FFS - /Facial Feminisation Surgery General/

"A maxillary impaction and probably a CCW rotation could have really reduced the perceived length of that midface. I mean, it's not essential, but if you really want to maximise your appearance for the long term."

"But they don't perform Maxfac surgery on FFS patients. They assume that if a tranny goes to them, they're there for a typical FFS overhaul, and they wouldn't be interested in maxfac, even if that's the best way to achieve good, long term results. Most people aren't even aware maxfac is an option. If you go to a regular maxfac surgeon that isn't primarily known among trannies for FFS (they can still do FFS, but if it's a significant part of their typical procedural list for the year, then they should be avoided), explain to them that you currently are/are planning to transition to female, then they'll give you the best foundation upon which to build with future surgeries (surgeries concerning facial features ie. lip lifts, eyes etc.), which again should not be performed by FFS surgeons. FFS surgeons missed the boat on some underlying principles which now separate the minority of good surgeons who continuously achieve outstanding results, and the vast majority who achieve underwhelming or overzealous results."

if considering FFS, look into the above first

i <3 u

I'm candidate for CCW rotation (by double jaw surgery). But I resigned knowing fully well results would be amazing. The downtime is very long and maintenance (braces) is PITA. I'm too old for this shit (29).

If you are in your early 20s do it. DO IT!

>>8488961
? im in new jersey if you wanna meet

>>8488965
why exactly would you need CCW and why wouldnt you follow through with it?

>>8488934
So I need my brow and jaw done. How much would that cost? Should I just get full FFS instead? Also besides DB is there any surgeons in the US that are good? I wont go to spiegal.

>>8488974
going to facial team would be cheaper if you disregard travel fees

Full forehead reconstruction with facial team (brow, type 3, contouring, hairline lower) is approximately 4.5k euros

Jaw work is 3.5k euros

again with jaw work, if you only need mandible contouring (pretty much all ffs surgeons offer when they say jaw surgery) then get it done with an ffs surgeon.

IF however you need surgery done to the jaw to reduce length, facial harmony and so on and so forth, then it would be best to get maxillofacial surgery before ffs

>>8488972
My lower jaw protrudes forward and upper jaw is sucked back making my profile 'C' like. Surgeon explained to me that I would need double jaw surgery with rotation to fix it. He also pointed out that my current jaw is very unusual for a girl and he would try to fix it too for no extra cost (jaw shave).

who /fms/ here?
deschamps-braly offers it but doesn't have any public results
interested in both normal f*s stuff (brow, chin, adam's apple, etc) and maxfac stuff (i have a mild overbite that's possibly a culprit in sleep apnea, and am trying to figure out how to get masculinizing surgery out of this if my diagnosis is confirmed)

>>8488974
As someone who did just forehead - don't break it into two surgeries (forehead and jaw) after first you will definitely don't want to do second one.

>>8488983
Well thanks for the answer and yeah I just need mandible contouring my face looks wide as hell.

>>8488986
again, much like FFS, FMS can enhance good features, if the features are lacking in the first place then maxillofacial/craniofacial surgery would be the logical first step

>>8488990
care to explain where you had yours?

>>8488990
What do you mean? Don't go twice or don't do both?

>>8488993
then facialteam, spiegal, deschampes/any surgeon specialising in FFS will be able to help you

>>8488999
I had mine forehead with Dr. Bart 1 year ago. Brow is okish (I still think he could do more) and he completely fucked up my hairline to a point I had to get hair transplant (3 weeks ago!).

>>8489003
>spiegal
I've heard multiple horror stories of Spiegal.

>>8489002
Do it all at once. Recovery is really straining you mentally. And you look like shit for a long time.

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>>8488995
i have very androgynous features and always have -- neither e nor t did much to me at all
i pass in real life and look roughly 14/15, as confirmed by the way people treat me, but look more feminine in photos
i have a couple really bad features, most notably that i have extremely arched eyebrows like in pic related that have *always* looked like that (no plucking involved) and didn't masculinize at all on t, and significantly feminize my upper face

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>>8489010
and theyre not unfounded

>>8489016
brow work senpai

>>8489012
Alright thanks for the advice.

I don't have a much brow bossing and it isn't noticeable in day-to-day life but I have two little nubs on the center of my forehead that I believe were the start of my brow bossing. Now lucky I've stopped that shit in it's tracks but would I really have to pay like $8k just to have that small shit removed? It's like nothing.

Does anyone know any good surgeons that offer trach shaves?

Biggest bang for your buck?

>>8489037
a number of non ffs surgeons may be able to perform a trachea shave

>>8489043
I've seen some people going to Thailand for it. They seem pretty experienced and it'd only be like $500.

