What made you (mtfs) decide you were trans and not an effeminate

I went on /lgbt/ at age 20 with no history of dysphoria

They asked: Do you want to be a girl

I began hormones 4 months later

Crushing body and genital dysohoria that had me the brink of overdosing via constent drug use or slitting my wrists.

Probably the fact that, even though I was an effeminate gay man, I still felt horribly uncomfortable and angry at my own body. I felt disgusting. Revolting. I couldn't stand looking at myself in the mirror.

It's still hard sometimes, but I feel better and more confident and happy every single day. HRT and transitioning saved my life.

>>8515587
i realized i felt uncomfortable and awkward fucking dudes as a man but that it felt great imaging myself fucking dudes as a woman

also the fact that i've fantasized about the idea of chopping my dick off since i was fucking 6

i would always try to squeeze my pecs together in the mirror trying to pretend i had tits and cleavage

when i started growing facial hair at 13 i would meticulously tweeze it all off

turns out i don't like dudes anyway and i'm just a fucking lesbian. boys are emotionally retarded and i like sucking on tits that aren't covered in fur.

>>8515615
imagining*

I still wanted to be a girl.

>>8515587
I'm not even feminine. I wish I was but I'm not. I just hate my body and want a female one.

>>8515587
lol, wrong kind of mtfs here for that question m8

>tfw mtf but socially present as a fem guy

kill me

>>8515587
gender dysphoria

>>8515983
Plenty of just gays have that.

>>8515651
this
i don't mind living as a male or even having a penis but i can't stand seeing a guy in the mirror

>>8516002
Wait. Really?
Cause like I've kind of womdered this. I'm not sure if my trans stuff is cause i wanna be a gay bottom and I'm just like unable to visualize gay stuff correctly so i self-insert as a girl in fantasies

>>8516002
??? WHAT ???
lol

>>8516002
No they don't.
Dysphoria is unique to trans people.
Unless you're saying that being unhappy with certain aspects of your body is dysphoria.
Then everyone, including straights and normies, has that.

>>8516028
>>8516036
>>8516039
FtM/lesbian example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_butch
>Stone butches usually do not like to be sexually touched genitally by their partners

Look into gay bottom subcultures to find the MtF/gay versions.

>>8516042
>Sexual touching is the only kind of dysphoria for trans people
Spotted the cis dude.

>>8516042
It's not about my genitals though. I don't really like getting blowjobs but the issue is i want my body to be like a girls or at least really feminine. I don't need boobs though.

66.169.194.55

>>8516056
Right because a woman who presents and acts extremely masculinely clearly doesn't have any other dysphoria.

>>8516058
Do you think these lesbians don't feel the reverse?

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>>8516002
>when you don't know the difference between dysphoria and body dysmorphia

>>8516074
>when your only argument is (incorrect) semantics

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>>8515983
Gender dysphoria is just a form of body dysmorphia. It's a delusion that is sadly not ever going to be treated properly due to screeching SJWs who don't even have the condition themselves.

>>8516087
>when you make a baseless statement about gays experiencing dysphoria in the same way trans people do and expect reasonable responses

>>8516064
>Do you think these lesbians don't feel the reverse?
I don't care what lesbians feel it's way way easier for girls to pass as guys and they can wear boy clothes all they want
If i keep going as a male by 30 I'll be like a 120lbs twink with male pattern baldness and i certainly won't make even close to a good trap and i won't be able to wear girls clothes anyway

>>8516106
>when really it was you who made the baseless claim about dysphoria being the same or not >>8516074

>>8516108
Whatever but the point is they're dysphoric.

>>8516108
MtF hormones can help with hairline regrowth honestly

who fucking cares if you're not a babe. do you really wanna live the rest of your life as a thinking, feeling, hollow husk of a man?

your call senpai


>>8516115
talk about what experiences with dysphoria as a gay person are like otherwise it's too ambiguous of a statement, it's too easy to mix it up with how trans people feel dysphoric which after a lifetime of repression is crippling therefore likely to incite emotional responses

>>8516115
They might not be dysphoric if they can present as masculine as they like. Also women's E naturally declines with age whereas mens T significantly increases until it drops off around 45 years old. It's a completely different situation
Men cannot be feminine for much longer than their youth without hrt.

