Are trans mtf lesbians anything other than predatory males?

Straight trans woman here.

It really does seem like most like ~90% of transbians act like guys and its really disgusting. I posted my pic on a couple of trans subreddits and a couple of old hon transbians were acting like creepy men. Used the words "mmmm" and said "you're such a babe". These also weren't just regular cis guys who found the trans subreddits, they had they're old hon pics up for everyone to see,

>>8530046
yikes, transbians always rubbed me the wrong way.

>>8530046
Wouldn't that just mean that you and other hons act like guys and are creepy? It seems like hon status and narcissism is the defining traits.

>>8530046
Now I kind of wonder if the people that have made creepy comments on my pics are transbian hons, I always thought they were just creepy chasers lol

>>8529890
I'm bi but not because I have no preference. I just am so lonely if someone likes me I don't care what they are.

>>8530071
How are chasers creepy if you're the one posting pics?

>>8530088
that is known as "buysexual" because you usually have to pay for companionship

>>8530059
>Wouldn't that just mean that you and other hons act like guys and are creepy? It seems like hon status and narcissism is the defining traits.

No idea what you're trying to imply exactly. I did nothing wrong I posted a selfie asking for makeup advice and some transbian more than twice my age, with divorced wife and kids hitting on me. It doesn't feel like another girl hitting on me it feels like a creepy old guy. I'm not they are a creepy old guy, it just feels like that.

>>8529890
Cis lesbian here, they're about the same level as a cis bi woman. So not the most wanted, but not
100% trash.

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>>8530046

>>8530095
make up advice, not a random "Let me take a selfie on the toilet" pic

>>8530095
People can post pics for whatever reasons they want. Sometimes people on reddit and stuff just want to see what others look like.
People don't post pics to hear weirdos go "mmmmmmmm look at dat supple smoooth skin mmmmmmmmmmmmmm ur so pretty mmmmmmmmmm I bet u have a big dick mmmmmm"

For some reason every old dude has to add "mmmmmmmm" to every creepy thing they say as well just to make sure you know they're sitting there moaning and jerking off or something.

>>8530376
>People can post pics for whatever reasons they want.

Then don't be surprised because it's a public forum.

Go pay $10 goon bux and post with the Troons if you want your privacy so bad.

>>8530388
I don't care if people make comments on pics just don't act like a serial rapist when you do it.
Saying "You look pretty" is a lot different than "mmmmm ur so pretty lemme lick dat butthole"

>>8530394
lemme lick it out like it was soft serv ice cream bbycakes

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>>8529890
MTF X MTF IS THE PUREST FORM OF LOVE

>>8530400
I don't know how people even find that sexy. I think rimming is pretty disgusting even if I'm not the one doing it.

>>8530417
*puts on condom*
*puts on rubber gloves*
*puts on dental dam*

Okay gurl (instead of girl, get it?), it's sexy times.

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>>8530404

hand-feeding pickles to each other with another mtf hottie is basically my fetish

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>>8529890
>Are trans mtf lesbians anything other than predatory males?
>>8530055
>yikes, transbians always rubbed me the wrong way.

Nothing like seeing somone talk about an ENTIRE group of people as if they are one person. Neat.

Like yeah there are shitty/weird people in any group. A lot of trans people in general are sort of weird because they had a shit repressive life and were typically loners.

I am a 26 year old lesbian who happens to be trans. (And yeah I think the order there is important) I am a lesbian first and trans 2nd/as a unfortunate condition of my birth. I consider myself a woman, but am self aware enough not to fucking try and talk over cis women about issues or in spaces originally intended for cis women. (ie I recognize that our experiences are different but also know that they are not so different that I can't relate to them.)

I have never considered myself predatory, and I make a great deal of effort to respect my partner's/stranger's boundaries.

I don't know where you are posting your pictures and stuff but the thing is with old hons is that they are from a different era. If you find you have trouble with that group then try and avoid them, but know that they are probably not all shit. I know an older lesbian hon who is very visibly trans but she works stage/concert production and is totally chill. I have never seen her do anything creepy etc.

I am a lesbian. I have identified as a lesbian (never vocally) even before I came out as trans. In retrospect every girlfriend I ever had prior to transition was bi, and they all made comments that things felt weird being with me because it didn't really feel like they were with a guy at times.

The take away here is that I am but one individual who makes up part of the group of lesbian trans women. There are a lot of other individuals in that group too. It sucks coming on this fucking board and hearing everyone bash lesbian transwomen.

