AGP is hell

>>8375760
You have a few options, depending on your level and type of AGP.

For minor AGP, living it out as a fetish, and learning to accept your fetish can sometimes be enough.

For moderate AGP, crossdreaming may be an option for you.

I'd also reccomend researching transgender stuff for a while. If you have fairly extreme emotional reactions to reading things related to transgender, blush if people call you a girl, exc. Then you may have to permarepress or transition.

For moderate and or severe AGP, I'd reccomend either full repession until death, or transition.

Be aware, if you choose the non-transition/perma-repress road, that it will be a lifelong battle, you will feel empty, like a piece is missing from you your entire life, and it will only get worse over time.

Do keep in mind you have the option of perma-boymode with low-dose HRT to keep you sane.

-Non-transitioning No-HRT AGP here.
Best of luck to you, and don't forget, you're here forever.

>>8375760
Stop being a self obsessed retard and get a purpose in life beyond your own pain and pleasure. Art, literature, politics, philanthropy, etc... Things to keep you inspired and occupied, looking forward to something. Once you've delved deeply enough you'll feel as if your gender struggles were a mundane exercise in futile self indulgence.

>>8375986
Not everyone has a life purpose, anon.
I've been looking for mine for over 20 years.

>>8375986
Some people have severe apathy. I, have severe apathy. Nothing is truly fun. Even doing drugs and socializing is merely a means to an end and a distraction. Life on autopilot.

>>8375760
>AGP
>fetish

>>8376017
This. Also, see >>8376008
There's so many people out there that have spent years trying to find meaning, and have found nothing but misery.

>>8375760
What is the definition of AGP ? Really curious about it don't get why u would transition for a wierd fetish? And how do u get agp if that makes sense ?

>>8376132
AGP - Autogynephilia - Love of oneself as a woman.

It's more than just a fetish, as it shares common traits with transgender people, such as dysphoria.

>>8375986
i don't know why people are disagreeing with you.
all of this tumblr crap went away when i started studying and working seriously.
in the end i was left with a healthy attraction to both men and women.

>>8376142
Would u say it's a mental disability if it's more than a fetish ?

>>8376147
Because it doesn't go away for everyone. Been there, tried that. Awesome, you got lucky. Not everyone does.

>>8376149
Well, mental illness falls under the lines of transgender, not AGP. AGP is like a fetish taken too far. There is no cure.

>>8376158
Well that sucks and how is transgender a mental illness explain ?

>>8375968
>For moderate AGP, crossdreaming may be an option for you.
Wut. Crossdreaming is PC speak for AGP.

>>8376183
It's in the DSM, gender dysphoria. Nuff said.

>>8376186
Crossdreaming is essentially actively indulging in AGP, without transitioning.

>>8376191
Right well there for trans isn't a mental illness gender disphoria is nuff said

>>8376196
Triggered trans person detected.

>>8376183
>how is [homosexuality] a mental illness explain ?
>It's in the DSM, ... Nuff said.

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>>8376196
>you don't need gender dysphoria to be trans
kill you are self

>>8376208
Sometimes the DSM gets it wrong. Up until the point gender dysphroia AKA transgenderism is removed, it's a mental illness. (it won't be, unless someone finds the cause of transgenderism, which is most likely mental illness, we all know the studies are lacking on it being a birth defect)

If it is removed, I'll eat shit like all the homophobics did. But AGP is forever.

>>8376219
>Up until the point [homosexuality] is removed, it's a mental illness. (it won't be, unless someone finds the cause of [homosexuality], which is most likely mental illness, we all know the studies are lacking on it being a birth defect

>>8376152
nothing wrong in at least trying to get a life

>>8376220
And it's still not known why people are gay. There is no gay gene. However, being gay in itself does not cause altered mental states. Being transgender does, which is why it is in the DSM still.

>>8376238
>And it's still not known why people are gay.
Yet somehow it got removed anyway! Almost like it's completely arbitrary!

>There is no gay gene.
Most likely mental illness.

>>8376253
It got removed because the criteria for a mental illness is an altered mental state. Homosexuality was an error due to political forces. Gender Dysphoria was reviewed, and stays because it causes an altered mental state, unlike homosexuality which is an orientation, just like AGP.

>>8376216
Don't think you know what's going on I said trans wasn't a mental illness I never said you had to have dysphoria to be trans and no I won't kill myself should check your spelling before you try be a smart arse

>>8376269
Transsexuality is an error due to political forces.

