Extreme AGP

>>8323824
Just transition.

Just do it

>>8323824
Yeah agp sucks. I'm the same way as you and it's like taken over my entire sexuality. Everyone always says it will just get worse and only transitioning stops it though.

>>8323837
Exactly. I'm a full agp, I don't really fantasize about anything else, almost.
I'm still young (19) and I think I would pass ok.
But, are there any reasons not to do it?

>>8323830
>>8323833
Lol, are you guys meming me into it?
This board is so rich with tranny community that encourages others to become trannies.
I love it.

>>8323866
So don't do it and suffer for another six years and do it when you're 25 and a hon and want to kill yourself everyday because /lgbt/ didn't exist when you were 19 to tell you what the future has in store. Your choice of course

>>8323882
Ok, I get the point. Very reasonable. That's why I'm thinking about self-medding because I can't get hormones fast legally.
Are there any agps that didn't transition and they found a solution how to deal with it?

>>8323892
There is no solution.... You'll never stop fapping to it or fantasizing about it even if you don't look at porn.
If it's at the point it's affecting your sex life you're pretty much fucked. If you think you can handle it for the rest of your life and are okay masculinizing than perhaps you're just a crossdresser or something

>>8323866
What answer do you want? "No, don't do it?" Then you'd be saying "but I really like it!"

>>8323905
this

you're just begging for someone to tell you to do it even though you pretend to fight against it. it's agp starter kit

>>8323824

Not transitioning or deciding to repress as an AGP isn't worth it.

See http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8150594/#8154138 and her follow-up posts.

It's better to transition as soon as possible, especially as an AGP.

>>8323902
I'm not ok with it. Crossdressing is not enough. I want to have a feminine body. All of it. No srs for a while is still ok.
Again, I'm not just a crossdresser, I said EXTREME AGP.
>>8323905
But I really do like it.
>>8323913
I don't even know myself anymore.
This thread was started as a post-orgasm regret. 5 minutes later, the regret is already gone, agp remains.

Should I come out to my parents as an agp?
They really don't buy into the "trannies are real women" idea.
If I explain my agp with honesty and reason, maybe they will support me.
They're not too keen on lgbt rights, btw.
They are atheists tho.

>>8323946
AGP is tough to explain to people because they don't understand how fapping to stuff like transformation erotica manifests from transgenderism.

>>8323920
I guess. I've been suppressing it for a really long time and it's only gotten worse. I wanted to transition since I discovered about it, so almost before puberty.

I still have my guy ego, and I'm somewhat ashamed of all of this. Transition will be painful.

>>8323824
Childhood AGP has been recorded before.

What do you mean a romantic need to be a woman?

It may be possible to stop wanting to transition by integrating AGP into your regular life. Crossdressing lots, having a boyfriend or girlfriend who is understanding, not forcing yourself to be masculine in everyday life, that sort of thing.

>>8323959
I think this is the best way to come out to my parents. I can explain how it has been with me my whole life and how I'm gonna be miserable forever if I don't do it.

It avoids "I'm a woman, trannies are real women" topic which they hate.
I'm hoping that reason, honesty and compassion will prevail.

>>8323946
>>8323971
Don't feel shame. My theory is that repression and shame over AGP cause it to become more dysphoric, while accepting it as just the way you get off leads to normalizing it and prevents it being something that wants massive changes like transition.

>>8323981
Interesting idea. I've never been much into crossdressing, I want the whole package. My agp focuses on physical features.
By romantic need I mean, I feel really warm on the inside when I think of myself as a pretty lady. It feels like being in love and fantasizing about a real girl.

>>8323981
This is what I did. I told the guy I was seeing about all the messed up shit I fapped to about transforming into girls, crossdressing, etc. and he seemed just fine with it. But I still started taking hormones cause I wasn't quite happy, but I'm still not fully transitioning yet.

>>8323995
i mean, the repression and shame over it is what keeps you from transitioning imo.

>>8323995
AGP manifests from transgenderism, not the other way around.