>>8530426

this speaks to my soul

i just assume most of the trans lesbian hate is shitty memes and /pol/tards

>>8530441
>Anyone that disagrees with me is from /pol/

Typical

>>8530417
Thank (((them))) for perverting the masses.

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>>8530376
OMG i had to check my ignored messages lol

>>8530426
>In retrospect every girlfriend I ever had prior to transition was bi, and they all made comments that things felt weird being with me because it didn't really feel like they were with a guy at times.
In what way did they feel like they were with a girl?

>>8530446
...well to be fair, only an uneducated cretin (like someone from /pol/, for instance) would be silly enough to NOT agree with my thoughts, correct as they always are. =D

>>8529890
I'm a transbian but I have zero interest in ever dating anyone. Both because I don't think I'm emotionally healthy enough to date (and I don't believe in dating just to date) and also because internet dispelled the myth of "sweet lesbian" for me. When I started transitioning I genuinely thought lesbians were nice and sweet and I bought into /u/'s pure love meme. But now I know better.

So I'm never dating anyone and I'll die alone. I don't care I have my computer and my video games and in some years a AI to talk to.

>>8530511
I told you, the "mmmm" thing is like the universal calling card of creepy dudes.

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>>8529890
No, that's pretty much all they are.

>>8530573

>When I started transitioning I genuinely thought lesbians were nice and sweet and I bought into /u/'s pure love meme. But now I know better.

Sometimes male socialization produces some pretty good lols. Thank you, anon.

>>8530046
this kinda. I know a few... they just seem like broken guys to me...

>>8530426
>>8530573
get real. you aren't a "trans lesbian". you're a straight male.

>>8530792
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>>8530573
Just transbian me and it'll be okay.

>>8530827
I meant what I said. Stop invading our community.

Sincerely, lesbians

>>8530858
>Just transbian me and it'll be okay.
I don't understand what this even means.

>>8530792
Never heard that one before.

>>8530684
Sure. Glad to be of service.

>>8530913
I'm not in "your" community and I don't care to be. I'm perfectly happy alone.

>>8530913
You aren't entitled to transphobic discrimination.

>>8530948
Repeat after me: sexual preferences are not transphobia. Recognizing biology is not transphobia. Protecting ourselves from toxic masculinity is not transphobia -- it's a reasonable reaction to a real threat.

>>8529890
>>8530046
I don't really see much difference. A lot of guys complain about the straight ones too. Yall have issues.

>>8530573
Pure love meme is literally a male sexual fantasy.

>>8530954
You might as well be an old straight white rich guy talking about keeping the womenfolk and the negros in their place.

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>>8530542
Mainly that in their subjective experience they felt like I was a woman deep down. Some described it as eerie.

Like I focused more on them and when it came to sex I would imagine being in their position and try to do what I think would feel nice from their perspective. Seeing them be truly aroused is the highest form of pleasure for me too.

I would also snuggle for hours and was insanely snugly and wasn't afraid to let my emotions show through despite being raised to hide them.

When we would go out dancing I would be right there with them on the dance floor keeping up with the other girls while all the other boyfriends (and male friends) were over in a corner/against the wall holding a beer and trying to look stoic or hopelessly girding themselves into some chick.

I would listen to them. Like genuinely listen, and have real interest in their day and how they are doing. I also just had a super strong sense of empathy and could really feel things out with them.

Again them turning out to all be bi was kind of validating for me after the fact, because it wasn't like straight girls dating me because they wanted a man. It was bi women who have been with girls before who for one reason or another started dating me and found I was a really fulfilling partner.

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>>8530928
>I don't understand what this even means.
O-oh... O-okay...

>>8530964
Explain?

>>8529890
>predatory threatening wet noodle dick
Hmm... no.

>>8530954
Having a sexual preference =/= calling trans women men and accusing them of "invading" your community. There are lesbians that are fine with it.

You're just being a cunt.

That is exactly what they are.
There's the ones that prey on females, and the ones that prey on males, even having a culture calling themselves 'traps' and looking to 'pass' to horny men.

>>8530388
I've been on hormones for three and haven't posted any pic's online. Thats a good idea, I'm going to post my pic's on SA

>>8531061
What about all the cis female lesbians who prey on females?
And the cis female heterosexuals who prey on men?

Or can only men be predators?

Men are naturally predators, it is inescapable, no amount of hormones can change it.