>>8376276
The people that reviewed the DSM criteria for Gender Dysphoria were unbiased and found it fit, even in today's age where there is much trans awareness. If transsexuality isn't an illness, why does it need treatment? Hormones are a medicine to treat an illness. Homosexual people do not need to take anything, or change anything. They just live their life, as they are not ill.

>>8376284
>The people that reviewed the DSM criteria for Gender Dysphoria were unbiased
Proof.

>>8376288
I'm not a search engine. Google is your friend. Also, still haven't explained how hormones aren't a medicine to treat an illness yet.

>>8376284
It needs treatment so u can transition to the other sex and feminize the damage that pubity has done to the body

>>8376294
Well depends when you transitiond I guess

>>8376284
They were politically biased actually.

>>8376294
Treatment, because trans people are mentally ill.

You don't treat someone that's healthy.

Checkmate.

>>8376306
They used to be biased, but not anymore.
Technically, it's impossible to be unbiased, but peer review from many political backgrounds comes pretty damn close.

>>8376317
Actually they were more biased than they used to be. Maybe you aren't aware of it because of your own biases?

>>8376321
Well, that's all subjective bias on your part as well. If you want to talk technicalities, you are just as biased as I am. Believe what you want to believe, just be aware you're wrong.

>>8376309
You treat people with birth defects are you saying if you have a birth defect and what treatment and surgery you are mentally ill no check mate

>>8375968
>Do keep in mind you have the option of perma-boymode with low-dose HRT to keep you sane.
How about perma-boymode with full dose HRT to keep you sane and somewhat satisfied?

>>8376341
Want

>>8376342
In that case, you're transitioning.


>For moderate and or severe AGP, I'd reccomend either full repession until death, or transition.

>or transition.

Obviously, for an AGP transition should be a last resort. If it isn't, you're probably HSTS.

>>8376326
I don't know why you're throwing such a tantrum over having your biased pointed out.

>>8375760
AGP is hell. It really is.
Im so fucking done. Im 25 now, on and off hormones since 19, my gender dysphoria comes and goes. Sometimes, I feel like I can cope with it. Sometimes I want to get back on hormones so bad. I can't have a cis gf because of jealousy. ahhhhhh im tired of all this.
tfw I will never feel like trutrans and be passable
tfw dysphoria never goes away

Nothing seems to work.

Don't worry dear HSTS trutrannies, I would rather repress than to be a hon.

>>8375760
Just repress and try to never do anything sexual until it goes away.
I think I'm close.

>>8376341
There is exactly zero proof it is a birth defect, we can safely assume it is a mental disorder. The only differences that have been found are in the brain, i.e mental issues, and also lack substantially in terms of followup. You could just as easily cite the pimozide paper.

>>8376357
I'm not throwing a tantrum. I'm simply pointing out you have bias too. I think it is you that has a problem, not me. Peer reviewed papers trump anecdotal evidence.

>>8376368
Well put it this way if u had let's say a defect on your body / face and people were staring at it all day everyday and you didn't have a mental illness but they were looking and pointing at u do u not think you would defelop anxiety i.e mental illness

>>8376361
Indeed, AGP is hell. I'm a non-transitioning non-HRT AGP myself. Repression is the way to go, as long as you're absolutely certain you won't become a hon. Otherwise, low dose HRT or other outlet(s) is neccessary.

I wouldn't reccomend stopping and starting hotmones, take a consistant low dosage for mental stability if neccessary and repress if you can handle it.

If not, save up for cosmetic surgeries and go all the way. While you may not pass, with surgery and makeup and voice training anything is possible.

Unless you're a hon, then just join the hon community.

>>8376381
>I'm simply pointing out you have bias too.
I haven't given any opinions much less false evidence, so "I'm rubber you're glue" hardly applies here.

>I think it is you that has a problem, not me.
Where is this coming from?

>>8376394
Very true! But not everyone who has said birth defect gets said anxiety, while ALL trans people get dysphoria. Otherwise they'd be very minor AGP.

Anxiety is anxiety, not gender dysphoria. It is it's own class because it is a specific mental illness.

>>8376394
Therefore wanting to get surgery to remove/solve the problem ?

>>8376357
Not the guy you're talking to but you haven't proven he's biased, you're just saying "nuh-uh you're the biased one, checkmark"

>>8376399
>Actually they were more biased than they used to be
Proof? Your lack of self-awareness is showing.

