Anatomic AGP

You should, but be mentally prepared for you're "purely anatomic" dysphoria to creep into other areas. It's a lot harder to be a regular man when your system is running on estrogen

>>8391392
Well, I can just be a more feminine man.
I'm not so sure what you mean by "creep into other areas".

>>8391405
I mean that things that you used to "be ok" with (read "I am just pretending I don't hate it and am bargaining with myself") start becoming less ok as your time on hormones increases.
That said anatomic agps are at highest risk for severe bodily dysphoria so hormones are nearly always a good idea for them

>>8391405
HRT will make you more dysphoric in many different ways
it will also change your emotions in a way that will make it very hard to present as a normal cis male
i'm also just anatomically AGP and have been on HRT for six months now and i like the effects but I might have to stop desu

>>8391459
>anatomic agps are at highest risk for severe bodily dysphoria
Yeah, but I don't have it right now. Maybe getting a good therapist and right self-help could prevent it from developing.
AGP is almost my whole sexuality.
>>8391463
>HRT will make you more dysphoric in many different ways
How?
I think I will be fine. I want a more feminine body, I just don't feel like a woman and presenting as a guy seems fine to me.
I will become more feminine emotionally, but there are tons of feminine guys (mostly gay) and they are still men.
>HRT for six months now and i like the effects but I might have to stop desu
That sounds cool, why stop?

>>8391503
I can barely pass as a cis guy and not an FTM anymore
Mostly because of my face but the mental changes aren't really helping

>>8391503
You kind of do though, non dysphoric males do not seriously consider taking estrogen to feminize their bodies and ask about it on lgbt forums.
But there's nothing wrong with this, you're probably just trans although you don't fully realize it yet.
I bet you're young and small already which is why the severe dysphoria hasn't crushed you yet.

>>8391514
Can you describe how you look pls?
The more detail the better.

>>8391503
>AGP is almost my whole sexuality.
What do you mean?

>>8391521
>non dysphoric males do not seriously consider taking estrogen to feminize their bodies and ask about it on lgbt forums.
Another nondysphoric AMAB here, on hrt 6 months also, and I like it and will continue

>>8391521
>you're probably just trans although you don't fully realize it yet.
>I bet you're young and small already which is why the severe dysphoria hasn't crushed you yet.
Please don't jump into these conclusions.
I am not traditionally trans and I'm not that small.
I am 19 and moderately masculine.
Let's say I am dysphoric, just anatomically. Wouldn't fixing the body fix the issue?

>>8391526
It turns me on so much that it overshadows everything else.
>>8391543
That's interesting, I've heard people say that emotional changes are bo big deal before.
>>8391551
Can you tell us your story briefly?

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>anatomic AGP
Superior form of AGP tbqh

>>8391524
i have some feminine facial features like a straight short forehead, big eyes, full lips, small mouth and small jaw/chin, but my brow and nose are a bit big
i'm 24 and 5'11 though, with no hips
i was mistaken as a dyke a couple times before speaking even before i started hrt and it's gotten worse

>>8391555
>19
Well no shit! You realize how much development happens in the next 5 years? A fuck ton
I wish I had someone to tell me at 19 what agp, trans, and hormones were. I'm trying to be that person for you before you get too old and your "non dysphoria" completely materializes and you're drinking and smoking weed constantly just to get through the day

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>>8391336
>Anatomic AGP.
You're a tranny just come out of the closet, OP.

>>8391570
>It turns me on so much that it overshadows everything else.
But does that make a difference? If what turned you on if the thought of being a girl while she's having sex with a guy, then you're still being turned on by the same scene as straight guys and girl, just in your own way.

>>8391584
How do you dress?
>>8391594
Please don't.
I have done my research and I know I'm an agp.
That doesn't mean I won't take hormones.
Don't try to push me into trans-box.

>>8391602
but I don't want to live as a girl, i just want to have a body as feminine as possible
maybe also for some nonsexual reasons but so what?
t. >>8391463

>>8391613
Suit yourself senpai but I'm speaking from personal experience as a previously "only anatomic agp"
Don't wait until you want to kill yourself to start

>>8391613
just normal guys clothes
i'm super skinny, especially my arms and neck so i look kinda andro anyway

>>8391617
Not me.
>>8391618
Well, I'm not sure will I ever start. Everything is an option now.
>>8391619
That sounds ok, I don't mind crying really.

