Trans Help General #143

i talked to a doctor about hrt today and he said he would work out the deets and refer me to an endocrinologist within the next two weeks
so hrt is looking like it's happening

how many hours after starting will i turn into a cute anime gril are we talking like a nice quick 2 hours or am i in the long haul of having to wait 7 or even 8 hours because i dont hate my body?

>>8480784
2 years

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>>8483007

>>8480784
>tfw still takes 5 months for me
kill me

>>8483122
Just curious since I haven't got a real answer yet. Why are you still alive anon? Don't you think you would be better off dead?

>>8480444
anyone ever get super hair removal? what is your experiance with it?

>>8484240
did you mean laser hair removal?

>>8484594
sort of, SHR is a treatment type of IPL that is supposed to be able to provide permanent reduction like laser, and can target hair that is whiter than normal and other skin types. it supposedly works by targeting the protein. I am hoping another has had experience with it here.

There are lots of warnings about general IPL but I cant find any information on google that disavows this technology and its relatively new. theres even a scientific study I found that compares it to alexandrite and its only around 10-20% less effective for long term reduction. but I wanted to get as much info as possible. I have a lot of light colored hair so I think it could be even more effective than laser for me.

>>8484617
I only have experience with the normal laser. Isn't electrolysis a better option for you because you have light hair?

>been in therapy for about a year now about to get hormones in a month or so
>friends already view me as a female (or as a trap whatev) and i enjoy it
>still get the doubts occasionally
do they ever go away?

hey legbutts, boy am i glad i found this thread.

24y/o bi masc (but with long hair which i've been told is pretty), AMAB, and questioning.

I've been feeling dysphoria for years and have (had?) kind of just accepted it as part of my life. i went shopping with my friend the other day and got my first tank top and a long floral skirt. I wore it to the beach and felt really good. this was in the gay capital of my country (which i'm moving to in september) and even with my beard I got some compliments and nice smiles in the street but also a lot of dagger stares. When I got home I posted in the 'could i pass?' thread (asking if i had any potential, not if i do currently pass). one person said i have nice hands and some others made me feel terrible (but that's okay cos its 4chan).

Apart from a leather bodystocking nobody has ever seen me wear, these are my first girlmode clothes. Buying the clothes and wearing them out made my dysphoria way weaker and i felt more powerful than i ever have. I think i'm gonna shave my beard off and get a full body wax when I move. I also want to expand my wardrobe and maybe learn some light makeup.

I'm still feeling very uncertain though. I don't think i want to take hormones (at least not yet), i just wanna be more feminine. Any tips where to start?

thanks in advance

tldr: how do i into trans lol

>>8487226
>I've been feeling dysphoria for years
>Buying the clothes and wearing them out made my dysphoria way weaker and i felt more powerful than i ever have.

You're trans alright.

get into hair care/skin care/fashion/makeup and shave to feel more feminine.

I don't know what to do.
I want to just laser off some body hair and try to be mostlt normal but there's a voice in the back of my head screaming at me to start HRT. Then whenever I consider it Reason comes in, sits me down on front a mirror, and calls me a broad chested, manfaced, delusional faggot. I just want to be as happy as I can be with myself and I don't know how.

If I start taking HRT at what point will I have a very hard time hiding that I'm taking it?
I was thinking for the tits I could tape them down or something, but I dunno.

>>8489830
You can't hide hrt in a warm climate without permanently damaging your tits or slouching

>>8489832
slouching it is

So, let's say that a young trans person was barred from transitioning through the legal route because of their parents. Let's also say that the parents know about HRT and self-medding, and would quickly be suspicious of any packages or body changes.
What could this purely hypothetical trans person do?

>>8490999
you could get a job and move out.

>>8490999
just pick up packages at your local post office

>>8491020
I have a job, moving out isn't an option for now.

>>8491025
Sure, I'm more concerned with the physical changes though. And if I'm "out" to others outside the house they'll hear about it eventually.

>>8491161
The only physical change they'll notice are breasts, you can hide them by slouching or binding them.

A very helpful post for transgender women:

You are delusional. The reality is that you are male.

Fuck.
I'm not sure if it's just being drunk but I've been hit by the hardest wave of dissatisfaction of my male body that I've ever felt. I don't know if this is dysphoria, but I hate what I'm seeing so much that it is scary. Even just seeing my hands type this feels awful.
Fuck.

>>8494031
>The reality is that you are male.
We know that, but we try our best anyway.

>>8494031
meanwhile, transmen dont exist in your world.

>>8494039
>gets drunk
>"what are these feels?"

summerfags, amirite?

>>8488353
Yeah, you're probably right. Got the day off work on tuesday, gonna shave my whole body, practice makeup and spend the day in slutmode tryna give myself a hands free orgasm. thanks bb.

>>8496068
I've been getting drunk and feeling feels for years but it typically doesn't lead to that much crying.

>>8496109
dysphoria tends to get worse over the years.

Are any of you good with makeup advice?

>>8499034
learn it from youtube or friends.

Just got an endo appointment, but it's not until the middle of fucking august because I live in the middle of fucking nowhere.

What do I do to make the next month and a half bearable?

Okay so I've been trying to drum up enough resolve to write this all day. Here goes. I have three trans related questions I would like answered and any help would be nice.
So I finally made an appointment to see a dermatologist over my receding hairline and laser hair removal. And I had a couple questions with that.

1 Exactly how good is laser hair removal and is this my 100 percent best trans option for removing hair permanently, and what is your experience with it?

2 So with the hairline stuff, I believe I asked before in another thread about what options I had, some anon told me about a topical that I should ask for that would be best. And I was just more curious about that.

3 I'm trying to pick out a therapist to go to right now and it's driving me crazy, I think I'm going to shatter like glass once I have to see one and admit I'm trans to somebody, it's driving me insane. But once I do, I'm sorta curious, the key reason to see a therapist is so they can provide a letter stating I'm fully trans so then I can get hrt and other stuff, right? Is there any sorta ways I can concisely tell them, or answer any of their questions without falling into any pitfalls or gotcha questions from them? Is there anything I should look out for? I've been to some shitty therapist and stuff in the past for other reasons, I'm always scared people don't believe me

>>8502029
>1 Exactly how good is laser hair removal
Pretty good if you have dark hair and white skin.
>and is this my 100 percent best trans option for removing hair permanently,
Oh, no. No no no. Permanent hair *reduction*. Electrolysis is the only FDA approved permanent hair removal. Full stop. Laser is to waxing as waxing is to shaving.
>and what is your experience with it?
Had everything below the nose lased repeatedly. Way less risky than budget electrolysis, results are good enough for me.

>>8502051
>Pretty good if you have dark hair and white skin.
Yes and yes
>Oh, no. No no no. Permanent hair *reduction*. Electrolysis is the only FDA approved permanent hair removal. Full stop. Laser is to waxing as waxing is to shaving.
Ahh I see, I had another trans friend of mine try to explain Electrolysis to me once before, but I was just confused and still don't fully understand it, I think laser is the only option for me in my area, I guess.
>Had everything below the nose lased repeatedly. Way less risky than budget electrolysis, results are good enough for me.
I see, that's what I'm going to be going for, but first I'm going to go about getting my face done. I have a question, when you say below the nose, do you mean like the rest of your body or did you just mean your facial hair? Because I have no idea how I'm going to ask about getting other parts of my body done, even though I want and need it. I know prices depend on each different person but is there a rough estimate of price?

>>8502051
Not them but I have really sensitive skin so I'm kind of afraid of electrolysis and also I would have to get budget electrolysis like you said. How many times did you have to get laser to get results?

>>8486225
If you doubt it, you should check with the doctor. It is better to find the reason of the doubt rather than ignoring it, and the find out what it is after treatment has started.

Does the qualification of the therapist I pick matter much in the sense of how seriously any given doctor will take their letter or word from them that I am 100 percent trans?
I'm looking over therapist here, and even remembering some I've been to before there's like a shitton of different kinds.
Do I just pick one who's a ~doctor~ with a phd and see them, or does any ole' licensed counselor do the trick too?

