Is AGP a choice?

no, because it doesnt real

>>8419925
Please define AGP. When I discovered (straight) porn I always saw myself as a woman. Then I started reading feminization/gender change stories. I saw this as a symptom of dysphoria and I decided to transition. Oh and like the first couple times I crossdressed when I was a teenager it turned me on. My therapist told me sexual interest has nothing to do with gender dysphoria btw. Does this make me AGP?

>>8419928
fpbp

>>8419925
Is any fetish a choice?

>>8419938
modern therapists are programmed to dissociate paraphilia from personality, no professional will blink if you tell them you like forced-fem. They hear it all the time!

You have to remember there's a whole spectrum of degenerates in this world, and only a very tiny percentage of them are trans.

>>8419938
>My therapist told me sexual interest has nothing to do with gender dysphoria btw.
That makes them a hack.

>>8419925
According to the research, it's a unique sexual orientation that manifests in late childhood-early adolescence so it's most likely innate.

>>8423348
>AGP is a sexual orientation
This stupid meme again.

>>8423364
i've been AGP since before puberty and it sure feels that way to me

>>8423416
When did you transition? 15 and older is hon age.

>>8423348
>tfw didn't manifest itself for you until you'd already established yourself sexually as a young adult

>>8423408
I was AGP too, and it feels a lot more like other autoerotic fetishes than gynephilia.

>>8423364
Not an argument.

>>8423434
How so?

>>8423452
Just because a fetish takes over your life to the point where you can't get off to anything else doesn't = your sexuality.

Anymore than someone who needs sounding rods in his urethra to cum is suddenly a "sounding-sexual" or someone who absolutely has to have watersports in a scene is a "piss-sexual".

We can do this for every damn fetish on Earth. They're not sexualities. Period. To field such an argument is to misunderstand the very word.

>>8419925
Yes. Being trans is a choice.

>>8423488
what do you mean by being trans though

>>8423470
How so what?
I have a fetish for being bound (mostly imagining it though), and it invokes similar feelings and arousal as AGP.
And actual gynephilia is more.. encompassing? intense? deeper? fulfilling?

>>8423534
i'm >>8423408
idk my AGP was always stronger than my gynephilia
i always wanted to be a girl way more than to be with a girl

>>8423471
Still no argument, just "it isn't, because it isn't!".

>>8423549
No rebuttal, just shitposting and the molyneux meme.

Expected on a board like this, but still sad. Continue letting memes rule your reality.

>>8423545
So you have a strong fetish, that doesn't mean you call it sexual orientation and generalize your experience.

>>8423563
can call it*

>>8423534
>And actual gynephilia is more.. encompassing? intense? deeper? fulfilling?
Is that just because there's another person involved?

How are the bound fetish and the AGP similar in feeling/arousal?

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>>8423416

I wanted to be a girl since at least as far back as 5 years old, but I only had my first AGP moments in 5th grade. I still transitioned at 20 (ignorance, stubbornness, fear, and probably something else played their parts).

>>8423446

>has her face and body ruined earlier than normal
>is called an "early bloomer" for this

>>8423432

How young did you start to have tits, ass, and curves worth feeling up?

>>8423585
>Is that just because there's another person involved?
No.
>How are the bound fetish and the AGP similar in feeling/arousal?
Both developed early, both are only good for cheap a fap you'll feel disgusted by later just a bit.

>>8423604
What were your early AGP and wanting to be a girl moments?

>>8423641
So the key way gynephilia is different from AGP is AGP is disgusting afterwards and gynephilia is emotionally fulfilling instead?

How do you know it's not the other person?

>>8419925
I see the term AGP popping up everywhere.
what does it exactly mean?

>>8423724
It means you have a gender TF kink. Everyone who has ever jerked it to gender TF is secretly a tranny who doesn't know it yet. Every last male on F-List and gelbooru, the weird ERP threads that used to be on /soc/ and skeletonchan, people pretending to be a girl on steam - all trannies. Every last one. No, you could never delineate your sex life from your real life! That's impossible! Clearly, EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER JERKED IT TO THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC is just going to be consumed alive by it until nothing is left but being a girl.

Yeah. This is how logic works!

>>8423752
>skeletonchan
?

>>8423423
sue lightning Transitioned at 18, she's a a total qt, better than 95 percent of non trans women.