>>8531027
What is there to explain?
So called lesbian porn is actually made for straight men.
Yuri is also made for the straight male demographic usually by other antisocial men.
Men slut shame women for having sex with other men but want them to be a slut and easy for themselves.
Purity of a woman is a fixation predominantly from older male dominated societies. The need for the bride to be a virgin is for the sake of the man's ego.
Usually men that find women unattainable put women on an unrealistic pedestal as if they're no longer even human.
Memes like purest love originate almost exclusively from communities like 4chan which are overwhelmingly male dominated.
If you need it explained then you must be socially stunted or something.

>>8531080
Reeks of original research, nice opinion piece.

>>8530573
How do people even think lesbians are "pure" or whatever? Have you never even met a lesbian in real life? They're even more disgusting than straight girls.

>people finally understanding transbians are fucking gross pervs
called it

>>8531077
then should we hate them for being something that nature intends them to be?
should we hate them for not changing something they cannot change?

>>8531080
>only men look at porn

yeah, no

>>8531084
Hahaha how can you be so deluded in thinking all the yuri bs is for real lesbians. Sure some people still actually believe the world is flat so I suppose it's not that much of a stretch. Still I feel sorry for people like yourself.

>>8531125
I only said your post is full of beliefs, not facts.
Feel free to cite sources if you want to make so many claims and have me take them seriously.

>>8531080
this

>>8531089
there's basically two types of lesbians out there I've found:

>basically the chillest person you will ever find, can quite possibly become one of your best friends
>disgusting dyke that more or less thinks all men are potential rapists and thus should be castrated

And that's it. There's no fucking in between at all.

>>8531128
>>8531104
There's nothing wrong with being trans. It's perfectly fine to be a trans lesbian. Arguing against the truth because you don't want to admit you bought into a straight male fantasy is hilarious. Talk about strange coping mechanism.

>>8531185
hey don't shatter their fantasy all at once they can't cope

MtF lesbian here, I just want to be preyed on.

>>8531080
>Men slut shame women
Pretty sure that's women.

>>8531363
the old pretend that men don't call women sluts and shame them for having sex and imply that women sleeping around is bad and denying anybody's ever used the phrase cock carousel and that pol and r9k and the red pill and mras and mgtows don't exist meme.

no man has ever denied a woman contraception because they though they might go out and have sex with it or anything ever right

>>8531378
I get it, you just want to push the feminist men are evil women are victims narrative.

>>8531099
>then should we hate them for being something that nature intends them to be?
>should we hate them for not changing something they cannot change?
You are missing the point. You are just supposed to blindly hate men and anything related to them. No worries anon you will get it some day. That is the only true lesbian way after-all.

>>8531412
yes I'm an evil feminist sjw cuck liberal and I'm here to take your guns. I and we are all made from straw and you pretending we think something that we don't think is not only correct to do but also helpful to the dialogue.

>>8531429
>you pretending we think something that we don't
???

>>8531185
everything is wrong with being trans. trannies need to stop pretending to be female and get serious mental health

>>8531501
Do FtMs exist in your world or no???

>>8531480
it's almost like we don't actually hate men but that couldn't be true it wouldn't fit your narrative

>>8531505
let's be honest, is anyone in this thread thinking about FtMs? they exist, sure, but they just need to come to terms with their femaleness instead of running from it because society restricts femininity. but unlike MtFs they don't retain male patterns of criminality and attempt to silence women's voices, destroy the integrity of our spaces, and assault us in bathrooms and locker rooms

>>8531505
literally who was talking about that?

>>8531534
It is just a typical female feeling ignored and needing attention.
"Look at me! I exist!"
Yeah, nobody cares.

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>>8531598
and who was talking about that? are you people seeing things?

>>8531080
>Yuri is also made for the straight male demographic usually by other antisocial men.
Both wrong.

>>8529890
these threads are my favourite drama supply on this board

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>>8529890
Not if you're her sub

>>8531013
so to pass as a woman, you just need to empathetic and compassionate?
this explains why so many trannies here don't pass at all

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>>8531711
I mean there is an important difference between passing/looking like a woman and FEELING like a woman. One is a purely physical/behavioral affair while the other is much more to do with expression and emotion.

Like I don't think any of my ex's would consider I passed as a woman pre-HRT but a lot would say they felt like they were with a woman... if that makes anysense.

>>8530426
I feel you anon. A lot of the girls I'm close to are really into me because of the same reasons you posted here >>8531013

I always find it a little odd, because I don't really feel like I'm doing anything special.

I don't even really call myself a lesbian. I'm just a girl into other girls.