Is it okay to dilate while sitting on a chair instead of lying down?

>>8502633
What's SRS like?

>>8502643
I had to lie down for several days, which upset my digestive system and made me feel somewhat (but not terribly) ill. I also had trouble staying alert enough to read books because my body thought it was sleepy time. The medication against the nausea made me feel restless, which was a horrible feeling to have while bedridden and paralyzed in one leg, so I avoided it. There was zero pain though so I was quite comfortable at times.

Once recovered I discovered many little advantages that I didn't realize would happen. I am more comfortable in my body now and frequently walk around pantless in my home, for example.

>>8502790
Why not just sleep if you got sleepy? Why was one leg paralyzed?

What other little advantages were there besides feeling comfortable in just your panties?

When are you suposed to take your blood test.

Can progesterone cause circulatory trouble?
I take 100g a day since last week and I feel really dizzy and get heat waves.

>>8502475
If your just looking to get on hrt then Lol just go to planned parenthood mein neger and skip all the the rape ists.

>>8502029
For hairline recession, it can be stopped with a perscription (or online pharmacy/soiree over the border to mexico) medication called finasteride. It inhibits conversion of testosterone to a more potent form called dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which causes pattern baldness by attacking the hair follicles.

I think you might be able to do a hair transplant to get back some moar hairline, if your kinda hurting in that regard.

>>8505420
see a doctor

>>8505339
When your hormone levels are at their worst, i.e. just before you would normally take your HRT.

PSA to trans kids: going around shouting about your preferred sex/gender and making a shitload of social media posts with no provocation are counterproductive. Constantly shouting "I'M A MAN!" is going to have the inverse effect of making people think you are, in fact, a woman, because no actual woman would do this - and neither would a trans woman who's secure with herself. I know transitioning is a scary landscape and the gender binary is shit that you have to fight against constantly, but you can't stop people from making assumptions and you either have to completely stop giving any fucks about the opinions of others or else play along.

I have a friend who'd have thought was a (bio) man otherwise but his constant outbursts of "I'm a guy 100% a guy manly dude man and I just jerked off my male penis to gay porn" made me realize he was ftm trans and overcompensating waaaay too hard. (Shooting himself in the foot by the doing shit like using the women's room, in an empty bar, among a group of friends who he's completely out to/has the support of, didn't help but it's the dozens of Tumblr posts that made it clear what was up.)

>>8509327
forgot to add: this is the same principal as that dude you might have known who's constantly going on about how SUPER STR8 he is - you know, the one everyone knows is a giant cock-hungry closet case.

hey y'all. been questioning when i was about 14 years old for quite a while, had huge issues with my body and genitalia. after i think about a year later i ignored it more and more, topic came up now and thrn but i ignored it pretty much or just told myself that im just a fag and everyone has such thoughts. lately ive been a little more questioning again, i mean, i always kinda wished that i was born as girl/woman but, i mean...well okay, i guess not everyone does that. like, 'normal' person. the thing is that i just dont feel anything, which is probably due to some, how strong it may be, depression. when i first tried a wig and dress i was rushed by positivity but it kinda died down but i dont know after what thought or action. what brought you people to the conclusion you are trans, to the certainty about it?

Could some of y'all pop over to the "could I pass thread" and pass judhement (lol) on me and the other dudes who think we might be chicks?
>>8474780

>>8509327
PSA to you: please don't come here complaining about your friend every time they do something stupid and projecting their actions and insecurities onto the relatively small and, most probably, non-standard trans population that attends these threads.

I want to be a female.

Damn, that felt good to say. Like a huge weight off my chest. I have felt this way for years but have never told anyone. I always internalize my true feelings about anything and everything, been that way my whole life. They only come out when I just can't keep them hidden anymore. Sometimes I keep things internalized for years, and this is one such case.

I don't care if this is an anonymous internet board, it just feels so good to tell someone, and get this weight off of me.

>>8502823
I wanted to sleep during the night and not during the day, lol.

One leg was paralyzed because that's how the pain medication works. They put a tube in your spine. This does not hurt and is not that scary. You're supposed to lay still and all, but it only feels like they're pressing their thumb hard against your back.

>>8502014
help

>>8512284
do feminine stuff i guess. Something to make yourself feel good.

>>8512373
on a scale from 1 to 10 how feminine is self-medication due to impatience

Should I learn2makeup before her? I was kinda planning on doing everything except voice practice at once.

Also, I got some help from ftmg, but I wanna ask here as well. Does anybody know how hard the process of transitioning in the US military (likely AF) is/what it involves?

>>8513588
>her
HRT*

How effective can voice training be?
Like if you start with a deep voice are you basically forever-fucked or what?

>>8513467
Ordering hrt online takes fairly long. You're better off waiting that month and a half.

How bad is the jump from 18 to 20?
Was just looking at pics of myself from 2015 and I look so much... older now. I have wrinkles, my skins rougher, features droopier, hairlines fucking terrible
Is this normal? In the month past month I've caught 2 new types of wrinkle pop up and in the past 6, lines at the corner of my mouth. My facial hair is coming in insane now, if I don't shave even one day I look horrible. I-is this just t?
I still feel like my skin should be better :\ Definitely have new wrinkles.

>>8489647
Please respond.

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>>8514085
I want my girlmones now....

>>8514865
well, do you want to be a girl anon? If not you could just get laser and be done with it.

>>8515040
Of course I do but I'm too old (20) and my proportions are too bad (19" across shoulders, 14" across hips, 5'7" tall) to transition into anything but a hon. FFS and SRS are also super expensive and not terribly great most of the time.

>>8515053
>20
>too old
>that manlet height
lol
I started at 21 and I'm 6' and I pass

>>8515055
Too old for hip growth, and 5'7" puts me a bit above most girls I see.
I am skeptical of your passability, no offense. Do you know your shoulder:waist?

>>8515055
>>8515070
>shoulder:waist
Meant shoulder:hips, sorry. I always think waist because that's what people with normal bodies have to worry about.

>tfw spiro causes me insomnia

I only sleep for 2 hrs yet I look very well rested, Does insomnia will go away eventually or I'll have to fight it? This is my second day on spiro

>>8515281
probably your body adjusting. If it keeps on for a long time, see a doctor.

How did you reached final conclusion while questioning?

>>8516865
from what ive heard, many people didnt even stop questioning but made this decision for themselves that this is their path now. never heard anyone regret it.

im on the uncertainty-boat aswell

>>8516961
This is rough af.

>>8516961
not quite regretting it but kinda doubting/questioning ama

>>8514085
>Ordering hrt online takes fairly long. You're better off waiting that month and a half.
It can take less than that online, and you might not even get HRT at your first appointment.

>>8513588
>Should I learn2makeup before her?
Yes. literally everyone in this thread should be learning how to do their make up, its a skill that takes a lot of time to perfect and youre already behind the timeline of the majority of cis female (Whats new)

look at youtube, watch tutorials and reviews, even drag queens will teach you some good tricks in hiding masc' features and accentuating fem ones, you just need to tone them down so theyre not dragcore.

Make up and especially contouring is fucking black magic that can turn your man face fem in an hour, why the fuck more mtf's arent masters is beyond me, but a lot of them dont even know the basic shit.

p.s no one in the make up community cares if your trans, dudes have been doing their make up for years now and if anything youre gonna get a lot more help being trans than a dude. You can buy online from sephora, just buy by most popular.


DONT BUY SHITTY CHEAP MAKE UP OR YOU WILL LOOK SHIT AND CHEAP

>>8517506
If they don't give me HRT first appointment I am going to freak.
>>8517528
>DONT BUY SHITTY CHEAP MAKE UP OR YOU WILL LOOK SHIT AND CHEAP
So I take it don't get a big pack like this:
https://www.amazon.com/BR-deluxe-makeup-palette-colors/dp/B001QKX4I8
Maybe it's a good idea for just learning, though? I don't want to be playing with the higher priced stuff and wasting money.

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>>8517554
>https://www.amazon.com/BR-deluxe-makeup-palette-colors/dp/B001QKX4I8
thats literally a kids kit.

