Is it possible to deal with gender dysphoria without transition?

you'll have to deal with it somehow sooner or later

I know that. I just ask if exist perhaps another way.

>>8511212
Pay a visit to /agpg/ and /repgen/.

The other way is to continue to fight it despite all the information you have now, find a wife who loves a lie and live vicariously through her, father a few children because surely you'll man up after getting some real responsibility right, and then finally having a breakdown when you're 50 and depending on how much the next quarter century has damaged your psyche blow your head off with the shotgun you've been storing for just this purpose or transitioning into a turbo hon and going out for ladies night with your fellow turbo hon galpals

What about cognitive theraphy or something? Falling from "illustrisimo" to minority does not sound appeling

>>8511463
are you filipina? i understand trans rights aren't too great there
maybe go talk with a professional?

Central European ultra catholic extreme upper class of Italian ancestry.

>>8511212
sadly, no

>>8511463
Behavioral therapy is for mood disorder and learning to control your emotions better most of all.

CBT does nothing for GID.

>>8511312
>finally having a breakdown when you're 50 and depending on how much the next quarter century has damaged your psyche blow your head off with the shotgun you've been storing for just this purpose
Tb h that still means an extra decade or two of life, plus it's an end with much greater dignity.

Well, is there any difference between starting HRT at 26 vs suppressing until 50 where you either die or will just be hideous if you DO start? I guess aging like a woman would be much better than aging until you're a fucking grandpa then trying to start.

>>8511599
>nothing
[Citation needed]

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>>8511212
It depends on the person.
Some people are able to deal with their dysphoria and avoid transitioning.
Others have stronger dysphoria that can only be assuaged through transition.
Levels of dysphoria occur on a continuum from small to large depending on the structure of the brain and the androgyny of the body.

>>8511760
Nice response

>>8511760
heh, I was manage to survive till few months ago without even being sure whats wrong with me. But since realisation it is dysphoria all over the place.

Someone should work towards a cure :S

>>8511693
I'm curious about this too

>>8511610
This.

In fact, let me expand on it. Your two options are:

>repress, marry a younger wife, have kids, live vicariously through her (it's too late for you now to be a young and vivacious woman anyway, even if you transition immediately), enjoy the mutual love of your children and raise them in a happy home, once it's gotten to the point where you can no longer enjoy anything but not before your kids are safely off to whatever independence they choose, go hunting and have an "accident". Bring your favorite dog so you have someone there with you and so the dog will run to the house and get people so you'll be found at once. Leave with dignity, with the grief of loved ones who remember you fondly, respected by your wider family, maybe some perplexity if you didn't fake the accident well enough

OR

>get hormones and surgery, feel some relief from your mental illness but disgrace your family, disappoint your family and yourself, disgust everyone who sees you including yourself, suffer and hate life despite it all, kill yourself before 40, get buried either smeared with lipstick in a wig and ill-fitting dress or (which one's worse?) a suit tailored of pure denial of your last decade-plus, be remembered only as a vague-to-gruesome embarrassment, never to be spoken of if at all possible

>>8512590
>Someone should work towards a cure
Oh yeah, that's the other thing. Sooner or later, probably sooner, somebody's going to invent a pill that just takes away the dysphoric sensation. If you can just endure until then you can get the pills, live a happy healthy life, and your family won't give you shit about taking the medicine because you showed stoicism and endurance in the face of suffering instead of disgracing everyone.

>>8512654
Nice one /pol/tard thing is if he has dysphoria hes gonna end up being a tranny father at age 35 when his kids are like 7 and his kids will never recover from it completely destroying himself and his family or he will just kill himself at 25 completely destroying his family

>>8512670
>/pol/tard
THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG KIDDO

>gonna end up being a tranny father at age 35
Oh yeah, like Bruce Jenner, right? Just couldn't hold it in anymore by age 35?

Come on, tell me things wouldn't have been better if Jenner had tripped over a shotgun while climbing a wall, like Speke. Say it. I dare you.

