HRT use by Femboys, AGP's and even Cis males

WHO IS THIS

>>8614421
>pretending most trans girls aren't AGP

>>8614421
>"problems" that exist in a small circle of people and that don't mean anything to the majority of the world

>>8614421
I don't care that much about my junk cause I bottom anyway and I think small genitals are cute
Boobs are kind of annoying even though I don't have big ones and I think that's ultimately what impacts my life the most.

>>8614506
Femboy on cypro + E?

Can you elaborate on the boobs and what kind of problems they've caused so far? How long are you on hrt?

>>8614718
Yeah I don't like SERMs. You can't use them long term without dying plus they just don't work well I think, trying to find a magic bullet for receptors is annoying. If it were easy then breast cancer would be cured lol
I just don't like that I have to hide them. I personally don't care it's just like going swimming in public is impossible. I'd have no probs wearing a bikini top if people wouldn't freak out about it lol
I may go trans in the future though, not sure

>>8614733
I have the same disposition towards breasts and people have used that to claim I'm not really trans. Are you androphilic by any chance?

>crossdress first time at age 10
>self diagnose agp age 14/15
>start hrt age 22
>like emotional changes
>keep taking E
>erections start getting painful
>keep taking cypro
>boobs keep growing
>start injecting E
>love the mental changes
>really feel like I'm changing as a person
>can't keep it a secret anymore
>come out to family, some friends
>love my body
>love how I feel
>finally can wear makeup in public
>feel like its given me a new chance at life

ye worth it 10000%, best decision i've ever made

>>8614831
Do you pass?

>>8614831
Did the injections specifically do mental changes that pills couldn't? Like if you kept taking pills you wouldn't have experienced them?

>>8614831
Post a pic please anon.

How does it feel taking hrt? I so badly want to start

>>8614829
I think I am, you mean if I like guys, right? I only really like bottoming.
I am maybe attracted to girls but not for sex. I don't want to top girls.

>>8614919
>tranny cone tits
>loss of penis function
>mental mood swings
>get fat
unless youre a desperate tranny, why do guys want any of this?

>>8615096
>some guys like flat chested girls
>girls don't even have a penis in the first place
>doesn't saying estrogen cause mood swings imply all cis girls are mood swingers to begin with
>ditto except for fat instead of mood swings

>>8615095
What if a girl topped you? Cis (pegging) or trans

>>8615158
Maybe. Would be kind of weird though lol
I mostly just like cuddling with guys. Maybe girls I guess, I've done it before but I'd feel weird about sex stuff

I'm >>8614831
everything said here >>8615096 has all happened to me

if the overall point of the OP is 'don't take hormones unless you're trans', yeah I couldn't agree more...its far from perfect and its far from a fantasy, the only reason I started was I was going to kill myself if I didn't

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>>8615096
>Tranny cone tits
Yeah this happens to some

>Loss of penis function
Yay i'm a bottom

>Mental mood swings
That's not really caused by estrogen itself but but hormonal fluctuations.

>get fat
Well estrogen doesn't make up for being a lazy fucker and staying in a chair all the day while eating tons of shit.

>>8615096
>>tranny cone tits
>meme
>>loss of penis function
>implying submissive "males" need penis function
>>mental mood swings
>implying faggots aren't emotionally unstable anyway
>>get fat
>implying fat hips and ass aren't a good thing

>>8614421
I'm a cis straight dude on hormones, started at 18. Most people who are close enough to care know. My gf likes it, I'm more confident in myself, having boobs is cool, don't care my dick doesn't work cuz I'm a bottom, mental changes mostly just made me nicer/more sensitive. Worst part of being on it is people trying to convince me I'm secretly ~non-binary~ and just don't realize it, and the awkward but not too bad social situations that arise from being androgynous enough to reasonably be perceived as either male or female. Overall I'm really glad I started hrt, best choice I ever made.

>>8614421
> Are there people that aren't really trans or REALLY confused but leading to not being trans, that still do hrt?

Probably, but the groups you mention aren't examples of this.

>>8615237
>My gf likes it
>Im a bottom
She pegs you or something?

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>>8615237
>now even teenagers who aren't even trans get to start hrt before you did

I dunno, I used it as an antidepressant in the past. It worked scarily well. Chronic depression since age 6, been on every combination of antidep you can name.

It kinda sucks going back to shit reality knowing there is an alternative but I wanna keep my balls.

>>8615282
She is trans, she's AGP.

>>8615260
Yea
>>8615282
I'm sorry.
>>8615310
Nah

>>8615324
>dating a girl
>likes feeling feminine and sensitive
>likes having boobs
>bottom
>HRT without social transition
Is there literally any AGP box you do not tick?

I'm trans and have been on and off hormones for years but like I'm getting my breasts removed and I don't have any sexual desires around people seeing me as a woman. I get grossed out by people who sexualize my breasts and even though I'm having subtle FFS done I see myself with gay men and gay leaning bi men because ultimately I don't think straight men really want most trans women.

I'm fine though, I'm non-binary. I've been in this world about 10 years and don't regret anything

>>8615545
If you get ultrasonic breast removal early on it's only like $1000 or so. Leaves no scars either.

>>8615555
That's for fat, my gynecomastia and HRT resulted in I think large a cup breasts

>>8615578
I've seen it used on pretty big manboobs though. I've seen them use some sort of tiny laparoscopic removal done through the nipple to remove the gland and it heals in like a week. It's an outpatient procedure as long as your breasts are small.

>>8615583
I want a nipple reduction too. My nipples are the size of the hole on rolls of toilet paper.

Are you on HRT?

>>8615611
I'm on HRT, I haven't had any boob surgeries though.
It's just kind of what I've looked up on realself.
I believe nipple reduction is difficult. Personally my nipples barely changed size.

And I know this is going to sound weird but I've seen my sisters nipples and they're small so that may be why. I've seen a lot of my family naked so it's not that weird to me anyway lol

>>8615619
I guess I mean areola reduction. Not nipples.

They've always been large even before hormones. I honestly dont care about sensation, at this point I just want them gone. It's not like I'll ever breast feed which is why I'm looking for answers now.

>>8615627
Yeah I believe nipple reduction involves basically slicing it away and it's going to result in nerve damage of course.

How big approximately do you think yours are? Cause once you have like b cups-ish or more it's a more difficult process and you'll need multiple doctor consultations

>>8615632
Look at a toilet paper roll, then look at the hole. My areolas are that size.

I want them smaller and desu I think I'm gonna have to do more than one surgery and just stick to lupron and very low dose T to insure breast growth will never happen again.

>>8615653
I believe complete breast reduction in complicated situations is going to be difficult. You'll most likely need multiple doctors involved in your surgery. It'll probably be a single surgery but you'll need 2 plastic surgeons likely.

>>8615663
I have a consultation with one next month and it's covered by my insurance. I just basically am gonna have to prove I'm a tranny and this isn't new.

I luckily have a record of hormone use for 8-9 years but it'll have to do.

He works with trans people both binary and binary so hope he doesn't freak out too. I'll probably be the first femme to do it through this hospital though.

>>8615675
Well best of luck I guess.
I doubt I'm going to look into it. Really worried I might be trans lol

>>8615679
Oh yeah, don't do it unless you're sure.

I kept them with the thought that I might nurse some day but it's unreasonable to think it's a possibility. Anything else is revolting, I've even refused to wear a bra because I don't want them acknowledged

I got memed into it by trannies on this site, they called me 'girl' a 'woman' and it felt so good so I caved in, cant wait till I start growing boobs

Femboy does partial FFS

https://youtu.be/S17VcuH7ZwI

>>8615972
ahhhh now I want to get ffs even more

>>8616101
This is the answer more than hormones desu, mind you this person has never gotten them so like this is the end result and it's FOREVER! Talk about cheating biology for everlasting femmeness.

>>8614506
Has it been hard to find actual gay guys? I'm afraid my dating pool is nothing but pseudo bis also femboi with boobs mine are a cup I feel like swimming would be a hassle and was at the beach my family saw my tits in their glory.

>>8616116
>gay guys
Femboys are made for straight men.

>>8616121
God no. Im not that anon but I really don't need any straight men in my life with their sex and self hate.

Just give me a gay guy who describes himself as "wearing the pants in the relationship" and I'm fine.

>>8616121
Straight men don't suck cock bro bi maybe although a no homo bro who fucks my butt might be kinda fun so I'll play along in their role play of being "straight" ;3

>>8615972
Godamn I've wanted ffs ever since I saw rumors that Gackt got it he looks like a godamned God for being late thirties. But after seeing this yes I want it b-boys can get surgery to look cute too.

>>8616116
I don't know. I worry about it but the guy i see accepts it
No idea what to do otherwise

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>>8615545
>I'm non-binary.
Thinking trans girls can date 'straight guys' was already a red flag but now I'm certain this is either shitposting or your legit from Tumblr, please go back or stop believing in made up genders, I'm fine with you being trans though.

>>8616242
I've been on and off hormones for ten years and have been on 4chan for about 7. I don't need some snot nosed dweeb who hasn't lived in the places I've lived in or lived a life worth talking about to tell me my reality or the basis from which I arose from.