>Maybe it's a good idea for just learning, though?
No. Thats the thing, its like trying to learn the violin with pic related. The products in what you've linked will have zero pigment, clump up, will have massive fallout, probably give you break outs because I highly doubt theyre hygienic, wont blend and so on and so forth. Its a waste of money, at least with good priced stuff itll last for when you ARE good.

if you want to save money, buy travel size. They have gift sets too, benefit has some great ones and is a great brand, they dont have everything you need but fill out a lot of the little stuff that really matters:

http://www.sephora.com/sunday-my-prince-will-come-easy-weekender-makeup-kit-P417862?skuId=1931542&icid2=travel_size_makeup_us_sku_grid:p417862

http://www.sephora.com/date-night-with-mr-right-sexy-night-out-makeup-kit-P417859?skuId=1931559&icid2=travel_size_makeup_us_sku_grid:p417859

>>8517595
Point taken. Thanks a lot for the advice. Do you know what the packaging on these things looks like, by the way? I assume it's the basic box with name of shop on the label, but the apartment I'm at has all packages sent to the office, and I have to go there to have them pull my specific package out of the closet in person, so I'd just like to know in advance

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I got lethargia does anyone wanna help me transition like or could you find me someone who thinks it s hot as a fetish either way. I got lethargia really bad so I don't transition.

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>>8517676
Im not american so I dont know what theyre shipping package is like by my own account, but a google search yielded this, and the other pics are the same too. if anyone asks (I doubt it, no one really gives a shit imo) just say you bought your gf/sis/mum a present.

Good luck and plz remember to have fun! Just wait till you get addicted to eyeshadows, thats the best part. (hahaha youre going to be poor just like me and lusting after new palettes)

>>8517920
Ah, thanks. Yeah, I figured I would have the old "it's for a girl" on hand, but I just wanted to know what to expect.

Thanks! I'll try my best.

>>8515053
>>8515055
>>8515070
>tfw manlet
>20
>5'2
>not on HRT
>bad hairline and early wrinkles
:( will pass more as an old lady or some shit

>>8517920
oh my GOD the eyeshadow addiction! I don't do makeup much these days (mostly cause I'm lazy) but eyeshadow is my favorite thing to play with.

>>8517676
for starting out I highly recommend a high quality basics palette like Chocolate Bar or Modern Renaissance (along with eye primer -- I use UD Primer Potion, don't skimp on this, and the appropriate brushes, which you can totally skimp on with ELF brushes from Target)

>>8517676
but also practice with cheap stuff until you know what you're doing!! and keep in mind primer will make it last longer/harder to remove if that's a consideration

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>>8518348
>oh my GOD the eyeshadow addiction! I don't do makeup much these days (mostly cause I'm lazy) but eyeshadow is my favorite thing to play with.
I have like $400 worth of eyeshadows and I wear make up like once a month if that because im also lazy

How do I help a trans friend? He is still pre-T and even tho he is already on his way to take it he is constantly sad and talking about never being happy. I am a cis guy so it is hypocritical talking him out of it when I have a dick. I am afraid he will eventually endind up commiting suicide T.T
Pls help

>>8519370
does he have any hobbies? go out and do guy stuff. learn to shoot together. build some furniture. bundle up so nobody can see his face if he doesn't pass and go skiing or snowboarding, or just play some vidya. find out how he approaches being a guy (competence? power? inner strength? physical strength? problem solving?) or have him teach you a guy thing that he's good at.

>>8519573
We are online friends so I cannot do this kind of stuff for the time being, but soon. He passes as a delicate boy if he doesn't talk, and doesn't really care about strenght and all, I feel like his main problem is his body and not having a dick...sex related issues. For example, he is virgin since he couldn't feel comfortable with his own body when he had a chance with another guy.
It is really hard, he will never have a dick and idk what to do

i was goijg for a walk today with my mother and told her a little about my depressions and that i may, mayyy be mtf...she was accepting, while i told her i held back my tears but...why do i nit feel anything now.. i know that i am very analytic but this..jt doesnt make sense. its supposed to make me really emotional but why am i again in the same mood as ever?

Asked in /mtfg/, got ignored because anime and tripfag circlejerk.
I've been on hrt for a year and i'm currently a 38B.
How much longer should I expect boobers to grow for? Is it likely I'll reach a C cup??

So I should be talking to a doctor about starting hrt soon and i'm really excited but im also very scared im going to school in hopes of being a teacher and i dont know if this could become an issue later id like to think it shouldnt since i dont exactly plan to tell the entire world i did anything to begin with but im not sure

>>8521006
>Asked in /mtfg/, got ignored because anime and tripfag circlejerk.
No you got ignored because it's in the OP here.
>How much longer should I expect boobers to grow for?
Probably not much unless you're a late bloomer, which is very rare because of how HRT basically drops you into the middle of your new puberty. Internal structural changes (the stuff that hurts) will continue for about one more year, two at most. That will mostly affect shape and not do too much size wise, but can mean your old bras don't fit right anymore (good thing they're so fucking expensive, right?).
>Is it likely I'll reach a C cup??
Not likely at all, sorry, but it's not impossible.

I'm coping with being trans extremely poorly. I'm hurting so much and need to get some help. Are there any discords where i can find people to talk to or any communities on discord that i will be able to enjoy myself, if even for a short while.
MtF btw

AGPgen isn't helping. Retoasting.
I want to be a girl because I want people to think I'm cute and give me headpats. I especially want to be cute when doing big macho man things like splitting logs or hunting.
Is this AGP? Trans? Autism?

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I have been thinking so much recently, and I think I have some sort of repression. For example whenever the topic of transgenderism comes up I get really uncomfortable, and really anxious. I really can't afford to transition for social and financial reasons so what could I do to stop the anxiety, or make myself feel more comfortable without any permanent change. I may continue to a full transition later in life if my situation gets any better.

P.S. Yes I did post this in it's own thread but it hasn't gotten any traction

>>8525140
*hug*

>>8525153
Umm... thanks?

>>8525136
I diagnose you as having watched too much anime and as a result have a distorted worldview.

>>8525360
That seems reasonable. What are my treatment options?

>>8526929
I recommend limiting your anime intake to once per week and start setting realistic goals as to why you want to be a girl.

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>>8527328
>I recommend limiting your anime intake to once per week
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. I would probably kill myself.
>and start setting realistic goals as to why you want to be a girl.
Is not wanting to be a boy not enough? I'd also like a vagina but I can't have one anyways no matter what I do so that's just whatever. I know I can never be cute either but I can be cuter.

>>8527367
You don't want to be a boy and want a vagina but aren't sure if you're trans?

>>8527462
Why not?

>>8527462
Sorry for late response.
I know it's kinda weird but I don't really think stuff I can't change should count for being trans or not. Like I want a vagina and tiny shoulders and wide child bearing hips... but I can't have any of that, so what does it really matter? The stuff I can have like cuteness and boobs are weird on boys but I want it anyways which is why I don't really like being a boy but I can't be a girl and since being stuck in the middle is no good for me I don't think I'm really trans. Like with real dysphoria they take whatever they can get even though it makes them a half boy half girl but I don't think I can do that.

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>tfw irish bog creature genetics mean you could be very manly man but ruin your chances of ever looking like a woman after even hrt or surgery

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>>8528772
>tfw scandinavian blonde yeti genetics
iktf

pls halp
what do I have to do/say to convince my gatekeeper that I am "actually trans" and give me a letter for hormones?

>>8514340
Wow and you are only 20? I am 26 and I only have some faint lines under my eyes. I still get taken for 17/18 on occasion

>>8529441
>United States of Freedom
Give me the drugs now or I'm self medding with shady internet pills and no blood testing.
>European Caliphate
Whoa, I am like, totally a real girl you know? I just want to find a husband and cook and clean for him teehee. Why yes of course I've made a total fool of myself and presented female for a whole year without hormones. That is so reasonable of you to require teehee. I would never question a man's decision after all, especially a doctor.
>Asia
There are no gatekeepers, trick question.
>Africa
You should get clean water and food first.
>Middle East
*gurgling beheaded noises*
>South America
It's like Asia but everyone speaks Spanish or Portuguese instead of Chinese or Whateverese.