You people find new ways to convince others to take skittles by the hour.

I hate to say it, but /pol/ was right you are all just obsessed with turning all the males on earth into girls. It must be a fetish for y'all, I can't think of any other reason to do so.

The only shitty part is these armchair navel gazing blanchardian terms will disseminate through Tumblr and Facebook and the other shitpiles of the internet until you can't even admit to be a crossdresser without being LE SELF REPRESSHUN OMZG TRANNNIE TAKE SKITTLES NAO B4 TOO LATE111!!!one

>>8391617
Explain living as a girl to me.

You can literally do anything, you don't have to talk only about makeup to be a fucking girl.
If you want to be a rocket scientist you can do that and be a girl, anon.

Also "anatomical AGP" is probably the biggest meme name you could come up with.

> i just want to have a body as feminine as possible
>maybe also for some nonsexual reasons but so what?
You're a literal tranny but too stupid do do anything which means you will end up finding out about being a tranny in 30 years when you're a disgusting hon cross dresser which will trigger your dysphoria so hard you will jump a bridge.

Good luck

>>8391642
>others
*ourselves
if you feel like you want to take skittles it's not our fault
in that case you should do it tho

>>8391644
>You're a literal tranny
Why would he be a tranny? He clearly stated it's a fetish for him so what can't you understand?

You tranny proselytizers are the worst.

>>8391594
>You realize how much development happens in the next 5 years? A fuck ton
ouch

t. 24yo not on hrt

>>8391577
whoever makes these stupid nonsensical charts should be lined up and shot

>>8391644
eh I'm already on hrt at 24 though so idk
i mean trying to pass, changing my name etc.

>>8391642
I noticed this too, but it turns me on.
It's so hot what they want to do to me.

>>8391658
>Why would he be a tranny?
>I want to have a woman's body.
>I want to get breast implants, shave bones in my skull, chop my penis off and undergo HRT to feminize my body because I can't stand having a male body.
>Not a tranny.

lel.
The tumblr is too strong in this thread. Let's just call OP a genderqueer snowflake then.

>>8391659
You're closing in on the worst stage of masculine development, so don't waste any more time . I started at almost 25 and thank myself every day for at least not waiting any longer

>>8391647
*others

Not a day goes by you people aren't trying to grow the tranny horde under the false pretense that all males on earth should be girls. Guess what? Not all of us want to be girls.

>you should do it tho

I'd rather eat out a water buffalo's crusty vagina while humming the theme to the Truman Show.

>>8391676
ok should've said "as feminine as possible without surgery" because I'm ok with my genitals and small breasts and stuff

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>>8391673
>eh I'm already on hrt at 24 though so idk
>i mean trying to pass, changing my name etc.

>on HRT, Trying to pass, changing my name
>Not a tranny.

>>8391676
quote: "I feel like a man"

"sometimes I just fantasize about having a feminine body"

"I have always been a regular man and I like normal guy stuff."

clearly, this man wants SRS like right now!

after all, we all have to do what we fantasize about in our heads, right?

BRB raping fifty women and setting a grade school alight because that is /lgbt/ tranny """"logic""""" for you right there

I'm not a psychopath, I'm just AGP! Yeah!

>>8391676
Stop being retarded, pham.
Some lad likes to have a wank in panties and you trannies come pouncing on him and chirp "yuo a tranny too!"

It's fucking ridiculous.

>>8391689
when the person who i replied to asked me what i meant by not wanting to live as a girl i posted that to explain what i meant
reading comprehension, people

>>8391694
>Having a fap in panties equal going under HRT and changing your literal name and documetantion to a female.

Anon...

>>8391697
>having a daydream about going under HRT means you actually want to do it

I guess that means everyone who's ever experienced ageplay fantasies is a pedo! Lock 'em up!

Rape fantasies? A rapist. Lock 'em up!

Pregnancy fetish? Clearly, she just wants to be knocked up IRL!

This is how fantasies work on /lgbt/! You can't have a head-space! It's all just reality! LOLO

Freudian armchairs should hang themselves for trying to e-psychoanalyze people to their own detriment.

