GAYS ARE FEMININE, PERIOD.

100% Agree, as a gay man who likes masculinity I act more masculine than I sometimes feel because I'm not attracted to fem guys and I don't want to be seen as a fem guy. I think most gays know this already.

>>8326141
I don't think it's because we're attracted to masculinity.
It's because we're socialised that way.
Straight men hide their effeminate qualities too.

Really get annoyed by gay guys like this. Why obesess over masculinity/femininity?

I find it quite backwards (IMHO) to restrict yourself to narrow categories like 'masculinity' or 'femininity' just because of your gender or sexual orientation.

>>8326141
I agree, even in masculine guys there is always something a little off, a hint of a lisp or the shape of the eyes
Part of me wonders are gay men just somewhat closeted trannies but don't feel enough dysphoria to actually transition and are fine being effeminate gay men instead, keeping their penises etc.
Interesting to think about.

>>8326141
End yourself if you think that femininity is inherent in gay guys, or that your entire personality should be based around the fact you suck cocks or take it up the ass.
>>8326366
You can kill yourself too for thinking homosexual = transgender.

>>8326366
more like trannies are just delusional effeminate gay men who pump themselves with estrogen. it allows them to act as fem as they want and there's no worry your partners will find it a turn off, instead their feminity becomes desirable rather than a turn off.

>>8326369
>femininity is inherent in gay guys
it most definitely is

>>8326141
i definitely feel the same way too, gay men even move feminine, something about how they arch their back and move their arms. it's like they're practicing having sex subconsciously

>>8326248
i agree that that's a big part of it, but also just think about how many gay guys would never date a fem. is there anything that's more of a turnoff to most gay guys than too much femininity?

I'm still shook valentina went home like that. I WAS ROOTING FOR YOU! HOW DARE YOU?

>>8326525
>rooting for a basic latinxxxxx ho

>>8326141
love the guy in the stripped shirt getting his jush at the start of the lip sync

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>>8326525
Go to bed Balentina

>>8326141
I would fuck all of them.

>>8326620
Same, don't even care if they are lisping queers, still hot.

>>8326141
You may very well have a point, but "look at these gay men at this gay bar watching a drag show and acting fem" is not really evidence of your claim.

I can just counter it by saying that all the masculine gay men are at home watching sports with their bros.

>>8326366

other way around.

trannies realize that they'll never be real men so they transition to women so that their feminine qualities are normalized. no better way to excuse yourself for not being a man than to claim you never were one in the first place.

>>8326870
sounds like a plan

>>8326366
I have literally never been suspected as gay. I don't try to act masculine. I have never been interested in sports, and am just a skinny dude. I didn't even pretend like I was into girls in high school. Never participated in talk about who was hot with my friends. And still nobody ever suspected I was gay.

Nothing is a little off with me. I've just never not been considered "one of the guys".

>>8326141
Gay men have feminized brains. This is a fact. They're basically demi-women.

>>8326455
Yeah. Being fat, being skinny, being bald, being ugly, wearing ugly clothes, bad hygiene, bad teeth, conservative views.... the list could go on.
I personally don't care if a guy is femme as long as he's hot and interesting.
In fact I'm massively turned off if a guy likes football (soccer for you yanks), or plays video games, or likes other dumb typical straight shit.

>>8326927
same here.
I'm not fem or masc.. just boring.

>>8326141
At least they seem happy

#Valentinaforallstars3

>>8326394
Are you sure you aren't just attracted to gay men?

Because I've never looked at a gay dude and thought 'gee they look like SEX'.

>>8326366
I partially agree with you.
Based on my "observations", I have come to assume that there exist "male" and "female" thought patterns.
A number of those "thought patterns" compose individual's "psyche".
The psyche can't be composed of "one gendered thought patterns" because the individual would be too extreme: e.g. 100% "male brain" would be competitive, aggressive and logical all the time and 100% "female brain" would be emotional and passive all the time, which would make individual unfit for survival, in the modern society at least.
Now, depending on the "gender composition of psyche", in relation to biological gender, I assume that "degree of transgenderism" exists.
I would describe the degree of transgenderism as "Percentage of thought patterns in persons' psyche whose gender doesn't fit the biological gender of the individual".
If the degree of transgenderism is low, person is straight, if it's moderate, person is gay and if it's high, person will identify as actually transgender.
I haven't been able to explain bisexuals in this manner, but I assume that they have stronger libido (which falls into "male thought patterns" category).

