REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>8509946
I'm a bi mtf and I still have a weird time conceptualizing trans girl x cis girl relationships from the cis girl's perspective. It's like I'm not sure if I should see it as straight, lesbian or bi.

Friends are like shoes

>>8509961
It's most comfy being inside two at once?

>>8509953
it kinda depends on the cis girl and how she codes a trans girl's body imo but I see the relationship I have with her as a lesbian one. I mean, I'm open to nuance b/c our birth assignments are different but yeah. I've been dating women exclusively for awhile so I don't really know how to do anything else. the sex isn't really too much different from the sex I've had with cis girls, there's just certain body stuff that needs to be re-navigated.

>>8509975
The strange thing is I don't get that confusion when I think about a trans girl dating a guy. It just feels straight to me. Idk, it's probably just lack of experience, not knowing a couple in your situation.

How is dating her like dating a cis girl rather than a guy?

>>8509986
I've only dated a guy once a few years ago (unless you count the cis girl I dated who eventually transitioned to a boy) and he was really alienating, controlling, and it really...just wasn't my thing. I'm also not a fan of PiV sex which isn't something I figured out until I dated a cis boy. but idk, we have a lot in common, we both have experienced familial rejection for gay shit (her so more than me), still get harassed on the street for being together and get followed around. I'm not a super feminine girl but I feel pretty feminine around her, nice, and loving. we can share clothes and talk about how being a girl....really fucking hurts. the power imbalance with het relationships just isn't there. it's not exactly the same as dating a cis girl because she experiences dysphoria and all that but I don't really think our experiences with misogyny are all that different.

>>8509946
have you tried to do things with them like you did before?

>>8510013
>I'm not a super feminine girl but I feel pretty feminine around her, nice, and loving.
Is she on the tomboy side then?

>and talk about how being a girl....really fucking hurts.
What misogyny have the two of you experienced?

>the power imbalance with het relationships just isn't there.
Can you describe the power imbalance?

>>8510030
yeah but....sometimes it becomes pretty obvious that they find trans girls uncomfortable so I've kept my distance. it hurts really bad but I do feel like I'm on the right side of things so I care less and less. queer communities like to wax poetic about how trans-inclusive they are but I've found that it pretty much only applies to uwu nonbinary genders

>>8510061
>but I've found that it pretty much only applies to uwu nonbinary genders
have your gf call herself a third-gender demifemme girlkin whose pronouns are she/her/hers.

>>8509946
Gross.

>>8510049
a) kind of, but not really. honestly, I consider her more feminine than me naturally and I'm kind of jealous of it. I consider myself more of the tomboy, but she's really into music so we geek out about that a lot and shop for gear together. so I suppose that's sort of tomboy-ish.

b) she gets cat-called a lot, we've both been sexually assaulted, and kinda just get preyed on for being perceived as weak. idk when she was young she got harassed for being feminine/called a f*ggot which definitely isn't what i experienced but still counts as societal punishment for being a girl, i think.
c) when I dated a boy he just seemed....very controlling, was listened to a lot more often, was assumed to be smarter or more knowledgeable,was stronger than me, and I kinda assumed the submissive role. I don't really see that operating in our relationship. I'm more of the top but even with that we're really careful about being gentle with each other. it's really cute and nice and feels really good, imo.

>>8510073
we'd probably get called oppressive binarists less often if she did, lol

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>>8510089
>honestly, I consider her more feminine than me naturally and I'm kind of jealous of it. I consider myself more of the tomboy
How is she more feminine/you more tomboy? And why jelly?

>was listened to a lot more often, was assumed to be smarter or more knowledgeable,was stronger than me, and I kinda assumed the submissive role.
Your experience with that boy sounds nasty, but these parts, him making decisions/being stronger, and being able to just assume the submissive role feel pretty appealing for me personally. I'd want a gentle top, who isn't controlling of course, but being the one who follows their partner's lead is something I want. I don't know how to feel about this.

>>8510130
>How is she more feminine/you more tomboy? And why jelly?
wears more feminine clothing, thinner than me, wears makeup more often, etc. sometimes I get really insecure for being perceived as more masculine and kinda wish I wasn't. but I'm pretty bad at being girly around most people. I'm pretty guarded.

you said you're bi.......do you tend to gravitate more towards women or men? or is it generally pretty equal?