>>8323995
I shouldn't be ashamed, thank you.
However, I think this wouldn't work. If I get casual and confident about it I'll just be like " fuck it, I'm gonna transition.
>>8324007
Can you please tell me more about your transition? How long have you been on hormones? What dosage do you take? What are your goals? How do you present in public?

>>8324012
Obviously. Yeah, when I think about it, that is the only thing keeping me from doing it.
>>8324018
Care to explain?

>>8324033
I haven't been on hormones long. I took spiro a few years ago but stopped once I noticed gyno. I think I started about 5 months ago, I take 100mg spiro and 2mg estrogen. In public I am still a normal guy. I doubt I'd pass until I get my beard fully removed. I still crossdress in private a lot.
I don't know what my goals are. Honestly I just got so fed up by agp basically wrecking my relationship and sex life that I just gave up. I honestly don't know how I am going to survive in life if the feelings don't go away.

>>8323824
>My agp is so huge that I also feel the "romantic" need to be a woman. No joke.

When I was 12, I realized that I had never actually fapped from the male perspective. I tried, for two hours, to become aroused by the thought of fucking this girl in my history class. I couldn't come or even remain erect until I gave up and imagined that I was in her position.
A few years later, I crushed on this effeminate boy who was in all of my classes. But I couldn't do anything with gay porn, so I was confused as to what I was supposed to be. I also couldn't picture my body in a sexual context, especially as it became hairy and oily.

He told me once, between classes when no one else was around, that I had a good skeleton for crossdressing. I was really touched by that, in a way that has only recently made sense to me. I think that's why I never really got over him.

As I aged, my life became this game where I tried to convince everyone in my life that I wanted to live it while trying to escape to something I'd never fully conceived. I left for college, failed classes, discovered weed, and moved back home after academic expulsion.

I found /lgbt, got memed into trying hormones, finished an AS in a STEM subject from a community college and now I'm transferring to a real school.

I feel like I have an actual stake in the outcome of my decisions. My body might get to a state where I won't hate people seeing it so much, which could mean not dying alone.

You should at least try it, if you're thinking like this.

>>8324057
What do you mean at least try it?
I'm either gonna do it or not.

Really nice story, very relatable. I'm a total failiure right now. Maybe transition will motivate me to make more money and do something with my life.

Are you on hormones right now? How do you live?
>>8324056
Wow. I'm planning to self-med exactly like that. I'm gonna live as a guy for a while. It's kinda of risky and everything, but I just feel like I don't have any choice.
I don't care about identity, all I want is a feminine body.

>>8324018
[citation needed]

>>8324075
>Wow. I'm planning to self-med exactly like that. I'm gonna live as a guy for a while. It's kinda of risky and everything, but I just feel like I don't have any choice.
Yeah I'm honestly not sure how I'm going to hide tits forever lol
Plus people already comment on how I remove body hair all the time so it's kind of annoying that even such simple things raise red flags with others. But yeah my life has always been somewhat of a disaster and I've never had the motivation to do anything, I just get super depressed and don't give a shit about anything.
Being on hormones has been nice but ultimately I always get depressed in that to fully transition I'd need a ton of money for stuff like FFS and getting rid of my adams apple. Plus I still haven't told a lot of people other than the guy I'm seeing. I just think the only way I'd be able to do it is just moving far away and starting over cause I'm sure most people are going to hate me for transitioning. Like I haven't even told most of my family that I've been seeing a guy.

>>8323971

That's cool. I'm not sure I've seen any other AGPs who explicitly stated that they wanted to transition before puberty, though in my case it was many years before puberty.

Anyway, the fact you recognize that it's gotten worse means you should do it. Because it never gets better on its own. It just keeps getting worse without hormonal intervention.

>>8323986

>implying there's any compassion in their hearts if they hate trannies, regardless of the reason for it

You're going to shoot yourself in the foot if you tell them you're AGP. Just ask Trent what his stupidity has done to the board. Blanchard's typology, true or not, does more harm than it does good.

