I am pretty much a straight dude for the most part but for some

>>8593479
>but for some reason I really enjoy self inserting as the girl in porn.
AGP >>8585412

>Am I gay?
It's called meta-attraction or pseudo-bisexuality.

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>>8593504
>there is a fucking general for this

Dear god.

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>Am I gay if I like girls?

The fucking retards on this board I swear to God

You don't get off from looking at a man. You don't see a man's face and think that you want to kiss it and taste it. You don't want a man to hold you close and comfort you. You don't want to run your hands through a man's hair or feel his muscles.

You get off to girls, you get off to their bodies, you get off to them being fucked, you get off to the pleasure they feel, the degradation they experience etc. Your sexuality is 100% focused on the GIRL

>am i gay tho?
Fucking moron

>>8593511
Enjoy! xD

>>8593522
Nigga are telling me wanting to get raped by a bunch of horny guys pinning me down and forcing me to swallow their cum is straight?

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>>8593479
this is what happens when you become a porn addict
it's your own damn fault

>>8593479
Well see 6ou in 6 months when you start posting about your hormone regimen.

>>8593533
If you need to consider it gay or straight, yes it's straight. AGP is exactly a guy's fantasy. All that's changed is the erotic target: you become the girl.

>>8593538
>porn causes AGP
When will this meme die?

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>>8593544
This is not fair, someone should have warned me.

>>8593550
Do you watch porn with no girls in it? Do fap to hentai with no females in it at all?

Didn't think so you fucking retard

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>>8593552
Just let it happen you'll feel better.

>>8593560
Meant to reply to >>8593533 so I guess I'm the dummy

The point is that you get off to a girl being fucked. That is what straight people get off to, now fuck off

welp
time to buy some girl pills and transition
you can grow the cute little titties you've always wanted

sorry OP

>>8593479
You're AGP baby.

>>8593550
>wanting to be fucked anally by men
>yes it's straight.

wew lads

>>8593583
>lads

>>8593479
i have the same thoughts and feelings, except im mtf trans

>>8593479
>Am I gay?
yes.
you really need to come out to your parents and tell this to them.

>>8594130
>except i transitioned
ftfy

No, you're not gay. It's a ravishment/rape fantasy. Most people have them. Some straight men imagine being raped by a woman, but maybe you find that too silly to get off to, or maybe dominant women turn you off. If you're not attracted to me, a gay rape fantasy wouldn't be any good for you. That basically leaves you self-inserting into an attractive female.

You're straight, fantasy is confusing sometimes, nothing else to be said here.

>>8594483
*attracted to MEN

I hate trying to proofread in this dinky text box.

>>8594489
>If you're not attracted to [men], a gay rape fantasy wouldn't be any good for you. That basically leaves you self-inserting into an attractive female.
Except that the sexual partner either way is a man.

Inserting as the girl you're attracted to is something very specific and not just some added details to certain ravishment fantasies.

>>8594673
The difference is that a gay ravishment fantasy has no women at all, and a straight one contains a woman. I think I explained pretty clearly why it matters less who the sexual partner is.

>>8594719
>Inserting as the girl you're attracted to is something very specific and not just some added details to certain ravishment fantasies.

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>>8593544
tfw finally started hrt only because of agp
tfw its waaay too late and I will never be a sexy bimbo lusted by men
tfw typing this makes me hard

>>8594832
They need to release like a public emergency announcement warning people of agp

>>8594841
they need to research a therapy to un-AGP us

>>8594851
Probably impossible. I had agp thoughts when I was so young it's just crazy.
It'd straight up be easier to do a brain transplant than to fix this shit probably. It's one hell of a mind disorder.

>>8593522
Hmmmm but i'm definitely gay and i get off on female degredation... as long as theres no penis in vagina sex to look at. Are you saying i'm bi because i can enjoy porn centered on a woman?

I mean i mainly like gay porn... but many of my kinks involve women.

>>8594861
Its stupid, Im not trans I only wish I could be a hot girl in sex, and I live in conservative place I cant do silly shit like being drag

>>8593522
>want a man to hold you close and comfort you. You don't want to run your hands through a man's hair or feel his muscles.
w-what if i do but only if Im a girl?