>>8529541
You can lie your ass off in europe though. You're only required to show up as a girl on appointments. They can't check if you've actually done RLE.

>>8529685
At no point did I suggest you were telling the truth in either serious answer.

>>8529685
Social media stalking by therapists to check on RLE isn't unheard of.

>>8529541
I'm from euro caliphate
They want me to do months and months of therapy and RLE to prove I'm trans

>>8529803
Well there's no reasoning with your totalitarian government, which extends to your health care because DUDE COMMUNISM LMAO. You can jump through their hoops, pay out the ass for private health care, or abandon ship.

>>8529794
>posting stuff on social media
yeah no

>>8528713
i komda have the same problem, halp :<

what is a gatekeeper?

>>8530749
Someone who decides if you're trans or not. Usually takes a year or longer to convince a gatekeeper that you're actually trans.

>>8530240
I am paying out the ass for private healthcare and I'm getting the worst gatekeepers possible. I don't even know what kinds of hoops they want me to jump through.

>>8531981
Flaming hoops with hrt on the other side.

>>8529794
therapists don't get paid enough in my country to do that. They can barely even do their job as is.

So I'm posting my sob story because I don't fucking know... The last time I actually posted on 4chan was before there was an LGBT board.

Anyway, born male and I'm pretty fucking sure I'm transgender. I mean, somewhere inside me I I've always known but the depression/self-hate that comes with this is getting worse. I might be ok with transitioning if I didn't look so goddamn manly. That and I'm 31, afraid the ship has sailed.

All that aside, the biggest issue I have is that I'm not a strong willed person. I thought this whole thing was just me being gay so I got myself a boyfriend and even after several years I struggle to find the confidence to say "I'm gay" or "my boyfriend." I feel like I wouldn't have the strength to go through with it, even though I live in a very lgbt friendly city.

So instead of facing my issues I've been fapping as an escape mechanism. For a brief moment it lets me use my imagination to slip away but the self-loathing returns after I finish.

Sorry, I'm not sure what I hope to accomplish with this post or what I'm going to do with any help in this thread, just felt like I needed to get this out there.

>>8536674
It may not be too late. Successful 30 years old transitions are not unheard of. So at least consider it.

>>8536674
there's no reason to loathe yourself. You bring yourself down by thinking you're weak. But you aren't. It takes a lot of strength to deal with gender identity issues, it's already ruined countless psyches of many strong people. It takes strength to even consider transitioning.

You are strong enough if its what you want.

You just need to assess if it is what you want. Not just being a woman, but being transgender. It's a totally different experience, even if you pass. Transitioning may not be the answer for you, but if it is there's no reason not to

>>8536700
>>8536774
Thanks. I'll find some real world resources to help me figure shit out... I think that's step one

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>therapist says they will write me a letter
>move to new state hours away
>"on reviewing my notes I think we need to talk more about it before I can write you a letter"
Someone call fucking Youtube Pranks Compilation 2017 because they're gonna want to see this.

>>8537302
He's just milking you for money.

>>8537302
just get your new therapist to write the letter

>>8537997
Coulda done that when I was in the fuckin state
>>8538057
Don't have one right now. I might have to get one and do that which is a hassle. I am going to be super pissed off if I can't get this letter by my endo appointment.

>>8538075
>I am going to be super pissed off

how will that improve the situation?
protip: it won't

grow up and deal with it like an adult.
this is life.
there are always mountains in front of you.
learn to enjoy climbing mountains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG2zyeVRcbs

>>8538127
What do you think I'm going to do, throw a fit? I'm going to deal with it like an adult, that doesn't mean I can't be pissed off about something really annoying happening, and I'm certainly not going to "enjoy" having my HRT delayed longer than it already is because it takes two months to get an endo appointment.
Like yeah I guess if I somehow learned to enjoy shitty things happening to me I would be happier great insight I might also be mentally ill at that point, though.

Okay so I posted a bit over a week ago about having a derma appointment this week. It's the day after tomorrow and I just wanted to ask some last minute questions.

In regards to my hairline, do I need to outright ask for minoxidil or stealth try to ask about hrt meds? and as for another question

Anyone got stories about laser hair removal or any advice? I'm mtf but the derma won't be aware of that, so do you think they will question me or ask any questions when I ask for getting everything on my body basically lasered?

>>8538171
anger raises testosterone levels.
relax, hon

>>8538266
Not getting my t-blockers is gonna raise my testosterone levels.

>>8538266
> using hon unironically

>>8538269
honed if you do
honed if you don't

hey people, still kinda questioning. dude who wanted to be a girl when he was younger here. been questioning for ~2 months again, dont really know if or if im not trans. the thought of being a girl always seemed to be the right thing to me, but obviously im just a guy right now and i cant really change that. im super duper unconfident with myself, there are days where i cant look in the mirror cause...i guess i dont wanna see the person i am right now but i dunno if i just find myself ugly or if its actually cause i see a guy but feel like a girl. im really hesitant about openly saying im trans cause it also seems likely to me that, because of my reeeeeaaaally low self esteem, i just want to find any reason to be a different person. also i fear i will not find anyone to love simply cuz id be an ugly Trans...

I have some questions about HRT and being "trans".
When I think about being a "man" or a "woman" and the idea of being trans I get uncomfortable. I feel that I would be at least somewhat happy with either set of genitals and they do not really matter to me. Being a "girl" or at least presenting or looking/dressing like one is interesting to me and I feel that I would be more happy and comfortable with that then what I am now. I don't know about all the specifics of "am I trans" or what it really means to be one, but getting onto hormones so I can look and act more comfortably in my own skin sounds like something similar. I know that being diagnosed as a trans is hard and requires frequent mental checks and convincing with a doctor, but is there some lighter or more simple hormone stuff I can get to try this out? And should I look more into this trans stuff for myself?

I'm also told that you can still back out of MtF transitions, so that makes me even more interested in potentially seeing if this would make me happy. Ideally, I would still keep my genitals and not actually "transition" to being a female, as being a male on records and documents does not concern me.

>>8540912
Who are you trying to convince anon? You're trans alright.

I shouldn't have told have told my shrinker that i like anime :(

>>8545041
What did he tell?

>>8545910
I told them i've cross-dressed as anime girls and well now they think anime made me trans.

>>8545965
If they were a Blanchardian they would know better.

>>8542897
well thats the thing. im not like the people who actually are convinced by it, i dont take every opportunity to be female. i could just make sports and get a more female body. i could just work on my voice which i rarely do. i could portray myself as a female in public but i dont...i just dont feel confident, comfortable eith myself. when i can take typically female poses, roles at home...its nicer. its good i guess. i dont knoe, having a huuuge issue with my feelings in general

I've been questioning a lot lately and I feel like this is a lot more than agp like i thought before. I've talked with a couple of trans people as well and they all say this is how they started as well. The thing is, I don't want to transition, I'd rather learn to live and be comfortable as a man instead of trying to be a woman. Is there any way to pursue therapy that way? And how would I go about trying to speak to a gender therapist anyways? I live in canada if anyone knows what I should do

>>8515070
>and 5'7" puts me a bit above most girls I see.
Which means there are also plenty of cis girls at your height. That's how averages work. 5'7 is on the taller end for a girl but it's still a completely normal height. People don't see 6 foot men as giants, they don't see 5'7 girls as giants either.

t. fellow 5'7 tranny

>>8489647
Just take mones. Even if you never pass they can make you feel better mentally, they did for me at least.

>just started late transitioning
>online friends all started years ago and are all very good looking and passable
>none of them are single and i am
>im ugly and way manlier than any of them when they started out
>both really happy to see how well they pass but am also extremely dysphoric when i see them or depressed when they talk about relationship stuff
>live in the south so not really any options dating wise even if i was attractive

I'm so fucking lonely it hurts. I think about dying every day. I'm not strong enough to off myself right now, unfortunately. I gave myself a time limit of 2 years from when I start hormones though...so 1 year and 11 months left until I try really hard to muster up the courage.