>>8423670

Simple wanting to be a girl moments:
>Praying to wake up a girl when I was 5. I know I was 5 at that time because I only lived in the part of the house that I prayed for that in at that age.
>I wanted to wear a tutu/be a ballerina when I was around 5, it could have even been 4 years old, but who knows. Instead of admitting it I projected that desire onto my brother and made fun of him for it (just one night because my father then lectured me over it).
>I was under the misconception at 5 or 6 that my mother might have been born a boy and that she could help me become a girl too.
>I was about to tell my mother that I want to live as a girl and I could be the daughter she wanted when I was released from the hospital in 3rd grade.
>I felt hurt when my mother said I couldn't remove my unibrow because I was a boy. Maybe because at that point I thought I was a girl, or maybe just that I didn't think there was a difference in what boys and girls could do.
>A BrainPOP video said some boys develop breasts during puberty and that it's normal, I wanted that to happen to me. That might have been sometime in 3rd grade.
>Wanting to grow my hair out but I just got the shortest haircut possible every time because I didn't see the point in a fight and wanted to face the reminder of having to cut my hair short as infrequently as possible. Felt jealous of the Puerto Ricans I saw because they had their hair long, and I thought the reason my mother didn't let me have long hair was because she's Dominican.
>I wanted to dye my hair blonde but didn't think it would work with my skin tone and might have thought my mom wouldn't let me anyway, so I recommended it to my mother, who has a lighter skin tone.
>I was about to cut my dick off in 4th grade to make myself a girl (for non-AGP reasons).

>>8423670
>>8424462

AGP moments, they're not in chronological order since they were all in the same year:
>This is one I haven't ever mentioned before because I forget it whenever I'm asked. My 5th grade history teacher (who was teaching us about Mesopotamia, Babylonia, and ancient Egypt that year) told us about her trip to a place in the middle east. She said she had to be covered head-to-toe in a burqa and accompanied in public by her husband. I imagined being forced to live under those rules and wear a burqa just because I was a woman and it turned me on. I guess that's a mixture of transvestic and behavioral AGP.
>A 5th grade friend described to me the way SRS is performed and I got hard.
>I turned the TV on to Spike, MTV, or whatever it was (the last thing that had been watched was probably the Andy Milonakis show) and this was on at around this point. I got aroused thinking of myself as a girl in a bikini. https://youtu.be/dW2MmuA1nI4?t=1m59s
>two friends in 5th grade told me about the story a female classmate had where her dog bit off the dick of cadaver she found while walking in the park. The idea of getting my dick removed also aroused me.

There's more detail to most of the stories, but that's basically it.

>>8419938
Man, I just insert as who I think is enjoying it most. With the emphasis on female that most has, it's often her.

>>8424462
>>8423670

My kindergarten had a dress up corner with a ballerina costume and I liked to wear it. Until my teacher said I couldn't anymore because I was a boy.
I liked the mr. Rodgers episode when he visited a ballerina dance class when I was around the same age. (around five)
When I was even younger, still in daycare, I remember I saw some diapers with cute characters on them on a shelf in a closet. I managed to get them down somehow and I put one on. Then my daycare provider saw me and told me not to do that. It cracks me up to think that I had a bit of a diaper fetish when I was like four.
Also, I never peed the bed, but one night after I had been watching the animated Disney Cinderella movie, I dreamed I was dressed as a girl in a yellow dress between two other girls in red and blue dresses and we were giggling, and I was happy and embarrassed and I felt like I had to pee in my dream, and I woke up with a wet bed. I actually put my bed sheets in the wash machine and dryer the next morning though. that was around four as well.

I had tons and tons of other stuff as I got older too. Still only got on hormones when I was old af (22) ((fell for the agp meme and convinced myself it was just a fetish and I wasn't actually trans))

>>8423348
There is literally no research that shows AGP is an "orientation" rather than a fetish.

>>8423408
>>8423604
Children can have fetishes. If you feel gender dysphoria that makes you trans. A fetish just has nothing to do with that.

>>8423720
The key is describing emotions is hard, and you seem to desperately want to make agp and gynephyllia equal with leading questions and ignoring what I said earlier.

>>8425056
I just want to try and ask something that helps you find the words to describe why they don't feel equal to you.

Yo, could someone actually tell me what AGP is? I did google it, but I will admit, it kinda confused me and I still have no real clue D:

>>8427428
See >>8384843

>>8427387
>I just want to try and ask something that helps you find the words to describe why they don't feel equal to you.
I mean, it's pretty simple - fetishes only really surface when aroused, while sexual orientation is always there, and you sort of perceive the world through its lenses.

