So is this true? Do Jews make gay people feel unsafe?

>>8509964
Yes, I'm a progressive and tolerant LGBT and I can't even Zionist apartheid nazis who are so intolerant and right-wing that they don't want me thrown off a building, stoned, beheaded, hanged or crucified.

How do people like that sleep at night?

>>8509964
>the march was "pro-Palestinian"
Anyone want to explain why supporting terrorist faggotkillers is somehow automatic or even within the realm of contemplation for a gay movement?

>>8509964
How many times are you gonna make this thread? This is what the 4th time since yesterday?
>>8510016
We are nice people unlike you, sweetie.

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>>8510020
何言っているの

>>8510020
I suppose "nice people" would also defend Pol Pot?
>he was an alright guy, Anon!
>if you think about it, people with glasses ARE the root of all evil, sweetie!

>>8509964
Race exhibition shouldn't be allowed at any gay/lesbian pride event. Why the fuck do they think they are there?

>>8510016
Misguided anti-Zionists think that means they have to support the oppressed/disenfranchised state out of either solidarity or classic us v them, black v white thinking.
The truth is, neither country is particularly good to its minorities, but Israel's failure to treat its women, gays, and blacks like full human beings is particularly astonishing and shameful because, for all intents and purposes, it is a wealthy, white, industrialized, 21st-century nation (something pretty much none of its neighbors can say, even if you take out the "white" bit).
Because of Israel's terrible human rights track record, those militant combative radfems see a star of David as being some kind of apaetheid SA symbol and because they see it as their fucking duty to "take a stand" and pick fights whenever possible, they ban the shit on some bullshit pretext. Seriously misguided, but at least there IS a (flawed) line of logic.

>>8510077
>Israel's failure to treat its women, gays, and blacks like full human beings
[citation needed]

>>8510076
>Jewish race
>Jew-hater/conspiracist detected

>>8510077
I watched a video about how men in Israel prefer foreign women and bring them over to marry instead.

>>8510077
>Israel's terrible human rights track record
What, as opposed to the pristine human rights record of HAMAS? You have to be blind and retarded to think the fucking Palestinians treat women, gays, and blacks even remotely as well as Israel does, let alone better.

Israel is the better party in that conflict by so far it isn't even funny.

>>8510090
I mean in general, same with the whole BLM bullshit that was happening at pride marches.
It just invites conflict that is unrelated to the gay/lesbian pride events or marches. It has nothing to do with sexuality at all.

>dyke March

So how many were non passing transbians?

>>8509964
What if they were those Jews who believe Israel's existence goes against Jewish law? Would the Jews who don't deny the Talmud forbids establishing a Jewish nation until the Messiah (Rabbi Joshua doesn't count) comes to rule over it be allowed to wave those flags?

>>8510137
I'm sure antisemitic Jews, just like other antisemites, would be more than welcome.

>>8510148
>not knowing the differance between antisemtism and antizionism
The only people who think those are the same thing are zionist who don't know how to defend their ideology without resorting to "but where will we go?!" as if antisemitism isn't almost extinct in the western world. Outside the deep southern US you're safe

>>8510159
>masking your antisemitism as """antizionism"""

>as if antisemitism isn't almost extinct in the western world.
Yeah you're not getting away with that one in a thread with this OP.

>>8510084
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/sexism-and-the-state-of-israel-6287448.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/middleeast/israeli-woman-who-sued-el-al-for-sexism-wins-landmark-ruling.html
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html
>http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/depo-provera/basics/risks/prc-20013801
>http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-lgbt-victory-court-bans-transgender-workplace-prejudice/ (almost certainly an empty gesture, not unlike desegregation of education in the United States)
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Video-Police-filmed-beating-IDF-soldier-at-scene-of-suspicious-object-case-399319
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/31/israel-police-chief-roni-alsheich-natural-suspect-ethiopians-crime
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/culture/.premium-1.762556

and then there is the entire debacle of the occupied territories, which is what actually places Israel near to apartheid South Africa, placing the entire displaced Palestinian people behind trenches, under looming foreign military rule from a government in which they have zero representation.
>the Israeli military ain't doing the Jewish people any fucking favors in regard to the whole child-killer myth: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

>>8510109
despite this being true, it is a piss-poor excuse for turning peoples' lives to shit. Just because the United States is better than say, the Philippines, or let's even say Germany better than the United States, does not excuse each country's failings (or would you like to suggest that Germany's practically ideal environment for lgb people excuses the fact that same-sex marriage is STILL illegal, or that German law drew parallels between homosexual sex and bestiality into the 90s?)

