus, unlike a real human being, isn't a part of society. It's just a piece of a woman's body.

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>>8625822

Oh so I guess humans aren't valuable? You aren't valuable? Fuck off.

>isn't a part of society
That logic makes it okay to kill any child, any retiree, any NEET like yourself.

> It's just a piece of a woman's body.
lol bullshit. A child has their own body inside of the woman's body, there's a huge difference. Good job trying to justify murder though.

>>8625835
>You aren't valuable? Fuck off.
I am because I'm an actual born human and part of society, not just a tumor on somebody else's body.

>That logic makes it okay to kill any child, any retiree, any NEET like yourself.
No it doesn't. All the above are parts of society. Even women are.

>A child has their own body inside of the woman's body, there's a huge difference.
It's not their own body until it can fuck off her and leave her alone. Until then it's just an appendage or an organ for her to do what she wants with.

>>8622938
You're confusing conservatism with the republican party. Actual conservative values are absolutely compatible with being homosexual, especially being fiscally/economically conservative (aka not wanting to give all my money to people who don't work, shit like that).

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>>8625926


>No it doesn't. All the above are parts of society. Even women are.
A child outside of the womb is as much a part of society as a child inside the womb.

>It's not their own body until it can fuck off her and leave her alone.
That's not what "being their own body" means. Being dependent does NOT mean "you are part of someones body" nor doe sit justify murder.

Fuck off

>>8625813
Dude, do you know how many more negroes we would have in this country without abortion? At least 20 million more. Abortion has saved our ass. We need more of it.

>>8625958
>A child outside of the womb is as much a part of society as a child inside the womb.
That's untrue and evil, justifying killing children.

>Being dependent does NOT mean "you are part of someones body" nor doe sit justify murder.
[citation needed] on both wild claims.

>>8626036
She's a woman, she doesn't care.

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>>8626036
By your logic its okay to kill adults in the name of racism too. Oh wait but adults can fight back. So choicers need to target babies.

>>8626062

>That's untrue and evil, justifying killing children.
Yep, thats choicerism for you. Good thing choicers can go fuck up and take their retard logic with them.

>[citation needed] on both wild claims.
See image >>8625835. Being inside a body does not magically make you part of the body, and since the first part of your statement ("babies are magically part of their moms") falls apart "therefore its okay to murder them" falls apart too.

Life is an inalienable right.

>>8626118
"If you are against gay marriage, don't get gay married."

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>>8626121

>"If you are against gay marriage, don't get gay married."

Yeah gay marriage is just like murdering people good job.

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For many years I was part of a Catholic conservative group that fought against gay marriage. I'm sure that the majority of them were faggots as well

>>8626118
"If you are against women voting, don't vote if you're a woman."

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>>8626313
>>8626150

Yeah women voting is just like murdering people!!! G O O D J O B

>>8626359
Name one difference.

>>8626363

Name one similarity

>>8626367
If you don't like it, you shouldn't do it.

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>>8626370

That's not a similarity.

>>8625926
>It's not their own body until it can fuck off her and leave her alone. Until then it's just an appendage or an organ
I have to point out that is scientifically false.

From the moment the sex organ of the male (spermatozoa) fertilizes the female's sex organ (egg), the resulting organism is technically a *separate* organism from the mother, with its own incredibly tiny body, heartbeat, unique DNA pattern...

With all that being said, I am pro-choice. Although it's true that the unborn baby is undeniably, scientifically a human being and it is silly to argue that point. The unborn baby is still not legally a person until being born. This really doesn't make any sense from the scientific point of view, and that bothers me a little, but it is a necessary evil for society. There is no way to enforce a law to prevent lower-class women from aborting babies, and often they have no other practical choice anyway.

>>8626377
The similarity is that they're both wrong but people pretend they're nothing to do with everyone else and are a matter of personal freedom.

>>8626415

How is woman voting more wrong then the average male voting?

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>>8626431
How can voting be right or wrong when all the votes are meaningless and democracy is a bad joke?

>>8626446

Don't have to tell me twice.

>>8626431
How do you think abortion got legalized?

>>8626431
>>8624370

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>>8626456

Supreme Court.

>>8626468

....so its wrong for women to vote because Trump would have won by even more if they didn't vote? Thats just nonsense.

>>8626473
Thank you for demonstrating why you aren't capable of voting.

>>8626510
Not an argument

Try again, kid

>>8626522
The facts stand.

>>8624311
Wish he had, gay marriage needs to be overturned ASAP.

>>8628890

Different anon but I don't believe in gay marriage either. Its kind of a meme. Doubt it will ever be repealed but I wouldn't care if it did.

>>8628890
How many reasons do you need? #1 I don't hate the constitution. #2 it's a state's decision. #3 gays don't need to marry. #4 the Christians' reasons. #5 I'm single.

>>8628898
>repealed

>>8628922
>but I still think there has to be some baseline standard all the states share
There is, it's the Bill of Rights.