Fact remains I don't want some creepy ass chaser loser and would much rather be with a gay man or bi sexual man. I don't need some weak person who has to go through some life crisis for liking me. I don't need nor want some fact as boundary made for someone being attracted to me "you're a real girl, I'm not gay, I m still a man"

I've been there, I've been popping mones back when you were being some basic dweeb shit posting Boxxy memes and have been through most of the shit you fags haven't even come up with but will confront.

I know what I'm doing. Gay dudes into feminity but not feminine themselves are better. Most straight identified men into transwomen don't cut it and a good amount of them just want to be us anyways.

Fuck that.

>>8616269

What about bi dudes into androgyny? Where do we rate?

>>8616269

Also, no joke, that rant was epic and i'm a little turned on.

>>8614421
>manage to hide this from parents, friends and everybody?
This is a good one, I'd like to know this too.

I'm a purely anatomic AGP and I've been dreaming about skittles for a very long time.

I just want to have my body feminised and enjoy shoving dildos in my ass and stimulating my little limp dicc.

I'm 20yo and moderately masculine for that age.

My anatomic AGP is consistent.
However, I have phases where I love the idea of HRT and sometimes I'm like: fuck that.
All in all, I have daydreamed about taking HRT since I was 12 or something.

I see myself as a straight dude with AGP.

Would this ruin my life?
Will I as a moderately masculine 20yo be able to still pass as a male?
Will people ask questions and assume I'm trans?

Any tips or experiences would be appreciated.

Also, I don't want to just transition.
I would feel weird playing a role of a woman full time.

Not taking hrt is an option too, of course.

>>8616336
I double this, i feel the same way but i'm scared this is a retarded thing to do. I've even bought the skittles already but idk.

>>8615282
ha ha get fucked. I'm a femboy and started hrt at 16

>>8616852
How? Did anyone notice?

>>8615545
Ethan?

>>8616853
the first moment after I got a job i just bought them on QHI. Stayed on AA only for like 3 months then went on estro and serms too. still haven't been noticed, but i wore baggy sweaters even before i started hrt

>>8616857
>>8616852

You're taking them to stay fem, not transition right? Are they working?

>>8616867
yea, it a little early to tell i recently turned 18 so its only been like 2 years. Certainly not intending to transition, but there is a troupe that hrt femboys are just self repressed trans so who knows. Overall, i havent gotten any more masc, and my skin is softer, better fat distro IMO, and broken dick lol. Im bad at judgeing results because i allways think its just imigination and honscience

>>8616880

Well.. no. Hormones of any decent dose are hugely impactful to the body. All that 'LOL MONES DON'T WORKU DESU' is bullshit. Self-hating hon bullshit. Hormones are serious business.

Is uh.. sex still good and stuff?

>>8616888
dick is broke but im bottom so i dont care. Havent gotten any of that nip sensitivity shit yet. Anal feels 10x better even though i cant really cum half the time, its still better then just fapping used to be. Can only get semi hard and cum from anal, but still no prostate orgasims yet, still need some hand work. I bet a real dicc could get me to prostate orgasim tho.

>>8616909

So you're single?

>>8616941
yea. Im a internet slut tho lol.

>>8616909
>real dick
So you never got one?

>>8616909
>dick is broke
how bad?

>>8616948

Where you at?

>>8616951
not yet. Its been illegal until recently, prob jsut end up slutting on grindr
>>8616952
for me its kinda hot, like chemical chastity. Can only get hard when something is inside of me and then it is only a semi. A little smaller when flacid i think, and prob would be smaller than it used to be if it could get hard. I love it though.
>>8616955
east bay cali

>>8617010
Wait...
Are you blonde?

>>8615445
Yeah. I'm not trans and I don't get off on being a girl.

>>8617021
no. Will be soon tho

>>8617010

Slightly outside my stomping grounds. Aus top into femboys here, was asking those questions earlier cause I know a couple of people medding and wanted to know if it was messing them up/how much it was messing them up. Always nice to get more info though bro. Best of luck with slutting it up on grindr (shouldn't be hard in cali).

>>8617048
yeah. Its no joke i guess, but all the effects are not negitive or postive, just what you make of them.

>>8614421
sauce??

>>8616802
> i'm scared this is a retarded thing to do.
It may be, I don't know.
Let's list some pros and cons, you can add some.
Pros:
>much better sex life (could end up not liking it tho)
>living the AGP dream
>positive emotions asociated with you loving your body in this way
>being free and yourself
Cons:
>taking meds forever
>health risks and taking special care to stay healthy
>awkward social situations
>possibility of discrimination
I wish I could find pics of guys on hrt.
Trannies usually have makeup, their eyebrows done etc.
I wish I could see a good amount of images of pure HRT aesthetic, nothing added to it.

From seeing some tranny porn, their bodies usually look like they could pass as male.
Cute small boobies, soft skin, fem fat distribution, nice smooth ass... exactly what I want, yet they still look like they could pass as men in right clothes.
You can see their bodies best in porn, I'm talking about those without breast implants, obviously.
>>8616852
Can you give us some body pics, or any kind of pics really.

Also, does anyone have any pics of what I'm describing in this post?
I've seen some online, but they are from trannies in boymode, they have female hairstyles etc.

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>>8616802
yea. once your on them you dont really fit into one gender physiclly. You're kinda in the middle. you can certainly pass as boymode forever, but dont think you can be on meds forever. Eventally the AAs will kill your liver or pancreas so you will need to stop, or get an orchie. about 10 years max before you really start hurting yourself. Its not a great idea or very safe, but if you would kill yourself anyway ageing like a man, its safer.
>>8617218
sorry im not gonna post pics in public, check the femgen and boymode discords for really good pics of hrt astetic. Here is a vintage zombo tho. keep in mind this specimen was gifted with anglo genes from the get go

>>8617285
>Its not a great idea or very safe, but if you would kill yourself anyway ageing like a man, its safer.
Or just get a fucking orchie.
Seriously, those nuts will be useless anyway.
Btw, having no balls really turns me on, I guess it's a part of my AGP destroying masculinity fantasy.
>Here is a vintage zombo tho
Can you post more similar pics?
In clothes is fine too, just not female clothes.
>check the femgen and boymode discords
I've seen some nice pics on femgen.
How do I check those discords?
I've only used discord once, so I don't know.

>>8617285
my body looks a lot like that minus tits.
could I take bica on and off until age 25 or so to look that way? or would you widen up as soon as you got off AA's.
also trying to avoid getting gyno any more than that pic.

>>8617424
>Btw, having no balls really turns me on, I guess it's a part of my AGP destroying masculinity fantasy.
Tell me more.

>>8617566
I want mi dicc to be small and dysfunctional.
It's 4.5 inches now, hopefully it will shrink a bit more on hrt.
Having an empty ballsack really turns me on.
It would be really hot to be around guys and girls, while they have no idea you have no balls.

>>8617595
Do you like that it would fit better in panties? That it would stay limp while you're with a boyfriend/girlfriend?

>>8617608
>Do you like that it would fit better in panties?
Yes
>That it would stay limp while you're with a boyfriend/girlfriend?
Hell yes.

>>8617619
Moar!

How do you fantasize about feeling before and after it's done?

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>>8617553
>take bica on and off
Cycling is a meme.
>widen up
What does this mean? Get fat? You're more likely to get fat on AAs than not on AAs.

>>8617632
I fantasize about someone (hopefully a woman) removing my nuts like it's nothing, while most men value their pairs like they're sacred.
I imagine I would feel put to my place.
With my nuts taken and estrogen in my body, I would be just a shell of a man.
Real men would laugh at me and girls would look down on me a bit.

>>8617285
10/10 body tbqh.

I don't know much about hrt, can someone answer me this:
If you're on T, your belly have a tendency to get fat, right? If you're on E, you're more likely to get fat, but will this happen in your legs/butt or will your belly get fat the same way as before?

>>8617637
I meant rib cage and shoulders getting wider over time because of T. that's the main thing I'd want to avoid.
currently trying to lower T with diet, and workout my lower body, I'm really underweight with no body fat so HRT is likely the only step up from where I am.

>>8617595
I have the same fantasies lol
I really hate my testicles. I hate having a bulge there but I don't like vaginas either. I just want a dick, no testes. I don't care if my dick works, I think small penises are really cute.
I don't feel really trans though, I don't relate to mtf's very much.

>>8618004
are you on hrt at all?

hrt effecting thoughts/feelings is not a meme, you might start to relate more and more to MtFs

>>8618031
Yeah I am. I still don't exactly feel very trans though. I think the mental stuff is just placebo

I've always been into guys, never really cared about using my penis cause I'm basically a total bottom, just want a feminine body. But at the same time I have no actual dysphoria relating to not being a girl, I'm fine being a guy.

>>8617637
Id actually be okay with my chest if it looked like that pic instead I got fucking cone tits lol as long as they stay smol tho I'm good thinking of cutting calories to drop back to 130 maybe reduce the size.

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>>8618132
Pic related lol

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I'm probably somewhere between an agp femboy and mtf. I certainly don't want a male body, so I take e and spiro. I identify as female, but I mostly have a male mindset. I'm into girls in abstract, but only want to date guys. Everyone who has been told I'm trans is fine with it. There aren't too many mental changes for me, the only things that are obvious would be losing attraction to girls (but not to mtfs) and liking guys more, and the occasional dysphoria breakdown that happens very infrequently. Is it worth it? Yes. The only thing that is irritating, is when I rush down stairs or run/jog, and my boobs hurt :'( but I find it interesting to grope them, so I try to cope.