>>8516136
>it's too easy to mix it up with how trans people feel dysphoric
Whyever could that be.

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>>8515983
but we're talking about age retard.

your story is that you realized that you were a "girl", when you were a grown man, correct?

>>8516168
Why do you bully Robin so much? What has she done to you personally?

>>8516168
Robin is good and pure. Do not bully her just because you're hurting.

>>8516168
See, this is why people don't feel bad for you, cara. You whine and cry to your friends about being suicidal and your potential homelessness but then come in and try to ruin an innocent person's self esteem. For what exactly? How does this benefit you? Don't forget that Robin has a challenging life too. If anything, you should feel empathetic of her, not shove her face in the dirt just because you feel upset with your own life.

I realize this is going to go right over your head because you've proven yourself to be a terrible person who never listens but I had to say it, at least.

>>8516221
she's schizophrenic

>>8516245
Mental illness is never an excuse for shitty behavior.

>>8516297
it might not be an excuse but it's the reason

>>8516221
are you someone i know?

>>8516245
>>8516303
Trent believing himself to be an e-psychologist and pulling a diagnosis out of his ass does not prove anything. Don't forget he's also an autist who can't pick up on social cues.

>>8516307
Assuming you're cara, then yes, I am. But that doesn't matter. At least think about what has resulted from you bullying Robin nonstop. Has your life gotten any better? No? Then why do it?

>>8515587
>What made you (mtfs) decide you were trans and not an effeminate gay man?

Probably because when I was really little I remember wanting to grow up to be pretty and look like my mom (both normal parents/ nothing traumatizing happened, just didn't ever do that little boy trying on his dad's suit thing).

Always hated looking at my genitals for no reason (I think I was tucking at like 6 yrs old).

Told school counselor (~11yrs old) that I wanted to be a girl, was told nothing I could never do about that, then spent the next few months crying myself to sleep, praying and wishing I could be a girl.

Contemplate and try killing myself, decide I want to live for whatever reason. Repress for 10yrs, started hormones at 22 and I'm much happier than I've ever been.

Also the obvious, what gay guy wants to look like/be a girl? I hate looking like a guy and enjoy having boobs and hips.

>>8515587
most mtfs here are AGP trancels t b h

>>8515587
i stopped cutting my hair and once it got long people started mistaking me for a girl

i liked that

[spoiler]and then i looked back and noticed all the signs[/spoiler]

>>8516101
I can agree w this

>>8516101
Nope. Gender dysphoria responds positively to transitioning. Body dysmorphia does not respond positively to allowing the individual to change their body. Gender dysphoria is caused by a birth defect, not a mental illness.

>>8516369
who?

>>8516168
I realised I was trans at 14 when my skelly started changing and gender dysphoria hit
there were warning signs beforehand as a child but I was too retarded to make the connection e.g. my mental image of myself always having been an adult female

>>8516413
>le failed male theory

>>8516502
>I realised I was trans at 14

cara autism in 3...2...1....

>>8516502
>my mental image of myself always having been an adult female
A G P
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>>8516576
I wish memeing blanchtards would fuck off already.

>>8516603
>memeing

>>8515587
logic and reason

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I was an effeminate gay boy. I always wanted to be a girl. I hung out with women. I wanted to fuck men, be a submissive housewife, etc. Women said I was cute, they could talk to me "differently" from most guys, said I was more "fun" and "attractive" than guys, but they'd never make moves on me for dating/sex and I wasn't interested. I felt hideous over my (few) masculine features.

Realised I'm basically already living as a girl anyway, what am I doing? So I'm transitioning now.

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>>8516531
duhhhhhhhhhh

>>8517707
And people say Blanchard was wrong.

>>8517724
What makes you say that anon, what are your thoughts and such?

>>8517727
You being the postergirl of HSTS.