>>8427538
It's not simple for someone who doesn't already know what they're looking for!

>and you sort of perceive the world through its lenses.
How do I know when I'm doing this?

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I remember hating my body since I was 3, I remember wishing I was a girl at 6, never knew there was anything I could do about this until 17, I just plotted my suicide since I was 9.

When dating came along, I actively avoided it, so much so that I was semi-excited / relieved when I started growing a unibrow because it meant people wouldn't find me attractive. I think I hated my body so much that the idea of anyone else liking me made me sick. I had plently of girls make moves, (and a few guys). each time, I shut down because the absolute second I learned they liked me, I found them abrasive.
I managed to get a GF at one point, they enjoyed talking dirty, it always made me uncomfortable, after about 6 months, I warmed up to the idea, but I only ever wanted to focus on them, and as soon as she started kissing my neck or touched my dick, I needed to stop.

Now that I'm on Whoremones, it's almost a complete 180, I can actually bare to be touched. I guess it just feels good knowing they like me as a pretty girl, instead of a handsome man. Even if I'm getting a reacharound. (which is as much as he's willing to do, but I can't say I mind it) I don't know what this makes me, but a few hundred a month is a simple price to pay over feeling suicidal 24/7.

>>8427939
More detail about your earliest wishes to be a girl?

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>>8430142
sure, I guess

I remember nervously staring at this one girl in Pre-K so much she came over to ask if I was okay. I haven't the slightest idea what was going through my head, but my little 4yo self just blurted out "can we switch bodies?"
Didn't go over too well, but her friend thought it was funny and she started talking to me and her and I grew pretty close (however close 1st graders can get) for the next 2 years. I was just one of the girls, no one thought anything of it. I changed schools halfway through the 2nd year. this new school, boys and girls were sworn enemies, the girls running the whole damn place, I was kind of forced to hang out with boys because the girls would shove your face in the dirt if you tried talking to any of them. (I have several scars from that year because I just don't learn) I tried to boy, but the only thing I could ever relate to anyone was a shared interest in Teen Titans, When we played pretend, they always wanted to be beast boy, I put aside my obsession with shapeshifters to avoid conflict and always played Starfire.
That year, at home I started wearing Mother's clothing and jewelry whenever I was home alone. One day, I got caught, and her closet became off limits, I had to settle for shoes and earrings from there on out.

switched school again, this time, girls weren't physical, but they knew how to manipulate teachers to a T, and there was still a gender war I avoided partaking in. only one girl in the entire class didn't berate me relentlessly and we grew close, I remember crying anytime her parents said we couldn't visit each other's homes. Never did reach that point due to this. about two years later, she kissed me on the cheek... you can guess how I reacted.
There on out, she started devoping feelings for another boy, and she stopped talking to me.

>Too long, but if anyone's interested I can continue on.

>>8431913
Do you have any friends now? And are they men or women?
How's your relationship with your mom now?

All life is a choose. You control what you jerk off to. Only excuses for lack of willpower allow one to wallow in their own and never move on.

>>8427939
>>8431913
;_;
I hope you're happy now Anon

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>>8431989
>>8432017

This story does have a good ending, I've changed schools 5 times in total, after shit after shit, the last one went super smoothly, and I gained a multitude of friendsalmost instantaneously, by the end of the year I did the math, and it ended up an exact 5:1 ratio, F:M

as for mother, It's always been somewhat healthy, I started HRT almost 2 months ago, in the process of waiting on the 1st batch, mother made an impromptu visit to my apartment, and while teasing me about my clothing being fairly fem, (I was going for andro) she gave a playful shove and felt my bra, she flipped out, and we didn't talk for about a week. I instantly cried to a friend online and we went through a long discussion about everything. she came back to apologize the next week and she's been super supportive since.

The guy I cried to however, skip to today and we're dating. planning on meeting sometime next month. Girl Life is good so far.

>>8432049
I'm very happy for you! I love good endings. Good luck, Anonette.

>>8432012
ill believebthat if u can make yourself enjoy jerking off to rotten eggs
lmk

>>8432049
you lucky bitch

>>8432049
Aw, congrats. Hope your relationship with the boy goes smoothly.

>>8432080
Wanna put money on it?

Yeah and I chose to stop being AGP.

I still want to be/feel like a woman sometimes

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>>8432072
>>8432081
>>8432117
thanks guys, I haven't the slightest idea what he sees in me, but fuck it, I 'ma try my damnedest to be waifu material. c;