>>8391678
When is the worst stage?

>>8391707
around late twenties to 35-40 for most people
there's exceptions of course

Guys, maybe I wasn't specific with my question.
Is just taking skittles for anatomic agp a good idea or not?
Is it worth it?

>>8391730
Yes.
If you are skeptical try them for three months and then decide if you want to continue or not.

>>8391730
it will make your life a ton more complicated and will probably kill your sex drive and possibly AGP with it
if that's worth it for you then sure, go ahead, it's your life

>>8391697
>changing your literal name and documetantion to a female.
Lol where did he said that?

He said he's a man with manly interests and behavior and just wants to feminize his body to get off. That hardly makes him a tranny.

>>8391730
Yes. Enjoy those wanks my man.
t. anatomic AGP enabler

>>8391735
Is it that easy? You can just ask and trial them?

>>8391730
Do you want to mess around with your cardiovascular system for a kink?

I'll be nice and let you in on a secret; I'm in the same boat as you, except a lot more dominant. I ain't taking pills.

Yeah, you'll age, and you'll age like a man. That's life. No amount of hormones is going to stop you from aging, and you'll never keep the baby face forever.

To be honest, though, I'd much rather age like a man than age like a half-woman. I've seen more than enough of my share of 50+ yo MtFs to know that shit ages like milk. I would much prefer to enjoy my youth and femininity as I still have them rather than taking steps to try and "preserve" such features borne out of fear.

>>8391754
if you have an informed consent place near you then yes
if not you can probably mail order them, which is what i do

>>8391736
Kek, this is a good argument.
>>8391746
Yeah, those wanks would be on sex level.
>>8391754
Not me, some dumb troll

>>8391756
what if i do want to age like a woman and not like a man

>>8391756
My agp is pretty hardcore too.
The healthiest thing would be to do some self-development and accept your masculinity.
I know that I'm a man, this whole agp thing is bs.
Are there any good ways to deal with it or reduce it?

>>8391777
Trannies have been around since the early 60's. It's not as hard to find someone who started young and aged as you want to believe.

Go cherry pick the one or two photos of "acceptable" 50+ yo celeb-trannies, I personally could care less about your trigger.

>>8391771
>age like a woman

You need a uterus for that one. Not even hormones will simulate menopause for you.

>>8391813
The modern class AAs have been around since the early 90's. Still no signs of improvement in aging trannies. Nice try trying to convince me, though, you're barking up a concrete wall.

>hurr menopause not good

How do you age like a woman without menopause? Please, elucidate, the magical aged cis-girl who never went through menopause

>>8391832
on hormones you age the same as a cis woman who takes hormones for menopause
you don't need to look menopausal to age like a woman

>>8391857
>>8391855
>undefendable arguments & insults: The board

PROTIP: Cis women age like milk too. Your destiny is to be a somewhat masculine old cunt. Enjoy it.

>>8391878
yes but that's partially because of menopause
and i'll rather be a masc old cunt than an old man tyvm

>>8391887
>muh androgymeme

Enjoy being ugly & unloved then.

>>8391895
yeah i've been trying to, for my whole life

>>8391570
>Can you tell us your story briefly?

>be me
>unsure about my sexuality
>grow my hair long as an early act of gender rebellion
>browse /lgbt/
>learn gender theory
>realize I don't identify as a man, but also not as a woman either
>abandon personal gender labels
>makes me free to act however feminine or masculine I want, not give a fuck.
>still get gendered male 99% of the time. This slightly annoys me, since people assume my gender (and therefore my personality) based on my appearance
>wish I looked more feminine
>also developing romantic attraction to best friend who I cannot have a relationship with
>would rather end the attraction to save the friendship
>read on /hrtgen/ that hrt can change attraction
>bonus feminization
>buy hormones online
>take them
>know I need to test my hormone levels and stuff
>3 months in, at doctor, going to get blood drawn for unrelated diagnosis
>ask if I can get my hormones tested too
>"why"
>Umm, well, you see...
>"you're on hormone replacement therapy? Who prescribed this to you?"
>internet
> >:O
>"I'm giving you legit prescriptions"
>ok
>get free hormones cuz obamacare
>now 6 months
> improved skin, butt, breasts, fewer erections, less man stink, and really emotional, cry a lot
>will continue

>>8391336
Thanks, OP. Now I want some Wendy's.

