Does Elagabalus prove that lgbt are unfit to rule?

>>8546470
No, she proves HSTSs are.

>>8546470
He was an agp hon so it doesn't count

Why did she eat little boys' dicks and sacrifice them?

>>8546476
>>8546477
sigh

>ywn be the ruler of the roman empire
>ywn have an abusive slave as a husband who beats you around
>ywn chew licquorice root and drink pregnant mares urine
>ywn instruct surgeons on how to perform SRS

>>8546487
He crossdressed and tried to seduce guards, plus he demanded people find a way to give him a vagina. Pretty clear signs of agp.

>>8546476
I'm pretty sure this could've been from an AGP erotica:
> Finally, he set aside a room in the palace and there committed his indecencies, always standing nude at the door of the room, as the harlots do, and shaking the curtain which hung from gold rings, while in a soft and melting voice he solicited the passers-by. There were, of course, men who had been specially instructed to play their part. For, as in other matters, so in this business, too, he had numerous agents who sought out those who could best please him by their foulness. He would collect money from his patrons and give himself airs over his gains; he would also dispute with his associates in this shameful occupation, claiming that he had more lovers than they and took in more money.

>>8546503
She was overtly feminine and couldn't stay in the closet. HSTS.

>demanded people find a way to give him a vagina
HSTSs are the genitally avoidant.

>>8546503
Yeah history is pretty clear on this

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>Elagabalus took the throne at the ripe old age of 14, and immediately indulged his most sordid, depraved fantasies and desires. He was a man, yes, but wanted dearly to be a woman, and offered gargantuan sums of money to the physician who could turn him into one for real.

>Until then, he enjoyed cross-dressing, and whored himself out to common men in whorehouses throughout Rome, wearing female disguises and facial makeup. He even solicited men in the Imperial Palace, standing completely naked in the doorway of his favorite bedroom and purring at every passerby, even his Praetorian Guards.

>He confided to the head of the Guard that he would like to castrate himself, and asked what the most painful method would be, cutting, crushing, or cooking on open coals. He had hundreds, perhaps thousands, of affairs with men and women while he was married to a Vestal virgin, which was a serious outrage among Romans.

Seems cut and dry

>>8546565
and he didn't even need the internet or sissy porn

>>8546565
I really like this emperor

>>8546595
What about sporus, the emporers original femboy gf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporus
>Nero had Sporus castrated,[a] and during their marriage, Nero had Sporus appear in public as his wife wearing the regalia that was customary for Roman empresses

>>8546605
Sporus kept chasing emperor dick after Nero's 'death' didn't he?

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>>8546565

>To add insult to injury, Emperor Elagabalus built a temple to Elagabal on Palatine Hill, had himself circumcised, and then forced the senators to watch while he danced around the altar of his god. He moved the sacred relics of the Roman religion to the temple of Elagabal that he’d constructed, so that all Romans had to worship Elagabal if they wanted to worship anyone else. According to Cassius Dio, a contemporary, Elagabalus was often thrashed by his lovers, and bore the marks on his body.

>As time wore on, his court began to see just how much the young ruler lacked prudence. He tried to have his lover, charioteer Hierocles, declared Caesar, and appointed another lover, athlete Aurelius Zoticus, to an influential position in his court.

>Upon his assassination attempt, he made an attempt to flee, and would have got away somewhere by being placed in a chest, had he not been discovered and slain, at the age of 18. His mother, who embraced him and clung tightly to him, perished with him; their heads were cut off and their bodies, after being stripped naked, were first dragged all over the city, then the mother’s body was cast aside somewhere or other while his was thrown into the Tiber.

>“Elagabalus abandoned himself to the grossest pleasures and ungoverned fury.” – Edward Gibbon

>>8546661
>tfw no emperor chaser bf

>>8546470
Do most historical leaders prove that straight people are unfit to rule ?

>>8546661
I think he killed himself

>>8546685
He did a little while after to escape being part of a gladiatorial reenactment, but I mean the period of time before that and after Nero died where Sporus supposedly tried seducing a runner up for the throne.