As far as transbian hate goes its just like everything else with MtFs. The ones who don't deserve it stay quiet and just keep their distance and try to live as normal a life as possible. It's just when you're really bored and lonely that you end up here to pass a little time before bed.

>>8531773
In my experience, there's an emotional side to passing that people overlook. I think mainly it's confidence and empathy. People respond to gender on an unconscious, emotional level. I think it's why even passing trans women can get misgendered if they "act like men", or vice versa where not 100% visually passing trans women don't have issues with misgendering.

Personal theories -- I wonder if the people who "emotionally pass" are also those who feel mannerisms and social expression come naturally. Maybe for MtFs it's tied to Blanchard types in some way, but I doubt it.

>>8531814

Please don't bring that crap into every conversation. This is all so interesting and I'm going to be really sad if it gets ruined.

But anyway, yeah I kind of agree that there's an emotional side to it. A lot of MtFs are emotionally damaged and it's not always their fault. I think it helps a lot to make friends with some cisgirls who can help you heal and draw out what used to be natural for you before people hurt it out of you.

>>8531013
I haven't been in a relationship yet, and I'm probably not in a stable enough place in life to be in one right now, but this is one of the only posts on this board that actually sounds like my experience. I'm happy transitioning helped me form stronger connections with my female friends -- a lot of the baggage male-female friendships have went away.

Where's the board for us? We're like...the quiet ones

>>8529890
Are gay ftm anything other than attention seeking dykes?

>>8531834
There just isn't anon. /Lesgen/ was good for a while but the problem is we're all so quiet it just kind of died. It's a sad thing but at least we've got our friends IRL.

>>8531826
> crap
Oh, do you mean the Blanchard types? I don't buy it at all, just using it as a point of reference. Don't mind my theorizing haha

It makes me sad that being trans is almost defined by damage. Trans women are told to repress for years and years because men can't be feminine, and when we do transition and start to live in a way that feels right we're beaten down even more for doing it.

>>8531814
Well HSTSes should be emotionally just like cis women.

AGPs will vary more, but it would make sense if interpersonal AGPs are also very emotionally feminine.

>>8531849
It more or less is, but you know as I've gotten to know my friends IRL and we've become close I've learned that plenty of people are defined by their damage in some way. That doesn't stop each of them from being strong women that I really admire, but the more I learn the more I can see how much it shaped them. The only difference is the stigma that continues on after. My friends will win out over their issues, I know they will, but you and I will always have to deal with the bits that remain and the rare person who feels the need to focus on it.

question
what's a hon?

>>8531858
yeah...I've thought a lot about how even after we transition, dysphoria never totally goes away, and it's hard to envision a future where society is more accepting. My hope is that I can be more than both my dysphoria and my trans status. Like, I really don't want it to be the main thing that defines me, more an incidental part of who I am.

I hope we can make it there anon. This has been a great convo btw, 4am 4chan can surprise you sometimes :p

>>8531875
an older transwoman who usually doesn't pass and usually gives bad advice and usually goes way ott on stereotypical gender roles and clothing and behaviours etc. etc. they tend to call people hon as in short for honey or w/e

it's a pejorative so it gets used for people who just don't pass too.

>>8531875
A derogatory term for a trans woman, often an older transitioner, who does not pass. It implies autogynephilia (as a fetish) and being a transbian. It comes from a transgender forum called Susan's Place, frequented by older transitioners of this type who tend to constantly encourage each other by calling each other "hon" or "hun".

>>8531875
The word is super diluted around here, but at its heart it means a non-passing transwoman who puts in zero effort and is all at the same time somehow seemingly completely unaware of how bad their presentation and mannerisms are.

>>8531880
I'm coming up on my 2 year mark and things are going well. I've got friends now, I've had my documents all changed, I pass just fine. But no the dysphoria never completely goes away and I've seen what happens when people accidentally find out you're trans. Even when they are accepting, you still get looked at like an exotic animal and treated differently. You can see it in their faces which seem to scream "omg I can't believe it really?" I'm sad to say it follows you, despite your best sometimes things just slip through the cracks or you come across that rare person who clocks you for some mysterious reason. But you know...when I'm with my friends I never really think about it and even when it hits me in the face it doesn't bring me down for more than a moment. We can belong anon, we're gonna make it. It has been nice talking to you! I don't come here much anymore or talk much but I love when I find good opportunities like this.