>>8517737
I'll throw a plottwist in there for you then. I'm in a loving relationship with a cis woman at the moment who I met prior to coming out to everyone as trans. But I supposed I do get really grossed out by chasers and other dudes who get all flustered when they hear about it and jump to the whole fetish-y "shemale" thing and most of our sexual fantasies involve other men together lol.

>>8517749
But you said you wanted to fuck men and weren't interested in girls!

>>8517761
ye, but I love her, can't really explain it. I wouldn't care if she had a dick, vagina, was severely mutilated, parapalegic, like it doesn't even matter to me. When I "date" (which I did before) I was grossed out by girls. She's just super nice and smart and makes my heart go doki doki, I can't help but be in love with her.

>>8517768
Hm, I suppose it's not impossible for a straight girl to date another girl like that. But I don't think you can really be postergirl any more anon...

Also I just noticed
>most of our sexual fantasies involve other men together
>our
>together

>>8517776
That's alright anon, it's understandable.
Yeah, we'd both like to submit to men while together eheh

I like women and everyone knows there's no such thing as an effeminate straight man.

>>8517787
Well now it's actually sounding AGP.

Dating a girl pre-coming out is classic AGP, although being grossed out by them isn't, and disliking chasers and "shemale" is perfectly possible for AGPs.

Describe your fantasies involving her and men please.

>>8517807
Uh, I want a man to put his dick in me, and she wants a man to put his dick in her, but we don't want to cheat on each other so we want to be in the same room and maybe cuddle while it happens or something.

>>8517813
>get two men
>get dicked at the same time
>kiss each other
>the men kiss each other two
It will be glorious.

>>8517821
>>the men kiss each other two
I don't think I ever really considered that but I guess if they want!

>>8517813
And let me guess, you think about her more than the men in this fantasy? Like she's the other participant and they're just dicks and silhouettes?

What does she enjoy most about these fantasies?

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>>8517847
Not sure actually. We were talking about like, a BJ race, and the loser gets humilated and then he just uses the winner to finish instead, which embarrassed the losing girl quite a lot. I guess we both liked that from the perspective of the loser?

While I did like boys I did kinda like girls. I was a bisexual boy, but I couldnt stand the thought of having sex with a guy as a guy and have very little in common with gay boys/men.
Most of all, I hated my body and wanted as female one, with all the good and bad that comes with it.

>>8517805
Nor is there such thing as a woman who likes women.

>>8515587
So in a nutshell I am debating transitioning. I am fit 6 foot and really cute. I currently work in a hard larbour field, my girlfriend left me and took my child. I was all about masculinity and "manning up" debating whether to do it again. I use to dress so pretty in art school. I'm 25 to late to transition?

>>8519336
Why would you have a kid before 25

>>8519336
It's never really too late. If you got amazingly good genetics you can transition at pretty much anytime. Post a pic and people will tell you if you should go for it.

Ive always been different. Seldom any guy friends, if they were they were most likely the losers or outsiders. Got on great with cis women and felt entirely more comfortable with them. I hated my body and never really connected well on an initimate level with gay men. Coupled with years of abuse and depression/suicidal thoughts and isolation, i feel if i wanted to change my life that this is what I have to do

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>>8515587
I was never attracted to men until I started HRT. If you took me off HRT and made me detrans Id lose my attraction to men.

>>8516413
There is no such thing as AGP.

>>8519589
would you prefer a bf or gf now?
I was attracted to men pre-hrt but there's no question its gotten much much stronger

do you actually believe agp isn't real or are you just memeing?

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>>8519613
I think all women are aroused internally and than Blanchard is from a time when we didn't recognize women as anything more than an inferior version of a man. I think its a needless label that only serves to build a gigantic stigma against transwomen. To imply a persons reason for transitioning is entirely sexual in of itself should be a red flag that its bullshit.
So no, I genuinely don't believe in AGP. There is a lot more to transitioning than sex.

Ive been dating exclusively men for a few years now, I just want to live a normal life at this point and associate with the LGBT label as little as possible. Also everyone doubts the legitimacy of a transbian.

