Trans between Cultures

>>8494357
Because they're more accepted by society there than trans people are in most of NA.

>>8494371
Is that the main why some ladyboys don't seem as much stir crazy as some of the ones in the USA?

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>>8494357
>that picture
Here I was thinking asians did passing better

There's cultural and religious reasons for it, IIRC buddhism/etc is tolerant and some monks even crossdress for festivals; whereas western culture has spent the last 1500 years having a certain mindset deeply ingrained into them. It's pretty hard to change that.

>>8494371
Are you serious? Ladyboys are the bottom layer of society. Its litteraly the lowest you can sink. The only reason they are more accepted is because they attract rich western tourists. And well beating up ladyboys is the least of their worries in one of the shittiest countries in the world.

>>8494415
So, its more like they're "tolerated" rather than just full on accepted?

>>8494412
>Here I was thinking asians did passing better

A good chunk of them do, but even they got their own Hons, surprisingly.

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>>8494371
They are tolerated, and pitied. And it's said that they had fucked up pretty badly in previous life to be a trans in this one

>>8494357
this image triggers my agp so much

i just imagine myself walking among other scantily clad ladyboys in bikinis acting like a complete faggot while showing off my hrt body

in hindsight id likely be too autistic to socialize and walk carelessly through the beach though

What about singapore?

>>8494357
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/better-the-second-time-around/
>>8494456
http://www.transkids.us/singapore.html

>>8494456
Singapore is horrible for trans people
>>8494415
>Are you serious? Ladyboys are the bottom layer of society. Its litteraly the lowest you can sink. The only reason they are more accepted is because they attract rich western tourists. And well beating up ladyboys is the least of their worries in one of the shittiest countries in the world.
>doesn't know what they are talking about

1st off Ladyboys are part of thai culture for more than a thousand years
Buddhism especially Thai variety if very non-confrontational so people don't really address when they are actively against something but Buddhist culture also teaches them to take people as they are.

Wealthy families don't disown their ladyboy kids not even lower class do it it's unacceptable thai people actually have real family values

Whoring is actually seen as a normal job in Thailand also the majority of ladyboys are not whores most work in malls and other ordinary jobs like air hostess and waitress. The rich ones got o uni and work better paying jobs than most men will ever have in that country including foreigners

The Tourists angle is nonsense too but i will tell you being with a foreigner especially white is seen as a low class thing to do and lowers the value of a women, she is seen as someone who wants to have a mixed kid to save herself etc
Ladyboys can't have kids and so they are more free to date foreign men

Lastly Thailand is not a shithole it's the most prosperous nation in SEA and it's pretty relevant for a country most people only think of as a tourist destination a major US ally and longtime friend. Thais themselves are very nationalistic and despite having the means to leave more often than other SEAsians they tend to stay in Thailand even most who get married to Foreigners stay in Thailand only the extremely poor leave home
They usually miss Thailand too and can't wait to get back look at the Thai diaspora numbers they are low as fuck

>>8494412
1, 2, and 4 are cis

>>8494774
no they aren't

>>8494357
No gatekeeping. They can buy hrt on the streets anytime they want as kids so they pass better and assimilate unlike the huge majority of westerners who will never pass because being gate kept.

>>8494774
They pass horribly for cis women or even Asian men though

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>>8494811
4 has a western boyfriend and runs her own ladyboy bar

>>8494831
Skull size would have a lot to say. How could someone with all those advantages be so not good at passing?

>>8494763
Is it the way across the Philippines and Singapore as it is in Thailand as you said? I know Catholicism is a major religion in PH, so I don't know if the acceptance is as easy as it is in Thailand.

>>8495923
>Is it the way across the Philippines and Singapore as it is in Thailand as you said?
no the Philippines is not great for trans people there are even large numbers of trans pinays who move to Thailand becuase it's better for them same with Cambodians and Lao
Singapore is not good for trans women either or any lgbt persons

The large difference lies in the fact that Thailand was never colonized while all of nations in SEA were.
Thus Thais kept their culture uninfluenced by western/mideast ideology

>>8496111
>The large difference lies in the fact that Thailand was never colonized while all of nations in SEA were.