Now, this is just my opinion, based only on my observations which aren't scientific at all. I've just looked at how people around me behaved and how they looked. For example, bisexual men were usually very masculine, bisexual women were usually more masculine than straight women, gay men are obviously more feminine.

Also, I've been analyzing so to say my thoughts and I have concluded that I want to fulfill traditionally female role in the relationship with another man, but without actually being uncomfortable in my body and without wanting to actually be treated like a woman.

It's probably not even a correct "theory". I know I said it before and I'll say it again, these are just my opinions on the subject and I don't claim that it's the truth. I would appreciate constructive criticism in the replies.

>>8326939
Most gays I know like video games.

Of course most gays are somewhat feminine, just like blacks are more likely to be thugs. It's just polite (see also: politically correct, bluepill, marxist etc...) to refrain from assuming that a stereotype is true until proven otherwise. Is this really controversial?

>>8327118
so do most straights.
video games are a generational thing.
i don't think they have anything to do with sexual orientation.

>>8326939
>sports and video games are for straight people
HURRR, DURRR

>>8327131
>blacks are more likely to be thugs
???
i know this is bait but please refrain.
it doesn't add anything to the conversation.

Which is why i became a tranny but kept my big Dick. Now you can tell me all you want that guys who like trannies arent straight, idc what they are, what i know for sure is that even when they wanna get plowed by a dickgirl they still lack the repulsive femininity/gayface of regular gay men

>>8327149
Why do trannies even make threads explicitly about gays about them?

Are any of you capable of making a post without including yourselves?

>>8327118
>>8327145
You know losers.
I don't think I've ever been to a fags house and seen a video game and I've been to hundreds.
Video games are for children and man children.

That being said I'm really bored these days so I might get an Xbox to play skyrim.

>>8327145
Not all sports.
Tennis, rugby, sailing etc aren't for straight men.
It's just the brainlessness of football that is.

>>8327149
Lmfao.

>>8327148
That's actually true though, Anon. It's a cultural thing. If a black teenager doesn't act "thug" (as advertised on MTV, BET, etc) then he is accused of acting white.

>>8327170
Leave the dickgirl alone, she's funny.

>>8327177
So you're arguing gay men are more feminine because it's a cultural thing?

>>8327184
Yes, gay men are under similar pressure to meet the expectations set for them by media. This is why gays purposefully put on the gay lisp.

>>8327177
>all blacks act the same

you need to get out more

>>8327198
Yeah, that's not what I said. :|

>>8327175
>I don't think I've ever been to a fags house and seen a video game and I've been to hundreds.
You don't see my video games either unless you get on my steam account.

At any rate, I'm sure their hobbies are all productive and contribute to self development and society.

>>8327193
This is bullshit. Why would closeted gay kids make themselves act more feminine to attract ridicule? Kids have killed themselves because they're perceived as gay for being feminine. Why wouldn't they just turn it off?

>>8327193
Untrue. If anything they try really hard to supress it. 80% of kids who go to speech therapy turn out gay

>>8327224
You will never get a satisfactory argument from an idiot.
All you're going to do is get upset and they will stupidly continue to assume they are correct.
The best thing to do is just laugh at how stupid they are and move on with your life.

>>8327224
>>8327232
Who said anything about being closeted or being a kid? Obviously those circumstances change the landscape.

I'm talking about openly gay adult men who do not conform to the media stereotype of a homosexual, and are often seen by the gay men who DO fit that stereotype as "Straight Acting" if they don't make an effort to be more effeminate.

>>8327241
There is no need to be upset.

>>8327246
>don't get upset while I move my goalpost so that my argument seems less stupid
lol

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>>8327224
>Why wouldn't they just turn it off?
It isn't something they are aware of, at first, and it feels natural.
Turning it off feels unnatural and is difficult to maintain.
I was born a feminine, faggy kid and I forced myself to act masculine and by college nobody knew I was gay but me.
Now my life is pretty easy because gay guys love me and seek me out for sex because I act straight.
But inside I still feel like the little faggy kid I used to be.
Fortunately, that little faggy kid has a big hairy muscular man to protect him (me).

