Why do the majority of gay men appear to be High on the Agp scale?

those are stereotypes and gay men sometimes just act like chicks because thats they nature

id love to hear about gay guys who have transvestic fetishism though (gay guys with not a hint of bisexualism i mean)

Because Blanchardian typology is needlessly limiting and gender bender fantasies occur across a wide range of situations and eventual course outcomes. Seriously, which is the more likely outcome to you?

>every gay man on earth secretly wants to be a woman
>blanchard is wrong

>it's another "all gay men are secretly closet trans"
HSTS ain't real.
Stop believing in postmodernist lies.

>>8408289
I also feel like that kind of gay is over represented in the community, as they stand out more. Gays like me that are more "straight acting," (even tho I fucking hate using that term) are less noticeable, so I feel like people assume there are less. There are plenty of gay men unlike what OP has described, it's just easier for them to fly under the radar

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>>8408289
because the gay men you are describing is what agp is and not what transsexualism is. The whole blanchard theory has some grounding to it but it has nothing to do with actual transsexuals it has everything to do with the phenomena of gay men acting like total faggots.

>>8408289
Several of those are "high on the HSTS scale", not "high on the AGP scale".

> Is me or are these men trans and repressed?
> Or is it simply hardcore autogynephilia?

Hardcore autogynephilia *is* a form of transness, and in fact the most common. Hardcore HSTS is the other.

>>8408493
Are literally any of them AGP?

>They don't mind being called by female pronouns. She, bitch, girl, etc.

Innate gender identity doesn't exist. The vast majority of people (since they aren't suffering from the mental illness of transgenderism) don't involuntarily start thinking of suicide if someone refers to them with opposite-sex pronouns. (They might be annoyed or perplexed as to why it's happening, but that's very far from a dysphoric reaction.)

The notion of a magical innate gender identity is just a postmodern lie. More charitably, it's the result of early transitioners applying the typical mind fallacy.

>>8408493
>>8408523
you guys are retarded. like i said its just faggots who think they are trans but they arn't and it has nothing to do with transsexualism however Blanchard didn't understand that so know we have all these brainwashed gay fags thinking this. honestly at this point i think this is a shitty attempt to push actual trannies off this board because all the gay men on here have always wanted that.

>>8408536
Your post sounds like it was written by a fourth grader. Feel free to respond to the substantive content of my post when you understand what I'm saying (you can take your time).

>>8408545
the second you said innate gender identity doesn't exist means that you have no idea what transsexualism actually is so fuck off.

>>8408559
If 1% of the population experiences psychopathologies connected with their subjective experience of an innate gender identity mismatch, and 99% of the population does not exhibit any sign of having an innate gender identity, then "innate gender identity does not exist" is an accurate description of the situation.

Having an "innate gender identity" at all is part of the psychopathology of the mental illness of transgenderism.

>>8408523
>More charitably, it's the result of early transitioners applying the typical mind fallacy.
Thank you! Finally, someone who can put into words what HSTS is!

>>8408289
I've always told people I'm gay but I'm pretty agp and probably trans I think.
I've talked to other gay guys and besides acting like 14 year old girls they don't have a ton of agp type thoughts. I always thought the fact that I read transformation erotica and could self-insert as the girl in straight porn meant I was just a gay bottom but I've never met any other gay guys that are like this. Plus when I talked with my bf about crossdressing just in normal clothes he was really confused because he only knew of drag queens and thought it was strange that I wanted to just wear normal girls clothes just to hang around in and whatnot. Plus he had a hard time understanding what I meant when I was telling him I prefered a more feminine body and stuff.

So no, I don't think gays are very agp at all, they do effeminate stuff, but it's all really stereotypical feminine traits and it doesn't really match up with how females actually behave. Plus from my experience talking about my fantasies or what I dislike about my body other gay guys seem utterly perplexed and have no idea wtf is wrong with me. Most aren't even vaguely aware that it's a sign of transsexuality. My bf just shrugs it off and tells me to be happy like it's no big deal because to him he has no concept of being trans and the issues I was talking about to him were hardly any concern to him.