>>8594893
>Its stupid, Im not trans I only wish I could be a hot girl in sex, and I live in conservative place I cant do silly shit like being drag
Sometimes it helps to find another guy that lets you dressup for him. For some people that's all they really need to satisfy their agp stuff, for others they might want to fully transition. Largely depends on how you feel about your body. Some people that are dysphoric don't like crossdressing if it magnifies their mannish features though so it doesn't always work.
It's certainly easier to satisfy your fetish if you're gay, cause very few women are accepting of crossdressers.

>>8594861
What thoughts and how young?

>disorder
: (

>>8594929
Just always was obsessed with girls clothes, generally had long hair for the majority of my childhood except when parents forced me to cut it, and whenever I thought of how I wanted to look I always tried to model myself after how girls look. I think it weirded everyone out cause my parents did try and man me up, but then I just became a turbo autist computer nerd so that failed lol

>>8594940
And yeah I did this shit even before I have recollections of actually doing it. I've just heard stories of what I did from my sister who's 5 years older than me. Plus I've seen pics of me while young with long hair and my parents seemed to tolerate me doing girly shit while young up until a certain age. Even have pics of me crossdressing when I was like pre-10 years old and such. But I don't have much memory of anything that's like before 12-13 years old, I kind of repressed hard and did a lot of drugs, absolutely nuked my memories and I barely remember anything pre-18 even.

>>8594885
What's appealing about centering on a woman? What kinks? Do you insert as her? How do you know you are gay and not bi?

>>8594832
>tfw finally started hrt only because of agp
"AGP doesn't cause transsexuality", they said!

>>8594940
>>8594963
How did you model yourself after girls and weird people out, besides crossdressing?

What did they do to man you up besides cutting your hair?

>I kind of repressed hard and did a lot of drugs, absolutely nuked my memories and I barely remember anything pre-18 even.
Sad...

>>8595054
I was just super autistic as a kid. Always tried to get my parents to buy me girls clothes like I didn't even understand wtf I was doing. Would ask for girls haircuts in public which made my parents freakout. I did a lot more apparently according to my sister cause she says I used to ask if it was possible to switch to being a girl and such.
My parents tried to get me into sports and whatever else but once I started getting into computers they realized I was at worst doomed to being a nerdy outcast and they left me alone after that and I then just crossdressed in secret and rp'd as a girl online lol
At least they let me grow my hair out and stuff and I could do some of my normal gay stuff like watching sailor moon and anime but they still weren't exactly happy about it but they didn't want to seem like horrible parents by stopping me from doing it, I figured they were just hoping I'd grow out of it.

>>8594764
So you're retarded, then?

I didn't ever say it was "just a few details" added to a ravishment fantasy. But AT THE CORE, that is what this is - a ravishment fantasy.

Look, how fucking hard is this? If you are otherwise totally unattracted to [sex], and only ever imagine fucking [sex] within a specific scenario, then the thing which you are deriving the erotic satisfaction from IS THE FUCKING SCENARIO, not [sex].

From that point on, all the "AGP" tards on here are projecting their own reasons for self-insert fantasies onto the OP. He may or may not share those reasons. It's irrelevant to HIS SEXUAL ORIENTATION, which is clearly still oriented towards women.

To try to make this more clear...thanks to being molested as a kid, I self-insert as a child into adult/child fantasies. I am not a pedophile, nor am I attracted to pedophiles. I am getting off on the SCENARIO. Does it make it clearer to use an example that's not about gender, or did I just set myself up for a bunch of derailing and "have a seat over there" memes?

This board, I swear.