>>8510161
>but I'm pretty bad at being girly around most people.
And she isn't? How come?

>do you tend to gravitate more towards women or men?
I don't know. I feel a guy is more likely to give me that kind of relationship, and I do think about the idea of a relationship with a guy more, but that might be why. I'm single and not against dating either.

>>8510165
>And she isn't? How come?
not too sure, just seems that's how she is. I think I'm just insecure about being tomboyish sometimes lol, and I don't really read her that way as often. but, I'm harder on myself.

hmm, well in my experience being in a more submissive role with a guy is different than being with a more dominant woman. nothing wrong with desiring that though, although definitely okay to have conflicting feelings too. I definitely think its possible to have a relationship with a guy that's dominant and still have him be otherwise respectful, it's just not for me personally. either way I hope the dating thing works out for you and you feel comfortable/find what you want. :)

I'm mtf, and have never been in a relationship or anything like that because of lack of interest, but lately I've been feeling like a gf would be kinda cool. How 2 get gf?
I feel like saying I'm trans would give the impression "oh they like dicks in their butt" (maybe I'm wrong I don't go outside much) but I don't want to be untruthful to someone I care about

this thread makes me want a gf

>>8510193
I met my gf on tinder, which is kinda funny looking back. she was the first person I ever met on that site, lol. I live in a big city so I'm kinda fortunate that there's a decent amount of gay/bi/trans people.
as far as sex stuff goes, it's good to communicate your boundaries, although sometimes its hard. just be truthful to your partner and hope it works out. I personally don't really engage in any penetrative sex w/ my gf, not even with a strap-on or sex toys or anything. I don't have that dynamic with everyone, but that's what works for us.

gfs are cool, I highly recommend them. is there anything you look for in a girl specifically?

>>8510180
>I think I'm just insecure about being tomboyish sometimes lol
Aw, there's no need to be!

>well in my experience being in a more submissive role with a guy is different than being with a more dominant woman.
What are the most important differences? This is something I ask myself a lot, whether I'd prefer a more dominant guy or woman.

>either way I hope the dating thing works out for you and you feel comfortable/find what you want. :)
Thank you! And I hope things work out with you and your gf and your friends!

>>8509946
Your friends sound shitty. I am a transwoman dating a cis bi woman and haven't had anything but support from her friend etc. I borderline want to call out your post as bait because IRL no one cares if you date a transwoman. (at least in all the combined experience and anecdotes I have encountered in my offline life)

>>8510225
>What are the most important differences? This is something I ask myself a lot, whether I'd prefer a more dominant guy or woman.

really depends on the individual honestly, naturally there's more dominant guys than women (or so I've found). but. in my experience, women tend to be a bit more understanding about boundaries and what feels good and there's just more intimacy present for me, so the dominant stuff in sex feels....a bit different. not as much as that power imbalance as I talked about before. I think there's just a lot more cultural narratives about what heterosexual sex is supposed to look like (even with cis boys and trans girls) and there's more room for experimentation with women and less expectation. sometimes that's a challenge, but I think it's overall better for me.

>>8510231
they aren't my friends anymore really, but I thought they were awhile ago. I do receive support from other cis lesbians. I'm friends with a lot of them, and a lot of them tend to be accepting. just not....all of them. there's definitely plenty of spaces where it becomes pretty obvious that it's afab4afab, even if those people aren't necessarily women (some are NB or trans mascs or whatever). granted this shit is nuanced, and some people are okay while others are not, but I've def had some isolating experiences and comments from people. obviously from non-queer people but even in queer spaces.

>>8510243
Hm, more intimacy and respect for boundaries sounds right for me too. Idk.

>>8510089
>but still counts as societal punishment for being a girl, i think.
No, people who do that tend to see their victim as men. They are punishing a man acting out of line, avoiding his male responsibilities, etc.

>>8510231
There are some nasty people out there. Just look at /clg/.

>>8510273
thats not relevant

>I'm a cis lesbian dating a trans girl.
I would stop inviting you to things as well since you are not a real lesbian.

>>8510273
You're saying that it's more transmisandry than any form of misogyny?

>>8510231
Don't be rude.

>>8510285
She ended the sentence with ", I think" which I thought was an invitation to provide alternative perspectives.