>>8408572
>implying every trans person is the same
>implying inate gender identity doesn't mean when someone has an inate desire to be a certain sex and therefore identifies more with humans who are the sex they've always wanted to be
>implying you know anything about anything

>>8408480
why do tentacles fire me up??

>>8408632
If your "innate gender identity" is just "identifying more with a particular sex", then it's dependent on arbitrary cultural norms and standards.

Looks like your "innate gender identity" isn't very "innate" after all?

There's a reason why the term "transtrender" exists.

>>8408572
hmmm maybe that's why there are studies saying that actual transsexualism is somewhere around 0.3 percent of the population. Because 99 percent of the time peoples innate gender identity lines up with their sex so they never have to think about it. Transsexualism is an extremely rare neurological condition that is akin to rare sex development disorders yet most idiots think that wearing a dress and acting like a total faggot means they are trans these days when it just means you are a gay faggot who is agp or hsts

honestly hsts doesn't even make any sense but its what all the fembois with low self esteem say they are because no one wants to have the realization that they might actually suffer from a real legitimate medical condition called transsexualism so instead they live in a fantasy world of being a fembois gay fag instead of going to a doctor they order HRT online.Thus misrepresenting the condition even more into obscurity. I thought sjw's already did a good job doing that but seeing this board infested with this blanchardism rhetoric is fucking sad.

I am going to have to completely agree with the OP here. Therefore, I am just going to echo everything said.

I honestly, deep down, believe the majority of homosexual men are trans repressed. I've seen and I've known homosexual/queer people, my whole life and the overwhelming majority of them are a stereotype of this.

Go to any gay capital throughout the world and you will see just how femme preferred they greatly are. No I'm not saying that there aren't some gay men who appear to be regular dudes (and even then they may have gotten hit with gay voice) however, the majority extremely do appear to be repressed trans indidvuals.

'girl, she, bitch, gurl'
'Beyonce, Gaga, Britney''
'straight men, straight porn'

Why do you think Rupauls Drag race is so popular among so many gay men ? Its not even straight women - - gay dudes. literally the only 'gay' show that's on TV atm. IDGAF what anyone says. These guys are women stuck in a male's body.

>>8408619
>besides acting like 14 year old girls
>they do effeminate stuff, but it's all really stereotypical feminine traits and it doesn't really match up with how females actually behave.
Blanchardian theory is that gay guys are related to HSTS mtfs, and OP's points are towards that instead. OP would have made a lot more sense saying HSTS instead of AGP. The theory is that gays have feminine traits and enough of them and that particular person fits in better with girls and if they transition/get dysphoria are HSTS.

AGPs on the other hand are unrelated to gays and HSTSes.

That would all explain why they can't relate to you, the same way AGP mtfs and HSTS mtfs have trouble relating.

Gays being stereotypically feminine and not matching actual females doesn't seem to fit, but I guess that's just a matter of how they express it, and of course gays who stay as gay guys tend to be the less feminine ones, unlike the transitioners.

Bi guys tend to be closer to AGP. If you talk to them I bet you'll find them more relatable when it comes to that kind of fantasy. They shouldn't have the same kind of stereotypical femininity either.

Why do you say you're gay rather than bi?

>>8408710
they are either just gay faggots or extremely repressed trannies who will never transition because they are weak as fuck to ever come to that realization. Why do you think so many fully transitioned transsexuals think drag is equivalent to black face?

>>8408725
>>8408719
>>8408710
The gender bender army has arrived trying to armchair convert every gay/bi man on earth for their fetishes.

Freaks. If you want my dick so badly come and take it!

>>8408740
is that seriously ur rebuttal fucking sad dude just stay being a fag and fuck off.