>>8324130
>That's cool. I'm not sure I've seen any other AGPs who explicitly stated that they wanted to transition before puberty, though in my case it was many years before puberty.
I had thoughts of wanting to be a girl before puberty. Even a lot of my family remembers me asking to be a girl. But everyone just thought I was joking ;_;

>>8324130
>Just ask Trent what his stupidity has done to the board. Blanchard's typology, true or not, does more harm than it does good.
What harm has it done here?

>>8324112
That's crazy. I'm also a mess.
No college, currently unemployed. I will start my 6 month job soon.
I have a plan to start a small business, but I need to invest money that I want to spend on hrt.

What I worry about most is:
> if I come out to my parents and they reject it, I will not be able to hide my hrt body changes
> if I don't I will have much more success with it
The thing is that I still need some support from a close person. All that hiding might create some anxiety in me.

>>8324130
I wanted to do it before puberty, I just didn't know it was possible.

They don't hate trannies, they just don't know about them and think they're freaks. They don't get it, so they will try to convince their son to conform to their ideal, thinking that this is the best for him, unlike the path of "freakness".
How do I tell them I'm a real woman when I don't belive it either?
It's all complicated.

>>8324152
I've told most of my friends I'm gay but in reality I've only ever gotten off to imagining myself as a girl. So basically I do just fine bottoming but honestly I couldn't top anyone if my life depended on it, I don't think I've ever fantasized about it even slightly. I haven't told the majority of my family that I'm gay though.
The only person I've told any of my agp thoughts to is my bf right now, but I've known him for years and we've had sex lots before. He's pretty much the only person I can talk to about sex stuff and he had no clue wtf I was talking about when I was describing my agp shit. I don't think he fully understands how much of an obsession it becomes. Like it meant nothing to him despite it being a huge nervous breakdown for me. What's funny is he never even really noticed my puffy nipples or anything until I actually mentioned it to him lol

>>8324075
I'm living with my parents for a few more days, then I'll go away for a paid summer internship, then I'll be at my university.
I'm on hormones but I'm not out to anyone besides my sister. I'm not concerned that they won't accept me, just that I will hurt my dad by coming out as I am his only son.

>>8324186
I'm also a pure bot. However, I would love to date a woman, make out and cuddle with her. We can have sex on our own, but the real magic is to share men. Many guys would love to fuk a tranny and a girl in a threesome.
That's my dream, a gf/wife and sharing dominant men with her.

What's gonna happen when your puffy nipples turn into real boobies?
I'm really curious about this because it's something I plan to hide myself.

>>8324225
>What's gonna happen when your puffy nipples turn into real boobies?
To be honest I have no real plans on what to do... I guess I could wear a sports bra but I'm honestly just hoping for a miracle to happen and somehow my life just self-corrects and everything works out lmao

>>8324200
I guess my parents will accept me too. They will be really shocked and dissapointed. I'm their only son aswell.

I'm really wondering for how long will I be able to hide hrt from them. At what point is it too much...

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>>8323824
>>8323830
>>8323833
>>8323837
>>8323848
>>8323920
>>8324057


If you are
>asian
>under 5'7
>younger than 17
>neotenous face
>small frame
>Woman's shoe size under 8
>small hands

Yes you should transition.
Otherwise, you will become a Bruce Jenner hon.
Only cute asian bois can become a kawai trap desu.

>>8324235
That's honestly the best plan.
I have to do it that way, otherwise it's just not gonna happen.

>>8324249
Well it's not much of a plan lol
I really want to start my own business as well just because I think it would honestly make transitioning a lot easier. It's really hard to get a career going with all this shit. Between the depression and trying to keep up good appearances at work it's just a dead end.

>>8324247
I'm
>5'8
>white
>19
>already look like a lesbian
>hands not small per se, but my mom said multiple times they look girly
>sort of small frame
>shoes a little smaller than average guys

>>8324257
It's an action plan. This way you light fire under your feet and that keeps you going, instead of being a lazy, self-hating agp masturbator.