>>8618186
be my gf yes thank ok ily

>>8618186
How long are you on hrt and how big are your boobs?

Sincerely, reading stories like this encourages me to start.

>>8618052
>I think the mental stuff is just placebo
its really really not though
it must be easier for you to cry at least? its really hard for me to believe you haven't noticed ANY mental changes unless you've barely just started taking hormones

I've changed in ways I never would have predicted (crying is cliche of course, but thats not the only), I know for sure my changes are not placebo

>>8618264
Yeah I kind of like the crying. Sometimes I try to purposefully think of sad stories lol
Other than that though I don't know what else is supposed to be happening. I think it's definitely helped with my depression. I don't know about anxiety, always had bad anxiety so I don't think that's changing.

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>>8618186
Oh, that sounds like me, anon. I don't identify as female though, atleast not yet. I think I will bite the bullet one day and continue with hrt but for now I'm just on AAs after slowly growing cones started scaring me.

I literally came up to my mom as AGP. I am now taking hormones with peace of mind.

>>8618186
oh no
this is me
I definitely don't want to look like a man/be a man, but I'm so turned off by vaginas that despite my dysphoria making me hate my dick, I'm strictly nonop.
mtfemboy is kinda the perfect description for me
as I age I'll probably work more into falling into normal woman roles though, cool girls in business skirts, blouses, suit jackets are still sick

>>8618264
I've always cried all the fucking time. I guess it's a bit more often now, but it's definitely not tons more.

>>8617608
i don't know what the meme with it staying limp is
mine can still get hard when I'm turned on even though my T is below 100 and I only leak seminal fluid upon cumming once a week or so. Most of my orgasms are completely dry, but I still get hard upon lewd stuff starting.

>>8618299
I can still get hard but not spontaneously like that. I have to actually try and jerk off for it to get hard.

>>8618136
...cute

>>8616336
>AGP
>I just want to have my body feminised and enjoy shoving dildos in my ass
>However, I have phases where I love the idea of HRT and sometimes I'm like: fuck that.
>I don't want to just transition.
>I would feel weird playing a role of a woman full time.
all check
>straight dude
lol

I also enjoy being called a girl and dream about being one romantically/sexually but I also like being male socially, so ehh

Anyway I have started HRT and I like it, the feminization feels amazing, I want it badly, the mental effects are good - Im more happy, Ive seen femboys or 'twinkhons' and I'd be fine looking like them, I was only scared of mental effects or health problems but so far everything is fine.
I have more motivation to get on a better diet and cut the alcohol (will have enough extra money for mones if I stop drinking too).

>>8617285
wow dem hips, you are natural girl
Im masc enough to be boymode forever, sadly

>>8618274
>>8618292
I mean...isn't that in itself a mental change?
maybe there are more you're not noticing
honestly I guess we all could respond differently to birth-sex hormones and hrt-hormones

if there's one thing I've ever known, its that hrt is slowly changing me to the point where I look back and think "wow, that is how I used to think isn't it?"
as if its another persons memory in my brain almost

>>8614444
This. When an MtF uses female pronouns instead of accepting they're men born with a mental abnormality (not that there's anything wrong with it. trans should be treated with the same respect anyone else gets) and start trying to turn their fantasies into a reality they're no different than any other AGP. Not to mention that getting bottom surgery is the most AGP thing anyone can do

>>8618136
is this the low self confidence anon who is actually okay looking :3

>>8618566
Um Yeah kinda I've been going through depression since my hookup/fuckbuddy left me I mean I posted my face in femgen so yah I'll never look as good as face app makes me but Maybe after ffs I'll be cute.

>>8618358
Y-you t-too

>>8618488
I don't know I started HRT when I was at a particularly bad time in my life and so a lot of things have changed in my life nowadays but I can't exactly say whether it's due to HRT.

>>8614831
Can you describe the mental changes in more detail?

>>8618255
ok daddy ;) only if you promise to pound my ass like the slut I am
>>8618261
10 months now, at 32 A right now. I hope I can get to B maybe early next year

>>8617285
How are Anglo genes supposed to be advantageous? I ask because I'm Anglo and I don't see it.

>>8616909
>Anal feels 10x better

Mones make you feel this? Or only cause you can't use your dick anymore?

I'm a huge anal slut so the prospect of it feeling even better is appealing.

>>8618748
I've definitely noticed a change. Feels a lot better I think

>>8618754
Now I want to become a cute femboy even more. How old is too old to take skittles?

>>8616909
Should try chastity for a bit, crazy as it sounds, not having access to your dick unlocks amazing anal orgasms like you wouldn't believe, and makes them way easier to achieve.

>>8617010
>has been illegal until recently

Are you a fucking jailbait teenager? Gross.

>>8618906
>Wah someone who's above the minimum age required to use the site is using the site
You're just mad you didn't get to start as early as they did t b h

>>8618914
I'm actually a cis male you mentally ill faggot. And I've been here since 2005, but elsewhere in the forums. Jailbait has always been degenerate though, despite the fact that we had a loli board back then (was glad to see that shit go).

>>8618935
The fact that real dick is legal for them implies that they are 18, making them not jailbait. Get some reading comprehension

>>8618667
why are all femboys sub sluts
can't I find one that's dom or ace I just want to be cute and cuddle with a cute femboy
don't take it personally tho

>>8618952
They were, was my point. They're barely not, which is... Still pretty gross for anyone over the age of 25. A sane 18 year old is one thing, but a mentally ill one... Ugh... Ain't touching that with a two thousand foot pole.

>>8618968
My personality is just submissive. I could never top/dom a guy. Hope you find a dom femboy.

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>>8617984
I'm also curious about this, I wouldn't mind having wider hips and a bigger butt. Thanks 7n advance.

>>8618900
ugh not necessary (many try it and still wont cum from ass after weeks in chastity)
and especially not when he already gets no hardons on skittles

>>8618295
Ive been more emotional and happy as a teen then Ive become cold and mostly angry, I couldn't cry even if I wanted and wouldn't experience much joy either, on HRT it all came back, also I feel better towards people in general while before I had sort of 'fuck off' attitude

>>8619197
lol, this person has better tits than 80% of cis-girls

>>8614421
anyone not trans who goes on cross-sex hrt is gonna have a bad time

>>8619310
tell that to almost all of femgen and the agps if you beleve in that sort of thing.
its still disphoria, just not to be a diff gender

>>8619302
femboys have better everything then cis girls lol

>>8619310
Lmao no that's just memes and placebo effects. It is not true in even the slightest

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>>8619197
Femboy?
More like tomboy, amirite.

>>8619059
it's fine im a submissive femboy myself but minus the cocklust I just want a cute dominant bf/gf
honestly cuteness is the only physical trait that matters to me

>>8619315
Even if you believe Blanchard's nonsense, AGPs are trans.

>>8619302
this one too >>8617637

>>8619320
it is true! I totally have female brain and only estrogen makes me feel great

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>>8617984
>>8619116
I want to know this too, i'm scared of "reeee ur gona gt fat on hrt lmaooo" but i don't mind if the fat is stocked in my legs and butt.

>>8619355
>it is true! I totally have female brain and only estrogen makes me feel great
I always find it hilarious when transgirls cite those studies then ignore the 30-40% of mtf's that don't match their preconceived notions

>>8618968
I'm not exactly a femboy right now, but I'm not a full on submissive slut.

I am more on the submissive side sexually, even though I'm dominant socially.
Maybe this will change on skittles.

I want to have a loving bf to cuddle with, so we can suck and kiss each others dicks.
Not because any of us is a cum-slut, but because we love each other and dicks :3

I would only bot with a regualr bf, but I coult top a cute femboy bf.
Maybe I'll lose the ability to do so on skittles, I wouldn't mind it desu.

>>8619383
Ya know I said like 30 minutes ago in this thread that I don't really have cocklust
>>8619344
but that fluctuates a lot and now I want a cute femboy to put their magically still working benis in my bussy(male)

>>8619412
> I want a cute femboy to put their magically still working benis in my bussy(male)
I want a real man to put his benis inside of me, while I stay limp.

>>8619197
Wtf is a zombo?
Also, pls post moar pics.

I've been browsing r/transpassing a bit today.
All of those niggas look like they could pass as male way better than as female.
This sort of motivates me to do skittles

>>8619490
sorry only have those two.
zombo is a femboy. Join the discord and youll see him, the cool new one btw

>>8619505
How do I join the discord?
I've only used discord once, so I don't really know how to.

>>8619505
you had a split again? jej

>>8619502
exactly, you have to put in lots of effort to look like a woman, staying boymode is pretty easy unless you are naturally very fem and cute

>>8619519
I hope I can stay in boymode even with shaved legs and mid/long hair.

Most of these hons look goofy.

>>8619320
Alan Turing would disagree, sadly

>>8619561
Uh no because turing did AAs without hormones plus he went through a huge stressful event that led up to that event

Is it possible that my family will not notice the effects of skittles (I live with them)?
Can I just play dumb when they notice something or do you think they will investigate?
How do I recive packages without them seeing it?
Packages with skittles may arrive when they're at home, there is no excuse I can come up with for not letting them know what's inside.
Is there another way to do it?