You accuse others of having tantrums, when it is you that has the problem.

Not going to waste any more brain cells on a troll.

>>8376403
≥Anxiety is anxiety, not gender dysphoria
Yes I know it was a reference

>>8376415
Failed the green text lol

>>8376406
Like taking anti-depressants for a mental illness. It is a brain mismatch, not a deformed body. If the body was deformed, it would be intersex, not transgender.

>>8376410
In the end we all have bias. His arguments amount to strawmanning and taking things out of context.

Just ignore the troll he's been fed enough already.

>>8376413
I'm not a search engine. Google is your friend.

>>8376396
Lets just hope that we don't become a bruce jenner honster when we become 60 years old with children and wife.
btw, hrt makes you sterile. If you can't marry a women and have children anyways because of low does hrt in repression mode, why not just go all the way like HSTS? Thats just my opinion tho.
Ive been off hormones for 3 months but I still ejaculate crytal clear water when I masterbate.

>>8376269
>Homosexuality was an error due to political forces.
You haven't proven they're biased, you're just saying "nuh-uh you're the biased one, checkmark"

>>8376284
>The people that reviewed the DSM criteria for Gender Dysphoria were unbiased
You haven't proven they're unbiased, you're just saying "nuh-uh you're the biased one, checkmark"

>>8376356
>In that case, you're transitioning.
Yeah, but not socially.
What about being a perma-boymode twinkhon?

>>8376427
Children are only a concern for some people. Sperm banking is also, always an option.
Simply be honest with your partner, and all will be well (assuming they are okay with it, if not why are you with them?)

HRT is always a second last resort for AGPs, transition being the last resort with the additional need of socially transitioning, legally and all the other things that come with it.

For you, it is probably a good option to consider full transition. But for others, maybe not.

You need to make your choice and stick with it all the way, is the most important thing. If you choose to repress, repress until death. If you choose to take lowdose HRT, then continue taking lowdose HRT unless you feel transition is fully needed. If you need to transition, then transition.

>>8376431
Well, you'd probably be under nonbinary in that case. Nothing wrong with it at all, but you wouldn't really be AGP.

>>8376455
I have a strong case of anatomic AGP.
I'm fine with being a man I just want my body to be more feminine.
I will still identify as a man.
I was saying that I would have a twinkhon body, not the whole presentation.
And yes, I'm an AGP. The only reason I want to go on hormones is a strong anatomic AGP.

>>8376427
What is hsts ?

>>8376577
welcome to /tttt
HSTS means HomoSexual TransSexual
Its a termnoligy from Blanchard's transsexual typology where he defines two types of transexuals; HSTS and AGP(>>8376142)

>>8376427
Why would you want children anyway? It's incredibly selfish

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>>8375760
As a straight bio-male, but genderfluid bigender, the idea of becoming pregnant indicates I want to experience femininity, motherhood and willing to go thru the ups & downs of that experience.

saving agp thread!

>Literally everyone who wrote the DSM but Blanchard are biased Blanchard is pure and objective tho
Fucking morons.

>>8380812
What's her problem?

>>8380819
People who think the entire medical establishment is wrong and biased while their lone discredited charlatan isn't.

>>8380828
What a joker.

>>8380845
No jokes here. Believing in the typology nowadays is equivalent to being an anti-vaxxer, and requires the same elaborate conspiracy theories to explain why the professional class dismissed your views as pseudoscience.

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>>8380828
Muh medical establishment

>>8380870
Good to see you publicly admitting that you don't care about science, only about feelings.

>>8380875
Transgender "science" is the science of feelings.

>>8380879
Once again, thank you for admitting that you think this is about how you feel rather than the facts. The facts, though, are facts still. The cause of transsexuality is unknown, but sibling studies suggest an hereditary factor, just like in the case of homosexuality. What there is absolutely zero proof for is the convoluted quakery peddled by one Ray Blanchard.

>>8376021
I'm not even trying to find meaning or anything. Or maybe I am. Just get by, or want to exist or anything.

There is no future for me, I don't enjoy anything. Understanding how people live day to day is something I can't even do.

The only thing I want is to disappear or die.[spoiler] Or be a girl and have friends and a bf and a life and all that gay shit I fantasize about that is impossible and will never happen. I hate living. [/spoiler]

>>8380883
>The cause of transsexuality is unknown, but sibling studies suggest an hereditary factor
The same thing can be said about AGP
Also,
>Once again, thank you for admitting that you think this is about how you feel rather than the facts.
Saying things like this will not help your arguments, it only shows that you have emotional attachment to the other transgender theory.