>>8324182
>How do I tell them I'm a real woman when I don't belive it either?
Use a different definition of woman. Say you want to live as a woman or some other wording that applies to both your AGP and to cis women.

>>8324225
>I would love to date a woman, make out and cuddle with her. We can have sex on our own, but the real magic is to share men. Many guys would love to fuk a tranny and a girl in a threesome.
>That's my dream, a gf/wife and sharing dominant men with her.
The AGP dream.

>>8324136

My father caught me praying to wake up as a girl and he didn't do anything (though I didn't know he had seen me and he didn't mention it until I was talking about that memory to him only a short while ago). Asshole.

>>8324147

See:
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7905775/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8231615

He thinks he brought the typology to /lgbt/, but really he was just the first person to truly evangelize it. He's not even the first person to link to Kay Brown's blog.

>>8324182

You can convey to them that you have suffered for all these years that you've repressed your desire to live as a woman. If your parents arrived at atheism through any logical process, they should recognize that the reason a man would decide he wants to live as a woman does not matter at all if the difference between not doing it and doing it is involuntary celibacy, addiction, dropping out, anxiety, depression, and suicide and a normal life. Really hit it home to them that what matters is the outcome and leave knowing the reason for why it's like this can be left for scientists who have the technology to really know decades or centuries from now.

>>8324247

Likely anyone who is 13 or under, excluding cases of precocious puberty, can do just fine regardless of race. Most at 14 will be fine too. Fifteen is where some effort will need to be put in, but you still have a good shot.

Regardless of passability, HRT should be something everyone who wants to transition should do even if they know they'll never pass. It helps a lot with mood.

>>8324242
I'm wondering the same thing, sort of.
My internship is in the deep south and it will look weird to wear as much as it takes to hide my boobs, if I don't sweat through the whole mess.
I might avoid a profile with a bralette, which would show through with enough moisture. If I don't though, then they might get a really clear view, which would be odd among other things.

>>8324334
Evangelizing the typology is a good thing.

>>8324359

This is the part where I ask you what good has it done? The only people with interest in it are eggheads and bigots who wield it as a weapon.

>>8324328
>>8324334
Great plan.
I will tell them that I want to live as a woman because I've suffered all these years. They will belive it because they know something is off about me, but they can't tell what. My whole life has been a misery for various reasons.
I will start crying and everything.
They do love me, so I hope they will accept me.

>>8324349
It really depends how big your boobs get. They're not as obvious as you think. Even though I can personally notice them in t-shirts others don't seem to

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>>8324264
>5'8
okay not too tall for a white girl
>white
>19
your hip bones fuse around 23 so you should get hrt asap
>already look like a lesbian
kek, okie
>hands not small per se, but my mom said multiple times they look girly
not small= not girly
>sort of small frame
does your shoulder pass as a grill when you wear sphaghetti straps? Your hips can grow but your shoulders won't shrink. If you have a twinkhon shoulder, I have bad news for you.
>shoes a little smaller than average guys
guy sizes are bigger than grills sizes.

>>8324370
Enabled people to make better informed decisions.

>>8324370
It saved me from repressing and becoming a turbo hon at 40

>>8324370
The typology seems the most correct, it's just worded in a mean way that hurts people's feefees

>>8324412
Decisions based on Blanchard's typology are not well informed. Psychology is not real science and you should not listen to psychologists.

>>8324441
And you say that why?

>>8324412
>>8324426

Tell me what you seriously think would happen if everyone in the world knew Blanchard's typology. All the people who now know they're AGP and should transition will be newly blocked by the cis people who just see them as fetishists. HSTS, at least as Trent believes it works, will not be bullied into transitioning, and will likely be forced to remain gay people. There is no net gain from it.

What aspect of the typology allows an AGP to make a more informed decision to transition? How do you explain AGPs who are instead forced back into thinking of themselves as male fetishists because of it?

>>8324406
My hands are small actually. Not in lenght, but they are thin and girly. Idk how to explain, they're not much bigger than girl hands.
Shoulders are on the edge.
I guess I do have man feet.