>or he will just kill himself at 25
He's 26 NOW, you unbelievable mong.

>>8512679
makin me worried about starting at 21

I'm 28 and I mostly deal with it by keeping my T low with supplements and dietary changes, and ensuring I don't get MPB and things like that.
I'm not sure my dysphoria is as intense as what a lot of people on here seem to experience especially because I think my issue is mainly a confusion between the fact that I'm a gay bottom and possibly fear of aging and such. Since I've made lifestyle changes I feel a little more in control of my life though I just have tons of agp fantasies which of course is kind of confusing especially because I'm not sure if I'm just using the whole self-insertion as the girl in porn as a way to explore my gay fantasies.

But worst case scenario I probably will just an hero. But as of right now I've been okay with how I'm aging. I'm not masculinizing very much and I'm the only person I know who never got MPB thanks to be proactive about stopping it.

>>8512661
You know if the anti-dysphoria pill ever does get invented the hons and tumblrcunts are just gonna rise up and protest it/try to get it banned because its "erasing trans people and turning them into disgusting cis scum"

>>8512733
I'm sure they'll try. But there won't be any chance of success because healthcare providers won't be remotely able to defend not using the safe, cheap pills over dangerous, expensive elective surgery and another set of equally costly pills. Especially since the pills end all MUH PRONOUNS gabble and conflict around shit like that, women-only spaces, lesbianism and so on.

It'll just be a SO much better, smoother fix that nobody will care about the complaints from the fringe, especially since the complaints will stop as soon as those people get put on medication and no longer feel like being aggro about the whole thing because they're fine now.

I agree there will be a problem with pre-existing transsexuals who have already gone too far to reverse things, but I'm pretty sure they'll be thrown under the bus. Shit like that tends to happen every time there's a seismic change of that type. I mean ideally they'd be tolerated and acknowledged as their desired sex until they die out, but in practice I really don't see that happening.

>>8512840
Even if there's a cure it would only most likely be something like antidepressants which are not always successful anyway

>>8511599
Can't dysphoria be similar to a mood disorder? It is a trigger of anxiety. Eviscerating you emotions might make it easier to cope. I sure hope so.

>>8512877
I certainly notice that when I have increased depression and anxiety that my dysphoria goes off the charts. But when my depression and anxiety aren't as bad I'm not very dysphoric.

>>8512590
Unfortunately studies seeking such a cure will be less and less likely to be funded from now on, as it will be taken as a form of transphobia.

It's ironic that trans activists will snarkily remind others that ultimately "it's their body, their choice" while they sabotage any attempts at seeking an alternative to transition.

>>8513028
Studies that even attempted it were usually based on torturous methods or used such high dosages of medications that people essentially became zombies though.

>>8512733
>>8512840
you know when you invent a scenario based on air and then rant based on that scenario based on air it's just a strawman right

like, nothing you just typed is applicable to the real world as it stands. Where is this pill...? We've had 70+ years of transgenderism and pharmaceutical drug development has stagnated in all forms. The same pharmacological treatments for schizophrenia bipolar disorder depression ADHD are by and large based on the same outdated principles of the monoamine hypothesis as they always have been, and their (lack of) guaranteed effectiveness leaves those who aren't lucky slipping through the cracks as a result.

All this to say: if we can't cure the major mental illnesses readily and the current treatments we have for them are imperfect, what hope is there for the 0.1% mental illness only a handful of religious right fucks and you really give all that much of a fuck about? They don't make up big enough chunks of the general population for the research dollars to flow like with say, depression which has gone through three different drug classes since inception of pharmacological treatment and SSRIs are far from guaranteed freedom from the burden by any chance.

There isn't a treatment you can name that can *ease* the symptoms, much less dissipate them entirely. We had fifty years of trying your route. It failed. We moved on. Nobody likes waiting for ifs or maybes. They want realities, and they want the suffering gone NOW, not in fifty years time. Sorry.