>>8531885
>>8531893
>>8531913
i can get the image now, thanks

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>>8531814
honestly if I am speaking truthfully there has been this crazy surge of trans women in the last couple years. I see all these "Do I have potential" threads and shit. These are people who fundimentally don't understand what it is to be trans. It isn't about passing. The reason hons exist is because it is a very real aspect of yourself that you can't deny/repress. You can try but then you just end up fucking your life and transitioing at 50.

I don't think even half of the people who identify as trans are actually trans. Especially the non binary folks. Sorry but that is just my opinion. All this "you don't need dysphoria to be trans" sorry but you do. That is litearlly the main and only requirement of being trans.

I agree with you in that there is an emotional side to being a legit trans woman/lesbian that a lot of people are missing out on. The reason being you can watch a youtube tutorial explaining makeup/fashion and even manurisims. There is no tutorial explain how to be trans/a woman at fundamental level because it is something that either comes naturally or doesn't.

Don't transition because you want to be hotter, or to be cool, or to stop being beta. The only reason you should transition is because you need to and it is who you are. To do otherwise is to just contribute to the problem in my opinion...

4chan is shit a lot of the time. I am a woman. I know that to my core and no one can take that from me. However, I also am painfully aware I am not cis and that is a perpetual stain on my soul. I am currently dating yet another bi woman and hoping my next relationship is with a lesbian because I feel that will be much more validating.

I am not an idiot so I am waiting till I have SRS to pursue any other lesbians. (As painful as waiting fucking 26 years to get SRS is I basically know that I have no right to expect a lesbian to want to be with me otherwise.) Fuck life. Im a Cis woman trapped in a transbody. Why do I deserve this.

>>8531913
This is me>>8531949 I am not the person you were talking to but I just wanted to add that I feel the same about a lot of what you are talking about. I am also coming up on 2 years and you are so right about dysphoria never really fully leaving you alone. There is always something. I have spent like 6k+ trying to get rid of facial hair and ever time it comes back I feel like Cinderella at midnight. Same for that random person who clocks you or the person who finds out and then never treats you the same again. It is so fucking painfully real.

Having a super curvaceous cis gf doesn't help either. Even if she is a bit overweight all those curves firmly remind you what you are not. (and like I pass pretty well and have some *slight* curves myself but compared to her I am a board.)

I really hope we can all find a place to belong someday. I really do.

>>8531973
Cindarella at midnight...

Fuck anon I'm sorry. It made me tear up that you get the same pains from the same things.I know how much it hurts and how defeating it feels. All it takes is just waking up in the morning to a few hairs. I'm at the point where more hair removal sessions is like the usual checkup. It feels awful. I've told my friends to never, ever tell anyone more than they need to know about me, I've explained exactly what you said in that they just don't treat you the same and its the worst thing. It's so oddly personal in how it hurts when the change happens.

I feel you. My friends are all gorgeous and beautiful (not to mention shorter). Despite the heavy flirting from them and the things I have that they say they'd kill for, I just want to be curvy like them instead of constantly losing weight on accident.

I think our place is with the people we can love and trust. There's a lot of love and devotion to give, and we belong to the people who will give as much as they get. Trying to belong with the rest is just going to hurt and isn't worth it when something so deep and meaningful is right in front of us.

>>8531773
i was mostly making a jab at regulars of /lgbt/
i don't really have an opinion on trans people because i know nothing on being trans so the only time i speak about it is when disgusting cishets say transphobic blatant lies.

>>8532002
That moment when rereading and I said the same thing twice. I'm going to go pass out now, thanks for the chat ladies.

>>8532002
Well if nothing else I am glad to hear I am not alone. A lot of the young transbians I have met seem super legit so that is that too I guess.

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>>8530426
>I am a lesbian. I have identified as a lesbian (never vocally) even before I came out as trans. In retrospect every girlfriend I ever had prior to transition was bi, and they all made comments that things felt weird being with me because it didn't really feel like they were with a guy at times.

My Wife always said that before I admitted I was a tranny, feels strange after all this time still.

Yeah I got married, fuck it sucks thinking you are strong enough to hide it... and you arn't. We have made amends and I still fell bad for it.

>>8531522
>Being this Radfem

>>8532086
>marrying a chick when you're an agp
anon...