I'd be worried about the language barrier though.

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if anyone wants the spiegal experience, they can also try meth

>>8489019
I mean, zer does look more feminine

>>8489046
>>8489046
yeah language barrier would be a thing, but at the same time, westerns flock to south korea for surgery despite the language barrier

i imagine depending where you go in thailand, that sort of thing will be accounted for

also for small things that are done piecemeal such as just a trachea shave, thailand is just a viable option as any other place

>>8489050
yes and the thing is, spiegal is renowned for the subtletly of his work whereas that patient would have probably fared better with a more aggressive approach

the majority of the things xer had done are noticeable, albeit subtly and unless youre looking for them you wont notice

>>8489057
It'd be more the cost than anything else.

$5k vs. $500 + $900 for the flight, plus hotel and food I guess

>>8489061
do you research, find a place and then go for it, if its cheaper then why not

>>8489068
I get worried about the small chance of my vocal chords getting damaged, but I know it's something I need to do to be passable.

>>8489074
i wouldnt worry about it

>>8489060
do you have any other examples. I don't mean to be rude if that is a person that posts here but they were starting with a face that is very masculine.
I agree though, it must suck to pay all this money and get very minor "tweaks" to your appearance.
is anyone here familiar with that 2pass clinic? they had a ton of before and after shots on their site and it seemed like the best when I initially started researching ffs.

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>>8489080
>>8489080
>>8489080
a better example done by spiegal

this person had a better canvas for spiegal to edit essentially than >>8489019

which is why >>8488945
should be considered prior to ffs

reading all of this makes me depressed

>>8489107
why?

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can someone please give me prices for forehead reconstruction with facial team and with dr zukowski? pleaseeeee

my friend who is a plastic surgery connosseur told me to do forehead with zukowski because he is the best one for that but he is terrible at everything else. and she told me to get my rhinoplasty and cheek implants with a doctor in mashhad, iran.

>>8489119
>forehead with zukowski because he is the best one for that
Really? I live literally 2 hours from his office. Still I need more than just forehead and kind of want everything done at once.

>>8489080
I got my surgery with 2pass (aka Dr. Bart)

>>8489124
2 hours away? wow ur so lucky u can recover at home. i would have to travel 10 hours to get to dr z.

Anyone heard anything good about
Dr. Toby Mayer? I saw he did Gia darlings ffs and before well I don't think she would have made it in her career. Most of the results I've seen from him aren't bad. He's also not just an ffs doctor so I'd imagine that help.

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>>8489119
senpai

this image will help

>>8489153
depends where you go

again, rhinoplasty is a fairly standard procedure in terms of who can do it

chin you have a whole range of options, sliding geniplastys, implants, shaving, etc etc

what exactly about your chin do you want done?

>>8488934
I'm curious how long does it take to perform ffs? Like how many hours generally? Also how long do you have to stay there until you can go home?

>>8489108
i know so little about ffs and don't even know what i actually need and not just want. reading about all of the things i never even heard of just makes me hope i don't make any mistakes/wrong decisions by the time i go for it

>>8489019
I'm really scared to go to spiegel cause of results like this like how do you know if you have the perfect canvas to start with like this whole thing is confusing it seems that once I have my heart set on one surgeon someone comes out of the wood work to show how they were botched. I've considered 2pass, spiegel, facial team, and Harrison lee, even chetawut at one point but now that I have most of the money saved up in a year I'm completely lost on who to go to.

>>8489128
Are you happy with the results and were you passable before ffs? I feel like that makes the difference.

>>8489160
thank you! damn just forehead with them adds up to ALOT, and their results are meh...

>>8489165
depends on what youre having done, most of the time youre in hospital for 2 days before being allowed to leave, then its r&r, then recovery

>>8489175
from the sounds of that, the following is what you should look into:
- chin shave
- chin contouring
- v-line surgery

>>8489184
i know that struggle and im in the same boat, but it would help to seek the advice of maxillofacial and craniofacial surgeons and see what they say you need done before then going onto to getting ffs

on a side note, many ffs surgeons such as those at facial team are craniofacial/maxillofacial surgeons in addition to cosmetic surgeons

read the second paragraph in >>8488945

>>8489191
read the second paragraph in >>8488945
get the advice of maxillofacial surgeons, craniofacial surgeons, scans etc and tell them you plan on having ffs later so they can give you the best canvas

facialteam or deschampes-braly are your best bets desu

>>8489203
its all about communicating what you want done, if you dont say much, expect a conservative result.