>>8327261
I never moved any goalposts. Words were put in my mouth for me by the two Anons.

>>8327246
>Who said anything about being closeted or being a kid?
Those kids exist, which directly contradicts your theory it's just cultural. If all of ones pressure from their peer groups are for one way and they go the other, there's something innate there.

>>8327271
>im just going to pretend closeted gay kids don't grow into gay men and that the two are somehow completely separate entities since that's the only way my argument makes sense
lol

>>8327170
Im still a gay men living life as female. I dont believe im an actual woman

>>8327273
Effeminate straight kids exist too, bro.

I'm not saying a gay guy being effeminate is ALWAYS the result of expectations set by media stereotype. I'm also not saying a black guy being a "thug" is ALWAYS about that. But it is relevant.

>>8327282
>"I'm just going to assign an absurdist position to you, because *I* think that's what you really meant to say!"

okay Anon! good talking to you. now piss off if you have no real ideas to contribute.

There are straight men, real ones, who are more confident in their masculinity than this. Think about that.

>>8327323
You're placing more emphasis on the media than peer groups. That's why I contest your argument so much.

>>8327329
Is that why what have to publicly announce to everyone the women they want to fuck and why no homo came about?

I was inadvertently outed to some friends because I didn't want to go to a crappy strip club on a weekday. Apparently the reason ONLY AND SINGLE reason to not go to one is that you're criminally gay. The moment someone mentions going to one you have to be prepared to throw away at least 20 bucks because nobody questions going to one.

How is that confidence?

Tfw no cute gay friends to watch drag race with

>>8327358
Just go to your local gay bar on Friday night.
Most of them play Drag Race and are filled with cute gay guys looking for friends.

>>8327323
>they will stupidly continue to assume they are correct
lol, at least I didn't get upset.

>>8327356
They were right though weren't they?

>>8327356
That was his point. That the bar is so low and this is even lower

>>8327356
I always thought the straight guys who went to strip clubs were gross until I realized I would actually enjoy going to a gay strip club and having a hot guy give me a lap dance.. I mean I wouldn't want to make it a regular thing.. but I gotta admit that I was being a bit hypocritical in my judgement.

>>8327220
Trust me they don't play video games.

>>8327224
He's retarded.

>>8327323
It isn't relevant you twat.
Effeminate gay men, unlike you just love themselves and have the confidence to not hide who they are.
Get therapy

Someone should link this thread in mascgen to trigger them

>>8327472
>Trust me they don't play video games.
Again, what do they do with their non-working time that's better?

Tfw masc4mascara and no one gets you soyoufeel out of place. I just want a nice trannylike femboy with a little feminine penis

>>8327521
get on 4chan, apparently.

you do not have to be defined by these narrow definitions of feminine and masculine. Nobody is fully either.

just fucking live your life and don't let that kind of shit bother you

>>8327521
gardening, cooking, drag, interior design, weightlifting, sex
just to name a few

video games are literally obese-tier

>>8327544
so is 4chan, fatty.

actually, its much much worse...

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>>8327544
>"STOP ENJOYING ACTIVITIES I DO NOT ENJOY"

>>8327521
See >>8327544

>>8327473
Lmao yes

I wanna fuck the "yes bitch Nina" and the "youre fired" guys

>>8327544
All of those can be done by people who also enjoy playing video games.

I bet they all watch tv and movies on top of that.

- People actually enjoy this degenerate show
Disgusting tbqh

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>>8328024
>degenerate

I mean they can't even say "fuck" without it getting bleeped.
It is completely vanilla.
Your idea of what constitutes 'degenerate' is literally retarded.

Stupid fem faggots disgust me.

>>8326620

Also this

>>8328128
So you fuck people youre disgusted by?

Gays are gay, period

How can i find love beingsmall and feminine without transitioning or giving my ass to old daddies?