>>8619759
PO Box

>>8618136
You're cute and androgynous. Your body can pass both for a girl's body and for a femboy's body.

>>8619781
Wow, seems brilliant, I would have never thought of that.
How do I get one?

>>8619759
>>8619781
Yep! I did this at 15 PO box and disposable debit cards that didn't need a name.

>>8619197
>dat calendar

>>8619803
Find a Post Office with available PO Boxes by searching here:
https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm
Go to the post office and tell them you'd like to reserve a PO Box. They'll give you this form:
https://about.usps.com/forms/ps1093.pdf
Pick the smallest box size. Return the form and pay for the first 6 months. They'll find an available box and give you the key and box number.

If a package doesn't fit in your box, they do one of two things:
- Place it in a locker and leave the key in your box.
- Hold it at the counter and leave a note in your box.
If you're afraid of talking to someone at the counter, choose a larger post office that has lockers. You can tell which ones are lockers because a couple of them will be hanging open with a key in the keyhole.

>>8619832
Thanks a lot, nigga.
I'll probably just get a regular box because I won't order big supplies for safety reasons.
Are those lockers expensive?

>>8619858
You don't need to buy a locker. They put the package in the locker (free of charge) if it doesn't fit in your box.

>>8619864
Then literally what is the point of paying for anything other than the smallest box?

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>>8619529
legs dont matter at all, hair can always be put into ponytail - that's what I normally do
you can start looking weird with pale soft skin and female fat distribution

>>8619866
It's for people who receive a lot of mail or don't check their box often. The post office will make you upgrade or cancel your service if you consistently have a full box. You're fine as long as you don't leave the package sitting in the locker for days.

>>8619873
I have a savage looking mid hairstyle, that's how I like it.
Skin doesn't have to be pale if you get some sun.
I'm bronze af right now, but that's because I work on a beach.

What about my family not noticing?
Can I actually be a skittled up guy without causing family drama or social issues?

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>>8619785
Aww thank you I've really needed to hear that you're such a sweet heart anon <3

>>8620007
Isn't it like 7am where you live?

>>8619985
I did it for three years no one knew I was on mones until I passed out when I ran out of cypro now I'm taking fem and ms legit but my doctor lowered my dose considerably 100mgs spiro and 4 1/2 estrodial. I never got into serms mainly cause my medecine caused me to have boy boobs at a young age.

>>8620014
Lol yah close to it anyways bout 6:20ish I wake up super early and shit post x3 I got to be at work in 1 hour.

>>8620016
I don't even want serms.
Boobs are part of the appeal.

>>8620022
Damn that's early. What do you do for a living?

>>8620022
>>8620026
I'm already at work. I'm chilling on a beach, renting stuff. People are not bothering me too much today.

>>8620016
Did you wear a sports bra or something? Even small breasts are obvious under a t-shirt if you're skinny.

>>8620034
Ahh I wish I worked on the beach must be nice seeing a the cute guys running up and down the shore. When I used to surf I loved getting to the beach at like 5-6 and watching the sun rise easily got some of the best waves at that time too. Sadly I'm stuck in the mountains no beach for me.

>>8620024
I'd freak if they got bigger than an a cup lol although maybe a b cup can be hidden? This may sound retarded but anyone have pics of a b cup I'm scared mine is getting to that rate lol.

>>8620026
I work tech support from my bedroom it's really comfy I'd probs been a NEET forever had I not found this job. I do eventually want to be in the IT field like a software developer or web designer which ever has better pay.

>>8620053
Kinda some days I've considered a binder but honestly no one notices them unless I'm in the water then all bets are off. But they really aren't noticeable unless I wear a really tight shirt well that used to be the case anyways I think they are getting bigger so a binder may be in my future.

>>8620061
Oh, I'm actually a software developer. It's not too hard to get a job in software development even with relatively little experience if you move to the right city. Do you know what kind of development you want to do?

>>8620061
>must be nice seeing a the cute guys running up and down the shore
I like girls mostly.
I only like psychological aspects of guys (how they treat me) and dicks.
Male bodies themselves don't do anything for me.
>maybe a b cup can be hidden
Or not. Why even hide it.
You can wear baggy hoodies during winter and in summer just say you have gyno or a hormonal disorder.
People will rarely ask:
Why do you have such huge-ass tits?

>>8620083
>I only like psychological aspects of guys (how they treat me)
>Male bodies themselves don't do anything for me.
And they say meta-attraction isn't real.

>>8620074
Woah small world lol do you work as freelance or for a firm?

I um want to develop security software, apps that encrypts personal data. Maybe apps that scan and remove ransom ware malware etc one idea was an app that locks your phone or computer if any detection of a proxy sever or unknown ip is connected. I probably watch too much mr. robot lol and it's probably a hard field to get into cyber security of any nature but I really want to help protect people.

>>8620083
Yeah so far only one close call but that was with family ironically on the beach. It would be rude as hell to go up to someone who looks like a boy and say nice tits :/ I hope it doesn't happen.

Guys dicks are great need one in my life lol.

>>8620143
> It would be rude as hell to go up to someone who looks like a boy and say nice tits :/ I hope it doesn't happen.
Who cares if it happens. It's just important that it doesn't happen often and that it doesn't lose you your job or employment options.
I doubt boobs and soft skin would get you unemployed though.
Oversized gyno tits is always a reasonable explaination.

>>8620129
I self studied for years as a hobby, got noticed, got offered a 5 year apprenticeship with an international police force countering cp and human trafficking, bailed within a week because the training was to stressful and made my schizophrenia skyrocket.

>>8620228
Shit that's the real stuff I can imagine that would be a really stressful environment. Sorry it didn't work out tho my dad suffers from bipolar disorder so I've seen how bad mania can get. Do you wanna exchange emails your really fun to talk to.

>>8620360
sure [email protected] it's a new throwaway.

>>8614421
I'm unpassable, I'm really, really think about being a femboy or something.

I'm dying a little bit everyday. That's probably the "deal".

>>8620360
>>8620394
oh btw i wasn't the original anon you were talking to, i just chimed in about my experience with cyber security lol.

>>8620404
Why do people like to use the term "femboy"?
It just sounds weird to me, reminds me of tumblrites, they like to use "boy" often.
Also, I am no boy. I'm a grown adult, a femman.

>>8620430
Boys are cuter.

>>8620430
Femboy makes me think of qt tomboys.

Femman makes me think of gross hairy ayydens.

>>8620441
But, boys are not hot.
Having a child-like appeal is a massive turn-off for me.
Idk, this whole terminology just rubs me the wrong way.

>>8620022
Can i ask where you live?

>>8620404
Same, living in boymode os better than nothing, i hope i can stay on hrt for a long time without anyone actually noticing.

Btw is anyone here using Cypro? Are the sedative effects real?

>>8620489
>But, boys are not hot.
Wrong

>>8620541
Ok, but I'm a grown agp.
I'm not into the whole daddy/twink gay game/pecking order, or whatever.
Being a cute boy does nothing for me.
All I need is femininity to fulfill my agp dreams.

>>8620693
Cute boys are feminine. It doesn't have to be a full age thing either.

>>8620712
Idk, I'm 5'10 with regular male skeleton.
Will boobs, fem fat distribution and soft skin make me more of a boy?

>>8620720
It will definitely make you less of a man.

>>8620729
Less of a man and more of a woman.
There is no boy in this whole story.

I just remembered. I often spend time with my 9yo male cousin.
He is a boy, but he's not feminine at all.
He is very masculine for his age, likes sports and fighting.
His body and skeleton are much different from girls his age.
He is a young boy, but it's very clear he's male.

What I'm trying to say is that boys are just young men.
They may appear to be feminine because they don't have qualities that adult men have.

I guess hrt takes away many male characteristics, which would appear to make you more of a boy.
However, it adds extra femininity that only adult women have, not boys.

You really just become a man/woman hybrid, which I'm fine with.

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>>8620409
Oh it's cool I always like chatting about technical things so we can still talk too x3 my contact is [email protected]

>>8620507
You can email me and ask if you want sorry I've had bad experiences on the chans before so I'm a bit more careful now.

>>8620394
Awesome you I'll send you a message when I get off of work :3

>>8620441
100 percent this.

>>8620166
Dubs speak the truth

>It's just important that it doesn't happen often and that it doesn't lose you your job or employment.

True I've been really blessed to have a job where I can work in my underwear and no one is the wiser but it's been a worry for me if I do get into software dev.

>Oversized gyno tits is always a reasonable explaination.

Well it did work for my ex bf lol

>>8621330
I worry about this whole skittles thing.
It's a big descision and I don't know should I do it.

Obviously, it will cause some inconveniences that will persist for the rest of my life.
I guess my health would not suffer that much after I get an orchie.

The payoff is living the AGP dream.

Some anon said earlier in this thread that he worries if this is a retarded thing to do. I have the same problem.

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>>8621459
Same, i've been off this board for months but now that i'm 18 i feel like i NEED to make this decision fast, but idk. I hope we find the answer

Pros:
>Living the agp dream
>No more suicidal thoughts i guess or at least not killing myself for a time
>Possibility to finally carry on with life and think about future
>(for me, part of agp) Possibility to crossdress and cosplay and look cute and feel good, comfy etc.