>>8510254
>there's definitely plenty of spaces where it becomes pretty obvious that it's afab4afab, even if those people aren't necessarily women (some are NB or trans mascs or whatever).
How can they possibly think they, cis and het people, need their own spaces excluding actual disprivileged people like trans folks?

>>8510374
this question doesn't make any sense desu

>>8509946
tbqh the two of you sound cute

>>8510414
aw thank you! :3 I'd like to think that we're really good for one another.

Does she want srs?

>>8510431
Nope.

>>8510435
I might have to steal her from you

>>8510437
we're poly, so, might not be out of the question. good luck tearing us apart tho :3c

Hope it doesn't come off as pervy but since you mentioned it, what do your gf and you normally do sexually? I (MtF) have a hard time imagining myself in bed with a cis girl because I fear she might expect me to act like a man.

>>8510231
This, kind of. Cis girl dating a trans girl and I have trouble imagining that anyone cares that much in real life. Maybe we're just lucky but I've not witnessed any irl transphobia in the time we've been together. Accidental misgendering is probably the only thing that's happened, and one friend asked me about me dating a mtf but that's it. Who knows what gets said when I'm not around but I doubt it's anything too bad.

>>8510448
not pervy imo, it's a fair question. we mostly do oral sex stuff and play with each others boobs a lot, sometimes I finger her ass or we use vibrators. I'm also into tenderkink garbage like siscon and furry shit so that comes into play sometimes as well. We both have a pretty hard boundary surrounding no piv sex.

>>8510472
>siscon
oh gosh!

>>8510465
honestly most people treat me....pretty okay. I used to be involved/friends with afab queers who possess a particular politic and kinda treat trans women just as people they tolerate. nothing outwardly mean necessarily just progressive isolation. granted there might be other reasons for it. there's been a lot of organizing this pride month & people outright saying shitty things so maybe I've just been a bit more sad about it recently.

>>8509946
>cis lesbian
>dating a trans girl
Does not compute.

>>8510392
>be cis fem
>have space excluding trans fem
>be trans masc
>have space excluding trans fem
>be het fem
>have space excluding gay fem

It's like a sick kind of reverse intersectionality.

>>8510515
She's not the only one. Just depends on whether you see trans women as legitimate women.

I personally could never see myself with anyone trans until I met my gf. Not out of any malice, I just wasn't interested and had no attraction to them. But she's perfect and I love her and giving it a chance was one of the best things I've ever done

>>8510562
fuck yes this warms my heart

>>8509946
Cool fan-fiction bro!

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>>8510513
Maybe that's where we differ. The people I socialise with aren't at all political about gender or sexuality. I can only think of a coupe of people I know who are a little snowflakey, but other than that we're a pretty normal bunch whose gender or sexuality is coincidental and only a part of our identities, not the defining feature.

Sorry people are jerks, anon. But if you and your gf are happy together then that's what's most important.

>>8510583
yeah, the city I live in can get super political and everyone's at each others throats all the time and super quick to isolate one another. It's overwhelming and come to think of it I'm glad I've distanced myself from it. My gf and I are extremely happy, it's pretty overwhelming actually, so I'm fine I think :)

>>8510562
>I personally could never see myself with anyone trans until I met my gf.
Is that because you didn't see trans women as legitimate women?
And I know it's *sometimes* not out of malice, but it really sucks to be categorically excluded from dating/friendship/whatever.
.

>>8510676
Not all women like penises

>>8510689
She didnt say anything about penises, she just said she didn't have any attraction or interest to trans people.
I just said it sucks, I'm not trying to force anyone to change their minds.

>>8510676
I'd just never been attracted to one before and I couldn't get off to the thought of it, so I assumed it wasn't for me.

There's a positive to be taken from that - that opinions can be changed.

I'm a trans girl dating a cis straight girl. We were together before my transition and even have a child together. She's supported me as best she can and I'm very grateful for that, but she definitely has some hang ups about being with a girl. She doesn't like being seen as a lesbian (she isn't homophobic or anything, but I think it causes her a minor identity crisis), she doesn't like having to take a more masculine role sometimes, which I totally understand, but I don't like that either so we have to compromise, and our sex life has suffered.
Honestly I'm surprised she has stayed with me. I didn't think she was that selfless. But she has really surprised me in a good way.

>>8510689
Good thing I don't have a "penis."

Just my cute lil' kielbasa sized clitty.