>>8489203
I've seen a lot of good results from them. I'm probably gonna end up getting everything done with them. Although I'm the person that lives 2 hours away from Zukowski so idk maybe I can consider going to him for forehead.

>>8489203
also keep in mind that price for forehead reconstruction includes literally the works

>>8488945
So you couldn't have this done at the same time as ffs? I really really don't want to go twice.

>>8489218
facialteam market themselves as being heavily invested in facial harmony and what works well with ones face, sure A LOT can be changed if requested, but they put a great deal of effort into aesthetics. Just go in knowing what you want, get their advice and confirmation and opinion and be happy

>>8489221
what do you mean?

>>8489227
if you say ffs and refer to getting say:
hairline lowering
forehead reconstruction
chin shave
mandible contouring
nose job

then no, it would not be a good idea nor would it be performed at the same time

maxillofacial/craniofacial should be done first (if required) then ffs

think of it as your face being either a canvas or a piece of cardboard, and ffs being someone painting, sure a piece of carboard can be painted on but a canvas would look better

>>8489236
last i checked facial team include something along the lines of:

forehead contouring
forehead surgery (shave this, grind that, fill this, remove that)
brow bossing/brow work
hairline work

as a package referred to as forehead reconstruction

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>20-70k

>>8489239
we all gonna make it...we...all...gonna...make it

if it means that much to you:

take a loan out, get ffs, get a job and work said job whilst happy with your results to pay back loan

as opposed to

work a job and be unhappy, get older whilst working said job trying to afford ffs

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>>8489239
iktf

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>>8489214
Would I be able to reach out to maxfac surgeon on like realself app unlike ffs surgeons I have zero clue on who to go to for a consult. Are most plastic surgeons trained in maxfac? Cause like I've gotten opinions from this board and leddit on what I need but I still feel my chin is my worst feature mabye I have bdd about it anyways here's a picture of my hair tied up to show forehead and no glasses. I'm thinking I need type three lip lift, jaw shave and a nose job. I know I need a ton of work lol.

>>8489255
yes realself is a good means of doing just that. However getting multiple opinions, both online and in person is always best.

>are most plastic surgeons trained in maxfac
no

>are facialteam and deschampes braly trained in maxfac
yes

>would it be better to see a maxfac surgeon and get solely maxfac work done before anything related to ffs
yes if you need it

>do I need it
no you dont, senpai if you went to facialteam, deschampes or spiegal for that matter with the knowledge of what you want done, they will do a good job on your face

hairline contouring, brow bossing, mandible contouring, slight rhinoplasty (if you want), and v-line surgery in regards to the chin

that would be ideal for you

>>8489214
>depends on what youre having done, most of the time youre in hospital for 2 days before being allowed to leave, then its r&r, then recovery
How long would you be out for them to preform a full ffs? I don't know why being out for long periods of time scares me.

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so facial team is one option, does anyone know prices for forehead reconstruction with zukowski?

right now im looking to get forehead done with z, rhinoplasty and fat transfer/implants to cheek with a doctor in iran.

i just got a new full time job for about a year, if i save all the money ill be making i can afford some FFS. im only 20 and live alone so saving money wont be that hard. i really feel i need to make this sacrifice now before its too late...

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>>8489248
I'd have to wait til I graduate for that amount. Then I'd be stacking interest forever. Idk what to do. I dunno how much it would be for me to get in fucked.
Sorry I know it's not passgen but how deep would I be for someone that knows what they are doing?
>>8489249
>tfw your brow was masc af before high school

>>8489298
Why would you want to go to Zukowski after what he did to Angie and Michelle?

>>8489320
for forehead he is the best.

>>8489298

The more I look at FFS pictures the more I realize that it's literally impossible to look like a natal female if you don't already have the skull and facial proportions for it.

Getting a flatter forehead, smaller jaw or a narrower nose doesn't count for shit if it's all plastered on a male noggin'.

>>8489314
lmao all i can say is forehead contouring/hair transplants (to help contour hairline)

literally all you need, anything else would be vanity

>>8489291
again depends on how much you have done, 4-12 hours?

>>8489328
maxillofacial and craniofacial surgery address these issues

>>8489339

They can't change the shape of the eyes, or their proportion relative to the rest of the face.

They can't change how large, tall, or square the skull is.

They can have a minor impact on the length of the face if this is out of proportions, but shortening a regular male face is just going to make it look odd.

>>8489334
What about my brow, chin and jaw tho?

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>>8489119
I went to Z and he did great with my forehead. Everything else just was bad or mediocre.
Pic for reference

>>8488934
What happens if your face is good enough that you actually do only need "subtle work", and your cis friends look at you like you're legitimately insane when you tell them you want facial surgery? Should you just go to Facial Team anyway, because Spiegel still isn't worth it? Let them know to be gentle? Idk...