My friends are all really positive but I feel like its easy to be like that when their lives aren't as bad as mine, trans/relationship wise. Lately I've been venting to them and I get the feeling they're starting to resent me for being such a downer.

I don't really see a way out of this besides offing myself. I'm not going to pass, no one wants to be with a 26 year old virgin hon.

>>8547222
>I'd rather learn to live and be comfortable as a man instead of trying to be a woman. Is there any way to pursue therapy that way?
This never works.

Canada probably has clinics and gender therapists. Do some googling to find them.

>>8480444
I am 22, and I had been on hormones for 6 months, but I had to stop for /reasons/. Is it a good idea to start at least taking blockers? Will that do anything? I want to resume transitioning as soon as possible, but that likely won't be for a while. What should i do?

>>8547672
I feel you. I started at 20 y/o but testosterone fucked me up pretty hard. I've come to the conclusion that I will need ffs to pass. Hoping for a miracle so I can afford it, otherwise I think I'll just off myself. 9 months hrt and I'm still more masc than the pre hrts over in passgen

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How to come out to friends/family as trans mtf and what stage in HRT?

I don't want to be trans. And I know man are better, so why do I want to be girl...

>>8547912
to the ones you know will support you, whenever, sooner is better as long as youre sure. To the ones that might question this, once you start to become passable. This way they know youre trying and you're not just confused, and are more likely to support you if everyone else treats you like a woman anyway.

either way, i sat down with my mom and said "hey so i told my psychologist im trans."

I will never ever pass :(

remember, just because you feel a certain way DOES NOT MEAN YOU WERE BORN THE WRONG GENDER. to me that just preposterous. You can be a male and be somewhat femine or what girlier qualities than other males. GOD MADE you like this you weren't born the wrong way

>>8548386
remember, there is no god.

>>8548400
yes we're all just speckles of dust in space and time and life and consciousness has no meaning /s

>>8548432
If there's meaning, I'm sure not seeing it.

>>8548432
Why do you have a hard time believing such a thing but no issue believing in an invisible man in the sky?

>>8548440
indoctrination and fear

I'm finding it so hard to do voice training, hearing me putting on a shitty female one depresses me so much. How can I stay motivated so I can train without hating myself more. Also any other voice training tips and tricks would be greatly appreciated btw.

Thanks in advance.

>>8548449
Seconding this question.
Voice training has the double quality of both being highly depressing and highly confusing.

>>8548449
>>8548453
It's a lot more depressing than it is confusing. If you put a decent amount of time into it regularly and power through the feeling of being retarded you'll make progress

>>8548440
Nigger a god can't be quantified

>>8548509
That's because the concept itself is asinine.

Hey, 20yo ftm-trans-fag here.

I actually feel like I would be more comfortable living as a guy. However my biggest fear is ending up like a "will only ever pass 70%" type of transguy since I'm pretty short (164cm), have a slim upper body and comparably pretty wide hips, which aren't caused by fat but my fucking annoying bone structure.
Since I feel like I'd never be able to pass properly or look like a 16 yo boy until I'm 35 if I'd transition I am really reluctant to do anything and feel like there would be no meaning in transitioning now.

What do ya'll think? Anybody ever experienced anything similar?

>>8548685
take t, work out, work on voice
pass

>>8548386
If God made me a tranny, then what is the problem? You christians make zero sense

>>8548685
26 in a week ftm here. On t for almost 2 years now. I'm the same height (5'4 murican tho) I still get carded for smokes and liquor (though I'm trying to quit both so I can work out more) Same too for being skinny and bone structure, though my hips aren't too bad, it's noticable in the nude.
The first year was the hardest, one thing I don't hear people talk a lot about is how disruptive a hormonal change is to your emotions. I also had very little support so that didn't help, but it is a shock to your system. My point was that if you feel like this now, and you really are sure about it, go for it sooner rather than later. I was having the same thoughts before transition and though the first year had me feeling the same way you are worried about, things have really evened out physically and emotionally and continue to. My body fat distrubution (which over enough years will hide most hips) is still not where I want it, but when I work out, things go faster. I got top surgery about a year in, and was pretty skelly, I'm just barely starting to get pecs over being fully flat, but it feels good, looks good. I don't work out as much as I should, just some pushups and squats etc at home.
I feel like the experience so far has taught me a lot of patience and it's really helped my mental state and functioning a lot. This might be just me, I don't have a lot of people to talk to about this stuff but I also think it's helped me be less self-consious. I'm short, ok at least I'm not a midget. I'm skelly, ok, at least I'm not overweight or have diabetes. I still look young now (maybe 16/17) but that will advance further with HRT too, and I'll appreciate it when I'm older. Idk, if I can answer any specific questions if that helps more I'll try.

>>8548918
don't bother with the b8. internet arguments are rarely won.

>>8548685
Just wear normal male clothes. Nobody will see the size of you upper body or hips unless you're naked or wearing tight clothing. As for not looking like a 16 year old boy, stop taking care of your skin, grow a beard and just let T do its work. All FtM's will pass with enough time, but usually as young-looking manlets
Normal people barely even realize FtM's exist, if you're on T and have a male voice there's literally nothing to worry about

>>8549003
Repressing egg status.

>>8480444

what do you recommend when i feel like a MtF on some days, but feel fully male other days? i genuinely fluctuate, so that has held me back from pulling the trigger on starting hormone therapy, etc, and also it bothers me that they call it therapy, like something is wrong with me or something.

thank you for your help

>>8547320
You guys do realize that outside of america, 5'7 is pretty much average, in some countries even under average of girl height. I often get told I have the perfect height for a girl (fellow 5'7")

>>8549028

your use of the cis-gendered term "girl" is offensive, grow up already

>>8549032
Umm, just checking by, and back in time, since /lgbt/ started, I only posted in trans help general. Why because it was the only thread for decent discussion. Seems that there's no decent threads left these days.

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I know i want to look cute and feminine, i know i'd rather kill myself than let T make me more masculine in the next years (i'm 18), i don't know if i want to live as a girl but IM surely i don't want to age as a manly man. And every time i remember t is poisoning me even further i feel awful but still im "unsure" about this...

Tl;dr i don't want to age like a man but i'm not sure i want hrt... How to not be a retard?

>>8549435
consider hormone blockers? I am an idiot when it comes to those things, but talk to a professional and see if they could prescribe you something.

well my dermatology appointment went fucking awful and left me just feeling more dysphoria
they just rushed me in and out and sorta brushed me off and told me they couldn't fix my hairline and just try over the counter rogaine. And also they told me I was in the wrong office to even discuss the laser hair removal and I have to go to the next town over and pay a 50$ fee to even see the person who does it to discuss it and they won't tell me how much they will charge unless I pay the fee to go sit and 'talk' to the person who does it.
I think I'm just going to wind up going to my primary doctor and tell him I'm trans and just let him deal with it.
Anyone got advice on how to tell your doctor who has been seeing you for ten years and some change that you're actually trans?

>>8549459
> And also they told me I was in the wrong office to even discuss the laser hair removal and I have to go to the next town over and pay a 50$ fee to even see the person who does it to discuss it and they won't tell me how much they will charge unless I pay the fee to go sit and 'talk' to the person who does it.

That's bullshit. Go to groupon, almost every laser place has 80 to 90% off coupons there. With groupon it's usually $100 to $200 for 6 treatments on a medium area.

>>8549459
Medicine is a con.

Every treatment should be over the counter.

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>>8549504
Yeah I checked and found one place that does. But it's around an hour or two away, it's not the place I was going to go and there isn't any others that have coupons in my area. But this is what I found so far, not sure if these is a good price or not.

>>8549445
I can order them but i always cancel the order at the last minute. I'm quite scared of the changes and scared of regreting it later. Idk why. I think that this may related to the fact i'm planning to get Cypro, wich is really agressive and irreversible if i fuck up. I can't afford Bica and i don't like the side effects of spiro.

>>8549550
no anti androgen is irreversible. fertility and testosterone will always come back when you stop taking them. the only thing that is irreversible is an orchiectomy.

>>8549550

You can somewhat control what way you age, but you cant not age. You pick your path. Look for better ways for yourself, if what you have now wont cut it.