>>8510768
Whoa, you gotta elaborate

>>8510812
On what? I'm starting work right now but I'll try later.

>>8510768
What ages did you get together, when did you come out, when did you have the kid, and what ages are you now?

>she doesn't like having to take a more masculine role sometimes, which I totally understand, but I don't like that either
Won't that have been so before you get together anyway when you were still in the closet?

Cis bi girl here, how do I get a trans gf?

>>8511295
why do you want a trans gf?

>>8511318
Because I feel like our sexual interests might be more in tune. That, and I've had an easier time getting close to transwomen than cis girls.

>>8511295
Incubate an egg, then nurture the chick when she hatches and play mother hen.

>captcha 900s carefully

>>8511354
How do I find an egg?

>>8509946
welcome to the world of trans. I am surprised anyone is willing to date us to begin with, so thanks?

If you don't mind telling us about it, how did you two meet?

>>8511295
>>8511367

Please don't try to fetishize someone into being a crossdresser or a sissy

>>8511369
on tinder, funnily enough. I really have no idea how it worked out so well.

>>8511384
hey, if it works, it works. I am glad you guys found each toher.

I'll consider trying my luck there as well.

>>8511367
Idk. /tttt/, /r9k/, /tg/, /d/. Steam and pick the boy who always plays girls.

>>8511371
I do like those people too, but trans women are women.
>>8511395
I'm not really into roleplay hobbies tho

>>8511371
Don't worry, it won't work unless she was an egg to start with.

>>8511405
>but trans women are women.
Well, by the time you'll have finished with them if all goes to plan at least.

>I'm not really into roleplay hobbies tho
Like one our of five was roleplay. But you need to hunt where the prey is to be found, and boy do eggs love roleplay.

I'm a cis bi girl dating a trans girl, other than her saying we're in a heterosexual relationship (despite her being postop) and her using the men's bathroom things are pretty okay.

>>8510860
When we got together I was 18 and she was 17, when our child was born I was 21 and she was 20, currently I'm 22, almost 23, and she's 22. I began my transition at 20, 5 months before our child was born.

>won't that have been so before you get together anyway when you were still in the closet?
Kinda, but mostly I took on the masculine role because I felt obligated to.

>>8511405

That's exactly what I meant. I dont know why you exactly want to find a trans woman, I am just trying to protect them from chasers (and maybe dissuade you from chasers status, if you were one((which you clearly aren't, so sorry)).

>>8511459
how did they get srs? did they detransition?

How can you date mtfs when they're such terrible people? Do you hate yourself? Have you bought into the "it's not ok to not like penis" meme?

Why do you believe they're women? Would you fuck Donald Trump if he identified as a woman?

>>8511657
It's ok, one of my biggest fears is being seen as a chaser. I really do like trans girls and I don't want to masks them uncomfortable

>>8511459
thats bizarre

>>8511764
I'd fuck Donald Trump regardless desu.

>>8510289
>>>/clg/

>>8511459
>postop
>using the men's bathroom
what for? seems like a hassle to use the urinals while postop and why else would you use the men's room?

>>8511764
pretty triggered tbqh

>>8511812
She's right, you know.

>>8511828
There are lots of transwomen that agree with TERFs.

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>>8511806
Halleloo!

>>8511855
>>8510289
shoo terfs, shoo

>>8511778
It's not really that hard to not say something creepy. I don't mean to denounce your feelings, I know it can be tough, I am just saying the bar isn't set THAT low (from my perspective).

>>8511891
I know how to be respectful, but getting asked questions like, "why are you interested in trans women?, it throws me off. Do I need a special reason to like anyone? No one asks me why I'm attracted to cis girls.

>>8510210
sorry went to bed, you're probably not around

I really don't know just because I have no experience at all, I don't have many friends either. I tend to avoid lgbt events and clubs or whatever. I just want to forget I'm trans and be with someone, but I know that's just wishful thinking. I'll probably sit in my room all day hoping maybe something someday might happen

>>8512186
I'll sit in your room with you

>>8512152
Think about it this way: If you saw someone getting fucked by a pig, would you not ask why they're into fucking pigs?

>>8511764
>not wanting to fuck the savior of western society

>>8511764
TERFs get stupid triggered when they see le men usurp pussy privilege from them without even having pussies

Stay mad dyke! I date who I want.

>>8512152

No, not really. But the distinction is what stands out to me. I guess I am at fault for not recognizing the context it is said in.