>>8391968
Damn, I wish I could get free hormones.
> improved skin, butt, breasts, fewer erections, less man stink, and really emotional, cry a lot
Sounds pretty good to me.
Continue pls.

>>8391993
That's some good marketing, huh?

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>>8391669
Hey, I just made this one after reading your comment. I dare you to come here and shoot me big boy

>>8392305
Where does "takes the escalator but walks backwards down it as it rises" fit?

>>8392317
In yo mum's poussey.

>>8392333
She doesn't have one...

>>8392357
>She

>>8392357
Your REAL mom has to have one. Unless she's dead, but she had it.

>>8392371
>coming to our board and saying things like that

>>8392438
> oh, come on, dude

>>8392429
My 'real mom' as in the person who gave birth to me is now a man.

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>>8392499
Wow, the world has really come to this?
How traumatised you are?

>>8391336
If you want a woman's body, only hrt will give it to you. The feelings will not go away.

>>8392547
Yeah, but just the body. Not the whole "I'm a real woman, guys. I've always been one."

>>8392592
If you go informed consent you don't have to manufacture a narrative for their approval. Just be straight about what you want and that you've given it serious consideration.

>>8392619
Yeah, I know. I'm probably going to self-med for a while.

>>8392541
I don't know really, my dad (female) was the worse of the two but they split up, so it worked out alright.

I've got my own gender issues but supposedly it's genetic so it can't be blamed on trauma.

>>8392637
Or can it?
What gender issues exactly?

>>8392669
Normal trans stuff. Wishing I wasn't a male.

>>8392259
>Continue pls
No thats it i mean I'm continuing hormones :)

>>8391336
Y O U ' R E A G I R L

Threadly reminder that you can both be trans AND have a fetish..

>>8393148
Wow, nice.
>>8393506
All I see is fetish. Where is this "trans" thing?

>>8391968

did it change your hips at all?

>>8391336
/lgbt/: Fucking Tumblr snowflakes and their made up genders.

also /lgbt/: Here are 507 versions of "AGP"... I myself am 'Inside left elbow dermotatic AGP'

>>8395612
>All I see is fetish. Where is this "trans" thing?
Why do you only see a fetish?

>>8396410
Just in my case.
>I'm a guy
>like guy things
>behave like a guy naturally
>no dysphoria
>have crushes on girls
>would love to have a wife and kids
>AGP is overshadowing my real attraction to girls
I don't know what to say. It is just a sexual thing.
It would be ridiculous to say :
"No, you're actually a woman, trust me, dawg. It'll be fine, just transition."

>>8396475
Would being a tomboy lesbian be the perfect life for you?

>>8396475
>>I'm a guy
ok

>>like guy things
>>behave like a guy naturally
arbitrary
>>have crushes on girls
apparently lesbians aren't real?


>>would love to have a wife and kids
many ways of achieving this

>>no dysphoria
>>AGP is overshadowing my real attraction to girls
"I totally have no dysphoria also I want to be a girl and makes me feel good to think that I'm a girl. Also lesbians aren't real"

>>8396475
Hey, if you really don't experience dysphoria then you're probably a dude, but make sure that's the case and you're not one of those dumb "So what if I want to be a woman and am really sad about not being a woman I'm 100% cishet desu all guys want to be women right???" trannies.

>>8396590
>but make sure that's the case and you're not
How?

>>8396532
Being a man on hrt with boobies and feminised body, without people treating me weirdly would be perfect.
>>8396543
I'm a regular guy who has an extreme fetish of being feminised.
How do you make that leap?
How is a guy with a fetish a woman?
I am a MAN with a fetish/disorder, what do I have to do with lesbians?
>>8396590
I don't experience dysphoria, at least not how people describe it.
I don't hate my male body.
I feel perfectly comfortable being a male.
The thing is that I have a purely sexual desire to feminise myself. I would feel good in my feminised body too, if that makes any sense.
>>8396696
That is exactly what I would/will do.
It's almost like becoming your own girlfriend.
I would totally feel hot and turned on in my body. I would walk around naked and play with my boobies, all sounds amazing.
>I did this because I'm a failed male manlet
So, you present as female?
>I've become prison gay because my body is now attractive to men, however.
What?