>>8408672
The inate desire to be a certain sex comes primarily from PHYSICAL sex dimorphism not from social dimorphism. No matter what kind of culture we lived in I would always want to have boobs and curves and fuck hot guys who are attracted to me because I look like a girl and not a guy. I want to live my life with the PHYSICAL BODY of a girl and as such identify more with other humans who also live their lives with girl bodies. It's really not that hard to understand. The social aspect is totally secondary and only annoys me because when people used to treat me like a boy it was just a constant reminder that I didn't have the girl body I always wanted.

>>8408719
I only really like bottoming so I'd have no reason to get with women. I suppose in some sense I like them though, but I wouldn't ever have sex with or date a girl.

>>8408763
pegging is a thing you know

>>8408767
Not really common enough to be worth pursuing. Plus I'm sure they'd rather have normal sex 90% of the time anyway.
With guys it's easier, they have a dick and anal is common among gay guys so it all works out lol
Plus I prefer the relationship dynamics of dating a guy.

>>8408753
How many times do I have to repeat myself?

If the cis/trans dichotomy were real, then all "cis" people would also have an "innate desire to be a certain sex", namely their own.

That is BLATANTLY FALSE. The majority of people simply DO NOT have a strong feeling of identification with their biological sex.

The very existence of such an "innate desire" is a characteristic of the mental illness of transgenderism.

>>8408672
>>8408753
The change from transsexual to transgender is really only to indicate that you don't nessiciarily have to change your sex to be transgender. It recognizes that identifying as a girl(I.e. Feeling like you are more similar to girl humans than boy humans because you would look like them and be a part of their social class for sex and social reasons) is enough. You don't need to actually chop off your body parts to be trans anymore. It's about the identity which has its roots in the physical.

>>8408783
why would they have a strong desire if their entire sexual dichotomy is inline with their gender identity? Your reasoning is so bs. There have been studies that say if a cis person transitions they experience dysphoria, commonly called transition regret.

>>8408783
Um yeah because they NEVER HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. They're already comfortable in their bodies and because of that wouldn't think "omg I really really hate the current body I'm in I wish it was the body of the sex I already am". Literally makes no sense.

>>8408763
>I suppose in some sense I like them though
Could you fap to a girl?

>>8408782
>Plus I prefer the relationship dynamics of dating a guy.
In what way?

>>8408783
Also you're fucking stupid if you don't think cis people look at a group of those who are their same sex and think "I'm one of them"

>>8408797
>>8408799
>>8408810
>>8408821
https://medium.com/@rftbk/a-simple-science-review-on-gender-identity-4a9fb06a4cc3

Feel free to continue ignoring the scientific evidence.

>>8408829
oh let me post a real academic reviewed one, Feel free to continue ignoring the scientific evidence.

http://www.functionalneurology.com/materiale_cic/389_XXIV_1/3373_sexual/

>>8408813
>Could you fap to a girl?
Well I watch straight porn all the time. Plus I can fap to pics of girls. But it's just hard to differentiate between agp stuff of fantasizing about being the girl or whether it's just normal fapping.
>In what way?
Just better to cuddle with and such. Plus I do actually kind of enjoy sucking dicks lol
I've never actually been with a girl before so I guess I can't really say it's that different but I'd imagine it would be pretty awkward given I regularly fap with dildos and I'd hate to have to hide stuff like crossdressing for my whole life. I could pretty much guarantee you 99.9% of girls would not be comfortable with what I'd actually want out of a relationship, but with gay dudes it's all just fine.

>>8408833
Oh, I see. You're one of those science cargo-culters who think that linking to a ~*peer-reviewed article*~ is the end of the discussion.

Feel free to kill yourself anytime.

>>8408848
and you're one of those trolls who think posting non peer reviewed links means more than actual reviewed research? holy shit i am arguing with a true retard. Like i think someone suffering from actual retardation is smarter than you.