Cons:
>Social awkwardness in a shitty conservative city while having social anxiety
>Possibility of having problems with parents and family when they discover it
>Having to hide dem boobs and anxiety over their growth
>Health problems (not my biggest worry desu i'm suicidal anyway)

>>8621459
The AGP dream is becoming a cis girl.

>>8621640
>(for me, part of agp) Possibility to crossdress and cosplay and look cute and feel good, comfy etc.
For me too, I want to be cute af when I want.

For me as an anatomic AGP, the biggest appeal is that I can live normally in secret, while under my somewhat baggy clothes I'm feminine and fuckable.
Basically, having an awesome body when it's sexy time.
The comfy part is awesome too.
I would love to dress feminine/casual at home in my cute fem body.
>Social awkwardness in a shitty conservative city while having social anxiety
I don't have much social anxiety, but I have generalised anxiety disorder. I also tend to worry a lot.
Not sure how skittles would impact this, but I would have to get my worrying under control.
>Health problems (not my biggest worry desu i'm suicidal anyway)
Why are you suicidal?
What kind of agp are you exactly?

>>8621640

If you're having a lot of suicidal thoughts and you wouldn't have them on it, that's kinda the definition of quality of life improvement. Everything is relative.

Also be aware AGP is pseudoscience. Maybe it exists, maybe it doesn't, but it hasn't been proven clinically or is mainstream at all, and dysphoria has. No idea if that's just the new meme way to say trans or whatever (don't post here much) but it seems full of shit to me. People often find excuses for ways they feel and other reasons for it and shit, but it's super rare that two really similar things are not, in fact, the same thing with psychology.

Most of the things on your con list seem more solvable than the ones on your pro list. Suicidal thoughts and being unable to carry on with life are crippling. Worrying about family reactions is manageable, hiding boobs manageable, shitty conservative cities are manageable (move. It may seem dumb, but cities really do have types and if you don't fit there moving to a different type of city will make everything far far far far easier).

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>>8617285
>"not gonna post pics in public"
>I will however post someone elses pics

what if my man face and broad shoulders limit my options with this? I would love to go out in a dress but I feel like I should just get andro clothes and not take any sort of HRT because tits would stand out so much. I'm 20 and skinny but my genetics fucked me with just my bone structure.

>>8621760
>For me too, I want to be cute af when I want.
>I would love to dress feminine/casual at home in my cute fem body.
not me but I want these things so much

>>8621827
>and dysphoria has.
Show me ANY study that proves dysphoria is a thing.

>>8621968
/lgbt/ is proof enough.

>>8621968
We've had this discussion thousands of times.
Don't start it again, please.
It never leads anyway.
If someone posts against AGP just don't reply, otherwise you'll start a shitshow.

>>8621984
>>8621986
Dysphoria is unproven pseudoscience.

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>>8621760
>Not sure how skittles would impact this
I feel like it would relieve us from this decision and from the fear of aging as a male but bring us anxiety related to hrt... Almost the same but the second option is better...


>Why are you suicidal? What kind of agp are you exactly?
I don't know why i'm suicidal tbqh, maybe i'm trans and agp at the same time or something like that, i just don't have ambitions in life for now and can't find my life passion no matter how much i've been looking for. Nothing brings me joy. HRT is the only thing that brings me hope and a warm sensation, but at the same time i'm really scared of it and i fear i'm just crazy and shouldn't do it.

How to know what kind of agp i am? Sorry i'm retarded

>>8621827
>If you're having a lot of suicidal thoughts and you wouldn't have them on it, that's kinda the definition of quality of life improvement
That's true but at the same time idk if that's just some kind of phase, if i'm memeing myself or if, maybe, i'm thinking that hrt will solve my problems and make me a happy person and that's not true.

But i agree with you. If I were sure that everything else is going to fail, i would do it because wew what can i lose. But I drowned myself in this mental loop a long time ago. Whenever someone tries to help me in this place i just run away and try to ignore this feelings for a time. This thread was a result of me thinking "What about non-trans people taking hrt? Do they regret it? Live a normal life?" because i've been considering it again.

>>8622060
>I feel like it would relieve us from this decision and from the fear of aging as a male but bring us anxiety related to hrt...
It would bring worries and anxiety about family and doctors finding out.
Just imagine having any kind of health problem, having your body checked.
How do you explain this?
What if you end up in the hospital for a while? This would mean no skittles and revertimg back to male temporarily.
Also, you'd have to tell them for safety reasons.
>How to know what kind of agp i am?
Just describe your agp, your dreams and goals with it and everything.

anyone here have experience with taking bica only? I feel like thats the best option for the type of people in this thread. only downside is breast growth as far as I know.
and serms dont seem realistic for long-term or making a major difference.

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>>8621640
The good news is aas are not permanent short term so if your on the fence as to whether or not to start hormones you can start a trial dose for a month and see how you feel still feel like shit it might not be related feel amazing like on cloud nine the way I did when I first started yeah you are gunna want to stay on the hormones. As for boiboobs people mention serms I can't say much about them as I had tiny a cups most of my life. Guys used to tease me about them little did they know that fuels my AGP. But yeah try them out to see if they help the suicidal idealtion is a major red flag if ssris have not worked hormones can get rid of those feelings.

>>8622294
This is according to Wikipedia so take it with a grain silo full of salt. But what I've read bicca increases femization so sounds like it can still cause breast growth without a serm I'm not completely sure tho.

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>>8622146
>Just imagine having any kind of health problem, having your body checked.
I'm worried about this too, like wtf will happen when i need to get checked? Ofc most doctors don't give a fuck but what if i get really sick and my parents need to go... I already have a bit of gyno but hrt boobs are really different...

>Just describe your agp, your dreams and goals with it and everything.
I guess its the usual, i want to be the cutest person i can, crossdress and be the qt daddy girl and actually feel good with my body when doing this. At least that's what i've always thought. Lately i'm not really feeling like this, low sex drive for some reason, probably depression. Not that i care, i'd rather be a cute assexual doll and feel good with myself until age hits on (that's why i'm going for cypro if i do this). Does that classifies me as agp? I'm confused. I always liked to crossdress in a sexual way (agp), but the last time i did it for the euphoric and inner peace sensation it brought me. Reading a book, watching tv, as retarted as this sounds, it felt so different and enjoyable.

>>8622490
You mean start AA's only for a month? I'm thinking about it (and making excuses to procrastinate it), i actually got 4 months worth of cypro hidden in my wardrobe, but idk.

I did a research about serms but they're really expensive here (like bica), there's also many side effects as it's a drug still in research and all. But yes, ssris didn't work, neither drugs, i hope hrt help me if i end up doing it.

>feel amazing like on cloud nine the way I did when I first started
Sorry to ask about your personal life, how did you feel before HRT?

>>8622294
I may be wrong but after months lurking femgen and hrtg, it seems like bica can cause gyno in some people (they say 20% iirc). I've read twisted opinions about it's efficiency on MPB and difficulty to detect results, wich is scary.

>>8623269
>but the last time i did it for the euphoric and inner peace sensation it brought me. Reading a book, watching tv, as retarted as this sounds, it felt so different and enjoyable.
That's still agp. Non-agp trannies don't feel like that and get confused if you suggest crossdressing to feel more at peace. Plenty of agp trannies will know exactly how you feel though.

The types of agp are:
>transvestic: dressing as a girl
>anatomic: female body parts like genitals and breasts
>functional: female body functions like lactation
>behavioral: acting like a girl and doing stereotypical woman's stuff
>interpersonal: socially getting treated as a girl

You're transvestic for sure. How do you feel about the descriptions for each of the others? Are those things you'd like or that you think about a lot?

>>8623269
>i actually got 4 months worth of cypro hidden in my wardrobe, but idk.

be careful with cypro that shit nukes t so if you don't have an issue with your genitals your going to have a bad time also it's heavy on the liver and the withdrawals are no fun I ended up in the er. The dose I took was 50mgs tho don't take that much please.Try 25mgs or get on spiro cause ur libido will be nuked I had to take progesterone to revive it and that's how my boobs got bigger. Cypro also has progesterone in it so keep that in mind if boiboobs are an issue but if you already have it take it the ssri did not work cause the doctors aren't treating the issue bdd or light dysphoria. This being said please don't make the mistakes I did and get your levels monitored anon. Sorry for the long post and the next long post to respond to your question lol.

>>8623269
>Sorry to ask about your personal life, how did you feel before HRT?

It's okay I can share honestly I did the same when I was on the fence about starting. I was completely miserable multiple suicide attempts six total that I remember vain attempts to be an emo kid forever while watching my body become more masculine. Constant drinking and endless string of hookups to forget that I was changing from the cute person I used to be to a disgusting looking man. Started surfing everyday preparing for contests made surfing the only thing I thought about it was good for awhile me and my dad bonded super close and being in the ocean filled me with a sense of relief but the days I couldn't surf the days I'd see my reflection and notice beard shadow were the days I would lay in my bed all day long if the phone rang I never answered it. Things got bad when I couldn't surf anymore cause I moved and I started cross dressing like every single day I'd post on the chans and try to trap guys and being stupidly homophobic would reveal I'm a guy and laugh at their reaction I did a lot of drugs then mostly cocaine and was a generally horrible person. I tried to repress again this time I figured I'd just be a normal gay guy this backfired started going to clubs slutting it up which was bad cause I started dressing girly there and lost my virginity to a hook up he even asked me if I want to be a girl I vehemently denied it still do but he cut my hair short and I cried the next night. There's a lot more I spiraled in alcoholism morphine abuse and even tried heroin my advice take the mones don't make those mistakes.