>>8396832
>Being a man on hrt with boobies and feminised body, without people treating me weirdly would be perfect.
Why would that be better than being a tomboy, specifically?

>>8396845
If I could be a cis tomboy, I would love that.
However, I am a male and I feel like one.
This is why I prefer it right now.
I don't want to be a trans tomboy, that's too goofy for me. I want to be honest.

>>8396872
Of course you don't want to be trans, nobody does. The question there is whether or not it's a good enough approximation of being a cis girl.

But that you'd rather be a girl is what "you're actually a woman" means about you.

What do you mean that you "feel like" a male?

>>8396886
>Of course you don't want to be trans, nobody does.
Are you so sure.

>>8396890
Who does?

>>8396696
>I've become prison gay because my body is now attractive to men, however.
It's not prison gay for an AGP to start liking guys, since she has the potential for that all along. For a hetero guy it's contrary to his sexuality.

>>8396882
You might be able to attract some women with confidence and the right "vibe".
Do you live as a woman?
>>8396886
I don't want to be trans, obviously.
I feel fine with my male role and presentation.
So, wouldn't the best solution be to take hrt, but live as a male?

>>8396899
There's no guaranteed best solution for any AGP, dysphoric or not. HRT without socially transitioning is one option and I think it's worked for others.

>I feel fine with my male role and presentation.
That's not "feeling male" and doesn't mean you wouldn't be happier as a cis girl if you could be one.

>>8396903
I just don't want to play a role of a woman.
I just want to please myself with my deepest agp fantasies.
Why is life so complicated?

>>8396909
>doesn't mean you wouldn't be happier as a cis girl if you could be one.
Maybe, but I wouldn't be happy living as a trans woman.
Trans tomboys usually look really bad. I don't want to change my voice and put on makeup to pass.

>>8396918
Sounds so nice, but there are social problems that come with it.
I have to take pills my whole life, etc.

>>8396910
I know. Life isn't fair for AGPs.

>>8396921
>but I wouldn't be happy living as a trans woman.
Yes, the dream is always out of reach. It's just a choice of poor simulations.

>>8396936
For me it is either take hormones and live as a male, or deal with it.
The first option really attracts me, but the second one is far more practical.

>>8396832
>I don't experience dysphoria, at least not how people describe it.
That poster doesn't understand AGP. They think everyone must fit into neat woman/man boxes and if you have dysphoria then you're a woman in the wrong body and need to transition ASAP but if you don't feel dysphoria then you're a dude and transition is the worst idea ever.

They don't understand that an AGP's sexual desire to be feminine can manifest as dysphoria or not and that either way she doesn't outright fit in either of their gender boxes.

>>8396964
So, what are you suggesting?

>>8396832
>How do you make that leap?
Because you've self diagnosed as "AGP" and the only people that know that term are quacks and trans girls.

And every thing you post about yourself in this thread is just listing traits of being trans.

>>8396967
AGP life is so strange. I don't even know what to think anymore.

>>8396971
No specific course of action, just not listening to >>8396590's perspective of either you're a guy or you're a tranny in denial. That's a false dichotomy for an AGP, who could legitimately be seen as either.

>>8396964
AGP is a fetish. It is not a cause of gender dysphoria, though it can be a cause of anguish.

>>8396984
>AGP is a fetish. It is not a cause of gender dysphoria,
[citation needed]

>>8396979
That person here. If you're a guy and want to change your body to that of a woman, more power to you. Do what makes you happy. It is just not a medical necessity as it is in the case of transsexuals. Transsexuality is a medical condition and transitioning is a treatment for it. If you're trans it is important that you transition, but if you're cis and want to transition then good luck. Takes all kinds.

>>8396967
How old were you when you started? How far have you transitioned?

Why did you decide to?

What's it like living as a girl? Do you want a girlfriend/boyfriend?