>>8549549
>85% off
What?

>>8509327
how the fuck does an ftm use a urinal

>>8528713
>>8530451
You're still trans.

Being trans just means you have the mental state of a gender identity mismatched with your physical sex. Whether you actually want to transition or not is a wholly different question than "am I trans?"

I think I'm trans, wat do?

>>8549097

even the trans discussions are attracting trolls these days. perhaps the trolls are transitioning too

>>8549549
What state are you in?

>>8549901
Please help

>>8549901
Kys

>>8549901
>I think I'm trans, wat do?
Take skittles, KYS, repress till 50 then transition of KYS anyway

>>8550292
:(
I don't want to do that. I mean sure I think about suicide a lot but I still have family who I care about too much.

>>8550303
Then take the fem&ms anon

>>8550393
I don't understand what that means

>>8550434
Take estrogen

>>8550434

sure you do, sebastien

>>8549798
i mean, how do i go about it now? i got strongly advised not to get homes from the internet,actually in general....if i transitioned, would it help me? i mean, i know that ill never be a born female obviously, i dont know if doing it, trabsition, would help me.

>>8550569
>i got strongly advised not to get homes from the internet,actually in general

And you listened? Why don't you make your own decision? Do you think presenting as a female (or male if ftm) would make you feel happier? Get a therapist and talk to them about it if you're really unsure

>>8549963
down south

>>8550569
Even if you never go out an present as female, hormones can have positive mental effects. I felt a lot better even after just a few weeks on mones way before any major physical changes.

>>8550581
Louisiana?

>>8550585
nope, why if I may ask?

>>8550569
>i got strongly advised not to get homes from the internet

Honestly if you order from any of the three sites listed in the HRT general you'll be fine. I've heard of people losing their orders but I've never heard of anyone getting poisoned or getting fake meds or anything.

>>8550622
I thought the numbers on the Groupon looked familiar. Secretly wanted to believe there was someone else like me here.

>>8550650
Well I'm in Florida, so if that's where you are then maybe so!
pls say yes so I can have a trans friend to talk to in my state because I've been dying for that, seriously

>>8550669
Not them, but I'm from Florida

>>8550678
Let's be friends then anon

>>8550669
Not in Florida but I've been there a lot and I do live in the south. Can I also be your friend?

>>8550686
I mean, sure. What do you use to talk usually?

>>8550706
Yeah of course, you or anyone else can be my friend, even more so if anyone is in the south
>>8550714
For you and anyone else who is curious I mainly talk on Discord, I can also use email too, so you or anyone else can just drop their email or Discord and I'll add/message you.

>>8550718
Gum#1468

Posted in wrong thread

>Almost 27
>HRT months away
>Balding
>Super wide shoulders
>Super wide chest
>Super big hands and feet
>Masculine face
>5'7" height
>tfw soon to be hon
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

daisylynn#0552

>>8550787
Well, I'm sorry anon. At least you aren't super tall. I still love you.

>>8550837

Thanks, I'm depressed and I hate my life and myself but I still keep fighting, I love you too.

>>8550787
What's wrong with being a hon, my young man? The ones over at susan's seem much happier with their lives than all those suicidal self-loathing teens here! :)

>>8550787
>Almost 19
>Still no idea how far or close from HRT
>Super wide and big chest
>Hate myself daily
>Don't know if I will ever pass
>Too depressed to do anything in life
>REEEEE
>empathy.jpg

>>8550883

Are you trolling? Susan's hons are posers, it's easy to type smiling faces but they look miserable deep inside.

>>8550888

I feel the same, in the past there have been times where I have had the strength to do something with my life but the last few years have been shit, I've been unable to do anything worthy, my path to transition is the only thing that keeps me going. Keep fighting anon.

>>8548964
>>8548967
Thanks for the answer anons.
About hiding my bodyshape with clothes. My upper body and shoulders are so awkwardly slim I can't compensate with anything for that, it's always super noticable. Plus my legs are just naturally so long and far apart, that I really feel there is no chance of ever achieving a natural male look. I'm hairy as fuck so that might make it able to pass but other than that I really feel like I will end up looking like your "typical transboy not really man".

Also ftm anon, how late would you say is too late? Do you ever feel weird about yourself because of your body, or regret transitioning because of it? I feel like I'd constantly be disgusted by my obviously trans body and therefore am not sure if transitioning would even help my mental state at all.

>>8550787

I'm like the ftm version of you
> straight silky hair
> super slim shoulders
> super slim chest (except for needless flesh lumps)
> super small hands and feet
> feminine face
> 5'3" height
> tfw some day to be 16yo manchild forever
> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>8551271
>tfw no needless flesh lumps on chest

>>8552226
I'll gladly give you mine. Get that shit off of me.

>>8550574
>And you listened? Why don't you make your own decision?
im really shit at decisionmaking, in general i feel like i fucked up alot when making my decisions. when it maybe doesnt work out and i know that i fucked it up ill hate myself into oblivion
>Do you think presenting as a female (or male if ftm) would make you feel happier?
well, when i first got a wig and wore makeup i felt really great cause i saw myself passing, kind. then my rational side hits me and i start doubting that alot more and the more i think about not passing im down more and more
>Get a therapist and talk to them about it if you're really unsure
i am, shes alot more focused on my depression though. i mean, i wouldnt have called it a depression if it wasnt for her so...theres that i guess. i told her about certain issues but my doubts aswell so...yeah. she said she wanted to focus on my depression right now, advising me to go to a clinic..

How to deal with hormonal swings?
HRT's going great, but the anxiety and depression are just brutal and sucking the fun out of it.

I hab a question.. If gender is a social construct, then why do people get so mad when I get it wrong :-p.

Pls don't report me it's a serious question

>>8553434
Because gender is not a social construct, but gender roles are.

>>8553344
They should happen less often over time. Just go lay in your bed for a few hours or something if it happens.

I wet my bed because I'm trans

What's better, laser hair removal or electrolysis
And could I get a pro and con list for both of these and any other anons personal thoughts?

whats a good way to "chase" as it were? And how can I convince trans members to put more effort into being passable?

>>8554865
Laser mostly only good for white skin, dark hairs. Electro for anything else.

My family almost got me dressing women clothes, I am with fear to continue to have such pleasure. In truth I want to transition, but if I get out, they will kick me out of home. I really don't know what to do to continue with my closeted trans habits. Any sugestions to still crossdressing?

I'm mildly confused as to whether or not I'm trans its not like I hate my body, am constantly depressed, or feel like I'm looking at a "different person in the mirror". Ever since I was 3 or 4 years old I have wanted to be a girl, and was disgusted by the idea of having masculine features, body hair, getting called "handsome. I still resist getting callused or masculine. (although I have let myself get used to being hairy as I am slow to even brush my teeth many days let alone bust out a razor).

I wore my mothers clothes back then as well and it felt amazing to me I cross dressed at least 2 other times as a kid and enjoyed it. I also was mistaken as a girl a few times back then without cross dressing and was very proud. When i was 13 or 14 I tried to kill my bodies testosterone production by doing things contrary to what would be healthy for guys to do, however it was hard to keep up with without getting called on it so I stopped.

Ever since then I decided to just be ok with being a guy and for a while it works, but several times every year for the past 4 years, I get the desire to be a girl and do bizarre things such as
>crying about being unable to be a girl
>plotting to steal clothes from my parents again
>wanting to get pregnant and be a trad wife
>looking up spells on the internet to turn myself into a girl

As of now I'm 18 years old and I'm straight but sometimes hot guys turn me on and I have a crush on another guy in my class. I have had an AGP fetish since I started masturbating, but it is clearly not just a fetish to me. what do you think? Am I trans or just have unrelated problems. Should I see a psychiatrist.

>>8554954
Please try not being a creepy fetishist and going after trans girls

>>8561328
It might be worth trying to go to a therapist, but that all sounds like you are very obviously trans

>>8549549
Groupon places are almost always shitty IPL 'lasers', they aren't worth it. Look for terms like medical laser.

>>8561854
whats the difference?