>>8622060

>some kind of phase

Here's a handy trick. Ask yourself 'is <this thing> something society/people I know disapprove of?' If the answer is 'yes', odds are good (unless you're an edgy memelord but that's a whole nother question) that that is acting as a negative reinforce to you doing it. So if you still feel an urge to do it, there must be a reason for that. Things with things pushing back against them tend to have a reason to exist that isn't 'no reason'.

Also there's another pretty simple way to answer the 'is it a phase' question - how long has it existed? How long have you been alive? If it's a quarter of that, or more, it's not going away. Not to say it will if it's less, but things that exist for a quarter of your existence tend to stay barring them being removed.

And in the end, life is fairly mutable. Despite fears to the contrary, it's hard to actually 'fuck up' life as a whole - you can generally dig yourself out of any hole except for mental ones. Shitty thoughts and ways of viewing the world are more likely to kill, torture, or fuck you over than making a decision - any decision - and just going for it.

>>8614421
Am I weird for being attracted to the idea of someone who identifies as male but takes hormones to look female?

>>8622060
>Nothing brings me joy.

Standard depression symptom there. Basically the most defining one. Don't get on antidepressants, though, that shit will fuck you up and is only really worthwhile if you're braindead-terminal turbodepressed already.

You sound a lot like someone with dysphoria. Kinda sounds like it's killing you a bit too but other things are keeping you from doing anything about it. Even if you don't take skittles or be fem or anything but like start therapy/lifestyle to deal with it another way, sounds like it needs something done about it. Do you have close friend(s)/a romantic partner? Talking to someone non-anon might help, even a therapist.

>>8623269

Doctors really don't give a fuck, and they are required by law to keep your shit secret - less so if you're a minor but even then in many countries still legally required to not disclose it. Like there are probably doctors who would care but they are few especially any that have done a stint in ER.

>>8618136
You are super cute, i want to cuddle you and kiss you all over tbqh

>>8623699

I know, right? fuckable/10

>>8623699
Aw I'd love to be held by you anon most guys I've been with lately aren't down for cuddling I need to stop trying to date no homo bros x3

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>>8623704
<3 you guys are being to nice I'm gunna blush for real.

>>8623713

Cuddling is a human right

>>8623722

If you do blush, send pics, I want to confirm my theory

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>>8623311
I can relate to the "transvestic", but not for the rest i guess (functional: Lactation kind of hits my agp but i don't want anything else like periods; Interpersonal: My heart skips 12 beats every time my friends talk to me using female Pronouns like when i'm playing as a female character, but idk how that would translate irl)

About "agp trannies", is it a bad idea for agp trannies to transition or it's unrelated?

>>8623480
Thanks for the warning and advice. I'm considering cypro bc, to tell you the truth, the only function this dick has is masturbation and when i'm doing it, i feel like i'm just wasting my time. I feel no pleasure from using it in sex (already tried) so i don't really worry about it. I'm more worried of regretting this all later and having to get on T for life to avoid side effects from not having sex hormones in my body.
>>8623494 Sorry about what happened to you, i know a bit of this path too, During 2 years i used to smoke daily with some guys and pass out drinking, then became a neet and just drank until passing out in my room. Almost killed myself accidentally. This didn't help me, no one should try it bc it only makes it worse
I hope you find happiness anon, thanks for the help <3 I'll keep on my path to do something

>>8623635
After trying lexapro and ending up ridiculously aphatetic (and watching my mother fall for the antidepressant meme for the past 20 years) i'll never do them again tbqh.

I can't disagree with you, that proves me something's up but yes, just like >>8623599 helped me admit, i'm probably scared about family and society in general to make any steps, whatever it is. I only have one really close friend, and considered telling him before and he knows something's wrong, but i can't do it. I dream of playing cards and (light) drinking with him like we used to, but in girl mode, but he wouldn't understand.

>>8623746
>Cuddling is a human right
Indeed and they even been denied sadly wanna help me fight da powa.


>If you do blush, send pics, I want to confirm my theory

I would anon but I look like dog poop right now hairs a mess, red stuffy nose I hate colds lol my voice gets super high during them too several people called me mam at work today. Um what's ur theory?

>>8623793

My theory is that with your skin tone, blushing would be super cute.

>>8623781
>About "agp trannies", is it a bad idea for agp trannies to transition or it's unrelated?
Most trannies are AGP.

>>8619985
Depends how observant your parents are, I became significantly more feminine after 1 year on HRT and while everyone else noticed my parents were oblivious.

One day, Mum made a joke and slapped me on the butt. Lets just say it jiggled a bit too much, I probably looked like a deer in the headlights as she just stared at me. She poked my belly which is actually pretty toned so I figure she knew I wasn't just getting fat. Then she was intently staring at my chest.

She was going to poke one of my boobs next, but I shielded them in that "naked woman" way. That was enough to make her realise and from that point on the game was up and I had to admit it.

>>8624224
Wow, that's an interesting story.
I wish my butt would jiggle a bit too much.

I've been thinking about just coming out as a cis agp, but everyone would think that it's retarded to take skittles.

I don't want to go full tranny because I personally don't need to and hons look goofy.
I would be a twinkhon, but still.

My parents don't know about the whole tranny thing. They are oblivious.
Maybe this will help.

Also, I've been chubby almost my whole life.
I have some manboobs going on and my belly is soft.
My dad sometimes makes fun of me because how soft I am.

I can lose weight easily and have done so in the past, I just tend to get chubby when I don't care as much.

>>8624284
>I've been thinking about just coming out as a cis agp,
That's really interesting anon, I've been thinking of coming out as a gay heterosexual, so I can relate.

>>8624224
lmfao

>>8624293
Make fun of me all you want, but I'm an anatomic AGP who doesn't care about social stuff and what people see me as.
>cis anatomic AGP
It sounds a bit stupid, but I don't have any better names for it.

>>8624323
Oh you mean you just want to medically transition and become a male-identifying girl.

>>8624341
is there something wrong with that?

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>>8624341
> tfw never will have a qt male-identifying trans gf

>>8624353
No it just means you aren't cis.

>>8624363
Hit her up anon.

>>8624341
Whatever you say.
I don't care either way.
This is just how I want to do things.

>>8623311
> types of agp
So by definition I'm agp because I'm not exclusively interested in men, but none of these really "turn me on" or are like a fetish. I don't crossdress to feel better, and I never really did, taking steps towards transition just felt...natural. Heck these days I barely ever dress up. Or maybe at first I felt happy about my breasts or interacting socially as a woman, but it was more like relief from a tension I didn't know existed, like coming home when I'd been homesick all my life. Now it's just everyday life and I don't get any more pleasure out of it than anyone else does, sexual or otherwise. I don't think of doing things "as a girl", it's just doing things as...myself. This blanchard meme is confusing.

>>8623781
>functional: Lactation kind of hits my agp but i don't want anything else like periods;
That counts. You don't have to be agp in every way under the label.

>Interpersonal: My heart skips 12 beats every time my friends talk to me using female Pronouns like when i'm playing as a female character, but idk how that would translate irl
That's extremely interpersonal and counts online too.

>>8624399
They don't have to be arousing. Just go through them and ask which would feel comforting or validating as a woman. Whatever is important to you counts. you don't have to get turned on by it.

>>8624471
ok, then I don't get why feeling comforted or validated by those things means I'm a fetishist and not really trans. that idea feels so far from my lived experience

>>8624485
You're not a fetishist and you are really trans. Both those things are nasty misunderstandings spread by people who don't know what agp means. It's really harmful that they say that because it means people who know enough to recognize that they're agp but don't know the details end up thinking those things about themselves, when they shouldn't.

Agp is part of your sexuality, just like being gay or straight. It's not a fetish. Agps are trans. Four fifths of mtfs are agp. More agps don't transition, either because they don't have the opportunity or because they decide not to. Some of them might be better off transitioning, others get along without it.

The reason feeling that way is agp is that those things fulfill the agp part of what makes you happy and contented. The minority of mtfs who aren't agp, the hstses, feel differently and are trans in their own way. They aren't comforted by wearing female clothes for example, they wear them to fit in as women.

>>8624510
AGP is something between a fetish, paraphilia and sexuality, it's own thing.

AGP, if strong can cause all kinds of emotions and feelings.

There is no such thing as "really trans", it's all subjective experience and is "diagnosed" based on how people feel.

That being said, I'm all for people doing their own thing and transitioning if they want.

I just get annoyed by certain trans narratives.

All tranny science is pseudo-science, yes, including agp.
This is all we have, unfortunately. Probably all we'll ever have.

Most trannies just want to feel good.
AGP theory is a bit harsh and uncomfortable, of course it is, it's describing a mental health problem, what did you expect?
Mainstream tranny narrative just says:
"You're a real girl on the inside, just like other girls"

Tranny "science" has been influenced by liberal social sciences and MONEY.
If you say trannies are real girls, they will be more accepted.
If they are more accepted, there will be more transitioning.
Hormones and SRS industry can now flourish.
There's more to it, but you get the point.