>>8396975
Why do you want to turn me into a girl so much?
>>8396979
This all sounds confusing.
>>8396984
Yeah, I agree with this.
AGP does not cause "real" dysphoria (hating your masculine traits and being a man).
It can create a strong desire for femininity which is sexual and emotional. It can feel like you're in love with a woman you can't have. I know this sounds outlandish, but it's the best comparison I have.

>>8396987
Autogynephilia has all of the qualities of a fetish and is listed as a fetish in the DSM-5. There is absolutely no proof it can cause gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is thought to be caused by biological factors.

>>8396997
Prove there's a distinction.

>>8397005
It's simple, you're like a male but your AGP sexuality means you could be a trans girl too. It's your choice what's best for you.

There's no reason dysphoria can't stem from AGP.

>>8397008
AGP is a sexual orientation.
Why are you so determined to baselessly claim is can't cause dysphoria?

>>8397022
How dysphoric were you?

>I remember constantly saying "I WANT TO BE A GIRL!" when I was 5, and the thought kept coming up throughout my entire childhood.
How else would it come up?

Were you scared to transition? What made you decide it was worth the risk?

>but being this attracted to my own body lowers motivation to get a partner
How so?

>>8397027
>There's no reason dysphoria can't stem from AGP
I guess I've experienced that, but I wouldn't call it "dysphoria".
I can only feel it when I'm somewhat horny or feel "emotionally warm", if that makes sense. When I'm just chill, doing my thing, there's no dysphoria.

>>8397040
What does it feel like?

I think "dysphoria" that comes and goes is commonly reported by AGP trannies.

>>8397012
Nowadays transsexuality is thought to be caused by biological factors relating to genetics and the natal environment.

https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8392978/#q8393739
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2015to2019/2016-transsexualism.html

A fetish could not possibly cause such a condition.

>>8397027
>AGP is a sexual orientation.
If it is a sexual orientation why can it shift in life, when every other orientation is immutable? If it is an orientation why can it be cured? If it is an orientation why can it be acquired?

>Why are you so determined to baselessly claim is can't cause dysphoria?
Because there is no basis to argue that it *is* a cause for dysphoria, while there IS a strong basis for dysphoria being caused by biological factors.

>>8397028
>>8397043
But all the rest of a relationship, the companionship and company, sharing your life with someone, enjoying time together, being romantic with each other, etc?

That doesn't work alone no matter how much you become your dream girl?

>>8397049
>Because there is no basis to argue that it *is* a cause for dysphoria
There is no basis to argue that it isn't and there still won't be no matter how many times you repeat yourself.

>why can it shift in life
[citation needed]

>why can it be cured
[citation needed]

>why can it be acquired
[citation needed]

>>8397005
>Why do you want to turn me into a girl so much?
You obviously want to turn yourself into a girl. Which you can do.

Regardless, you're mostly talking shit

>>8396882
>>8396832
>It's almost like becoming your own girlfriend.
Please elaborate?

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>>8397058
>There is no basis to argue that it isn't
There's the null hypothesis. If you can't prove a relation between two factors you assume there is no relation.
Oh the other hand I just cited two long well-cited scientific papers on why transsexuality (and dysphoria) are probably caused by biological reasons.

>why can it shift in life
>why can it be cured
>why can it be acquired
Would you argue that Ray Blanchard doesn't understand autogynephilia? Because he believes all of this. Ray Blanchard believes that transsexuality is not innate, and can be cured in children and teenagers, just as his typology suggests, so trans people below 18 should undergo psychotherapy and made cis instead of transitioning. He supports transitioning as a palliative treatment for severe cases in adults. He calls helping people below 18 transition child abuse.

Minors being curable is how he interprets the desistance statistics.

>>8397059
>Regardless, you're mostly talking shit
Whoa, getting a bit edgy there, pal.
I just expressed my opinions.
>>8397079
Not much to say, you'll have to figure it out yourself.

AGPs are heterosexuals.
Most of your attraction is focused on your own femininity instead of real women.
You develop a sexual and emotional need to be a "woman".
So, it's like you are your own wife.
That's all I can explain really. You connect the dots.

>>8397080
>so trans people below 18 should undergo psychotherapy and made cis instead of transitioning
I'm 19, do you think there is hope for me?

>>8397115
I don't believe Blanchard's line. I think being trans is biological.
To be fair to you I will say that I think Blanchard would say yes. He believes the condition becomes chronic somewhere during early adulthood.