>>8326374
>it allows them to act as fem as they want and there's no worry your partners will find it a turn off, instead their feminity becomes desirable rather than a turn off.

thank you for rationalising my transition for me :^)

>>8328619
become my bf

>>8328769
Except there's a twist, as it turns out the guys who are into you still crave a huge dick to go with your girly body/personalit

>>8328789
Nah, my bf is drag showing watching, makeup wearing gold-star top, but nice try though

>inb4 he sees me as a man
I don't care, he treats me right.

>>8328619
Just go femboy mode and take hrt but stay boymode, that's what I'm doing

>>8328820
Youre not a femboy if you're on hrt, you're a tranny just in the closet about it.

>>8328820
>>8328828
It's really important that people understand that "femboy" refers only to naturally effeminate young men.

If you're on hrt, you do NOT qualify as a femboy, period.

>>8328828
I don't plan on ever removing my penis though.

Tfw i will never say amen out loud with a bunch of buddies when ru asks for it

>>8326141
Define feminine. Indians, Hispanics living in Central and South America, and Arabs tend to have a few behaviors that would be considered feminine in Europe but not in their own culture.

>>8330054
dont play dumb. you know exactly what he means

>>8328854
Transsexualism isn't a requirement of transgenderism you dingus.

>>8328619
By giving your ass to me. Twink on twink is the only truly pure love out there.

But I'm more of a bottom myself so hopefully you like oral.

>>8326141

This is because gay rights fags insist on blurring the natural direction of language and insist the same word be used to describe a man who occassionally uses a fag to fags themselves. They have this narrative that passive homosexual men, a smaller percentage, are the same as the general male who would fuck a snake if someone held it straight and they could claim to be drunk.

The idea is that since the distinguishing factor between gay men and straights is the gender of who they are attracted to, then its a simple difference of some imaginary sexual polarity built into some mysterious gene. Its not, its a lot more elaborate and nuanced. Its not just a matter of a boner magically pointing south instead of north.

This is an attempt to inflate numbers of the minority and present generally normal males, even those in a heterosexual life as being 'the same'.

No country outside the modern West lumps passive homosexuals into the same group as men who use them for sex. While it is understood to be a vice and perversion for both, the male that likes sticking his dick into anything pretty is not included as being the exact same as males who are passively attracted to stronger males. One is seen as the vice-causing corruptor, the other is seen as the vice-indulging corruptible. But they dont see them as the same thing. Otherwise it would be like claiming both the prostitute and her trick are both prostitutes.

In the West where homosexuals have no institutional role as servants, labor or soldiers, they simply wander around being told they are the same as breeding males and naturally try to behave accordingly. They are given a false choice between acting like queens, trying to blend in, or staying in the closet, none of which pleases everyone.

The language is deliberately pulled away from natural instinct to use different terms to mean different things. Most homosex occurs between homosexual males; but most men who have had homosexual experiences are not 'gay'...

>>8331753

This is the point of insecurity where people fight to push a world view about who belongs to which label and why and it occurs on both sides. Straights like to use it to enforce a sense of purity and chastity from homosex, which is all being straight really means anymore, the moral associations long since having been obliterated. Gays like to enforce this notion to glom onto the normal image of males who use other males, even once, and inflate their numbers. They both treat it like a contact disease that is a lifelong infection.

And further. much of this comes from males withdrawing from their own power and allowing others to define them. Before the era of feminism, homosexuality among men was a male matter, not a public one. As it became more open, so did the need to publicly attack it and defend ones image. Male nudity in simple innocuous settings was not such a point of social tension.

As long as 'gay' is a political term, I dont see it changing. The term bisexual challenged and challenges a lot of the root premises about how sexuality is supposed to work and most people shrug off all the contradictions and simply include it as a 'type' of 'gay'.

Ultimately, as I've always said, the biggest myth ever sold about sexual identity is that you have to have one. The more you argue about what someone is or isn't, the more you realize that no one really cares what you do in your personal life. But they damn sure care if you agree with their interpretation of it or not.

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>>8331753
>>8331757
>a false choice between acting like queens, trying to blend in, or staying in the closet, none of which pleases everyone.

>the biggest myth ever sold about sexual identity is that you have to have one.

That was very, very enlightening. Thank you for improving this thread.

>>8326141
Change this to gay men being more feminine because of gay culture and I would agree with you.