>>8489367
yes. you have dysphoria

tell your friends that. give them a brochure if they need

>>8489320
Michelle Hendley looks great though

>>8489356
BDD

>>8489339
Can you get those after ffs? I kind of don't want to do too many surgeries and if I look fine after just ffs I want to stop.

>>8489367
If your face looks fine never go to Spiegal anon.

>>8488934
how much does Forehead & orbital reconstruction + hairline transplant cost from facial team?

>>8489383
I guess what I'm really wondering is if I would be okay going to someone like Cardenas, he's a lot cheaper but he seems to do "okay" work. Of course, most of his patients still look AMAB afterwards, but they had worse starting conditions than me...

Or should I take NO chances whatsoever and ONLY go with Facial Team? Like are they the only ones who know how to make someone look AFAB?

>>8489372
Idk about that. I'm p sure I'd be close to passing with some brow work desu

With the hairline thing, would dyeing my roots help if they are super light?
They're like almost clear in some parts.

>>8489392
Don't take chances that you don't need to anon. How would you feel if you went to Cardenas and you ended up paying to look uglier than before? Facial Team is the best for the the money they cost.

>>8489394
Anon unless you have a really sloped forehead or something that I can't see I think you're fine

>>8489355
just dont be born a cuck then

but you underestimate what they can do, especially given that type of surgery is meant for people suffering from birth defects or catastrophic trauma

>cant change how large, tall or square the skull is
do you know what the skull is or are you referring to the face, skull surgery exists.

But yes for the most part, shortening a regular male face will look odd, but if the face is long due to bite problems, jaw defects etc then it will have a phenomenal effect.

>>8489356
bdd but if you want then lmao go to spiegal and tell him to give you subtle work

>>8489367
if you want surgery, get it, tell the surgeons what you want, they'll do it to their ability and your requests

>>8489379
again, most people wont need maxfac/cranfac, people just need to know that these surgeries should be performed before ffs if they are needed. If you go see maxfac surgeons and tell them to examine your jaw etc and it turns out their is nothing wrong with it, then dont get it.

>>8489390
see >>8489238 >>8489160

>>8489408
what is their hair transplant cost though? i heard facial team can harvest hairs during the coronal incision for hairline transplant

>>8489413
no idea fampai, book a free skype consult and get a quote

did you even look at the image? 3500 euros for forehead reconstruction (via coronal) which includes hairline lowering/transplant

>>8489214
>chin shave
>chin contouring
>chin v-line surgery

Haha, well time to kill myself I guess because I'll never be able to afford those without going into debt and we haven't even said anything about the rest of my face yet.

>>8489419
i didnt say all three of them, i just said look into those three things

v-line a lot of the time will address any issues you have in 1 procedure

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>>8489367
oh, the michelle you were talking about is hendley
you know i'm biased on this, but go to cardenas
at your starting point you will not turn out any better with meme teme than you will with cardenas, and the cost breakdown makes anyone else unviable by comparison

>>8489403
>>8489405
I dunno there's a pretty noticeable bump there.
How do I know what's bdd and what's real, if it's not bad???

>>8489434
usually if people on 4chan which isn't prone to hugboxing, tell you that you look fine, then theres a strong chance you look fine.

>>8489441
That isn't true.
I get told here that I have BDD but that is wrong

>>8489433
>breasts category

>>8489441
Shit, I always took most stuff here as hugboxing desu.
Are you sure about this not being a hugbox?

>>8489448
If people tell you you look fine on 4chan they aren't lying. Post picture I'll be brutally honest if you look like shit or not.

>>8489452
Go to /cd/ they are literally the only place that has higher passing standards than here.

>>8488945
OK so specifically what are the names of relevant procedures

>>8489452
You're right I was being nice. To be honest you need full FFS literally full FFS your face is that bad. All your friends are lying to you and hell even the people on 4chan are being nice to you since you look so ugly and they feel bad. Is this what you want to hear?

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>>8489454
Already posted my profile >>8489366
And I know I look like shit

>>8489462
go to maxfac surgeons, get scans, ask them to examine you.

>do you have a disproportionate mid face?
no - youre good
yes - get what they rec to fix it

rinse and repeat

>do you have jaw issues
no - youre good
yes - see above

>>8489452
lmao, there obvs is some hugboxing, but look at the people who go on 4chan, do you think they're gonna just fuckin lie to you to make you feel good? no they're gonna be straight up brutal, if what they say isn't too bad, then youre good.