>>8510159
>as if antisemitism isn't almost extinct in the western world
Bruh the majority of leftists are virulent "muh international banking" antisemites, even moreso now that the European left is absorbing the entire population of the Middle East. """Zionism""" is just a convenient excuse.

>>8510077
As always radfems are the mvp's of this S H I T community.

>>8510206
>despite this being true, it is a piss-poor excuse for turning peoples' lives to shit.
That's a pretty hefty goalpost move, but I think you did it by accident from getting caught up in the argument so I'm not going to shit on you for it, just point it out.

We were talking about whether it was reasonable to be *pro-Palestinian* and *take the side of HAMAS* (and ban Jewish Pride flags on that basis), not whether it was reasonable to criticize Israel and its policies at all.

Of course it's reasonable to criticize Israel for its flaws, but it should be done with the understanding and in the framework of Israel being the more legitimate state and having every right to destroy HAMAS and similar terror organizations that want to exterminate Jews and Israel. There's no defense for actively siding with the Palestinians, at all.

>>8510168
antizionism =/= antisemitism
The idea that the cultural and religious minority of Jews should have a nation of and by their long-fundamentally diasporic community, so as to achieve autonomy and security, that this is a (God-given) right for their people (and only their people), is the most special-snowflake bullshit ever to be propagated on a near-global scale. The same rules that might then apply to American Indians or the people of Tibet are routinely dismissed by the same people who support the state of Israel, and the Zionist support rests on the victimhood of the Jewish people, lesser-of-two-evils arguments concerning the middle east, geopolitical arguments concerning the middle east (our best allies, right in the thick of it!), concerns for domestic mutual support from our Jewish allies at home, and the classic equation of opposition of the Jewish displacement of Palestinians and occupation of lands formerly belonging to others, with hate for those repeating the crimes of European conquest of the Americas.
The displaced Jews of Europe could have been given a portion of Germany as reparations, and would have been welcome, as a whole, in a number of other places.
The Zionist movement and Jewish settlements in Palestine had been established decades prior to the developments in Nazi Germany, and the state of Israel was established as an independent, occupying nation with the help of the British and the Americans for territorial and trade interests. Helping a victim populous with extremely wealthy cousins who were citizens of both countries was an extremely convenient bonus.
Obviously, we've reached a point where Israelis cannot be asked to give up their (new) homeland entirely, much like Americans cannot be asked to go back to Europe. But clearly, the present state does not serve justice to the displaced and disenfranchised.

>>8510237
lol Hamas isn't even the *main* government of Palestine

>>8510237
>goalpost move
sure, whatever, but I think you missed my point that being opposed to Israeli/Jewish iconography (when those symbols still represent oppression and injustice) is not necessarily the same as being pro-Palestinian. I was trying to point out that many anti-Zionists think this, and very erroneously to boot.
I'm pretty sure that's what they call a strawman, fella.

>>8510249
m8 Fatah isn't much better both are full of fundies. Israel also has a bunch of religious shitters in positions of power, mind, but when it comes to LGBT rights the Palestinians are way worse. I say this as someone who thinks all nationalism is innately racist.

This is just another symptom of the unholy marriage between the progressive left and the religious right.

When Muslims say 'Zionist', 99% of the time they just mean 'Jew'.

I can't fucking believe Sadiq Khan let that Al Quds march go ahead.

>>8510278
>When leftists say 'Zionist', 99% of the time they just mean 'Jew'.
FTFY

>>8510248
People who oppose Tibetan statehood are retarded but also super rare, what are you talking about?

Even the State Department wants that, they just have to fake it so as not to piss off the Chinese and destabilize global order (although for all I know that's out the window too in this administration).

>>8510263
>I think you missed my point that being opposed to Israeli/Jewish iconography (when those symbols still represent oppression and injustice) is not necessarily the same as being pro-Palestinian.
No, I'm totally onboard with that, I'm just saying, in this thread we're discussing the Dyke March and they explicitly motivate their refusal with being pro-Palestinian, look at the OP pic.