>>8326141
I have some feminine habits/behaviors/interests, but it doesn't mean I'm stuck in the prissy girl box. Why care about gender roles for heteros when you exist outside that system?

Act the way you want to act. The horde of manly men looking down on you for your secret faggotisms only exists in your imagination, in reality no one matches the masculine ideal quite like you think. Just because we're not afraid to deviate from it a little more than the average doesn't mean there's anything wrong with that.

We're unnatural to straights because we like dick. We have our own standard of normal, why are you stuck to the one you were raised with?

>>8331753
I don't even see how the crux of your argument is true. Gay rights advocates have been insisting for years that self-identified sexuality options be added to the census to get an accurate figure of gay men in the US. (Which would be great for data reasons but we'll probably only see it 2 censuses from now if ever)

That fact conflicts with the idea they're trying to force other people into the gay identity.

It sorta seems like you're just vomiting large paragraphs to cover up your faulty premise.

>>8331838
>We're unnatural to straights because we like dick
the funny thing is that straight guys like dick too. there's a reason large cocks are a huge draw in porn, and lets not even get into the shemale industry

>>8331835
The question then becomes, why do they find gay culture attractive in the first place? Maybe they are innately feminine, thus attracted to feminine things.

>>8331835
What? most gay men start acting effeminate/gender non-conforming before they know what gay is let alone gay culture

>>8327055
I think mostly the same thing, except I would say bisexuality is somewhere between straight and gay, and isn't tied to libido or anything. So the order would be:

straight -- bi (with straight leanings) -- true bi -- bi (with gay leanings) -- gay -- trans

Admittedly this doesn't explain trans people who are gay or bi, which is why people will be quick to point out that gender identity =/= sexual orientation, but even though there are exceptions to the rule, I do think gender identity and sexual orientation are connected somehow. Not the exact same thing, but there's definitely some overlap.

I say this because of my personal experience. As a child, I would often times catch myself having very feminine thoughts, despite assuming that I must be masculine because, well, I'm a dude, right? And I would ponder about this, and hypothesize that I had a "female brain". After puberty, I realized I was attracted to other men, so I assumed I just had feminine thoughts because I was gay, and that was that. But now I wonder if I'm trans. I had always assumed what we now call "transgender" or "gender identity" was what being gay was. Obviously not every gay man is hyper-feminine, but there's still some subtle feminine traits in there somewhere, right?

I don't have any desire to transition at all, but a part of me... wonders if I'd have been happier if I was born a woman.

>>8332016
I didn't knew being gay involved being feminine untill BS shows like will & grace aired.

>>8332005
Because gay men aren't exactly able to talk about their love interrests with straight men so the only options that are left is talking to woman and/or conforming to the stereotype of the gay scene or you won't fit in there as well.

>>8333147
I and many others started feeling more confortable hanging out with girls long before having crushes on men

>>8326369
Found the closeted gay

>>8333177
When I was a kid I jumped over ditches, played N64 games with friends and went to garbage dumps to look for bycicles that were in decent enough shape to ride with and break the fans out of computers and have them run on battery.

Didn't really change during puberty beside having some identity issues with what the media portrayed of what a gay man was vs how I was and my sexual orientation. To each their own I guess.

>>8327266
don't you feel a certain amount of self hatred when you see gay men who are outgoing, feminine, and confident.

>>8333221
I was this, but until puberty my social groups were mixed sex and the girls would smash glass bottles as gleefully as boys... Everything got weird after puberty though, heteronormativity a shit

>>8334793
How did it change after puberty?

>>8334850
girls got clique`
guys got creepy

>>8327055
>>8332119
>>8326366
This is some grade A broscience from the crazy board. You people make /pol/ look tame sometimes with your armchair lunatic ravings.

>>8335163
Specifics?

>>8326141
But every man, gay or straight, has some feminine habits. Nobody is completely feminine or masculine

>>8326141
I'm a gay guy. I think I let myself do whatever I want without worrying about how others might perceive of me. So I checked out drag queens and that shit just ain't for me. It's not because I think it's feminine or below me, it's just ain't for me because it's boring to me.

how do I stop myself from being feminine?

>>8336765
You can't.

>>8336765
therapy

>>8336765
You start HRT as soon as possible.