>>8624552
>AGP is something between a fetish, paraphilia and sexuality, it's own thing.
It's not a fetish or a paraphilia. It's a sexuality but on a different axis to hetero/homo orientation.

>There is no such thing as "really trans", it's all subjective experience and is "diagnosed" based on how people feel.
That fits what I said.

>AGP theory is a bit harsh and uncomfortable, of course it is, it's describing a mental health problem, what did you expect?
It's only harsh in that it's tactual and it's only uncomfortable for people biased against it for their own internal reasons.

>Mainstream tranny narrative just says:
>"You're a real girl on the inside, just like other girls"
Which just doesn't hold up and is clear nonsense.

I know this is a dumb question, but
What do you guys think, how would mildly liberal atheist parents react to finding out their son has been taking skittles for a year?
They think gays and trannies are weird, but they don't hate them.
Btw, I'm that AGP that doesn't want to socially transition.

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>>8624873
you should know your parents better
but there is a world of difference between "we've seen trannies on TV and dont mind them" and " OMG our son is taking female hormones and turning into a freak"

Im not telling my parents and they might be the most pro-trans parents on this board

>>8624885
They do think trannies are freaks, but they don't mind them existing.

I don't want to socially transition, I'll still be their son, just with female hormones.
Maybe they would accept this better.

They already know that I'm a weirdo in many ways.
Maybe this wouldn't be too much.

>>8616336
>Would this ruin my life?

>I'm straight (= I want to have sexual relationships with women)
>should I make myself sterile and impotent?

>>8624918
I'm more AGP than regular straight.
I need to date freaky women.
Just sticking my hard dick in them doesn't do much for me.
I don't want to dominate them.
I want to cuddle with them and have them suck and lick my tiny limp dicc.

>>8623920
Aw thank you I kinda posted a pic in pass gen for fun. >>8623095

>>8625029
Are you on mones?

>>8624906
medication is a great concern even if you are not changing gender, I was on the fence for a very long time myself before I gave in
changing hormones is big deal with consequences it's not like changing clothes and haircut

>yo mom, can I borrow your proggy, I ran out of mine

>>8625042
lol is that even a question, they've been on mones for years

>>8625068
>changing hormones is big deal with consequences it's not like changing clothes and haircut
Of course it is, I'm not retarded.
Still, I hope it won't be such a huge deal for them.

Hey im interested in chatting to femboys etc.
My kik os Wishardt
:)

>>8625160
I understand you know how important it is for you cause I can relate, but I meant that from outside perspective
I mean they will only see the "strong meds with huge sideeffect" part and would be baffled and even shocked why a healthy boy would take them
if you could prepare them by expressing your desire to be more fem they will get used to it and wont be as shocked I think

>>8625220
>if you could prepare them by expressing your desire to be more fem they will get used to it and wont be as shocked I think
That's an interesting idea.
How do I express my desire to be more fem?
Shave my legs or something?
Wear more unisex stuff?

>>8625029

I think my theory is confirmed. I find it confusing that if you're that cute you don't get cuddles, though. Why?

>start crossdressing at 11
>grow horribly depressed in hs
>start diying at 18
>get sir'd ma'am'd pretty often
>use serms to remove tiddy
fem4lyfe

>>8625412
Real men grow boobs.
Learn2fem fgt.

>>8620756
>I just remembered. I often spend time with my 9yo male cousin.
>He is a boy, but he's not feminine at all.
If I look at pictures of my father when he was around that age, you see the same thing. He's very clearly masculine even before puberty.
If you look at pictures of me at that age, you get a very different impression!

>>8618935
Eat a dick, moralfag.

>>8625638
>If you look at pictures of me at that age, you get a very different impression!
And what exactly are you now? HSTS?

>>8625659
I'm fully transitioned androphile trans now.

>>8625706
When I was a young kid, I looked "gay".
Later, in puberty I got fat and became a neckbeard.

I'm that anatomic AGP from earlier in the thread.

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Can people tell if i'm a fag/trans/agp? I'm not on hrt yet or anything but i can tell people are thinking something about me when they see a skinnyfat guy with dem legs and butt, wearing full black oversized hoodies and with a ponytail

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>>8615210
>Well estrogen doesn't make up for being a lazy fucker and staying in a chair all the day while eating tons of shit.
dont shit on my life choices

>>8621640
>No more suicidal thoughts i guess or at least not killing myself for a time
heres something it took me a while to understand, i only recently came to grips with it myself. Dysphoria is a mental illness. Being trans isn't. Please, please, please at least try the medicine. You've sexualized it somewhat with the agp stuff but that's a normal if messy rationalization for somebody with male testosterone levels and a female brain.

Can you please just try the medicine? Even if you don't fully buy into the medicalist stance, just try them out for a little and see how you feel. hrt sorted out my psyche by giving me the estrogen I need to function.

>>8626005
Pseudoscience.

>>8625400
Aww thanks um
I mostly just hook up with guys lol I tried dating and it didn't work out but a lot of guys I fuck now days are completely "straight" so there's hang ups on
Kissing, cuddling, etc. evidently those are gay but fucking me in the ass is not lol

If you complete your male puberty, you're pretty much guaranteed to become a hon.

All hons are goofy-ass looking, It would feel so bad to be one.
This is why I'm considering to be some sort of a femboy or some shit.

>>8626123
My male puberty was shit then 'cuz at 18 i looked like a beta girly guy and after 6 months on hrt people misgender me sometimes when i wear neutral clothes. (I identify as male)

>>8626156
Why do you take hrt?

>>8626210
I don't want to age as a man and to have male features but i literally don't have dysphoria anywhere else to be trans or to care enough about it.

>>8626239
How do people finally decide to take the leap?
I always worry if this is a big mistake.

>>8626276
i'm exactly the same as >>8626239
i intended to repress but broke down at 24 after the first signs of actually starting to age like a man

>>8626098

Relationships can suck but the good ones blow hooking up completely out of the water. I'm a big fan of comfy shit, and there is very little as comfy as waking up with someone who loves you having brought you a cup of tea. Platonic hugs and cuddles is pretty great too, although you need the right kind of friends.

And ugh, ''''straight'''' guys. Is your area super bad or do you get some kind of kick out of them being closeted?

>>8626282
>>8626239
How did you two feel after starting hrt? Can you keep your life like you did before, like if literally nothing changed externally?

>>8626282
And what did you do? Start self-medding?
Do you have boobs?

>>8626383
yeah
only tiny ones, even after 10 months
barely visible under a t shirt

What shoud i take that wont shrink completly my penis?

>>8626402
Any side effects or problems?
What exactly do you take and how much?

>>8626412
i take 200 mg spiro and 4 mg progynova
all changes have been about on schedule
no problems or side-effects besides having to pee more often from spiro

>>8626424
I'm actually getting memed into it. It seems so simple.

>>8626457
definitely research the full effects and possible complications before doing anything
you can most likely take them for a couple of months with no permanent effects, depending on how fast your tits grow, which varies for everyone

>>8614831
Been on hormones for 3 years, I cant day I've had much in the way of mental changes.

Im at standard female levels too, so... idk

>>8626471
I've already done research, but I should do more, just in case.

Many recommend to get really skinny before hrt and then get a bit chubby after a couple of months.
This will all go to feminine fat distribution.

>>8626507
it might take a bit longer than a few months but yeah that's pretty much how it works, especially because you will probably gain weight after starting hrt

>>8626573
What if I lose acces to skittles (a website shuts down or something)?
I know 3 websites
>qhi
>inhouse
>adc
Only adc ships to where I live.
Are there more sites available?
What if adc shuts down?

>>8626611
idk
i order from qhi, which has been around for two decades, i doubt it's just going away any time soon
i haven't looked that much into hrt sources, but i think where there's demand, there will probably be supply

>>8626285
I'm really into romance like before reaching turbo slut levels I used to gush over be held, kissed intimately (really like kissing one of my femboi exs made me cum from kissing him) craved make out sessions, would lay out in a field with my bf and just gaze at the stars while holding onto him.

Yeah I live in a horrible area desu my last fuck is literally right down the street from me and won't make eye contact when we see each other in the store he kissed me too so I kinda hoped for more. A lot of the gay guys in my area are rednecks or yasss queen types that aren't even fem.

I'm also incredibly promiscuous I really hate that about myself tho I'd never cheat I do find myself in hook ups more than anything.

I'm a big introvert too so that doesn't help and kinda damaged goods don't even want to recount all the guys who have sexually abused me. Despite all that I'm actually really into romance cheesy stuff like a candle lit dinner with an intimate bubble bath after make me really happy. I like cooking meals for my partners and sitting inside cuddling while watching anime together. Instead what I get is be tossed against a wall and having my brains fucked out I must like give off this broken slut aura cause I swear to god guys that have daughters and shit end up fucking me. Oh and alcohol makes me even more slutty.

>>8625042
Yeah been a about three years now on them.

>>8625068
People around here know me too well lol

>>8626784

I feel a bit sad for you, dude. Sounds like you're living a lifestyle that's not really the one you want? I assure you, there's really lots of guys out there that like nice things and aren't abusive shitcunts or closeted. Maybe if you can move out of that area you can find one?