Maybe you missed this from the start? In that case I readily agree it's not a goalpost move, just a misunderstanding.

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>>8510249
>Hamas isn't even the *main* government of Palestine
Yes they are, but even if you accept that evaluation, like >>8510277 said Fatah is only superficially better. They're also committed to the destruction of Israel and the genocide of all Jews, not to mention they're the ones who made sure generations of Palestinian kids were raised in schools that taught race hatred and falsehoods about Palestine itself (like that Muslim Palestine was ever a country, which it literally never has been).

>>8510278
>I can't fucking believe Sadiq Khan let that Al Quds march go ahead.
Really? I can.

>>8510301
Well, I was sort of feigning incredulity for rhetorical effect. I'm not really surprised, at all.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-calm-down-sadiq-khan-in-angry-row-with-conservative-over-palestine-march-policing-a3572256.html

Really shocking behaviour.

>>8510307
>Really shocking behaviour.
Shocking? From the party of "every defeat of the British state is a victory"? From the party whose official policy to this day is to take the side of terrorists against the territorial integrity of their own country? From the party whose leader is a regular on Russia Today and in the Morning Star?

This board is making me feel unsafe

>>8510324
No, the political left is making you feel unsafe.

>>8510331
Your face is making me feel unsafe

>>8510324
T b h your feeble mental state is making you feel unsafe. The insecurity is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!!

>le《"anti-zionism"》meme
Just give in and yell YAHUUUUUUD like the rest of your desert friends.

>>8510397
Did you know this house has people in it? =0

>>8509964
I don't know nearly enough about Israel/Palestine to really give an informed opinion.
I really don't like what I've seen Israel are doing to the Gaza strip and Palestinian settlements on the West Bank.
But then I hear that the Israeli people are constantly being attacked by Palestinian groups which is why they are so tough on them.

I used to be opposed to the creation of Israel, but it's here, it exists.
It's the only Jewish country in the world.
It's the only truly open place in the middle east and will hopefully encourage other countries in the region to follow it's ideals.

I see the Israeli government regime as independent of Jewish people and no, neither Jews nor Israel make me feel unsafe.

I think it's disgusting that they've banned the star of David flag. It's hateful.

>>8510507
People -vastly- underestimate how rife antisemitism is in the Islamic world, and how it inevitably grows as we import more Muslim migrants into the West. There are areas in France where it's no longer safe to wear a yarmulke, and synagogues are often attacked across Europe.

We've seen a lack of concern for the LGBT community in the face of Islamic homophobia. All of the countries that have the death penalty for homosexuality are Islamic. We're next to be tossed up onto the altar of Muslim placation.

>>8510520
I think the vast majority of muslims are not antisemitic. I don't agree that helping refugees from war torn Islamic problems encourages antisemitism, the antisemitism in the West is most likely from home grown young muslims who have suffered under inequality and are now angry at the world.
You'll notice that it's not refugees or first generation immigrants who become terrorists really.


The problem to tackling extreme Islamic views is by creating equality, not by closing the doors to vulnerable people who need our help.

There are muslim countries that are a lot more trans-friendly than most Western countries, so it's not a muslim problem.
It's a regime problem, regimes Western governments have put there.

>>8510555
>I think the vast majority of muslims are not antisemitic.
Does this belief have any more basis that Jesus Christ being the Son of God?

>>8510555
>I think the vast majority of muslims are not antisemitic
Not that person, and I'm pro-immigration, but I do think the majority of Muslims from those countries are antisemitic. It's just how they're raised. I'm Israeli and the majority of people here absolutely are racist against Arabs. It's fucked up. If you never helped any shitters though you'd condemn 99% of humanity to die. Accepting Muslim immigrants is the right thing to do regardless of the fact that they have fucked up views. Anti-LGBT Christians are equally fucked up and they make a huge part of the population in the West, after all.

>It's a regime problem
It's a cultural problem, and not a problem the West is free of.

>>8510555
You sound like you're trying to be conciliatory, which is fair enough. However, I hate to break it to you, but a lot of this reasoning is faulty.

With regard to the trans thing: Iran FORCES gays to have SRS. If not, they get the death penalty. The perception of trannies in Islamic culture has always been strange. For centuries, it's been lauded as part of artistic tradition, but actual homosexuality has always been condemned. Pakistan are the world's largest consumers of tranny porn, but they're incredibly homophobic.