Oh shit, I totally forgot about that part. That makes a lot more sense now to me.

>>8494427
They look like middle aged mexican women

>>8494357
Because in places like Thailand and Brazil, they have a specific role that's cut out for them, there's no playing it by ear or much trying to blend in with genetic women. I understand Philippines is a bit less crude than Thailand though.

But then, SJWs are hellbent on making it the same way here, on becoming the cornerstone, the bounding box for the one proper social role for transwomen ... and for transmen, though that might not be an as easy challenge.

>>8496585

>Brazil

This is a meme, it's just because they do a lot of porn.

>>8496781
That IS the role over there. Brazil IS one big meme.

>>8494357
The word ladyboy repulses me. Fucking gooks.

>>8496917
Why? Does it trigger you like how some trans might refer to themselves and others as "trannies"?

0% of gay MtFs and 100% of straight MtFs transition in southeast Asia. Why? because their whole existence is built on sex with western men.

>>8494357

They don't have retarded feminists feeding them poison like HAES, "equality", "toxic masculinity", not shaving/making an effort at being pretty and feminine, etc.

>>8496926
Underclass that are seen as animals and killed for sport in a failed state. At least people who pass here can blend in.

>>8496550
Well, Pinoys are basically Asian Mexicans.

>>8494763
Is the suicide rate high for Trans in Thailand and so forth?

>>8500223
In singapore, yes

>>8500229
Is it simply because of their society being not as accepting or the mental problems that can arise from being trans? I kind of noticed that a lot of ladyboys don't really refer to themselves as trans, more or less they still see themselves as gay guys, just very accepting of their feminine nature and dressings.

>>8500425
>more or less they still see themselves as gay guys
What's wrong with that?

>>8500710
Nothing is wrong with that, its just that how casual they are with it. Like, they understand they'll always be guys and aren't really too keen to throw out the "we're actually women" label.

>>8500425
>>8500710
that's actually a realistic outlook
we need to start /trap/ gen and save our guys from tranny meme

>>8500425
>>8500425
Both but the most difficult part is not getting family support or getting kicked out at a young age. Most end up as prostitutes eventually

>>8494811
all Thai are kinda ugly

>>8494357
OTC hormone therapy at 16

>>8500425
>>8500735
So like trailer trash level femboys with gross implants no dignity and no ability to work for anything except prostitution?

>>8500822
This. As younger transition (16-20) becomes more common, let alone childhood transition, the common view of Transwomen will shift from the Catlyn Jenner-type old man pretending/in a dress stereotype to a more "okay no but look closely at her you can tell shes a dude" type culture

>>8500827
it's amazing what bras can do
most are performers in night clubs, but who says one can't be educated and also have a day job?

>>8500425
the majority consider themselves to be just ladyboys as in third gender
it's the same with trans in India Hijra consider themselves to just be Hijra not women not men but 3rd gender it's a cultural distinction without much difference they simply fight more to have ids that show they are not men than ones that show they are "women"

This is really an Asian cultural thing same among Polynesians and Muxe in mexico

>>8494357
the passability rates are about the same so what would be the difference?

How common is it for Thai ladyboys to get SRS? Thailand has become an SRS hotspot but maybe like a lot of things there it's more aimed at westerners than locals.

>>8501726
Notice how hiraja are also an underclass and get killed for sport in the streets there. And it's even worse for them since they don't have easy access to hrt so they all look like hons. Femboys seem like a way more patrician version of that than ladyboys and hiraja which are basically seen as only good for being whores.

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>>8494357
I'd date one if I wasn't scared of them taking my money and giving back to their families in their home country. The Filipino ones seem really chill compared to the nut case T-girls I see in my city, though I could be wrong.

>>8496550
I mean... technically that's still passing.

>>8502031
India was colonized and it fucked up their pre colonial lgbt culture and sexuality they became british puritanical types
That's why Thailand is so much better than India for lgbt people
Middle eastern religions and colonialism kills lgbt tolerance

>>8501991
pretty common most of the patients from those doctors are locals
But it's pretty hard tio save uypo some ladyboys are the main source of income for their whole families and need to send money every week/month can't save for much of their own things
>>8502069
I would suggest dating a SEA trans girl Filipino will speak english and their culture is pretty western influenced so will be easier to date even if you are an uncultured american.

also Asian trans are more likely to like men who like them lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pUiSvrLdyc

>>8494763
You don't know shit.