Who cares, standards of passing are not that ridiculously high for normal people.

>>8324453
>the cis people who just see them as fetishists
Not if everyone knows the typology.

>and will likely be forced to remain gay people.
Not if everyone knows the typology.

>How do you explain AGPs who are instead forced back into thinking of themselves as male fetishists because of it?
Like whom?

>>8324453
Part of the fetish is fetishing the transition process, hence why so much erotica focuses on the actual transformation from a guy to a girl. So really it's not going to hold people back if they know the truth of why they have the fetish.
If people know they have that fetish due to being trans they'll simply transition and then be happy. The fact that they're ashamed of having the fetish isn't a huge deal cause at least they know it'll go away via transitioning.

>>8324452
The first one, because the association of actual medical doctors who work with trans people have rejected the typology as pseudoscience (it is).

The second, because I have significant and varied personal experience with psych "medicine". It is not based on evidence and also does a lot more harm than good, particularly for marriages and children.

>>8324458
hopefully you will get enough hip bone growth from hrt so that you don't look like an inverted triangle.
Since you are AGP tho, you will have to put more effort for feminie manerisms and voice if you aren't naturally fem.

>>8324489
>since you are an agp blah blah blah
Nonsense. Anonymous, never let yourself be limited or defined in any way by a psychologist's bullshit.

>>8324478
You don't get to decide people are harmed because they heard an idea you don't like.

>>8324512
And you don't get to put crazy words in my mouth, Anon.

>>8324525
They're crazy words when I spell them out but they're exactly your point. You decided for people that they don't benefit from being informed of the typology. That's a tremendous arrogance and extremely authoritarian.

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>>8324476
Who cares about AGP or HSTS. At the end of the day, if OP becomes a twinkhon or honster, her life will be that much difficult.
If OP fails to cure her erotic target error of AGP, and her gender dysphoria is persistent, she better transition. However, she must realize what transitioning means to her future. Many AGPs have high expectations of what transitioning will do to their lives. Living life as a stealth vs visibly tranny is very different. If you are visibily tranny, life will be miserable and everyone will treat you as a second class citizen.

>>8324476
>Part of the fetish is fetishing the transition process, hence why so much erotica focuses on the actual transformation from a guy to a girl.
what's the deal with this?

>>8324539
I wouldn't say people benefit from any kind of misinformation.

>>8324377

I'm glad I could convince you to not sabotage yourself (at least as far as telling your parents about AGP, pretty much everyone on this board has sabotaged themselves by not transitioning as a tween or earlier). Even if your parents could appreciate Blanchard's typology in a balanced and sober way, they would be likely to take it very badly in the moment their son tells them he's a tranny.

>>8324474

>Not if everyone knows the typology.

That is fundamentally what the typology says. All AGPs are mentally ill straight men whose brains have mistakenly targeted the self as the place in which it should seek a female partner. If that doesn't sound like the fetish from hell, what is it?

>Not if everyone knows the typology.

As Michael Bailey, Kay Brown,Trent, and others think of it, HSTS are just gays who got pushed into transitioning because the stigma of being an openly gay, effeminate man is greater than that of being a stealth trans woman. At this point, the stigma as a parent is worse transitioning your child than just having a gay son.

>Like whom?

Guess how I know you didn't read the links?
Here's a shortcut: http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/8231615/#8231668 AGP general has also had such posts.

>>8324476

>So really it's not going to hold people back if they know the truth of why they have the fetish.

People have known they're AGP before and dismissed it as nothing but a fetish. And I'm not just talking about people who have been called AGP and had it explained to them after telling their life stories, I mean people who have actually read Blanchard's work have felt ashamed over being AGP and refrained from transitioning.

Blanchard's typology has minimal comforting power and benefit to anyone.

>>8324573
So >>8324512 and >>8324539 were absolutely correct about your views. But phrasing your views as openly as that makes them "crazy words" by your own admission.

>>8324583
>That is fundamentally what the typology says.
It's how you interpret it because of your own stigma against AGP and AGPs.