>>8519672
You mean you don't believe Blanchard's Typology, get your terminology right

>>8515587
I'm currently wondering if I'm even trans at all. I'm a gay man, I've tried feminizing myself and I look really good as a femboy and my face looks very girlish when I have bangs, I'm very slim and toned. I do however know I'd never really pass as a woman and my voice is too masculine, and I have this sneaking suspicion that I'm not really trans but just really insecure that I'm not as attractive to men as women are. I think I'm more so jealous of women's beauty than I am transgender.

Super simple, I like neither men nor being a man.
Case closed for me.

>>8519672
I definitely agree with everything in your post
i've just always kind of identified with having agp, maybe my understanding of what the term means is kind of off

when I notice how much more feminine I look and when strangers gender me female, it doesn't give me any kind of arousal...it just makes me happy
same with putting on makeup and making my hair look nice
it just makes me feel emotionally good

the fat redistribution honestly does kind of turn me on a bit though, I really really love how feminine my thighs and butt look now, but obviously to say I transitioned JUST for that is ridiculous

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>>8519684
Who cares about the terminology of a kooks discredited armchair theory?

>>8519698
Women are aroused internally by being attractive, its normal.
Also an alleviation of dysphoria to the other good feelings.

>>8519739
Ok so you're just willfully retarded then

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>>8519746
Socrates said that losers always resort to insults.

Isn't all this just mental gymnastics because you were too weird to fit in to normal society

>>8519780
>>8519739
>Who cares about the terminology of a kooks discredited armchair theory?
Wew

Maybe if you actually paid attention to your terminology you'd realize that far fewer people actually disagree with you

>>8515607
This -.-

Because I've always felt like a girl, and felt more comfortable as a girl, and hated being seen as a boy
I never considered my sexuality as part of my being trans because I'm not a fetishist

>>8515587
you don't have to be gay to be trans

>>8516485
>caring more about who I am than the word of advice I've taken the time to give you
You are a literal manchild.

>>8515587
I had no interest in guys or girls before transitioning, including sexual intercourse on the whole. The entire conceptualization failed at the point where I envisioned myself in such scenarios and it turned me off violently.

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>>8520967
that wasn't me, but i was just trying to see if you were someone i had been in communication with recently in private chat.

>>8515587

what with being attracted to women and everything

>>8515587
Im not exclusively into guys

>>8517857
That's kinda hot

>>8519739
Women don't get off to AGP things.

>>8516064
of course stone butches are dysphoric, they're trans men who don't transition
(or trans men are stone butches who transition, the order doesn't really matter -- they have the same condition)
extremely gnc gay people with dysphoria are trans in the sense they are best served by transition, which is the only sense that matters

>>8523938
Reply to the idiots who denied it.

>>8523952
but both of you are wrong
there is no such thing as a 'dysphoric cis gay person' because a dysphoric 'cis' 'gay' person would have a better outcome if they transition, therefore they're trans
>>8516308
if i was better at social cues, i would have realized it much earlier
i'm pretty familiar with schizophrenia, and cara is textbook

>>8523964
Where did I say cis again?

>>8515587
Tbh I always thought if I could flip a switch and be a girl I would do it, but growing up the only media examples were tranny porn stars and hons in drag queen makeup I thought it would never work. I also had so much awful shit going on for the majority of my life so I didn't have much time to focus on the things I really wanted.

My life settled down and I had a friend who started hrt a year before me and turned out so pretty. It made me realize that I should try it because it could work.

>>8524002
you said 'just gays', which in context implies cis gays

>>8524027
The context was Robin saying gender dysphoria is the answer to OP's question.

Is "gender dysphoria" the answer to "What made you (mtfs) decide you were trans and not an effeminate gay man?"?

It's not if someone decided to be gay instead of trans despite dysphoria. Your definition of trans obviously doesn't work with OP's question. She means choosing to transition. Someone who chooses not to isn't trans in the sense OP is using the term regardless of outcome. Also you haven't made the case that just because they are dysphoric they would necessarily have a better outcome transitioning anyway.