>>8489466
lmao you dont look like shit, you look like a dorky country girl in a good way

>>8489480
OK but even finding a surgeon in the first place what if they're shit at whatever procedure? Are you just recommending shotgun basically everyone you can find nearby? The difference is the when searching for ffs surgeons there are several that are well know so you can consult with them. There isn't a parallel with the others
What if the ones near you are just shit? But are you gonna fly around the country consulting with random ones not guaranteed to be any better? There's just no info to hook onto.

>>8489492
do research, look at results, realself, etc etc

alternatively go to people like deschampes braly who are ffs surgeons but also offer maxfac, and get maxfac from them first.

but yes essentially, anyone that offers it, as long as they're good

South korea's forté is jaw work/maxfac

>>8489511
Jesus nevermind..

>>8489511
I actually considered going to korea for jaw work.

>>8489456
Ohh, I'll post there but desu I probs have some shit with perception that's fucked, I had like uniqlo small shirts are 10/10 in everything but bust for me as far as fitting, but I still feel like my shoulders are hugeeee.
I dunno I don't think I have it to the extend that it qualifies as bdd. Just low self worth and shit.

>>8489515
what do you mean jesus nevermind? im sorry if my answer is lacklustre

>>8489465
Blerghhhh idk it fits with what I see p much lol.
>>8489480
I might have thought that...
Well not before I posted my face but after yeah. I know it's probs not the case, but that never stopped my brain from twisting every compliment into an insult in some way!

>>8489525
>Blerghhhh idk it fits with what I see p much lol.
Then you have bdd.

>>8489525
completely natural to be self conscious familia

>>8489536
I really don't think it's at the level of bdd
>>8489537
Yeah, I guess I'm a little bit more than some desu.

>>8489417
Ok thanks

Anyone else give up on the ffs meme? Why spend $40k to look like a man or a freak?

>>8489663
No. It's the fix I need. I don't expect to look perfect.

>>8489663
if you're so incredibly masculine that you don't think FFS would make an improvement ou should probably give up on transitioning completely.

>>8489673
I can't quit hormones, but I do plan to live as a miserable dude.

>>8489663
I don't know annon I look pretty good after my ffs. And it costed around 7k

>>8489673
What if you think that sometimes, but people call you bdd?

Does maxilofacial for an overbite increase the legth of your philtrum?
I have a longish face a lengthy philtrum that's very convex, but at the same time my receding chin makes me look like my jaw is smaller

Anyone have any knowledge of this?

>>8489692
I'm 6'4" though

>>8489160
I have a few friends that also went to ft, all our quotes were the same except for hospital and med fees. Even though we were a couple of years apart from when we each got surgery

>>8489772
No, I'm 5'11 still super tall but not un-human

>>8489692
willing to post picture? I'd be really interested

>>8490102
unsee
.cc/nasedigo/

>>8489523
I just get frustrated because it feels like all you're trying to do is make trannies more anxious and insecure. It's just "do research, look at results", it doesn't help when you can't even start to do that. 99% aren't going to have results up so it's just a bunch of random names. and then you always say "jaw work" "get maxfac" it's all tons of vague shit

Well fuck I just made the deposit for my FFS with D-B. I feel like I would benefit from maxfac surgery, I have somewhat of a longface. Can I do the maxfac after?

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>>8490381
If your face is longer than 7", then you have a long face.
Refer to this handy image

>>8490393
Measurement 15? Chin to hairline? I'm exactly 7 inches, but I'm 6 foot, am I good?

>>8490463
Fuck I measured incorrectly Im actually 7.5'' Im fucked :(

>>8490393
7.5, Fuck even after hair transplant!

>>8490393
7.8, can somebody just kill me?

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>>8490393
what does this prove

>>8490393
6.75" here

>>8490904
She has a long horse face?

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>>8489271
Wow awesome thanks for all the info I do feel better now. Like one thing I worry about is the price of all those procedures I think I could try one surgery that I need most first then get the others later paying back 15,000 is a lot easier than like 30k.
I am surprised I don't need maxillofacial I mean honestly I had resigned to the fact that it's impossible to get my face to like how I look on face app but it would be nice to like be able to be comfortable looking in the mirror.

>>8488934
Just leaving this here for anyone who lives in Australia or New Zealand. Paul Gerarchi in Sydney is a pretty good surgeon who doesn't charge too much, I went to him and am 90% happy, the only thing I am unhappy with he offered to revise for free.