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>tfw want to be a good trans solidarity and respek trans lesbians
>tfw every negative stereotype pretty consistently turns out true (with exceptions of course)
>tfw really consider most (not all) to just be fetishist men
>tfw cant say this out loud since even when Im skeptical of NBs I get murdered
>tfw I have to sit by and watch as trans lesbians get our image destroyed and reputation lower than ever
>tfw somehow they still get more media representation
>tfw literally the only time Im comfortable talking with with other trans women is when I know they're straight (or at least bi-leaning-straight)
>tfw I tried to resist the memes but the hate for transbians is growing like a cancer

what do I do

>>8532212
I was never agp

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>>8531522
>society restricts femininity

Just because I love fucking girl faces and sitting on them/pressing them into my ass while I jerk off to completion does not make me a creepy transbian fetishist man.

>>8530424
I like you

>>8532349
Grow up and stop letting other people control the way you think?

>>8530046
>tfw repressor/chaser instead of transbian hon.

>>8530388
>>8531066
>Not going to Something Sensitive instead

>straight trannies are the sane normal ones they say
>every straight tranny in this board is batshit insane, even more so than the transbians
really activates my almonds

>>8530388
>muh troons
t. permabanned from something awful for being too unfunny even for GBS

In my experience the most decent mtf trannies are the transbians. Straight and bi mtfs are just the usual gross attention whore sub sluts you see posting their cocks everywhere and whoring themselves.

Hons are awful no matter what though.

I hate trans lesbians because they mean I can't just think of trannies as the supergays

>>8532916
t. a transbian lying through their teeth

>>8533028
>transbians are the insane ones
>straight trannies constantly whoring themselves out and begging for anybody to fuck them in /soc/ and /r9k/ and generally acting like insane attention whores
>straight trannies also constantly needing to prove they're the "normal" ones even though to the rest of the world trannies by default aren't normal

I already disliked anime quite a bit, but MTFs made me completely hate it. All I can see now is a disgusting creepy man pretending to be a "qt" jailbait cartoon girl behind the avatars and pictures. It's honestly disturbing the way they act.

>>8531013
You sound perfect.

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>>8529890
A-are mtf bisexuals allowed?

>>8534132
>that pic
what

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>>8532813
This.
>>8533539
Also thanks. Helps give me some hope. I'm just so tired of trans women choosing to be divided and tear our community apart from the inside.

There is no ranking of gender orientation combos. We're all just people. Some women are gay, some aren't. Some women are bi, some aren't. Some women are straight, some aren't.

The take away is that trans people are just people. So of course we have different types of orientations. You don't see the ftm community freaking out if a dude is gay our straight.

It's like the homophobia that straight guys normally have gets reversed when men transition to women. We can be better than this anons!

I'm straight and know nothing of what you guys are talking about but man.. That picture of that bugs bunny is hilarious

Tfw bi and people here assume I'm a transbian

Reeeee

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>>8534158
I have come to avoid the trans community for the most part.

I think its toxic and a but sick truthfully. Look at any /mtfg/ its full of bitching, whining and attention seeking. Its like some trannies of any sexual perversion just want the attention for being a tranny.

All I want to do is live with myself and snuggle my wife. I never wanted any of this :( But thanks to all these spastics that need to be affirmed in their dick suck crusade I'm seen as a sexual deviant.

>>8534176
So change the narrative around transbians and you solve your problem too.

Personally I think this thread can be summed up as

>tfw no gf

>>8534399
>Personally I think this thread can be summed up as
>tfw no gf
>>8534187
>All I want to do is live with myself and snuggle my wife.
>>8532086
>My Wife always said that before I admitted I was a tranny, feels strange after all this time still.
>>8531973
>Having a super curvaceous cis gf doesn't help either.
I think you need a reading comprehension check. Seems like a lot of them have a significant other.

>>8534469
I'm >>8531913 checking in, yeah it seems like a lot of us who have our heads on straight do have one. I'm married to a FtM and even though our relationship is slowly drifting apart all the same. Most of us do find someone to love.

>>8534510
I'm single and it's really hard to believe anyone could love me. Being trans makes me feel unlovable :( Happy for those who have found someone.

>>8534583
Yeah, same. I feel like there's no way in all the hells I'll get a cis gf. Trans gf maybe since then we could hate ourselves together but cis one never. I feel like developing superpowers or becoming a supervillain is likelier than that.

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>>8531844
Heads up it is back >>8534563
pic included is the cover image.

>>8534583
>>8534826
I have been with my gf (who is cis) since before transition. (she is bi) Now is actually pretty decent time to be trans and a lesbain. There are a lot of super feminists who are more than fine with dating a trans girl (if only because it makes it seem like they are taking part in the suffering olympics) Once you get over/accept that your cis gf will need to be a little SJW you will be fine.