OP again: Either suicide or transition sre unacceptable, since I'm roman catholic. Idk what to. Perhaps going to Ukraine and Syria

>>8513094
At least take steps to lower your T and lower masculinization as you age. If you ever do crack and decide to transition at least you can look back and say you took care of your body.
Don't be like these 50 year old hons that let their bodies go to shit and let male pattern baldness fuck over their hair.

This is my thinking anyway. One day when I'm ready to crack and become a hon at least I might not be completely fucked over.

>>8513117
Ah I'm bald as fuck already and hairy like s bear. This train left long ago.

>>8512679
god i love when /pol/ comes here i just imagine a 400 pound neck beard with a maga hat on shit posting

>>8513094
Fight for Rojava at least you can die for a good cause

>>8513130
I support Assad

>>8513123
How bad is it? You might be able to reverse it with finasteride, minoxidil, diet changes, and supplements.

Whenever I see old hons transitioning and they like didn't even attempt anything at all earlier in life and just let T ravage their body it confuses me. You can make a lot of lifestyle changes that can help out and most people won't think anything of it.

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I look 10 year older, and like a huge foreheard blond version of Karel von Schwarzenberg

>>8513124
Your /pol/ daddy has arrived. Kneel before Zod bitch

>>8513124
Your /pol/ daddy has arrived. Ask me anything.

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>>8513166
Where abouts are you on the norwood chart (pic related)?
How bad of condition is your skin in? Hows your diet and such?
Also just for the sake of asking, how about your skeletal structure?

>>8513178
Will there be a euthanasia option for us in the white ethnostate? Please???

>>8513180
Via, skin idk quite ok i think expect for some pores and i have a few scars from motorcycle accident on forehead and hand. Sceletal it is quite small, shoulders are not very wide neither

>>8513196
Well unfortunately considering you're so far along in balding it might be tough. But it's not like getting hair transplants is something cis men don't do, so even without transitioning that is fixable.
Try finasteride and minoxidil, nuke saturated fats from your diet as much as humanly possible (this is a very major thing so don't skip this), take fish oil omega-3 supplements. You want to basically shift your PUFA:SFA ratio to be as high as possible (as in eat more PUFAs than you do SFAs).
Lignan supplements and isoflavone supplements will help with skin.
Microneedling and chemical peels help with skin/scars as well and also help certain things like minoxidil absorb better.
Use body lotion every day after you shower. Exfoliate your entire body a couple times a week.

Everything above is like only a tiny bit of the potential things you can do to change your body before transitioning and make sure that when you crack at 40 at least you took the time to look after your body.

>>8513226
You are saying like I will crack :( I still hope not.

>>8513238
lol well at least plan for the worst situation.
Maybe your dysphoria will alleviate if you feminize your body though.

I know I often hear the same story on this board all the time that people had lessened dysphoria simply because they looked younger than 95% of their peers so people treated them in more feminine manners.

>>8513246
heh, I must be formal, manly and stoic all the time :)

>>8513252
Why?
Also being a man doesn't mean you can't look after your body. That's just what retards with gross dadbod and beer guts say to try and rationalize their poor health.

>>8513238
I'm sure you'll be different than all the rest hon

>>8513255
I didn't mean that. I mean I must appear manly and stoic for work and social position.

>>8513263
Well for the most part taking the effort to lower your T mostly just makes you look younger. It gives you better skin and hair and of course getting rid of MPB easily makes you look way way younger.
I mean if you go really low you'll get gyno but it's easy to hide.

>>8513318
I already have gyno, and I bind :S .

>>8513339
Well then you have nothing to lose lol
Just start megadosing on phytoestrogen extracts, get on fina, fix your skin, take antioxidants, etc. etc.

Like at least do something if you refuse to transition. Testosterone itself actually isn't extremely horrible it's usually stuff like DHT that seriously fuckup your skin and hair.
But lowering T and getting some estrogen into you gives you that sweet smooth skin.