>that would give gay people in long term committed relationships, or who want to adopt, the same state benefits
You're welcome to have that opinion but nobody thought to put it in the Constitution.

I guess freedom of speech, the right to a fair trial, etc etc were bigger issues for them.

But don't worry, there's a proper democratic process for adding new things to the Constitution that doesn't involve ripping it to shreds.

>>8628936
t. scholomo shekelbergsteinwitzmann

>>8629029
>and especially gay marriage with how puritan this place is and the intensity of the current right wing backlash.
Then that begs the question of why something so important isn't agreed on by everybody?

>Lots of the benefits I mentioned deal with federal law and bureaucratic practices, not literal constitutional law.
Then it's a matter for Congress and the president, not the courts.

>Heck, the drinking age isn't in the Constitution and yet all the states are on the same page for that.
Congress did that by threatening to withdraw federal funds to the states.

Do you think that should be done in the case of gay marriage? Make gay people and everyone else in a state pay taxes for an education budget that gets cut in their state because of the state's laws?

>I always wondered why the provisions in Article IV didn't apply to states recognizing other states' gay marriage licenses
I have no idea. Maybe it would only apply if they had gay marriage but not to force gay marriage on those that don't.

>>8628890
What does unironically mean?

>>8628905
>#5 I'm single.
eyy baby
>>8628936
t. rabbi shlomo shekelbergbaumbloodlibelstein

So what do people here think the solution to the aging west is, I don't want more non whites here, but pensions and the elderly have issues that need to be worked on.

Anyone here like project syndicate?

Lmao, american right-wing has nothing to do with traditional conservatism, that would be Burkean / High Tory shit, viewpoints that actually consider the public.
You fucks are all radical market fundamentalists and your politics benefit wealthy property owners at the expense of culture and society. The biggest trick you Thatcherite scum played was presenting yourself as conservative.
The only politics that presents an alternative modernity today is the far-left, the Right has commited suicide on the altar of neoliberalism.

>>8629260
>You fucks are all radical market fundamentalists
I fucking wish mate!

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>>8622677

>>8629223
>So what do people here think the solution to the aging west is, I don't want more non whites here, but pensions and the elderly have issues that need to be worked on.

The aftermath of the plagues in Europe raised wages, and led to an era of creativity in Europe. It cleansed the stagnation. 1) We need to tell old people that to demand all of the care they are demanding is jewish in spirit, and that they need to accept dying instead of spending all of their money for mr. shekelberg nursing home administrator. 2) Pensions can fuck off just the same.

tl;dr people need to accept death as part of life and quit being jews

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>>8622677
>GAY GOP CONSERVATARD
>WANTS 2 BE ACCEPTED

>>8623816
>There is an amendment process for just that purpose.
Which is overly cumbersome and almost impossible to pass in the modern era.

>>8623816
>that is democracy being subverted by unelected elites.
We don't have a democracy. We have a Republic that was set up in what essentially amounted to a coup by wealthy elites to consolidate power. The founding fathers being libertarian is the most obscenely stupid revisionism there is. They thought too much power by the people was inherently destructive and led to mob rule.

And they're right.

I don't blame you, the left is alienating a lot of people with the fuck white people fuck capitalism propaganda shit

>4chan, like Tumblr, is so consumed with identity politics that they are the only merit by which everyone chooses their political affiliation.

What a load of shit. I doubt almost anyone here have any economic views based on research or theory. You just end up siding with whichever side supports your identity politics.

>>8630470
Basically it goes like this.

>Brainlets see something they dislike in reality
>...but are too impotent and weak to do anything about it in reality, too afraid of muh scurry librul consensus or whatever boogeyman is their particular poison
>brainlets, instead of offending people in real life where their autism would kick in and they'd go into an emotional fit, go online instead where they can shitpost to their heart's content without a single twinge of empathy to get in the way

Basically, autismlords care little about the logic of reality. They run on autistic thinking - what you may know as "meme magic" - entirely self-referential logic.They care little about what the rest of the world has to say unless it agrees 100% with their internal world. They try so hard to force this internalized world into reality that some idiots fall for the illusion and take it as truth.

Never fall for the illusion.

>>8630524
It's just strange. They'd laugh at liberals calling normal Republicans Nazis, but don't see the irony that they believe all liberals are "cultural Marxists".

I mean, I also agree that the left needs to be more critical of Islam and it's rampant and unapologetic homophobia, but believing that letting 10000 more into a country of 300 million people is somehow going yo result in Sharia law killing all the gays is fear mongering.

That applying only to American politics of course. If I were German for instance I'd be pissed as fuck because the sheer volume means they'll be incredibly difficult to integrate successfully.

>>8629029
>And unfortunately amendments are essentially impossible to pass now with the degree of polarization in this country
You enormous retard. The whole PURPOSE of the amendment process is to prevent them being made when there's strong division between state populations.

Jesus, didn't they teach you people about checks and balances in civics class?