I get the feels but this board is half the problem. It demonizes transwomen and makes us seem like we are the lowest form of humanity. Which just isn't true. Trans women are just other people with a condition. Don't beat yourself up anymore than society already wants to!

Love for us is out there. Try sites like OkCupid and stuff you might be suprised!

>>8534898
>makes us seem like we are the lowest form of humanity
how do we know they're wrong anon

>>8535777
Because no one gets to arbitrarily decide your worth as a human being and you are a fucking cuck if you let them get away with that shit.

>>8535777
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. That's the only famous quote you'll need anon.

>>8530913
>it's another salty fat dyke gets upset because a man decided that he would prefer to be a woman while continuing to date women episode
lol

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>be with a woman as a femboy
>decide to transition, woman is fine with it and helps
>am now a transbian
Name literally one reason this is predatory behaviour.

>>8536135
She only dated a femboy instead of a man because of feminist toxic masculinity scaremongering that you played into to manipulate her into dating you.

>>8530573
>internet dispelled the myth of "sweet lesbian" for me
Straight men have the most disgusting ideas tbqh f a m. At least this one castrated himself so he won't be a bother to women ever again.

>>8536150
I dont believe in toxic masculinity and dont consider myself a feminist.

>>8531949
>I am a woman. I know that to my core and no one can take that from me.
D E L U S I O N
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Honestly, you're worse than the trans trenders. At least trans trenders admit they're doing it for attention. You're no different, just more in denial.

>>8536170
not her but you make statements without any underlying explanation or logic so why do you expect to be taken seriously?

>>8536170
Fucking really? Her post was one of the most reasonable ones I've seen, she was very honest about the fact she is not cis and her experience isn't the same, and that's still not enough for TERFs? Nothing about that post read as attention seeking.

Talk about projection.

>>8530426
It's really just the older generation. Some of my friends are lesbians (MtFxMtF) but the older hons are just so fucking creepy.
I'm not talking about online forums, i'm talking about self-help groups with people going
> (deep voice) I HAD THE OPERATION ALREADY WHAT ABOUT YOU
while having the densest beard shadow i've ever seen, while wearing lolita clothes, while being grossly overweight, hitting on me, grabbing my butt...
Like out of these 20 MtF age 45 and up 18 were this creepy, i'm sorry. 19/20 are lesbian, none of them has practiced their voice. All were clothed like teenager or had leather stuff on, tight clothing... god damn awful.
>HMMM SEEMS LIKE YOU NEED A BIT HELP, WANNA EXCHANGE SOME AFFECTION? ;)
Older MtF are mostly like this, at least within my city. The youth-groups (11y-28y) are quiete nice, many are heterosexual and had their priorities set and had mostly good voices, early HRT and all that fuzz. Barely any creeps, i would guess < 3 %
I'm not saying lesbian MtF have invalid identities or are creeps, but this seems to be the case in mostly younger transitioners. Them being older just raises their chance of being creepy exponentially.
>>8530117
lol
>>8530582
'mmmm' has to be at least four 'm's, right?
mmmmmmmm

>I'm a cis woman trapped in a trans body

>>8536189
>the most reasonable ones I've seen

>>8536173
>you make statements without any underlying explanation or logic

This is how you know you've spent too much time with the crazies

>>8536235
If that's how she perceives herself, it's how she perceives herself. She's not hurting anyone by thinking that.

>>8536235
you make a statement without any explanation and when asked to explain call people crazy

still nobody gunna take you seriously anon tsk tsk

>>8536249
>If that's how she perceives herself, it's how she perceives herself
He's delusional son. That's what delusional means. Woman isn't a "man who perceives himself to be a woman".

>>8536266
>I'm a cis woman trapped in a trans body
>you need to explain why that's crazy

>>8536275
sure. they feel like a cis woman, act like one and they should be one. but the brain these feelings are housed in are permanently kept in a male body. why dont you explain why it's crazy?

>>8536229
Oh christ is this my fate as a masc AGP repressor? Part of the reason i'm staying a dude is to chase after those straight trannies. So in a way i'm as bad as those hons.

>>8536277
That's not what the word woman means. A woman is female. You cannot be male and a woman. Feelings do not dictate reality.

>>8536283
>wanting hstses

>>8536277
>act like one
how do you "act" like a woman, in non sexist terms?