Either way, for me personally, just swapping out bi for pan, shows you're still interested in me, without making it focus on just my group (which is transgirls). I know some people might give you flack for it, especially here, but I think it's the easiest, non-chasy way to convey your attractions.

>>8510289
True. If a tranny dates a bio woman that woman is bisexual.

>>8513920
I don't like men though. Cis men or trans men desu. I don't really have a genital preference.

>>8509975
what kind of sex do you have, if you dont mind me asking?

I'm a transwoman who dates women exclusively, I'm still a virgin, but I'm trying to figure out how I'd navigate sex with a woman who is a lesbian

>>8509946
>sometimes I feel really lonely because a lot of my other cis lesbian/AFAB queer friends stopped inviting me to things after awhile. I
why?
does your girlfriend not pass or something? how do they know, and why do they care?

>>8514125
Most trannies don't pass and they care because they're SJW misandrists.

>>8514162
that says nothing about OP girlfriend though.

>>8514123
don't worry your pretty little head about it.
it will never happen.

>>8511828
a) because she doesn't pass
b) the men's room has stalls too

>>8514184
ok.

>>8514123
She answered here
>>8510472

>>8514222
oh, thanks!!

>>8512152
i'm sorry, i'm the one who asked you this question. i asked because you were specifically asking how to get a trans gf so yeah, i assume there is a reason. you don't need to have a special reason to like anybody but it is silly to assume that there are no reasons that you seek out a certain group of people. i was just wondering what that may be. i didn't judgde or assume anything bad.

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>>8514243
I'm not sure if you read my original answer, but it's here >>8511327

>>8511327
More in tune how? Easier getting close why?

>>8509946
>I'm bored and kind of sad and love my gf and want to tell her but don't know how.
Use your words, idiot, and speak to it.

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>>8514287
>More in tune how?

I'm really into outercourse (oral, kissing, and sex activities that don't require penetration).

>Easier getting close why?
I don't really know the answer to this one; I don't have an easy time getting close to people in general, so I guess it has just all boiled down to circumstance.

>>8514335
Aren't cis girls into outercourse as much?

>>8511327
>and I've had an easier time getting close to transwomen than cis girls.

can't you just
flirt with the ones
you're having such an easy time getting to know?

im afab and dating a gay dude. he finds me hot- but mainly my back and backside. weve been dating for months and im still too anxious to talk to him about my feelings- specifically how im insecure that he will never find my genitals attractive. hes so great but i just wish i was born a dude

>>8514697
Just transition for him.

>>8509946
it's nice to know there are cis girls who like trannies
at this point talking to cis girls just makes me feel like an autistic freak who'll never fit in

>>8514722
It'll take time to resocialize, just relax and work on your mannerisms and such

>>8514666
They're all taken, Satan.

>>8511295
>>8515127
Get a high enough income to minimally take care of your tranny.

Watch as masses of qt trannies line up to be a cis girl's housewife

>>8514123
Out of interest, what do you have in mind? How would you like to have sex with a lesbian cis girl?

Asking for a friend

>>8515178
yeep.

A lot of transgirls have little / no support and are in a tough financial situation. On the bright side, apply here to get your very own proper christian transgirl wifeservant, today!

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>>8509946
If your friendships are dependent upon being tru-lesbian then you should probably make better friends

>>8514123
Not her but I've been with a couple cis les, mostly its just oral stuff on both ends. I had one who only wanted to receive oral which was fine. One was really into me sitting on her face. One was fixated on my butt and doing stuff to it.

>>8514123
>date women exclusively
>virgin
You've never dated anyone.

Who knew the lesbian community would be so hateful, nosy and good for nothing?

>>8515367
Everyone.

Les are okay if you meet them on their own or in couples but in groups they become fucking hyenas. No other letter of the branch is as arbitrary nor as crudely savage.

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>>8515367
>the lesbian community

kek

>>8509946
It's shitty to stop being friends with someone just because of who they date, but have you ever considered that there's actually another reason for your friends ignoring you?
People often change when they start dating someone new. I've also been in situations where my friend starts dating someone and starts ignoring me

>>8515551
This too desu. Is there something in particular they've said that makes you think that's the reason?

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>>8515178
>get a high enough income

I'll be too old to enjoy the experience by then.