>>8513355
Thanks :) Still I would preffer to push it all away

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>2020-3
>repressing

>>8513365
Repressing doesn't work, at least I don't think it does. It makes you even unhealthier than normal cis men and IF you do actually crack (not saying you will) you'll be in a worse spot than even your average cis dude.
Sometimes people find working out helps, and yeah it gives you muscles, but exercise actually regulates a bit of your T:DHT levels so it's actually sometimes better to do for purposes of transitioning later in life simply due to the health benefits.

You don't have to completely remove your testosterone and live as a weird half boy half girl creature, but you do need to take steps to prevent the negative health effects of T, even healthy cis men do. Of course there are many cis guys, and especially mtf repressors, that simply let T and DHT ravage their bodies and they'll look like shit by the time they're 40. All my cis straight male friends look after their bodies and take stuff like omega-3's so the idea that in order to manly you just have to let your body fuck itself up is hardly true for cis men.
If you don't take steps to look after yourself you'll get left in the dust and you could pluck a cis dude off the street and he'd make a better girl than you would lol

>>8513381
Tbh, I'm unhealthier :S I'm more chubby than not, I smoke like factory, I never really managed to take care of me, gym was drinking for me lol. In last few months everything went event worse - from deep denial to concious repression as old coctail of beer, porn, and rosary stopped working :S I was told few mounths ago that I look like a 35 year old guy who went through a lot

>>8511212
Take HRT and live your life. Everyone at work sees me as an ultrafag but they're cool about it, I diubt I'll ever come out. Unless you're into girls, if so I don't know what to tell you.

T. Started HRT at 26

>>8513405
That's pretty typical of most people that repress.
I've talked to a lot of late transitioners (like 40+ years old not like this board where if you transition past the age of 5 you're late) and usually they have done quite a bit of damage to their bodies due to repressing and drinking away their sorrows. You get in that attitude of dissociating yourself from your body so you no longer feel the need to look after it. It's a bad thing to do.

If you repress it's only going to get worse because the only way most people manage is via drugs and alcohol. It's pretty hard to be sober and just forget huge events in your life.
If you're not ready to transition, or don't want to, at least don't repress it. Acknowledge the problem and fix your life to work around it. Breaking down and transitioning at 30 or 35 or 40 or whenever sucks obviously, but if you suddenly decide at an older age it has become unbearable at least you can go on susans and look at other older transitioners and laugh at the ones that rekt their body with drugs/alcohol whereas you took steps to prevent the effects of aging and T.

>>8513428
Tbh if you just accept you're too broken to ever get a gf you can get on hormones and live that way. It's what I did and it's way better being treated as some kid or hyper fag

>>8513443
are you out as trans?
Yeah i'm too broken for relationships probably but I'm just seen as a very feminine guy I think

>>8513449
I'm eloquent and high class and can get almost any girl lol

>>8513449
Only to my mom. Are you out? I am probably seen as a feminine guy, probably gay Idk but I don't really care Tbh. Nobody is mean and I don't have to put on a manly act.
If I never date anyone I've accepted it but if it happens then at least I'll be guaranteed the submissive role

>>8513434
:S That sucks. I wasn't even really aware what's wrong with me till like a year ago and I actually miss those year of not clear depression, numb feelings and porn addiction..

I must really do something, but I don't want to go against my faith, religion, and quite nice life in most aspects...but this shit is getting worse and worse. I even have had few episodes of clear genital dysphoria in last few days fuck

>>8513484
Yeah a lot of people that are repressing once they get access to drugs/alcohol just go hard at it. I know I did lol
Usually it's enough to get to the point that you basically forget all the shit from your teens when you wanted to be a girl and whatnot and then you just coast through your late teens and early 20s with depression and anxiety that has seemingly no known cause.

Also just for your information hair transplants nowadays no longer have to come from your scalp, they can actually take stuff like leg hair and chest hair and it seems to convert to normal scalp hair after about a year. I've seen pics of the after-effects of the procedures and it looks amazing. Expensive though lol
But even if not on HRT you need to get on fina and get minoxidil. The last thing you want to do is spend $10,000 on hair transplants when you could have only had to spend like $2000 just to fix your hairline a bit.