>>8397123
Curing it will be a problem. There are no Blanchardian therapists where I live.
Maybe I can do it on my own using some modified personal development techniques.

>>8397080
That's misuse of the null hypothesis considering even WPATH says more research needs to be done while you take advantage of the lack of knowledge to fraudulently assert there is no connection.

>Because he believes all of this.
I'd like to read what he says about it in more detail than a tweet.

What you say now doesn't match your three assertions but I'll see what he says before assuming you are lying about his statements.

>>8397109
>So, it's like you are your own wife.
sounds comfy desu

>>8397145
Yeah, just imagine being naked in your bed, playing with your boobies under the blanket and feeling warm.

>>8397135
>That's misuse of the null hypothesis considering even WPATH says more research needs to be done while you take advantage of the lack of knowledge to fraudulently assert there is no connection.
There is an infinite number of potential causes for dysphoria. I could invent a new one right now. Without proof there is no reason to believe it. The same is true for the typology.
More research IS required. We DON'T know the exact mechanism behind transsexuality. However there ARE plenty of reasons to strongly suspect a biological cause (see the links I posted) while there are no such reasons for the alternatives.

>I'd like to read what he says about it in more detail than a tweet.
Look into other stuff he wrote. He expresses this sentiment often.

>What you say now doesn't match your three assertions but I'll see what he says before assuming you are lying about his statements.
How is believing that transsexuals (i.e. both types of transsexuals) can be cured not a statement that AGP is curable i.e. mutable? He also said he doesn't believe people are "born trans", which takes care of the other two lines.

>>8397135
>>8397164
You guys are taking this way too seriously.

>>8397211
Memes aren't just memes if they cause harm to real humans. Ignorant newbies come to this board and believe them. Some ruin their lives over them. I must take this seriously because there are serious consequences.

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>>8397219
>Memes aren't just memes if they cause harm to real humans
I know what you mean, Andy Sixx meme ruined my life.

>>8397332
I can get a girlfriend, but my agp distracts me from it often.

>>8397164
>More research IS required.
You admit this but you're still happy lying that the AGP doesn't ever cause dysphoria?

>Look into other stuff he wrote. He expresses this sentiment often.
Link?

>How is believing that transsexuals (i.e. both types of transsexuals) can be cured not a statement that AGP is curable i.e. mutable? He also said he doesn't believe people are "born trans", which takes care of the other two lines.
That's wrong and AGP is not the same as dysphoria, as is clear from both our perspectives in this conversation.

>>8391968
>>"you're on hormone replacement therapy? Who prescribed this to you?"
>>internet
>> >:O
>>"I'm giving you legit prescriptions"
>>ok
>>get free hormones cuz obamacare

>>8398878
>You admit this but you're still happy lying that the AGP doesn't ever cause dysphoria?
It's as likely to cause dysphoria as watching anime is. You have to prove that it is a probable cause, otherwise the logical assumption is that it is not one. On the other hand I posted multiple articles about why a biological cause is probable.

>Link?
Look through his twitter, or read through his statements about Zucker's clinic around when it was closed. You've ignored the sources I posted so far so you can do so yourself.

>That's wrong
Guess Blanchard doesn't know shit about the typology.

>>8391785
Stop wathcing porn and get laid. If you do jerk off, do it standing up and make sure you move like a man.

Works 90% of the time, when AGP is something virgins condition themselves into having by sitting down and spreading their legs jerking off in the bathroom while looking at pictures of women sitting down with their legs spread.

The other 10% it's a neurological defect and you have the sex brain of a woman.

>>8400582
I had some early signs of agp, but it was ignorable.
When I started masturbating (early puberty), all I wanted was to fook young girls.
Mid puberty AGP became much stronger and eventually took over.

Again, I had some signs of AGP before puberty, but I assume it grew to be a big thing because of porn and masturbation.

Yes, I'm a virgin and I'm very addicted to porn.

I will try nofap, again. I must succeed.
I tried it 3-4 times before, but I failed and went on a binge every time. My personal record is 2 weeks.

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I would love to take hormones, live as a regular guy and hang out woth guys.
However, I would love to get fooked by my friends every once in a while.
I would be their buddy, but also their submissive girly hole :3

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>>8391577
Add interpersonal at the bottom.