>>8490227
yeah because im not a fucking surgeon...if you think you have problems with your face, go to a maxfac surgeon to assess you. I cant list off a thousand names of a thousand surgeons in every country world wide

Has anyone in this board ever gone to chettawut? He's nearby and I'm afraid of going to belgium

this has got me thinking about finance
im too inexperienced to know much about loans
dont know if i'd be able to really get one because i don't think i have any credit

>>8489271
anonpai can i send you a pic via email or something to see if my face is too long or something?
thinking of FT eventually

>>8492777
yes exactly that's the point

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>>8490393
>8"
FUCK AAHHHH FUCKING FUCK KILL ME NOW

>>8490393
18cm, which is smaller than the average cis woman
Doesn't seem right unless it's because of obesity giving them fat saggy chins

>>8492926
yes you can senpai
[email protected]

im not exactly an expert but i'd be happy to help

>>8489248
how to get a loan and a job?

>>8493303
you need to have stable income i.e a job to be eligble for a loan

idk senpai most loans allow anywhere between 1-5 years to pay it off depending how long you want to take and how much money each year you're willing to spend on the loan

just get a job, prove you have stable income, get loan, get ffs, be happy, then work your job happily

>>8493315
I've been trying to find a job of any description for a long time with no avail

>>8493320
:((((((((((((((((((
where do you live?

>>8493321
Australia. I'm too old for entry level burger jobs and telemarketing companies can smell my social anxiety from a mile away

>>8493339
hey man i live in australia as well, whats your discord?

>>8493352
lily#2085

>>8490381
>Can I do the maxfac after?
I would like to know this as well.

>>8493773
>lily#2085
it says that discord name wont work

>>8493808
whats yours then?

>>8488934
What kind of surgery would I need if I have a wide face? Jaw contouring?

>>8493886
zygoma possibly, jaw contouring

korea does really good jaw work, look at idclinic or whatever the fuck its called

>>8493931
>zygoma
Never heard of it before, but looked into it a little and it probably is actually what I need. Thanks.

>>8489119
Is Zukowski really that good for forehead? All I need done is forehead, brow and maybe my hairline lowered. Do you think getting all that done with Zukowski would be ok?

>>8490393
What if you have a shitty hairline? I feel like my face isn't actually that long but if I measure like this I have almost an 8" face. I think if I got my hairline lowered it might be fine.

>>8494013
lmao youre better off going to facial team who will do all of those three in one package as forehead reconstruction for 4.5k euros

>>8494029
hairline can be lowered via either a scalp advancement or transplants (even if youre not bald)

with the scalp advancement typically a scar is made in a pattern that mimics the hairline right below the hairline itself and then the scalp is stretched forward as so to lower the hairline then sewed up, nowadays this procedure is fairly good and scars are minimal as hair actually grows through the scar itself and masks it.

Hairl transplants are also used to lower the hairline and are a scar free method, (except for a small scar at the back of the head which is covered by hair). A new hairline is drawn in marker and then hair transplants are used to create a new, thick, natural looking hairline. After that the hair grows as normal and voila.

>>8494047
I'm sure I would be better off going to facial team, but I live in the Midwest so going to Zukowski is a lot easier. Money aside can Zukowski do those things well?

>>8494082
i dont know much about zukowski sorry :\

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>>8489433
Holy shit that's cheap has anyone gone to him? I might be able to get ffs in one year if I go to Cardenas but does he have meme worthy result I don't wanna look like ayyy lmao.

>>8491392
This is me btw I know face app results probably couldn't be achieved.

>>8494374
lmao as i said in >>8489271 those surgeries alone as well as some makeup would make you look like your faceapp result, if not better

>>8489314
Literally ideal jaw and chin. Perhaps you could benefit from shaving a bit off the brows, but kinda hard to see from a straight-on angle. You look great, don't fuck it up with too much plastic surgery, avoid anything unnecessary!

sup /bddg/

>>8489019
there is no way this cro magnon face could ever look feminine

>>8494433
Awesome thanks for the info on those surgeries looking into the prices now I think I'm going to go with Cardenas or facial team just cause it's way cheaper and I really like the results I saw on their websites also I don't need maxfac which I think you said in my last post lol sorry it's the morning and I don't think straight til I have my coffee. Anyways thanks so much for the advice I feel like I could actually get ffs this year. I really shouldn't listen mtfg cause I was told I could never pass and ffs would work for my face I kinda internalized that for awhile I really can't thank you enough for the advice you gave anon.

>>8494877
Isn't mtfg a hug box? Did they really tell say you could never pass?

>>8494877
no problem senpai

>>8494888
Yeah it's become kinda hugboxy now but around 2015-2016 it was brutal the tier list especially I was always shit tier and disgusting tier and yes I've had trips and anons say I'd never pass.