>>8516024
Too bad, that's what boys go through to get a wife!

>>8516024
you don't have much of a choice, hon

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>>8516077
If that were the case, there wouldn't be so many couples.

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>>8516121
Sure, I do, since I'm planning on killing myself anyway

>>8516134
>thinking you can escape
You'll just be reincarnated.

>>8516135
As a dog, I hope, or maybe a flower.

>>8516024
Lure her with a trail of skittles leading to a cage

I'm a trans girl dating a lesbian cis girl. We don't do any icky PIV sex because that's gross to both of us. I finger her and eat her out, and we will put a vibrator between us while I'm wearing underwear to keep my problem tucked. She has told me many times about how much she wants to eat me out and finger me once I get my surgery. I don't see any reason that she shouldn't be considered a lesbian, considering we don't do any of the gross penis stuff and she has no interest in doing anything to my crotch unless it's tucked (I don't either). We just don't hang out with lesbians and bi women usually because they're a bunch of radical leftists for the most part and wouldn't accept us for our political beliefs (my girlfriend is a moderate left winger and I'm like dead center, leaning a little to the right).

>>8516162
I initially read that as
>I'm a trans girl dating a transbian cis girl
and did a double take

>>8516126
At least there wouldn't be many where the woman is the breadwinner... and there aren't!

>>8516164
If that were the case, I'd just be honest and say I'm dating a female chaser. Do female chasers even exist? Like not just people who are attracted to trans people, but like hardcore creepy fetishists like you find when you're dating men?

>>8516126
My girlfriend wants to be the breadwinner in our relationship. We're dating. I love her and she loves me. She is working on her masters degree. I have a bit of an obsession with pleasing her because it makes me feel good to serve her like that. You can lure trans girls with the promise of future too, anon.

>>8516126
Real talk don't get memed you just find and date one like you do normally

>>8516140
I think you come back as what you were when you died.
You can't switch levels until you complete the one you're on.

>>8511295
i don't think they're that hard to get
just meet trannies
a lot of transgirls (especially here) are transbians, and cis girls are rare enough that you shouldn't have a problem finding someone
another plus is transbians are often okay with their genitals, at least somewhat

be aware that trannies tend to be extremely mentally ill, often suicidal, and generally not in good places life-wise. you should be prepared to have to take care of someone.
that's one reason trans on trans dating works well is that both parties know what it's like

>>8514722
I'm autistic too so that certainly helps. I've met a handful of trans women that are retards lIke me and I think it's (one) reason why I've been friends with them and am dating one currently.

>>8516373
I'd like to get mad at you for saying that, but it's true. Being trans is tough.

>>8509946
>love my gf and want to tell her but don't know how.

>hello gf
>I love you

Just so.

>>8509946
>my other cis lesbian/AFAB queer friends stopped inviting me

They were never your friends then.

>>8509986
> Trans girl
> dating a guy
Anyone who dates a Trans person is bi

>>8510472
>siscon

do I want to know?

>>8515382
>cis bi male
>my best friend is a cis lesbo
>anytime she tries to introduce me to some of her other friends in a group setting it goes terribly wrong

holy shit, I think you are on to something

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>>8517484
I like to pretend I'm the big sister and she's the little sister. Sorry anon.

>cis girls autistic enough to use the REEE meme
Why aren't there more of these

>>8509946
>queer friends
nice "LGBQ anti-T" community you have there, I guess
unless you there is more to the story, who knows

>>8515354
nothing long term, no. i dont tell anyone about my dick right away.
i didn't date pre-transition.
>>8515322
huh. i can't image what she got out of you sitting on her face, but the rest of that sounds fine.
>>8515277
>Out of interest, what do you have in mind? How would you like to have sex with a lesbian cis girl?
I honestly dont know. Like I said I'm a virgin, but I think i'f be fine doing whatever the other person wanted, barring gross shit like peeing or defecating on one another.
I'd probably be okay using my dick as long as I didn't have to be on top. missionary would trigger me I think, but as long as I'm on my back I'd be fine I think.

I dont like anal stuff all that much, but a girl fingering me or using a dildo on me would be fine.

>>8516204
but you can go down a level, cant you?

>>8519186
>what she got out of it
umm.. a girl she thought was hot had her ass on her face. its just hot booty action and kinda submissive.

>>8519195
i guess i'm just not a big fan of butt stuff