>>8503191
I know more than you

>>8502168
>I would suggest dating a SEA trans girl Filipino will speak english and their culture is pretty western influenced so will be easier to date even if you are an uncultured american.

Yeah, I got that impression that they'd be easier to be around. Any experience being around ladyboys in those countries?

>also Asian trans are more likely to like men who like them lol

Its one of the reasons why I like them.

I'm always kind of bothered by the complete lack of ftms in other cultures other than native americans. I mean, I know they exist, but they've always been completely invisible.

>>8505080
Now that you mention it, yeah. There's more of a draw to femininity all over the world it seems when it comes to a transsexualism. I'm sure there is some interviews or documentaries on the subject.

>>8494357
How is their treatment different from western hrt? They always seem so different, I can't put my finger on it though. Actual hons seem to flock towards their herbal thailand stuff, any validity in that?

>>8494456
>tfw Singaporean femboy who wants to transition but ain't retarded
To repressgen I go

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>>8505080
in Thailand they are in their infancy since it's not a cultural norm like MTFs Right now they do have a strong "dyke" culture and so people who may transition simply identify as TOMs which are masculine women who usually date other women but sometimes date men and ladyboys too

I think you;ll see some of them transition soon
>>8505190
it isn't but nearly all trans in Thailand transition at 13-18
>>8505483
Move to Thailand??
That sucks though Singapore is pretty nice aside from their lgbt rights record.

>>8505535
I can't speak a word of Thai and I'm still studying here. It's probably too late for me to transition anyways since I'm nearly 23.

>>8505583
Q_Q that's not too late
You'll pass to white people if you move to the USA
don't repress forever you'll just end up a hon at 50

>>8505483
How old are you? I'm a singaporean too

>>8504129
As a matter of fact, any Filipinos around with the experience of being around ladyboys in PH?

>>8505583
23 isn't too late, but the sooner you start the less you have to worry about

you know what you have to do

because asians tend to (usually) have softer features and more androgynous bodies, making it easier to transition. I doubt they are openly embraced in their countries though

bc there, they're viewd as a third gender

>>8505821
>I doubt they are openly embraced in their countries though

The ones I've talked to seem to do just fine coming out to their parents and family. It would seem like they aren't ridiculed as hard as they would in other countries.

I feel ashame as fuck when foreigner think about my country(Thailand) they thought about tranny depressing as fuck.

>>8506870
When I think of Thailand I think of cheap living, trannies, and tourist scams.

>>8505821
>>8506124
Thais do not disown their sons or daughters for being lbgt
They also give their lgbt kids the same treatment as far as financial support if they are wealthy the kids go to college etc
>>8506870
not really what i think about nor the tourism shit I actually always liked Thailand since i was a kid mostly due to the nice architecture and Buddhist culture which i always admired especially as a young weep/history nerd

>>8500827
It's fucking Thailand dude, the only other jobs are peddling bootleg Bintang singlets, serving drinks to wypipo or getting trench foot in a rice paddy.

>>8506907
you don't know anything about Thailand most ladyboys are not whores
Most work retail Thais are pretty into shopping lots of malls in the big cities
Thailand is a big economy for what it is they are doing well

also recently
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ladyboy-air-hostesses-thai-airline-281813

>>8506945
Thailand has the slowest growth rate of south east Asia in part because they have a crazy military regime that shoots up the streets and disappears critics

>>8507736
larger economy slower growth and yeah the military is fucking up the country but the jobs market is fine

>>8507736
Same as the Philippines?

>>8494412
The middle one's not sooo bad

>>8508948
The right side look better

>>8506870
When I think of thailand I first think of curry and coconut rice and also pad thai

>>8505535
>but sometimes date ladyboys too
How common it is?
I've been wondering cause for a while cause it seems like a perfect match
But from what I've seen people think ladyboys dating anything other than men is really weird yet I wonder if it applies to toms too? Since they're basically like guys

>>8494745
is kay brown your mom
that would explain a lot

>>8505080
My theory is that this is due to misogyny. Hear me out: someone seen as a man is allowed to "degrade" themselves but someone seen as a woman is not allowed to "climb up".