>>8562255
IPL is not permanent

How do I get a trap gf as a straight man?

>>8565346
Craigslist or /b/

>tfw off depression meds
>tfw dysphoria is back

I was doing so well

So..
I'm confused.
Had insane dysphoria during puberty, then grew to be 'ok' with my body. It's ok, it's what I have. Used to run around in boys clothes and felt sooo happy when people thought I was a boy. Loved genderswap narratives too much.

I am fine with my body, my genitals etc. I am not comfortable with changing my body using synthrtuc means, like hormones or surgery. I am happy if I am treated like a guy, and being 'sirred' makes me beyond happy. I've come to terms with rhe fact that I look like an underage twink.

I still want to be seen as a guy, and I'm worried that this is just a fetish or something like that. Should I even bother telling people who don't figure it out themselves? I have no problem with what others think of me. I can get by as a woman. I'm just insanely happier as a man.

>>8566961
>I'm worried that this is just a fetish or something like that.
So what if it is?

How do I get a job while looking like a hon? I need ffs but my self image is such shit I feel uncomfortable every time I go outside.

I don't look that bad, or maybe I do. Idk anymore I just hate my face. How do I deal with this so I can work again?

>>8480444
Does anyone have any tips for dealing with mild gender dysphoria that doesn't involve transitioning? I don't want to do HRT, as I'm not dysphoric all the time (I'm depressed a lot - not too bad and I honestly have no idea if it's even related to my gender shit), and a variety of other reasons I really don't feel like going into. I used to be in denial about this shit, but honestly every other month or so I keep revisiting trans places to try to deal with it and I don't think it's really something I can ignore, so I want to learn how to manage it. I just want a solution that doesn't involve hormones/surgery/social transition of any kind.

>also inb4 kill yourself fagét

My wife passes flawlessly but lately insists that she doesn't pass and will never pass. How can I help her? My efforts to validate her seem to be viewed as pity or sympathy, and ultimately untrue.

She sees that sometimes I get attention from strangers (I'm also mtf) and see seems to act like their attention to me is a sort of implicit invalidation.

Have always seen myself as a dude and have always wanted to be one and hated my female body. But I don't want to be a real masculine guy; rather a more androgynous one. Does this mean I'm not really FtM after all? pls halp

>>8567986
Don't start T then just bind and shave your hair

>>8568001
That's pretty much me currently and I don't pass very well for a guy unfortunately. Do you think it'd be possible to just get top surgery and take T until I get a male voice and a more definitively male face and then stop?

>>8480444
can someone walk me through the difference between cypro and spiro quickly? or a link would be appreciated

>>8567986
Make changes that make you hate your body less and worry about labels later

>>8567986
>Have always seen myself as a dude and have always wanted to be one and hated my female body. But I don't want to be a real masculine guy; rather a more androgynous one. Does this mean I'm not really FtM after all? pls halp
Are cis guys who don't want to be really masculine actually MtF?

How do I style super curly and thick masculine jew hair?

>>8480444
The best thing for trans people are bleach and jumper cables.

>>8568176
spiro blocks t production
cypro stops t production
spiro will dehydrate you, make you feel sleepy and youll pee a lot
cypro might make you 'depressed'

>>8566985
not that person, having thesame question though. for me ut was always the self esteem issue so additionally i am like 'cant even be a proper trans'...like in 'cantget anything right'. know its stupid

>>8569029
What is the difference between "stops" and "blocks" in this situation?

>>8567574
I am a transwoman that can't openly transition at the time, and what helps my dysphoria is taking some time off in private, making myself cute and just hanging out by myself. It is a nice way to charge myself up for days when I can't openly be myself and I always end up feeling much better after.

It seems like my main dysphoria is in my broad shoulders. For the last three months I can feel them constantly aching all of the time, almost like there's a physical injury but there isn't. Is there any point of transitioning when it won't even help this?

>>8567986
>Does this mean I'm not really FtM after all?
I see MtFs do the same exact kind of questioning, and I'm pretty confident at this point that it's just fear of change. The fact that you want to be a guy at all means you're FtM.

>>8569468
Spiro negates testosterone and inhibits production, while Cypro just straight-up nukes your balls. The latter is irreversible, but has no side-effects beyond the normal effects of low-T (depression, low sex drive, etc.).

OK, two questions:

1) Does anyone know of any good brow-reduction surgeons that don't cost a fortune and a half?

2) Is there any easy way to ask conservative parents to start calling you by your preferred name? All of my friends know me by my name, but I'm afraid to ask my dad to do the same.

>>8572189
>It seems like my main dysphoria is in my broad shoulders. For the last three months I can feel them constantly aching all of the time, almost like there's a physical injury but there isn't. Is there any point of transitioning when it won't even help this?
The aching is growth, so it will at least stop that.

>>8572277
1) If they were good they would charge more.
2) Don't beat around the bush, you just have to be straight with them.
>Lillith
You didn't seriously name yourself this, did you?

>>8573154
Good point.
I'll try to be more direct with them, instead of just subtly hinting at it. It's scary though, I don't want to be rejected...
>You didn't seriously name yourself this
No, it's a stage name.

>>8572189
yeah because the rest of you will look fine.

so 24 wide shoulders good jawline tall big hands and feet deeeeeeeep voice

is ther even any point?

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>>8575902
tfw thats a no then

>>8575902
>24" shoulder width
is this even humanly possible?
i thought my 17.5" was bad

M(tF), 20, People's Republic of California
I'm never going to pass or get a body remotely close to what I'd be comfortable with. I kind of want HRT anyways but I'm scared it'll turn me into a half man half woman unlovable wretch. Please help.

>>8575982
I think he meant he's 24yo.

>>8577064
If you put in zero effort and take hrt you'll still look like a dude. Pretty easy to hide unless you get massive boobs.

Hrt really doesnt do that much... i used to be so excited now im just like meh, nothing is really changing actively. Its just me doing all the work and a little bit of titty and a little bit of better skin and ive been on for 5 months already. Thank god i already passed without but is it like this for everyone?

>>8575902
>24 wide shoulders
holy shit

>>8575982
same here lol

>>8577200
they should be using punctuation instead of running massive lists. This is basic grammar.

>>8578633
I was under the impression that the overall changes happen slowly and possibly last multiple years to get the full effect. Most of changes you get are probably so slow that you won't be able to tell yourself unless you keep like documenting yourself every day.

>>8578633
Most people who are not passing pre hrt need a year or more.

>majority of trannies don't pass
>haha just take HRT you'll be okay and pass fine xD


which is it
I don't want to look like a freak before I kill myself

Are 15 inch shoulders narrow if I'm like 6 feet tall?

>>8580348
I'd say if you're old (30+) it's really hard to pass, but if you do it in your teens or early 20s it's not too hard so long as you put work into it and you aren't like the most high testosterone guy ever with a neanderthal brow, 20 inch shoulders, and a barrel chest. Most people will overlook small out-of-place details so long as overall you look fem.

If I take 100mg of spiro per day and it keeps my T levels pretty much nuked, would 25 mg of cypro be enough or should I just start with 50mg to be sage? I'm wanting to switch cause I'm going diy now so I might as well get better AAs.