>>8546470
Just think of Caesar (no children and the time he spent with Nicomedes of Bithynia) and Alexander the great for successful gay rulers.

>>8546665
>>8546565
Also, the stories about Elag are likely untrue. Romans had a tendency to say that men were women when they didn't like them and unfortunately for Elag there was no-one to tell his side of the story once be was removed. Don't the things you are reciting sound a little extreme, you know like gossip that got out of hand and was built upon by historians 200 years after teh event?

Look at what the Roman historians wrote about Ashurbanipal of Assyria; "More effeminate than a woman" then look at how every civilization next to the Assyrians portrayed him, a giant man smiting and torturing people for fun. Disconnection? I think so.

>>8546820
>Don't the things you are reciting sound a little extreme


Not for someone in his/her position living in that cultural climate, no.

>>8546665
>it was ultimately all his fag-enabler mom's fault and she stuck with little Vicarious Living to the end
Why does this seem so familiar?

>>8546820
>Just think of Caesar (no children and the time he spent with Nicomedes of Bithynia) and Alexander the great for successful gay rulers.
They weren't gay, you idiot. Neither of them was. Caesar's soldiers would make fun of him for his giant appetite for women.

>>8548231
Oh please, both are well known to have had relationships with males. Maybe bi is more accurate but still, they slept with men.

Sorry to damage your frail sense of sexuality.

>>8546470

Daenerys is bi in the books.

itt: invalidation of arguments

>>8546470
Hadrian the jewslayer is a proof that gay men can be good rulers. But yeah, hons are just the worst.

>>8548230

>little Vicarious Living

What?

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>>8548421
In ancient Rome there was nothing like
>gay
>bi
>hetero
None of these. People just happened to sleep with others without calling themselves lgbt. You could have wife and kids then go out with your friend and sleep with him, nobody would gave a fuck, really. In ancient times, before Christ people influences times were more chill for ppl like us.

>>8546565
>he would like to castrate himself, and asked what the most painful method would be
>and asked what the most painful method would be
WHAT

>>8549716
I've considered similar questions.

t. apotemnophile

>>8549746
What exactly have you asked yourself that's like that?

>>8549746
That's not the issue though, the issue is he specifically asked for the most painful way. It reeks of sadomasochist fetishism.
If he were trans he'd ask for the least painful way.

Maybe I'm overthinking it though as the original quote is obviously old and has been translated multiple times.

>>8549887
>masochists can't be trans

>>8549634
And your point is? You do understand that the whole point I raised was that they men that slept with males, right?

Or are you illiterate?

>>8548421
>they weren't gay, you idiot
>oh please, they were clearly both bi
>sorry to damage your fragile blah-di-blah
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, you're retarded. Bi is literally "not gay", isn't it? When Anon said neither of them was gay, presumably this was exactly what he was referring to, that they were both bi, and therefore not gay? Do you think this is the GLGT board?

>>8549611
I think he's suggesting that his mother wanted a girl/had munchausen proxy syndrome and was the one who indulged and encouraged him in all his degenerate trash behavior thus ultimately causing his death as a teenager.

>>8549887
>I think anon's suggesting that *he* would also get off on doing it and having it be as painful as possible.

I know this is a bait thread but

Augustus

>>8550538
>*he*

>>8550511
You are both really fragile aren't you?

Gay is gay, bi is gay, lesbian is gay, it's all to some varying degree homosexual.

Honestly this board should just be called GT because gay indicates any variation of homosexuality and transgender is a separate thing all to itself.

If you fuss over labels then the board should be called LGBPTTTQIAAABFb and why give a damn about all the letters when we can just say GAY or queer...

>>8546820
lgbt fragility: the post

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>>8546470
No, it only proves that people who are or like trans are unfit to rule or at least quite mentally unstable (Nero married a castrated man who resembled his wife and that was the transitioning of that age), instead gay men and specially bottoms make perfect rulers, see pic Friedrich II the great of Prussia

>>8552520
Actually this desu

Ludwig II of Bavaria spent a bit more than he should have building gay dreamhouses but still one of the greatest of all time

Trannies though are just too delusional and insane to ever actually work with reality