>>8488934
Are there any surgeons in the US that do decent brow work? I'm afraid to go to Spiegal since he killed that one person and I kind of don't want to go overseas.

>>8495587
I never used this board prior to 2016 so I always assumed it was a hug box.

>>8494511
everyone in public who calls me 'sir' agrees i'm not bdd

>>8495966
>Are there any surgeons in the US that do decent brow work?

No

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Does anyone know any insurance policies in the states that will cover FFS?

>>8494047
>hair transplants
>thick
LOL

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>>8488934
It doesn't matter. It won't fix my dadbod.

Does AI/computer see you as a man or as woman? For me it's always a female.

>>8498764
And how does that make you feel?

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just remember than ffs only changes the green, never the red

>>8494013
no it wouldnt. Do not go to Zukowski you will regret it. NEVER let him touch your nose.

>>8498643
youre a retard if you think hair transplants cant be thin.

hair transplants to create a lower hairline are better than a scalp advancement

obviously if youre bald and get them it will look bad

>>8498861
lmao why are you so autistic skullchan

go to korea and they can do anything

>what is zygoma
>what is forehead reconstruction
>what is hairline lowering
>what is skull surgery

kys

>>8498894
Have had a hair transplant with approx 65FU/cm and it's still noticeably thinner Than my normal hair under direct lighting

>>8498987

1) were you balding?
2) do you wear ur hair up?

>>8498861
That woman still passes fine.

>>8498987
the average number of follical units per cm is 65-85

just get more

>>8497478
Not even DB? I really don't want to travel overseas.

>>8499002
It was to cover an ffs scar, so the first cm is transplants and maybe 2cm in the far corners
I can wear my hair up but I noticed under uniqlos lights that I kind of have 2 hairlines, the natural one and the transplant one
>>8499019
Average is 80-100, most transplants don't go above around 55FU/cm. actually research procedures before recommending them

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>>8492806
He did brow bone, chin and eyelid for me

>>8492806
Where are you situated?

>>8500298
>it was to cover up an ffs scar
what scar?
why would u have a hairline scar

stay cucked

>>8488934
So as a poor American where can I get brow work that wont kill me that I can afford?

>>8498780
Pretty comforting actually.

>>8488934
Can fembois get FFS?

>>8489466
you don't look bad at all...

>>8500298
Fuck kill me
They can't go more dense?

>>8495587
Uhhhh it was back then too. I belonged in ad, but never ended up there.
>>8494436
Nah desu. My jaw is stronk af desu

>>8504138
Kys bdd faggot

>>8500982
I'm doing it so why not.

>>8504138
I dunno if you got placed in a good tier and think you don't pass you probably have bdd. The point is you can say it's a hugbox meanwhile I nearly had my life ruined by that general they have mellowed a fuckton.

>>8500982
Yes I did mine

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>>8504151
can't be bdd if it's real
>>8505895
idk senpaitachi, maybe they just picked trips they liked?
idk i know i was always overrated, and most in ad didn't really belong there

I'm post ffs, but bart made my hairline worse than before, nothing terrible, no V-shape, but basically a rectangle hairline.

Now, what type of hair transplant would you recommend? How much does it cost? I just want to have it more round again

>>8498904
Zygoma doesn't shorten the width of your face, your ZYGOMA are IN FRONT of the widest part of your face. Stupid.
Hairline lowering DOESN'T shorten the head. Its a false illusion. Peoples eyes still pick up on the height of your skull, they just end up feeling the hair is placed strangely, as though its artificially covered.

Skull surgery? lmao, you don't even know what you are talking about.

>>8507014
Fut has better growth percentage, FUE has better grafts for a hairline
There's pros and cons for both and you should ask hairrestorationnetwork first and look at Raymond konior and dr Gabels work.
Probably just 1000 grafts over the temples and slightly above the midline would be it though

>>8507038
Damn feels good to have a petite skull and forehead. I can deal with the linebacker shoulders and the adam's apple, I couldn't deal with manface.

>>8507070
Thank you!

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Is there any surgery like this that actually exists? It's my main problem facial-wise that makes it hard to pass, and I don't know if a lip lift would really do enough. I don't have a gummy smile but I have huge horse-teeth. I could really benefit from the maxilla + chin section of my face being pushed up and back into my skull, or even just the more prominent bones of my maxilla being shaved down. Is getting the appearance of that possible?

>>8506229
OMG that looks like a fun site, definitely will try it out

>>8505897
Do you look c-cute and would you mind posting results I'm still afraid ffs can't fix gods mistakes.