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Need some help here, story was too long written properly so greentextan.
>20, Male
>primarily male interests
>bi favoring women and effeminate men, with a sort of peculiar interest in hung, skinnyfat, soft, slightly hairy guys
>moderately GNC since earliest memories, always wanted to grow my hair out, played house as a housewife, etc., nothing super major
>want to be an anime girl
You can stop reading here. I won't blame you.
>have "dysphoria" over the things that prevent me from transitioning flawlessly
>pretty sure I'm just an AGP loser failed male /r9k/ meme
>decide to go to a therapist to have them fix me
>tell GCM I want a gender therapist
>no, fuck you, ACA says you have to go to a regular therapist first if you want insurance to cover it
>explain to this guy that I unironically want to be an anime girl
>he says this isn't his department but that I may be genuinely trans and that he'll forward me to a proper gender therapist
thanksobama.wav
>explain my situation to this lady
>she says I'm totally trans and that a cis male wouldn't feel this way without autism or OCD
>says I was just expressing myself through the only avenues I had available to me as a male
>this isn't the answer I wanted so I go to get a second opinion
>this one also says I'm totally trans
>she says I pursue male hobbies and interests because my feminine role models are anime girls designed to cater to 15 year old boys
>this still isn't the answer I wanted so I go to get a third opinion
>this guy is a self proclaimed "conservative therapist"
>we talk for about 10 minutes before electroshock therapy comes up
>leave immediately
>decide to get checked for autism and OCD with the first guy
>comes back neurotypical and none to few obsessive tendencies respectively
>officially diagnosed with gender dysphoria
>I still argue I'm not trans but this fucking cartel of therapists shoots me down and says I'm in denial
>decide to ask strangers on a Mongolian pornographic basket selling forum for life advice

>>8581967
Well from the sound of things you're trans but in denial due to perceived masculine attributes caused by your male socialization.
What exactly do you want us to say? That your entire team of therapists is wrong and you'll be perfectly happy if you just wish upon the magic AGP star on the TruTrans Solstice?

>>8581967
>>officially diagnosed with gender dysphoria
>>I still argue I'm not trans but this fucking cartel of therapists shoots me down and says I'm in denial
I don't know how it works there but in Finland you yourself have to accept the diagnose to get it. You won't be labeled gender dysphoric unless you agree.

>>have "dysphoria" over the things that prevent me from transitioning flawlessly
Do you mean like your problems are with your male features that you feel prevent you from passing? If yes then I think that's what kept me repressing for years because I always thought I couldn't pass.

Going to the doctors in a couple of days for my first time about trans stuff (MtF).
What should I expect? I haven't been to a therapist or anything but that's because in my area thay are all far too expensive.

>>8582115
>from the sound of things you're trans
I mean, I wouldn't be entertaining the idea if it was totally impossible, I just don't feel like these doctors are equipped to deal with my issue.
>What exactly do you want us to say?
I don't know. Share similar experiences and your own conclusions, ask questions that could reveal information I should deliver to them, stuff like that, I guess.

>>8582766
>I don't know how it works there but in Finland you yourself have to accept the diagnose to get it. You won't be labeled gender dysphoric unless you agree.
I was diagnosed because I met the medical definition per DSM5. They obviously can't make me transition or anything but they have to diagnose it if I meet the definition and they rule out the alternatives.
>Do you mean like your problems are with your male features that you feel prevent you from passing?
Yeah, mostly. My biggest issues are with stuff I can't ever change like height, shoulder and rib width, and genitalia.
>inb4 SRS
Not with current tech. Same with shoulders and ribs. Sure they can break your collar bones and give you a limited range of motion and slight hunch in exchange for an inch or two and sure they can take out ribs but it's not safe or sane. Most respectable doctors would refuse.
Anways, it's not like how I've seen other people describe dysphoria. If I don't focus on it then I can get by unless something reminds me of it, like hitting my shoulders in a narrow vertical area or towering over someone who's the height I wish I had. It's also not like I just want to be within passable female ranges, although that would be nice too, I really want to be tiny. Like really short and petite. The gender therapists said this was a result of overcompensation and my feminine role models being impossibly petite anime girls, respectively. I dunno, I get what they're saying but it seems wrong? Maybe 4chan true trans dogma and anti-AGP shit in general has twisted my view. Then again maybe they're hugboxing me.

>>8582972
>I just don't feel like these doctors are equipped to deal with my issue.
The doctors can't tell if you're trans or not. Really only you yourself would know. They should be guiding you so that you allow yourself to question and so that they can rule out mental diseases or abnormalities we can actually do something about.

I think you should maybe try reading this
https://freethoughtblogs.com/nataliereed/2013/03/17/how-do-i-know-if-im-trans/

Are there any reason why GID and other sites recommend much lower E2 levels than what most mtfs will tell you? Like, GID says 30-120, Endocrine Society just says less than 200 and Royal College of Psychiatry says 70-140. But mtfs will always tell you to go 200-300, where'd they get that info?

>>8582972
>I was diagnosed because I met the medical definition per DSM5.
It's an arbitrary and subjective load of crap.

I'm a men's 34, what size women's pants should I be buying?

>>8583016
So this basically says
>FUCK the patriarchy, just b urself c:
in a few thousand words. This is the only line of actual substance I could find.
>What matters with hormones is that they redirect your experiences and questions from being about who or what you are and “am I trans?” and “what’s my gender identity”, towards questions of “how do I feel about this?” and “is this making me feel better?”. “Is this making me happy?”.
In context they're basically saying try HRT to see if you like it, which seems really scary to me because the primary sex hormone has a huge effect on the brain.
I guess if the moral of the story is "being trans" isn't a thing that matters I should definitely not do anything because I can't get a body I'd be comfortable with? Not sure if I'm selectively, and poorly, interpreting this or what.

>>8583048
Pretty much yeah. I was just explaining why they did so. They got me on
>A strong desire to be of the other gender
>A strong desire to be treated as the other gender
basically as soon as I walked in the door, so it's like, whatever. Pretty sure they loosened the standards from DSM4 to be less gatekeepy, not sure.

I realize I've basically just talked myself in circles here, and I'm terribly sorry, but I am very confused and am unsure whom to turn to. I suppose that article suggests I turn my focus inwards but my answers well ran dry years ago.

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My psychiatrist and social worker tell me there is no way to change my sex and that Im a man and that can't ever be changed.
#justkillmenowfamalam
Picture related, my facial expression

>>8583092
All that matters is that your choice makes your happy. Trans, AGP, dysphoria, anime, whatever, fuck it. I don't recommend "trying HRT", it's serious business, not a funny food. That isn't to say you shouldn't drop HRT if you don't like what it's doing, but you shouldn't get on it just to see. If you don't believe it will make you *more* comfortable with your body you should absolutely not start it, but just because you won't get close to your ideal body doesn't mean you can't get *closer* to it. Either way the effects are reversible before six months of so. I agree with >>8583016
that your therapists should be a lot less insistent and forceful, but they probably believe that transition is the only way to deal with your gender identity issues as they understand them. You understand them better though. A lifetime of experience is worth more than all the words in the world.

>>8583092
The problem is they aren't trying to help you, just slap a diagnosis on you, tell you do/don't transition, and kick you out the door.

This is what the trans lobby has accomplished.

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If I dont pass after a year of HRT should I just detransition? I transitioned late and even though I personally like the changes the rest of society treats me like a freak. Its making life hard. Im starting to feel like I was on the right track with repression

>>8583199
>If you don't believe it will make you *more* comfortable with your body you should absolutely not start it, but just because you won't get close to your ideal body doesn't mean you can't get *closer* to it.
I mean, in a vacuum yes I do want the effects of HRT, but in reality I don't want to be a disgusting freak. No offense to anyone here, but most people do not like unpassing transpeople at all, regardless of which gender they present as. That's not even touching on how impossible it makes dating.
>your therapists should be a lot less insistent and forceful
Yeah, that's part of the reason I came here. I tried finding a good therapist but it didn't work.

>>8583205
Alright so we hate the Jewish cabal or Liberal media or whoever, sure, but what can I do about my issue if therapy isn't viable?

>>8583252
>Alright so we hate the Jewish cabal or Liberal media or whoever, sure,
Anon... it's ourselves who are to blame.

>but what can I do about my issue if therapy isn't viable?
Therapy ourselves and each other.

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>>8583369
Hey, now, I just got here, alright? It wasn't me.
I'm in no position to therapize anyone but if you can help me I'll pay it forward if I see someone like me.

>>8583215
A year isn't much, you should wait atleast 2-3 years on mones.

>>8583421
Not you or I personally, but the ones who traveled this path before us.

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I'm about to hit 3 months hrt soon and will have to tell my friends that I'm trans soon.
I don't want to lose my friends, how do i come out without being abandoned? No "if they leave u they arent real friends" shit responses please.

>>8584275
Just use your tranny magic to control their responses to your coming out, of course.
Seriously, if they leave then they aren't your friends anymore and there's nothing you can do about it. You've changed somewhat drastically and they might not like you anymore.

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