>>8513506
I have had maning up phase I high school.
Isn't fina affectiing your potence?

>>8513506
And tooo bad there is not any theraphy for that :S

>>8513519
Fina has a minor side effect (about 2-3% chance) of causing sexual dysfunction. I believe reduced libido happens in like 5-10% of cases.
Many people take it for like 10+ years with no side effects though

>>8513527
Thanks for infos about everything. Hope that this small things will kept me well enough.

>>8513526
There is therapy, gender therapists, and they'll probably tell you to transition lol

>>8513527
you need that 5alpha reductase for mental activity and for immune system so its not as rosy

>>8513603
Those are still pretty rare side effects though.
Most of the side effects have been blown out of proportion by websites like propeciahelp that managed to make people think a 1% chance of side effects is now a 90%+ chance.

But either way it's still one of the best ways to get hair back, nobody wants to be the girl with male pattern baldness.

>>8513592
To bad that some cognitive stuff don't work. I'm skrewed.

>>8513619
Just look after your body and try to feminize a bit and see what happens. With the right diet and high enough dosages of supplements you can nuke your T pretty good.
Looking young and being able to trap it up can help relieve dysphoria a lot. If you repress it then it'll popup in other areas of your life and it'll wreck all your relationships. I don't know if you like guys or girls, but bottoming with guys often helps relieve dysphoria I think.

>>8513632
I'm mostly into girls and been with a lot of them till I become really religious age 20-21. After that I was only in one long term relatioship. I'm really devout traditional roman catholic so....

>>8513638
Well I've heard of transbians living vicariously through their gf's but girls sometimes pick up on it and are weirded out. Like when you oddly know just a little bit too much about girls clothes and makeup.
But that's why a lot of transbians make it until they're like 40+ years old and can have full families with kids and stuff. I don't think I could do that though lol

>>8513647
I corrected my ex few times and she was like: whattt are you gay lol. I don't know shit about make up though. I was to scarred to look even and was mostly depressed piece of shit, when I was not horny or working.

>>8513657
Yeah I see reddit posts all the times from girls asking why their bf's know so much about girls clothes and stuff. I always have a sneaking suspicion those guys are are all closet transbians lol

But best of luck OP, try and get healthy and treat your body well, even if it's not the body you wanted in the first place.

>>8513685
Thanks :) Hope that I will never crack :S

>>8511312

A square wife who wants to have sex once a month will only make things worse

>>8511212

Even though the world goes on for eons and eons, you are only here for a fraction of a fraction of a second.

Most of your time is spent being dead or not yet born. But while alive, you wait in vain, wasting years, for a phone call or a letter or a look from someone or something to make it all right. And it never comes or it seems to but it doesn't really. And so you spend your time in vague regret or vaguer hope that something good will come along. Something to make you feel connected, something to make you feel whole, something to make you feel loved.

And the truth is you feel so angry, and the truth is you feel so fucking sad, and the truth is you've felt so fucking hurt for so fucking long and for just as long you've been pretending you're OK, just to get along. Maybe because no one wants to hear about your misery, because they have their own.

>>8511212
Your chances of doing so are extraordinarily low. Start by seeing a therapist that specializes in gender issues. Let them know that you do not plan on transitioning, but need to find a way to deal with your issues. Understand that you might end up having to choose between transition and permanent, soul-crushing, misery. Understand that you may even change your mind about transition.

tl;dr version: see a therapist.

>>8512849
This. Pills aren't even a one-stop shop fix for ordinary depression; they won't be able to handle gender dysphoria for decades if not centuries.

>>8514547
I called therapist, only one in the country, told her that I wont do anythings which goes against teaching of the Church, she told me that she couldnt help me the, I put down the phone.

>>8514582
You're in for a rough life lol

>>8514585
Honour and whole worldview on one side, personal happines on other. Easy choice. Still need help to deal with it, because it is causing me to much of anxiety and I cant really work and I'm smoking to much