>>8536288
women produce a different set of hormones and function generally different in society, so to say "i am a woman" also carries the connotation of a mental set of feelings and actions internally, when in certain contexts like this. They are not denying their biology, instead they are admitting the reality they are a male and complaining mentally they are as a woman would be. They are clearly saying they feel like a woman but are admitting theyre male.

>>8536293
Generally as a lack of testosterone would have one act. More empathetic, softer spoken and more focused on interpersonal relationships and personality/intellectual improvement rather than a focus on material goods, sex or fame. Also characterized by a more submissive personality and less violent or crass. Of course everyone acts somewhat differently, but these are among some of the common differences in most men and women relatively dictated by hormone production and furthered by society.

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>>8536283
please don't become a chaser, just transition, it'll be less painful. You seem to be self-aware so no, you won't end up like them.
Whats keeping you off transitioning? How old are you?
I don't know anything about you but it seems there is no cure for dysphoria but transition :(

I looked like a chad after i lost 30 kg just before starting HRT in college and i turned out passing half a year in (50/50 after a few months, somehow, i still cringe when i see those pictures).
If you want to talk about it, feel free to tell us about yourself. I'm 3+ years in, maybei can give you some advice!
>>8536293
Not that anon but honestly, i don't get the whole 'FEEL LIKE A WOMYN' stuff, how are we supposed to know? It's so diverse, there is no chance of knowing how men or women are supposed to feel. Me personally could never put such words into my mouth. I dress mostly comfortable + only sneakers, meaning no dresses or anything revealing with a deep neckline, so i don't get the clothing obsession either. I like makeup now and then but have never used more than concealer and mascara;
tldr: not all mtf are like that, ok? There is a lot of conflict (see mtfg) within the ''''community''''

MMMMMMMMMM
(lol)

>>8536311
Give concrete, objective examples of how women behave or function socially distinct from men.

>>8536311
>women produce a different set of hormones
Depends on the woman and depends on her age. It's actually pretty varied, so not a reliable way of determining who is and is not female. Let's go by chromosomes instead, it's much more clear cut, intersex people aside.

>>8536312
>not all mtf are like that, ok?
aka #notallmen
I've heard this one before.

>>8536311
>Also characterized by a more submissive personality and less violent or crass

I'll take "Shit AGPs believe" for $500

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>all these men thinking they are lesbians
What are you guys going to do? Fuck your gf with your wee wee.

>>8536336
TERF insect samefagging OP

begone

>>8532817
>having literally anything to do with goons
>"b-but these are different! t-they're cool goons!"
>being a fucking top-percentage rube

>>8536348
Just TE, not RF

>>8530573
>he believed the pure love meme
jesus, lesbians are fucking gross dude

>>8531013
For the record I'm a straight guy and minus imagining myself in the position of the woman I'm going down on this is my exact experience of dating.

Being respectful and emotionally open doesn't make you a woman, it makes you a decent human being.

I'm not gonna tell you that you're not a woman or that you can't identify however you like, and I think it's fucked up to treat trans people badly because it's fucked up to treat anyone badly.

That said, this "being a woman is something you just feel inside" business is just silly. My black friends sometimes tell me that they feel like I'm black, but no matter how much I love and identify with black culture I will never actually know what it's like to be black, nor will I ever actually be black.

>>8531104
Let me guess, you're a trans woman?
How long had you been watching porn before you realized you were trans?

>>8537320
Not the same anon, but I knew before I discovered porn. Your point?

>>8537349
CureHon thinks that if you stop watching porn then you can repress with ease.

>>8537383
they also seem to think cis women never watch porn, which is untrue

>>8536312
I'm over 30 and quite masc. I also like some things about T. I dont think my dysphoria is severe enough. I thought I would have to transition a couple years ago, but weed made me feel alot better. Also a bit terfy/alt-right so I have some issues with transgenderism.

Hypothetically i'd want to be /fit/ first before even trying HRT. Its a good excuse because obesity and lack of /fit/ness has been a life long issue for me.

>>8531077
my peepee can't get hard anymore
can I still be a predator?

>>8529890
No they are exactly that.

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>>8537592
>A fat pothead has issues with what other people do

>>8536170
>Honestly, you're worse than the trans trenders. At least trans trenders admit they're doing it for attention
Are you kidding me? NO transtrenders admit they're doing it out of attention, transtrenders are the ones who will autistically screech at you or try to get you fired if you tell them there are only two genders or their latest LGBTIPBBQWTF+ shit isn't real.

>>8536135
it isn't, i hope you are happy with your patner!