Is their any averages for how long it takes from your first consultation to the day you are getting your surgery done.
Plan on getting mine at facial team or deschamps, I heard people say it takes up to a year from the consultation to the surgery date is that correct?
I've looked into ffs a lot but I never considered how long you have to wait.

>>8508718
>up to a year
FUCK
I hope not I can't wait that long..

>>8508657
I don't really know if I'm cute, see >>8500310
No psych letter required for ffs

>>8498880
Z can only do forehead well
Everything he does suck, lol

>>8501710
Idk anon....

>>8507038
youre a fucking retard, all these surgeries i mentioned can do what ever you want if you pay enough, go have a look at trauma surgeons and see what they can do to a cunt thats had his face blown off

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how like, urgently, do I need ffs?
i need to prioritize my savings.
im assuming ffs>tits>vagina
((no make-up; ~6months hrt)

>>8508822
You look like a cute Asian girl so um yes lol. And you went to Chett right?

>>8508917
youve got a feminine midface, lower face needs work, upper face couldnt hurt either

>>8489091
What I don't understand about these before and after pics is that the first has a clearly visible hairline while the second covers up the problem areas.

I get that she might wear her hair differently than exposing the entire hairline but it's essentially a different picture entirely and doesn't accurately depict the results. If this is the best example I have a feeling it's not as good as the before and after pictures imply.

>>8509106
yeah seeing tricks like that if they're more than isolated cases should make you extremely skeptical of the person showing those as examples of their work

>>8509057
Yes, I went to chett, I'm not sure if other docs require psych letter but its highly unlikely

>>8490393
I've got a 7.8" long face, I feel like once I get FFS and they shave off a chunk of my chin and bring my hair line down I'll be within more than acceptable ranges of face length

>>8509670
yeah that will be the case, however if its your MIDFACE that is long = maxfac

>>8509907
What is a long midface

>>8509971
the area between the eyes and lips.
So nose and philtrum mainly, also large teeth

>>8510111
what is long *for* a midface

>>8510128
Anything uneven
Women's faces can usually be divided into thirds but male faces without balding are longer in the middle and jaw

>>8510146
So you are saying anything more than 1/3 of the total face length?

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>>8510146
I guess this is what you meant?

>>8509410
He did a good job I'm still ambivalent on his results it's a big commitment like if I end up totally botched my life would be over lol tho I have considered him he is cheaper and you can get srs and ffs done with him.

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Just posting my ffs scar so people can have a realistic idea of what can happen
It's mm thin at the hairline but the scar is wider and stitches killed a lot of hair in the temples

>>8513514
shit. what surgeon?

>>8513514
which surgeon?

>>8513514
It will grow back in time, the hair follicles around it has just undergone shock since its so new.

>>8513582
The scar is 2 years old now

>>8507079
Thats great that you feel that way, but you still stick out like a sore thumb as a freak tranny. You need a body to go with a face.

>>8508889
No you are ignorant. Trauma surgery =/= ffs dumass. Your face is not blown off. Making someone look human again =/= turning a male skull to a female skull
>>8508917
You have a long face. FFS won't save you.

>>8513712
skullchan being autistic

you realise long face can be fixed through invasive surgery

>>8510169
tfw my face looks like this

>>8510992
Well there is always facial team and suporn (for now)

>>8509907
mid face is medium length. Strong chin and jaw though

>>8514902
Yeah facial team is who I'm going with I dunno if I should just do like or two procedures or get everything done at once. Supporn is unfortunately retiring so I'm hoping there is another great srs surgeon. But does informed consent even give letters for srs?

>>8515180
No idea about that

Seeing Spiegel in 7 weeks, getting the works done.

How fucked am I?

>>8516701
>Spiegel
Good luck

>>8516701
I don't think I'd even go to spiegel for free tbdesu so good lick

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>>8516701
you tell me senpai...

>>8517678
Lol is this a joke? He doesn't unironically put poses and style like that as before and after does he?

>>8517678
This can't be real, can it? Looks like they never had any surgery at all...

>>8513730
Theoretically, but not realisitically

>>8514612
doesn't mean you have a female sized skull. It just means you look like a male ecousin of that woman. You probably don't even understand what I mean when I say "scale"

>>8517682
he does it for virtually EVERY b/a he posts. But then again most of them do it an duse photoshop

>>8517746
Thats because the only parts of the face that were changed are the green parts>>8498861

>>8517837
So I guess it's good that my passing issues are all the green spots?

(Brow ridge, nose, chin)

>>8517837
>>8519700
Fucking hell does this mean my brow will always be fucked?

>>8519732
No, brow is like the one thing they can fix no problem.