>>8630545
>They'd laugh at liberals calling normal Republicans Nazis, but don't see the irony that they believe all liberals are "cultural Marxists".
The difference is accuracy.

>>8632838
but muh marriage equality

>>8632876
>But muh ex KGB agent
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2hWYgPDVX_8

>>8622677
So's my boyfriend. I'm pretty liberal/centrist so it's fun to argue about politics but we keep it separate from our interpersonal relationship.

>>8622677
>The fuck is wrong with me?
nothing

>>8625024
Peer review means orthodoxy anon, ESPECIALLY in the social sciences.

Again: being raised without one sex of parent is associated with pretty poor outcomes. Fatherlessness in particular is a plague in the West. It's NOT lacking a SECOND parent that's the problem; mothers and fathers contribute different things to raising a child. Boys raised without fathers tend to be more crime-prone, for example, because they were raised without enough discipline. (Mothers just don't provide enough of a disciplinary role.) Additionally, they may find outside "father figures" in the form of criminal gangs.

Pay close attention when you're being fed a narrative that doesn't match the research that's done on separate parts of said narrative.

>>8625746
This.

>>8625774
I support abortion up to the 18th week (which is a VERY conservative estimate of the point at which a fetus might feel pain). Prior to that point, a fetus is simply NOT a person and has no ability to ever be one once separated from the mother. It cannot feel pain (or any sensation at all), it has no ability to have consciousness. It is, quite literally a clump of cells.

You can believe it has a "soul" if you want. I will not argue one way or the other. But I don't believe you can form legislation based on that. You CAN form legislation based on what does or doesn't have a functioning nervous system.

Past that point, the usual exceptions for death of the mother, rape and incest.

I also believe women should only ever be allowed two, with the second one being tied automatically to sterilization. I believe that everybody can make ONE big, terrible mistake in their lives. Once you've done so TWICE, you should not breed.

>>8626118
>By your logic its okay to kill adults in the name of racism too.
Civic nationalism isn't "conservative." It's globalism pretending to care about borders.

We should all live separately in our own cultures. And if it came to a race war to establish that, I'd shoot adults. Sure.

>>8632983
>a fetus is simply NOT a person
The fetus is a human being in the earliest stage of the human life cycle. You cannot deny it is a human being, that is scientific fact, and I would argue that all human beings are persons by definition.

I'm pro-choice, btw. I just don't like your bullshit.

>>8632983
>Past that point, the usual exceptions for death of the mother, rape and incest.
Wait so someone else being raped means it's ok to kill a child? Up until what point? Birth seems so arbitrary.

>>8625813
It's illegal to murder other peoples' fetuses
We're only allowed to murder our own

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It's fucking lame that you can't even count on legbutts being left-wing anymore. What's a gay commie supposed to do?

>>8633738
As a Jewish nazi I know how you feel!

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>>8632983
>I support abortion up to the 18th week (which is a VERY conservative estimate of the point at which a fetus might feel pain).
Glad to know its okay to murder people so long as they don't feel it.

>Prior to that point, a fetus is simply NOT a person
Yes they are, your ability to sense pain is not what makes you a person. You can be knocked unconscious but you are still a human even if you aren't conscious and don't feel pain.

>It is, quite literally a clump of cells.
This is the biggest crock of shit, like you know that ALL life is made of cells right? You are a ""clump of cells"". All the pain and consciousness you are talking about is a product of those cells. Learn biology.

> But I don't believe you can form legislation based on that.
Great I don't believe you can form legislation to justify mass murder, forced sterilization and uhhh race war. How are choicers different than Nazis again??

>>8633647
Oh okay as long as you murder your own kids then I guess it must be good.

>>8632983
>peer review means orthodoxy
What you are telling me is that you have no studies that can pass the litmus test of proper methodology which also conform to your worldview. Your views are orthodoxy to the point of being archaic.

>fatherlessness
You're thinking of single-parent households.

>pay attention when you're being fed a narrative that doesn't match the research that's done on separate parts of said narrative
That's literally you at this moment, spouting a narrative that doesn't match the large database of studies that I provided you with, which dissect different angles of the issue. I know because you hand-waved it off because it was peer-reviewed and then threw a bunch of unsubstantiated opinions at me. That's poor form if you're trying to change someone's position on an issue.

>>8633773
Tbqh I think post-term abortions should be a thing. We should set up a clear cognitive threshold where an infant is a "person" under the eyes of the law and allow abortions up to that threshold.

That way the left can stop claiming moral superiority and the right can stop claiming the left has no basis for it's cutoff point.

>>8634519
What about post-natal abortions?

>>8634525
Oh, sorry. That's what I meant.

>>8634373
>>fatherlessness
>You're thinking of single-parent households.
Let's see the stats.

>>8634738
Check here >>8625024
The collection of 79 studies about this stuff that I posted and you can trace back through the reply chain. Unless you want to be like the other anon and wave it off because it's peer reviewed.