>>8594963
Sounds like you were a trans-kid which is more common for HSTS

>>8595028
It doesn't and no one knows what comens first. but what else can you do? Everyone says HRT is the only 'treatment'

>>8595163
>It doesn't
different anon here, after being on estrogen for a little bit I realized how much I loved it and loved how it was changing me both physically and mentally
it definitely does sexually excite me to have boobs and curvy legs but when I wear a bra it doesn't arouse me anymore, wearing female clothes doesn't arouse me anymore

it also made me very attracted to men in a not meta and not pseudo way...very genuine romantic and physical to men's faces and men's bodies
so idk it kinda cured me, I feel more comfortable expression my sexuality than I used to and have a stronger sense of identity and who I am

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>>8595197
estrogen definitely makes you feel good and lower t makes you more calm

god I want this so much but I'll be an uggo hon and I dont want to socially transition

and my identity is allover the place I dont feel like a proper man and of course Im not a woman

>>8595284
Same.

>>8593538
>>8593550
For me AGP activated the moment I starting reading porno mags. I saw girls having sex with each other and I wanted to be a lesbian. It didnt take years of masturbation to achieve this it was immediate. Transvestic fetishism and pseudo bi followed soon after.

>>8593479
You have an image of what your ideal woman is and want to express it. You lack a real woman to do this for you, to be humilated and totally dominated, to resist, struggle, and ultimatly lose. So you take the image upon yourself. It's the only really way for the fantasy to express itself.

If you prefer it take another path just find a woman and get kinky with her. You'll probably find because it is a real woman and not a fantasy it will take much less severe things to satisfy you. In other words you will not want her to be literally raped, you might get off just on pulling her hair and slapping her around a bit.

>>8596172
Isn't that just like every cis straight dude though? Like they all seem to go through the "I wanna be a hot lesbian chick" phase for lulz

>>8596274
Dunno I thought normie boys identify with the Chads penetrating the Stacies.

>>8596310
Well depends how intense you get with it I guess

>>8596274
>Like they all seem to go through the "I wanna be a hot lesbian chick" phase

BS

>>8596274
kek, you're fucking stupid

Kuro is cute.

>>8596274
[citation needed]

>>8597959
Who's Kuro?

>>8593479
source for the scene?

>>8593538
I am not OP but I had these feelings before starting to watch porn

>>8598217
Literally read the fucking OP, moron.

>>8598238
This.

>>8593479
You're a straight man. There is a lot of stigma and internalized phobia for men that limits what they think is acceptable male behavior. Actually looking at big dicks and having wild fantasies of cuckoldry and gender swapping is a typical straight male pattern.

>>8598354
>gender swapping is a typical straight male pattern
What did she mean by this?

>>8601752
>she

>>8603391
?

Esl here, kinda same problem of OP
i'm 19 and i've been feeling desire for cock for 2 years, but i decided to act upon those desires and had two encounters with random guys, both times felt awful afterwards, but only after i ejaculated
Thing is, i want more gay sex , but i know i'm gonna feel like shit after i cum, my theory is that this is because there wasn't emotional connection between me and them and i basically just used them as living dildos
Another thing is that my physical attraction to men started developing just after these experiences and i've been kind of convencing myself that i'm bisexual since then
>I am not attracted to men but for some reason the idea of being a beautiful weak woman that a bunch of horny stronger guys take advantage of turns me on
That's how all started and i also like crossdressing and now when i fap i need to put something in my ass everytime, it's also worth mentioning that i was a heavy porn user , i stopped in hopes it disappears but it doesn't
Should I seek help or is this a natural transition into bisexuality and i should just stop random hookups and find a bf?

>>8593522
>You don't see a man's face and think that you want to kiss it and taste it. You don't want a man to hold you close and comfort you. You don't want to run your hands through a man's hair or feel his muscles.

>tfw no one will ever feel your muscles or run their hands through your hair

thanks for the feels anon

>>8603543
What you describe is AGP. See more here >>8599317

I think the reason guys appeal to you less after you cum is because you feel less feminine then, and they only appeal while you feel feminine. I expect a relationship could fix that, but so could feeling more feminine about yourself in general even when you aren't turned on.

Basically it's like the disgust crossdressers can get that leads them to purge and throw everything away.

>it's also worth mentioning that i was a heavy porn user , i stopped in hopes it disappears but it doesn't
As you explore your sexuality with porn you can find the AGP, but it was there already, so stopping porn wouldn't get rid of it.