>>8501726
This is why I think the idea that the gender binary is a social construct is retarded. Third genders in various cultures are always just feminine biological males or masculine biological females, it seems to me that idea of a third gender is just what some primitive societies created in order to explain the phenomenon of trans people existing.

>>8494803
Why can't other countries adopt this policy could you imagine being like 12-13 years old and going in buying hormones over the counter never going through male puberty and being able to treat your agp and dysphoria with out having a bunch of lame ass doctors telling you to wait to see if it's a phase like dude I would have never repressed.

>>8511682
It's interesting how that's more or less become the opposite in NA and EU now. Someone who looks like a girl wearing masculine clothes or acting in a masculine way is much more accepted than the opposite. Maybe it's because of the West's historically meritocratic culture, a woman is seen as improving herself if she acts masculine, but a man doing the same is seen as damaging and thus a sign of severe mental illness, because "why would anyone want to be a woman?".

>>8502168
>also Asian trans are more likely to like men who like them lol

When you say this, do you mean that Asian ladyboys are more likely to accept the advances of chasers? I'd only conclude that the reason for that is due to money rather than potential relationships.

>>8511682
>>8512431
Yet feminists call MtFs getting treated worse than FtMs misogyny too...

>>8514121
Don't know about the rest of SEA but from what I've seen thai ladyboys often are the sugar mamas of the relationship not the other way around

>>8512431
But it's a modern development in the west and pretty much came with the feminism
I don't think it has anything to do with actual western culture, it's just more visible there since it started there, the trend for masculine women to be increasingly more socially accepted is worldwide and generally associated with women's rights

>>8512321
>it seems to me that idea of a third gender is just what some primitive societies created in order to explain the phenomenon of trans people existing.
well it is pretty obviously
but you also have to remember that the trans people int hat culture will be biased and consider themselves not trans becuase to them that's a western thing even if they are trans which they are

>>8514121
Has nothing to do with money lots of guys are pretty poor and the ladyboys make more money than them. It's difficult for foreign men to make lots of money in Thailand as the government prevents foreigners from working in many fields and almost all ladyboyXFarng relationships are in Thailand they do not go to the foreigners country

They are just more into men who like trans women specifically this is because they identity is tied to their transness not how much they are like(or aren't) women

Meaning it does not invalidate their identity to be liked for being trans

>>8514519
>>Don't know about the rest of SEA but from what I've seen thai ladyboys often are the sugar mamas of the relationship not the other way around

This is true also in Latin america lots of trans women pick up bum ass men so they can control them financially
also since they grew up male trhey were told to win people over with money so thats what they do but instead of the normal man way of doing it they take the manipulative feminine route.

>>8494415
> Ladyboys are the bottom layer of society. Its litteraly the lowest you can sink.
There are plenty of rich ladyboys and today it isn't difficult to find them working in IT, office admin work or at retail.

>>8501991
>How common is it for Thai ladyboys to get SRS?
Very common.
My ex-gf is a Thai ladyboy after SRS.AMA, we are still friends.

>>8514121
>When you say this, do you mean that Asian ladyboys are more likely to accept the advances of chasers? I'd only conclude that the reason for that is due to money rather than potential relationships.

Chaser shaming is only part of Western trans culture. It is perfectly normal for men in South America and South East Asia to seek sex with trans girls because they are trans and tgirls don't think it is weird or wrong.Some enjoy the attention and think it is sexy.

>>8494763
You didnt live there

>>8516238
You mean late transitioning hons like here in the west?

>>8516301
>You mean late transitioning hons like here in the west?
Absolutely not.
Like others said, the rich and middle class families will send their trans child like any other to uni and support them in getting a job.
The poorer ones if they want go to retail. But majority prefers prostitution as there is more money from it.

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>>8516275
>Chaser shaming is only part of Western trans culture. It is perfectly normal for men in South America and South East Asia to seek sex with trans girls because they are trans and tgirls don't think it is weird or wrong.Some enjoy the attention and think it is sexy.

Reason #30 why SEA ladyboys>>>>Western Trannies