>damaged goods

If you believe this strongly enough, it's like blood in the water for assholes. I've got/had friends who had this going on it's sickeningly real.

>>8627046
>Sounds like you're living a lifestyle that's not really the one you want?

I am actually pretty miserable with it but I can't really stop like the amount of out guys here are so small. I do want to move to like key west or Miami. I also have boi boobs I'm okay with them even think they look cute but most gay guys are not down with that. I really want to meet a nice guy tho would be nice.

>If you believe this strongly enough, it's like blood in the water for assholes.

Shit I really do being introverted and having panic attacks, flash backs, hyper sexuality, low self esteem, bdd lot a fun right throw in a bdsm kink as a sub which lots of abusive dudes enjoy.

>I've got/had friends who had this going on it's sickeningly real

Did they get over it at all? I'm really worried this will stay my reality.

>>8627162

It really sounds like it isn't worth it, emotionally, to keep just hooking up. If you try to find people through non-grindr/hookup channels, maybe you could find a nice guy even where you live? But I know that out in the boonies the worthwhile guys tend to just.. leave.

>panic attacks, flash backs, hyper sexuality, low self esteem, bdd lot a fun right throw in a bdsm kink as a sub which lots of abusive dudes enjoy.

That sounds.. familiar. People taking advantage of subs enrages me as I like to top sometimes and abusing that kind of trust makes me deeply angry. But the rest of it fits with people I know who were caught in that kind of cycle.

>Did they get over it at all? I'm really worried this will stay my reality.

When they did, it was because they realized what was going on and made an effort to change it - or they found someone who changed it for them.

Otherwise.. I tend to lose contact with people like this. They change a lot, usually, from living with that kind of thing going on. I don't think it's a happy or good way to live life.

>>8627236
>It really sounds like it isn't worth it, emotionally, to keep just hooking up.

It's definitely not I'm 28 so the twink that fucks around isn't so popular now. I really do need to look for a lasting connection.

>If you try to find people through non-grindr/hookup channels

Ironically I met my last FB that left scratches all over my back and utterly destroyed me on OkCupid of all places.

>People taking advantage of subs enrages me.

Your a really sweet guy that I can definitely tell. It makes me sad that there are doms out there that do abuse that trust cause being dominated is a huge kink for a lot of people and they deserve better more guys like you desu.

>When they did, it was because they realized what was going on and made an effort to change i

Maybe I'm at that point this may sound pathetic anon but your the first person I've ever said this kinda stuff too I hope this last experience can help me make better choices.

>or they found someone who changed it for them.

That would be the dream a sexy guy to help me overcome my internal conflicts and make me a better guy.

>>8627301

What kind of lifestyle suits you isn't just determined by age. Decide to pursue a relationship - or not - based on what you want, not what people would expect of from your age/looks/social status. Sometimes the path of least resistance doesn't lead where you want to go. And I realize i'm saying that to a sub.

>Your a really sweet guy that I can definitely tell.

Thanks.

> It makes me sad that there are doms out there that do abuse that trust cause being dominated is a huge kink for a lot of people and they deserve better

They definitely do. People deserve happiness, whatever form that takes, all people to whatever degree that is possible, forever.

>Maybe I'm at that point this may sound pathetic anon but your the first person I've ever said this kinda stuff too I hope this last experience can help me make better choices.

Maybe it can, man. I don't think you were far from figuring this - or something like this - out on your own. But it always helps to be able to get it out in words.

I'm glad I managed to help you get this stuff out though. And it's not pathetic at all. Things like this are confusing, for everyone.

>That would be the dream

Someone to love, and be loved by, can do amazing things.

I'm going to step out, but i'm at [email protected] if you want to keep talking about this.

>>8626831
Can you give us a boymode pic?

>>8625068
>big deal with consequences not like changing clothes
Is there more to it than losing male fertility and irreversible boob fat or am i missing something?

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>>8628469
I double this question before the thread dies. Besides infertility, ED, and boob growth, what are the bad side effects?

Not including health problems (liver and kidney failure for example) because it's either skittles or alcohol abuse.

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>>8628469
>fell for the skittles meme
>infertile, no kids ever

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>>8628733
>Wanting to waste your life taking care of a little piece of shit and treat it like your greatest work then watch it end up on 4chan, drugs or as a sjw activist while you've wasted your glorious youth to feed a screaming ugly thing that you BELIEVED you had control over before it arrive at home late and with a junkie boyfriend called J.C

If i realize skittles are a meme and i should stay male (but i don't want to be male or manly, aaaaaaaaaaaa) i'll get a vasectomy to make sure i won't impregnate someone. Can't take the risk.

>>8628754
The image you used is very ironic.

Yes, the risks you mentioned are real.
This is why you should homeschool your children and know what you're doing.

You should definitely get that vasectomy, you're doing the world a favor.

>>8628686
There's a 3rd option buddy

>>8628788
>This is why you should homeschool your children
How will that help unless you're locking them in the house 24/7?

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>>8628788
>The image you used is very ironic.
Congrats for understanding it pal

>This is why you should homeschool your children and know what you're doing.
>Believing your kid won't end up fucked by constant contact with the world throught the internet or social interactions
What would you do, prevent your kids from leaving the house and don't let them use the computer?
Good thing you're infertile, their life would suck.

>>8628819
You can live on a farm and/or give a very good example that they will tend to follow.

>>8628815
kms? okay

>>8628686 >>8628469
minor brain degradation, muscle loss, lower motivation and energy (mental and of course physical)
but you'll feel better if were depressed or low T already

various AAs have various nasty side effects, like depression, see wiki

make sure to take vitamins and do blood tests

>>8628819 >>8628823

it wont help, huge (and crucial for kids development) part of school is socialization, just make sure they are in a good school

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>mfw want to be cute agp femboy and wanna do hrt
>mfw I'm 18 and barely even a twink
>mfw I'd probably fuck myself up and get tits without ever getting close to femboy status
>mfw I can never be agp femboy

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>>8628850
>iktf
fucking genetic lottery. im not deluded enough to believe hrt is magic and will melt my jawline and brow ridge. i just want to be a femboy i dont want ffs ;-;

>>8628834
>vitamins
Nothing with potassium if you're on spiro.

>>8628834
> brain degradation
Source? Cause that sounds kind of spook.

>>8628834
I don't feel like my depression is exactly related to gender and things like that (may be related to BDD), this means i have even higher chances to stay depressed with cypro or feel even worse?

>>8628862
I just want tits, nice ass, feminine legs and soft skin.
For me it is magic.

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>>8627797
I'll have to message you later on but thanks for letting me drunken vent I was feeling pretty low about myself. Is it okay if I message you later?

>>8627809
Sure why not probably should have posted that first lol.

>>8629532
Nice. I'll probably end up looking something like this.
Do you have boobs?
Can you post some more pics, please?
Different angles or something, body too.
I wanna get inspired and also see how can this work out.
How do people treat you?
Do they ask weird questions?

I'm not sure about taking skittles.
Would taking any supplements give me a taste of what hrt might be like?
Just a little at least?

Pueraria mirifica seems to be pretty cheap, would taking large doses of it give me any effects?

Are there any other supplements that I can try out?

What should I look for in such a supplement?

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>>8629558

Um I hope you look better than me lol I'm 28. Started at 23

>Do you have boobs?

Yes I do they are smoll a cups tho

>How do people treat you?

Fuckbuddies treat me like shit but everyone else I know is super sweet to me I frequently find people thinking I'm several years younger than I am. I'm hoping this continues after ffs.

>Do they ask weird questions?
A little girl asked me if I was a girl once it was pretty funny.

>Can you post some more pics, please?

Sure why not but I'm not sure how to post multiple pics on here we can't link imgur anymore right? Here's my butt to start lol

>>8630834
>Um I hope you look better than me lol I'm 28. Started at 23
It's hard to compare now, but I think I will look at least decent on hrt.
>I'm hoping this continues after ffs.
Aren't you concerned you may not pass as male after ffs? Or is that what you're going for?
>A little girl asked me if I was a girl once it was pretty funny.
And what did you say to her?
>Sure why not but I'm not sure how to post multiple pics on here we can't link imgur anymore right?
Idk, but you can split the link in half, that should do it.
>Here's my butt to start lol
Nice, very inspiring.

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63KB, 583x401px

>>8630879
>Aren't you concerned you may not pass as male after ffs?

I don't see that happening my voice is really deep. So as long as I speak no chance of that.

>And what did you say to her?
I said no but I am a fairy and got her back to her parents.

My other pics are kinda lewd. Keep in mind I'm a literal skeleton

>>8631100
I've already seen some of your pics.
Still, post moar pls.

>>8631233
https://a.pomf.cat/cyhkfx.JPG

https://a.pomf.cat/dgarcw.JPG Warning butt

https://a.pomf.cat/gtnkmc.JPG

https://a.pomf.cat/hbjigv.PNG

https://a.pomf.cat/fuvmho.PNG

https://a.pomf.cat/ciybtx.JPG

https://a.pomf.cat/utuhnd.JPG For anyone who's been saying I'm trans last time I checked trans girls don't post cawk.

>>8631359
How do you feel about your cawk?
Do you like it as it is?