>more trans-friendly than most Western countries

I don't fucking think so.

The death penalty for gays is codified into Islamic law. They just use Lut as a justification, but under an actual Islamic state, all gays would get necked. This has been the case since the very beginning.

Also, if you look at places like Small Heath and Bradford, it's blatantly obvious that Muslims choose isolation over integration.

>>8510588
>I'm Israeli and the majority of people here absolutely are racist against Arabs.
Gee how terrible, disliking the people who have been literally non stop trying to commit a second Holocaust on you since your country has existed! What nasty racists!

>>8510591
>Also, if you look at places like Small Heath and Bradford, it's blatantly obvious that Muslims choose isolation over integration.
That's every deeply religious minority though. In Israel the Christians have their own conclaves and often don't even speak Hebrew. The problem is religion, not any specific religion.

>>8510605
>Every single Arab is trying to kill me
Wew what a nuanced view of the world. Nationalism is a cancer, as is racism and theism. The problem is not with people of a certain race, but with the memes people are infested with. There are plenty of people of certain races that are smart, strong or lucky enough to not fall for them.

>>8510606
Sorry, I don't see Christians establishing enclaves and parallel court systems.

>>8510618
You have absolutely no idea. MOST Muslims are antisemites. It's in the Koran.

>>8509964
Gotta join /pol/ your greatest ally

>>8510618
>inside the brain of a liberal

>>8510628
>Sorry, I don't see Christians establishing enclaves and parallel court systems.
Where are you from? Have you been to the old city? It's full of Christians who can't even speak Hebrew.

>Parallel court systems
Yah true there's no such system over here. On the other hand the Jews and the Muslims both have fucked religious parallel court systems.

>It's in the Koran.
The old testament supports genocide, slavery, violent homophobia and misogyny. All Abrahamic religions treat it as sacred and true. Doesn't mean that most, say, Christians support genocide, slavery and systematic rape. Today religious people in modern countries basically ignore their holy books. Don't get me wrong, all religions are cancer, but what it says in the book has very little to do with what people practice.

>>8510648
>Liberal
How insulting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB9wELkGn9c

>>8510588
But you're in Israel. Most muslims in the West aren't related to the Israel/Palestine conflict, so I doubt they have the hatred for Judaism that Palestinians have.
I think there's more of a hatred of our neoliberal establishment, because that is what actually affects their lives.
Your perspective of muslims is based on an Israeli point of view, but that conflict is so far removed from the young muslims who have grown up in Europe, whose families mostly come from Asia or North Africa.

That's something people don't seem to realise, that homophobia would be rampant in the West too if we didn't separate Church and State... Although as an English person, the Church of England is actually part of our government which is ludicrous.
Our Conservative minority government has just made a deal with the Northern Irish DUP who don't support abortion or gay marriage... In 2017.
The government is actually giving this backward, fundamentalist Christian party major influence over the rest of the country which isn't fucked up enough to elect a party like them to power.
It's really made me want to kick Northern Ireland out of the Union.
The West is not far away from taking huge steps back as far as civil rights for all go.

>>8510591
You're from the UK, so you know about the DUP. It's not a muslim problem.
And do you think they choose isolation over integration, or the English people didn't welcome them when they arrived and they were forced into isolation?

>>8510655
>xe isn't aware that liberal is the new PC name for stalinism

>>8510651
>Doesn't mean that most, say, Christians support genocide, slavery and systematic rape.
How come Christians and Jews manage to ignore these parts?

>>8510655
Seriously, the fact people think Liberal and Left are the same thing is my biggest pet peeve.

>>8510664
The bloody DUP, lynching gays and crucifying apostates.

Oh wait.

>>8510651
UK

Jewish self-imposed isolation isn't as much of a problem simply because there are so fewer Jews compared to Muslims, and it usually only applies to particularly conservative sects.

Christianity reformed. Most self-identifying Christians barely read the fucking Bible at all, let alone the OT. None of the justifications for slavery or polygamy are internalised.