>>8408829
Wow all your piece of trash blog post really said is that gender identity isn't strictly determined by whether someone has an X or Y chromosome. I don't see how that proves anything except maybe even help my argument

>>8408843
>But it's just hard to differentiate between agp stuff of fantasizing about being the girl or whether it's just normal fapping.
Can you describe this more?

>>8408829
This is literally also just a blog post from a non medical professional that just uses feelings to try and discredit a peer reviewed study that doesn't really take a one or the other stance on the issue.

>>8408865
I dunno what to really say about it. I only really watched straight porn while young cause I didn't know about gay stuff I guess. Would just imagine myself in the girls place I guess. That's pretty much the whole reason why I even started doing gay stuff. I don't really watch a lot of gay porn though, but I like some amateur stuff or occasionally twink porn.
If I read transformation erotica or anything I'll just find stories involving sex with guys rather than tg lesbian stuff which seems to be more common though.

>>8408886
What leaves you unclear about when it's normal fapping or not though?

>>8408910
I can sometimes just fap to the thought of guys fucking me like if I'm just lying there playing with a dildo. That's usually how I fap and I don't really watch porn or anything, just fap normally I guess.
But sometimes I tend to lookup erotica and I tend to look up transformation stuff and if I lookup pics of girls and such it's not really the same situation since I self-insert.

>>8408920
Just the thought of being fucked can still be an agp fantasy if you imagine yourself as a girl or even just being treated as a girl.

When will transpeople realize that this is the exact kind of behavior that makes them hated by many people ?

>>8408937
Except it's difficult to see how it's different than just wanting to be a gay bottom. Like when I'm bottoming guys usually "treat me like a girl" at least in the sense that's it's pretty much identical to watching straight porn.

>>8408952
The actual sexual activity doesn't have to be different. The difference is everything else, the transformation erotica, the crossdressing, the ways you can't relate to other gay people, the looking up pics of girls.

>>8408969
Yeah it's pretty shitty. I think I'll survive just taking hormones and being femboy-ish I guess. I don't really use my dick anyway so it's no loss to me lol

>>8408289
its neither, they're just gay

>>8409101
How dysphoric are you?

>>8409276
I don't actually mind my dick or anything it's just during sex I don't use it much. I've always had issues getting hard or I just take too long to fap so I've just gotten used to ignoring it during sex, even if I can get hard it would take me too long to orgasm anyway. I still enjoy bottoming even if I don't cum though.
I'd probably be just fine if my body didn't masculinize anymore and I got more female features. I don't personally mind getting boobs or any of the other effects, I'm already sterile so that's not a big deal either. Even if I'm not trans the only downside to hormones in my mind is social repercussions. I'd probably be just fine not socially transitioning if it weren't for the fact that I'd be a dude with tits.

>>8408289
I'm a straight AGP, somewhere between nerdy and masc.

>They don't mind being called by female pronouns. She, bitch, girl, etc.

i'm cool with female pronouns, makes me happy actually. Although being called a girl is rare for me as im kinda masc.

>Obsessed with female pop stars and pretending to be them

I love female pop stars! Dont obsessively follow them but love that style of music. I keep it on the downlow though.

>Will often wear feminine accessories/clothing.
>Have tons or female friends. When posing with them for pictures they often pose just like them

I have no female friends and am a loner. I'd like to wear feminine clothes and accessories, they're so pretty! But I present as a normie cishet man.

>Wear hair pieces/weave

Nope, butch haircuts for me.

>Watch straight porn and live the fantasy through the women, and prefer straight men

I've done this for years but i'm not attracted to men after i cum, only attracted to women and trannies normally.

>Love's drag queens and their performances.
>Basically, anything femme will do and is preferable

Dont follow drag, maybe I should. I think drag queens are awesome, I'd even sleep with a cute one. I cant fathom why gays want to do the masc for masc bullshit instead of being a fab queen.