>>8405719
Nope, anatomic is the best because you don't care what people see you as. All you need is a more feminine body.

Interpersonal can make you suffer a lot. Especially if you're a hon.

>>8400582
Oh i'd always lay on my back to fap unless I was on the computer watching porn.

The idea that a virgin could be conditioned into being AGP is interesting, but many virgins dont develop AGP. My AGP started with porn early on, I saw lesbians and I wanted to become that. I didnt have to be conditioned it was just there waiting for me.

>>8406044
I was also an agp early on, but my agp skyrocketed with my porn addiction.

I also developed various submissive and humiliation fetishes.
I think it's because I was a fat lonely masturbator during puberty, also, I spent my teenage years beliving I had a small dicc.
I felt worthless and like I can never please a woman so my brain developed new ways of being aroused, like it was looking for my place.

these threads are always depressing
I cant even enjoy a fap anymore

>>8406083
I see the bright side of it. There is a chance my agp will be significantly reduced if I quit fapping.

>>8405931
b-but I want to be a woman in relationship and sex and thats my main cause of suffering besides wanting to look like a woman

>>8406501
That's interpersonal.

>>8406501
I want to be a feminine person in sex and somewhat in a relationship too, not necessarily a woman.
This concept of a woman is so prevalent in these communities.
I want to be more feminine, not a woman.

>>8407055
I'd still call that AGP even if the end result is being a femboy.

>>8406074
Fat loney teenage masturbator? Me too lol.

>>8407365
Of course. You can integrate AGP into your life without having to go full trans.
Many AGPs go the "I'm a woman" route because it's often the best option. That and interpersonal agp, I guess.

>>8407426
And how is your life now?

>>8407440
Better than my teen life. I'm alot fitter and better at life but still lonely and masturbating. Although I dont have to do it as often. I became a stoner in my 30s yet was sober as a teenager. Usually its the other way around.

>>8391555
There is no 'traditional trans' as there is no 'traditional gay' you might feel better to let that go.
T. 'Non-traditional' mtf

>>8391613
Only trannies take hrt. Cis people don't even WANT hrt. If much of your sexuality is anatomic agp dysphoria sounds like it's in your future. I used to be 'fine' too.

>>8391617
To 'be a girl' is to have a girl's body. That's literally it. Using makeup or other girly thing is not 'being a girl'. Having fem features, boobs and a vagina is being a girl. Everything else is culturally defined.

>>8391707
>Tfw you think you are somewhat boyish enough to look not completely disgusting in women's clothes until you stand next to a woman and feel like a complete monster

>>8410459
>>8410467
Ok, I get what you're saying. So, can some femboys be considered trannies?
Am I a tranny even if I don't identify as a female?
I don't care really. I see gender as a meme for some reason.
>>8410471
>To 'be a girl' is to have a girl's body
Yeah, but my body will not be fully girl body. Of course I can identify as a girl if I want, but you get the point.
I already have standard male bone structure and I want to keep my penis.
Having boobs, soft skin and feminine fat distribution will not make my body fully female.
I want to be more of a girl than I am now, but not full girl, obsessed with passing, getting various surgeries etc.
As I said, identity doesn't mean much to me.

>>8397022
>Actually i don't think i'm purely AGP. I remember constantly saying "I WANT TO BE A GIRL!" when I was 5, and the thought kept coming up throughout my entire childhood.

That doesn't mean you're not AGP. It's not like sexuality starts at puberty. You don't remember having crushes on girls when you were a young kid too? And most gay people report they had crushes on their same sex peers since very early childhood

I'm not saying if AGP is valid or not, but saying "It can't be real because I felt some things before puberty" is really not valid. Again, sexuality does not start at puberty

>>8410814
Okay, but gender identity is not the same as sexuality. Just as kids can have sexualities they can also exhibit fetishism. Identifying as a girl is still identifying as a girl.

>>8410814
I wonder what the signs to look out for for childhood agp are.

>>8413960
Read any egg thread.

>>8407434
>You can integrate AGP into your life without having to go full trans.
Tips on how to do it?

>>8429773
Like Jenner did :^)