This just isn't the case with Islam. There are many Muslims who don't actually know the Koran and just call themselves Muslim. But even those Muslims are very homophobic, and many are antisemitic because Jew hatred is considered normal in Islamic culture. It's just the degree of it that varies, correlating with the level of piety. Muslims believe that -all- of the Koran is the word of God as relayed to Muhammad. Doubt is heavily pathologised, and if you question the faith, you're liable to called a kuffar and subjected to ostracism/ threats to your life. This is how Muslims interpret the Koran, TODAY.

Devout Muslims basically think all non-Muslims are subhuman. Adultery/ pre-marital sex is considered highly immoral, but Muslims mothers often encourage their sons to sleep with non-Muslim girls for the sake of gaining 'experience' for when they enter an arranged marriage.

I could go on.

>>8510671
>Christians
Know you of Lebanon?

>Jews
Two parties in the current ruling coalition in Israel are deeply religious and favor deporting all Palestinians from the West bank. This is ethnic cleansing.

>>8510685
Reminder that 50% of British gays think homosexuality should be illegal.

>>8510700
Whoa, that's really fucked up.

>>8510705
He's talking about this.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

>>8510016
Because of "intersectionality", an ideology which only appeals to lower-IQ folks.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10131/the-bigotry-of-intersectionality

>>8510685
Most Christians do read the Bible.
Jesus just taught us that he made a new covenant in the NT... He did however also say that he did not come to replace the Old Laws... So a lot of Christians follow the OT laws. There is actually a huge distinction between NT churches and OT churches.
Most Christians are very homophobic, I'm sure a few are antisemitic, the church was institutionally antisemitic for most of it's history.
All Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God, hence why during mass after a Bible reading the reader says:
The word of the Lord
Thanks be to God

Every church you go to today, the congregation will look down on Divorcees and non-nuclear families. And the Catholic church teaches that masturbation is a mortal sin and requires confession.
TODAY

You're not familiar with actual Christians today are you?
The typical Brit who calls themselves a Christian because they were baptised as a baby but hasn't stepped foot into a church since then really do not represent actual modern day Christians who are very similar to Muslims.

>>8510680
They would if they could.

>>8510713
>The typical Brit who calls themselves a Christian because they were baptised as a baby but hasn't stepped foot into a church since then really do not represent actual modern day Christians who are very similar to Muslims.
Right I'm sure 50% of "baptised and then never saw a church again" Brits also ways laws to ban gays.

>>8510713
>arlene foster is a bitch, therefore islam isn't shit

Hmm...

>>8510685
Basically I don't even disagree that by and large more Muslims take their tomes more seriously than the other groups, but I think that this can be changed with time just as it has in the other groups. I also think that there are still a lot of members of the other groups that are equally zealous. The solution is a greater emphasis on assimilation and Westernization, not rejection. Before you call me a hypocrite I think that this should apply to all groups that hold problematic values, not just this one. Israel has a similarly extreme faction of orthodox jews who reject the state, throw rocks at soldiers and so on.

>>8510716
Did you actually read what I typed? Those people may be baptised but they are not practising Christians.
If you actually asked a church congregation what they thought, you'd find the vast majority would be supportive of restrictive laws against homosexuality.
They might not want gays banned outright or killed, but they would not want homosexuality to be a part of mainstream culture.

Like I said, most practising Christians are the same as practising Muslims and Jews.

>>8510717
Islam isn't shit though, Islam has been a huge part of shaping the world today.
We literally wouldn't have computers without Islam.
As Israeli-anon said, it's a culture issue, which we in the West are not immune from.
We're just lucky enough that the Enlightenment period and two world wars happened in Europe.

>>8510727
How many planes have been flown into buildings by Haredim?

>>8510733
None, but there were mass shootings and stabbings. Plus a whole lot of anti-LGBT legislation pushed by their party. Plus the whole supporting the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians thing.

>>8510730
Maybe you should look into the events that led to the fall of the House of Wisdom.

Also, what exactly does al-Khwarizmi owe to Islam for his findings?

Islam is what ended the Arab Golden Age.

>>8510694
>deportation is ethnic cleansing
wew lad

>>8510733
>oy vey, I can't fly a plane into this building, flying is a job and unclean
>try to hire a goy to do it
>get arrested
>MUH RIGHT TO WORSHIP FREELY

>>8511058
>"Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

>>8510249
Palestine isn't even a real nation.
Obviously it cannot have a main government.