>>8380897
>The same thing can be said about AGP
Ray Blanchard said AGP is not innate, but picked up through the environment. This is also why he argued that it could be cured. As such, no, under Blanchardianism that is not a possibility.

>Saying things like this will not help your arguments, it only shows that you have emotional attachment to the other transgender theory.
What other theory? I don't believe in any. We don't know the cause. I'm only repeating the facts - what we know for sure.

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>tfw AGP + gender dysphoria

end me

>>8380905
You're trans. Transition.

>>8380903
>Ray Blanchard said AGP is not innate, but picked up through the environment.
It might be. There are legit AGPs out there.
I have read Lawrence's book a couple years ago, so maybe I don't remember correctly, but I think she belives AGP is innate.
>What other theory? I don't believe in any. We don't know the cause. I'm only repeating the facts - what we know for sure
What do we "know" for sure? I've been reading about it and it all seems pretty vague. So does AGP, fair enough.

>>8380907
this

>>8380937
>>8380907
I could write an essay about why and how transition would never work for me but basically ti won't.


This is where I've been for a while, transition won't work. Nothing else I can think of is a solution and I don't want to be alive.

>>8380939
>I don't want to be alive.
Hey, you do you, girl.

>>8380929
>It might be.
Do you think that there are people who are innately into other fetishes too? If not, why? Since Blanchard believes AGP can be "cured" in children and young adults that makes AGP-as-an-orientation unique among orientations. You can't make a straight child gay or a gay child straight. On the other hand you can lose and acquire fetishes. AGP has all of the qualities of a fetish and has some that no other orientation has (curability, getting more intense over time, weakening upon fulfillment).

>There are legit AGPs out there.
I don't dispute the existence of the fetish. It is well-documented. I dispute the whole transsexual typology constructed around it.

>I have read Lawrence's book a couple years ago, so maybe I don't remember correctly, but I think she belives AGP is innate.
I haven't read more than a few pages of Lawrence's book so I can't comment.

>What do we "know" for sure?
Pretty much only that there is an hereditary factor, and that some non-dimorphic brain structures in people with GID are abnormal.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02567.x/abstract
This article has some speculations in it so watch out for that but is otherwise interesting.
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2005to2009/2006-atypical-gender-development.html

>>8380939
Just talk to someone irl. Immediately!

it gets better!

>>8380954
>Hereditary
Actually that might be the wrong word to use here since hormonal exposure is another potential factor. Hereditary and/or related to natal development.

>>8380954
>Blanchard believes AGP can be "cured" in children and young adults that makes AGP-as-an-orientation unique among orientations.
Well, AGP is heterosexuality with "erotic target location error.
It is more than a fetish, but not it's own sexuality either.
We could say it's in between, even though this is not very accurate, but just to make a point.
AGPs are heterosexuals. Most do like girls and don't have gender dysphoria, at least not early on.
They sometimes develop dysphoria if their AGP consumes them.

I'm an AGP myself. I had some very early signs of it, but it was ignorable.
My AGP only got strong when I started masturbating to porn regularly (mid puberty).

I'm not trying to justify the whole Blanchard's typology nor do I care much about it.

What I am saying is that AGP is this really strange thing that people do experience.
Also, many AGPs do end up transitioning, we can't deny this.

In conclusion, AGP is it's own thing and Blanchard's typology doesn't apply to anyone except AGPs.

>This article has some speculations in it so watch out for that but is otherwise interesting
I'll check them out.

>tfw REAL woman who will never be pregnant due to infertility

Stop trying to make it all about you and your disgusting fetish, tranny. Infertility is a real problem among women and you're making it worse by trying to steal the attention.

>>8380981
Okay, I hear you but
>AGP is heterosexuality with erotic target location error.
We don't even know if there's such a thing as an error of this sort.

>>8381028
>We don't even know if there's such a thing as an error of this sort.
We don't know, but it appears to be a thing, because AGPs are heterosexual.
I experience AGP almost exactly as Blanchard and Lawrence describe it.

I guess it's just a next level fetish. It is tougher to deal with and much more confusing. Also, it seems to be nearly impossible to "cure".

>>8380828
Medical establishment still considers genital mutilation a valid medical procedure so gonna have to side in the "medical establishment is not always right" camp