>Should I seek help or is this a natural transition into bisexuality
AGPs are naturally capable of being bi this way.

>and i should just stop random hookups and find a bf?
Up to you!

>>8603584
Thank you so much, you're the best!
>I think the reason guys appeal to you less after you cum is because you feel less feminine then, and they only appeal while you feel feminine
This actually makes sense
>but so could feeling more feminine about yourself in general even when you aren't turned on.
Sounds about right but how?
>Basically it's like the disgust crossdressers can get that leads them to purge and throw everything away.
I also don't feel like dressing as a woman when i'm not horny
So what's the next step for agps ? Should I just live with it or is there any cure?
I don't mind living as a bisexual guy but transitioning or crossdressing in public are not options

>>8603794
>Sounds about right but how?
I don't know. Try different things. Crossdressing more in private might help but I think the best shot is to try relating to people in a feminine way. Perhaps hanging out with a guy you like and having him treat you like you're his girlfriend or at least the fem guy of the two of you. Basically, start getting that feeling of femininity and likely submissiveness to appear before sex happens. Then you'll get the mindset and be able to keep it even after sex. Bingo, being able to have a boyfriend and not feel gross!

The reason it works like this is because you're not gay. It's heterosexuality flipped so you're the girl. If you can't feel like the girl, then it feels gay and that's not what AGPs are into.

>I also don't feel like dressing as a woman when i'm not horny
Normal for AGPs.

>So what's the next step for agps ? Should I just live with it or is there any cure?
There's no one next step. Some AGPs don't even go for guys and prefer feeling lesbian with girls. It's not the kind of thing that can be cured, because it's part of your sexuality, so find the way of living with it that works for you!

>I don't mind living as a bisexual guy but transitioning or crossdressing in public are not options
If you only like crossdressing when you're horny and don't mind being a guy socially, then transition isn't for you. Keep alert though, because AGP feelings can change and you can feels dysphoria eventually that you don't have now. If so, look at the pros and cons of transition again.

Unless that happens though, being a bisexual guy who keeps the crossdressing to the bedroom should work fine!

>>8603935
Man, thanks again, i think you hit the nail on the head with your advice
You're like a prophet , you should give proffesional advice, i truly appreciate it :)

>>8603995
Haha, thank you. It's just what I've learned myself. It's not too rare but it's really obscure and there's no good place to find other AGPs in situations where they'll reveal it. It just happens occasionally on LGBT sites. So talking about it and sharing advice like this is tricky.

That's why the AGP general on /lgbt/ is good, because there'll always be people there with shared experiences. As you explore your sexuality, report back and see how other AGPs differ or are in common with you.

>>8603935
Not the person your replying to, but this is great advice. I'm an early 30s AGP who's been trying to ignore or supress his condition for years.

Still pseudo bi sometimes. I notice I have legit gyandromorphilic attraction and am starting to find non trap twinks cute. I can feel attraction to masc dudes in porn when i'm horny in a strictly pseudo bi way. I've been experiencing pseudo bi for over 15 years and used to feel really bad about it.

I can live as a guy ok but sometimes I feel a strong urge to crossdress.

>>8605228
Ikr i think his advice it's perfect
He got totally right that the more femenine i feel the more i like being with a guy, which is why my ultimate fantasy these days is having sex while wearing a sundress and listening to California Gurls
>Still pseudo bi sometimes. I notice I have legit gyandromorphilic attraction
I'm new to the whole AGP thing , what do you mean by this ? and what is gyandromorphilic attraction exactly, is it related to agp ?
>I can live as a guy ok but sometimes I feel a strong urge to crossdress
I can relate so hard to this

>>8606387
Pseudo bi is being attracted to men because being attracted to them they make you feel like a woman, not because your physically attracted to them like a gay man. Gyandromorphilia or GAMP involves being attracted to traps and trannies, male-female hybrids in other words.

For me pseudo bi creates visual attraction to men when im horny. I only experience it through porn as I try to be repressed in the real world.