>As Michael Bailey, Kay Brown,Trent, and others think of it,
I didn't know Baily thought that where has he said it?

I'm pretty sure Brown and Trent don't think that, but I'm open to being proved wrong. Brown's FAQ directly contradicts it though, so I'm wondering how you read that from any of the three people you named...

The link is obvious sarcasm.

>>8324585
Nowhere did I say anything about harming anyone, or censoring Blanchard's retarded ideas so no one could see them. I really believe retarded ideas should be legal in a free country. But putting words in my mouth like you're doing should be punishable by death.

>>8324662
Re-read >>8324370 >>8324412 >>8324441

You don't think being informed of it does good.

>>8324619

>It's how you interpret it because of your own stigma against AGP and AGPs.

Explain the very essence of AGP in your own words then.

>I didn't know Baily thought that where has he said it?

I'm sure I found it through Kate's blog, though it was definitely some cis white male scientist if it wasn't Bailey.

>I'm pretty sure Brown and Trent don't think that, but I'm open to being proved wrong. Brown's FAQ directly contradicts it though, so I'm wondering how you read that from any of the three people you named...

For Kate, see https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/nature-vs-nuture/ As for Trent, you can ask him. Or post that link in the archive, you'll probably find a post of him agreeing with it. Of course, Kate and Trent think trannies are nature's intended form for HSTS/gays and society's transphobia is what pushed them into being gay in the first place.

>The link is obvious sarcasm.

Commie-chan is actually quite the histrionic, if you haven't noticed. Even though she is in a much better position than most people here, she's as easily pushed off the edge as them. Haven't you seen the girl she's obsessed for so long over? Eli Erlick? She looks and sounds bad, yet she was envious.

>>8324687

>>8324370 is me, not that anon.

>>8324757
>Explain the very essence of AGP in your own words then.
A sexuality, no more mentally ill or fetishistic than any other. That doesn't mean they should be blocked from transition, and people who do believe the typology don't believe that. So why would the world if everyone believed it?

>I'm sure I found it through Kate's blog, though it was definitely some cis white male scientist if it wasn't Bailey.
Brown's article that you linked is about a study by him and others. Could it be the one you're thinking of?

>Of course, Kate and Trent think trannies are nature's intended form for HSTS/gays and society's transphobia is what pushed them into being gay in the first place.
In that case the implication is the opposite and the extreme negative interpretation would be to transition gay kids, not prevent HSTS transition. But neither Brown nor Trent do think that, or they haven't said it, so again, why would the world take either of those perspectives when the people who do believe the typology don't?

Brown doesn't directly endorse that interpretation, calling it a thought experiment and treating it as a hypothetical, although in the archive Trent seems to directly agree with her hypothetical.

>Commie-chan is actually quite the histrionic, if you haven't noticed. Even though she is in a much better position than most people here, she's as easily pushed off the edge as them.
Then what she takes from the typology has to be understood considering that, and not understood as what the typology tells them.

>>8324489
Do tranniey really get hip bone growth before 23?
If yes, than thats awesome.
Yeah, I'm not too femme naturally.

>>8324543
I think I will be able to pass, at least most of the time.
My body isn't perfect, but it does lack some masculinity that average guys have.
>>8324583
Wait, are you telling me to not say anything to them or what?

Should I try to do nofap before anything?
I am a natural agp, but maybe my regular porn use has influenced me.

Is it really worth to transition for sex/self romance?
That's what it really is, deep down, a wish to become your own wife.

I dont know where i stand...i get called different things in different threads.


>cross dressed since childhood and cried a lot during puberty especially when my voice dropped
>been depressed and self hating since puberty
>HATE my body, my face etc normally
>never cross dressed for thrills it just makes me feel normal, comfortable
>like girls
>never got along with men
>cross dress in full latex as it takes away the man in the mirror and I see something I actually like
>love just dressing up drinking and listening to music with gf, sex(using male parts) makes me feel weird and creepy in girl mode

Am I AGP, trutrans or what?

>>8326199
There is no such thing as trutrans.
All trans women are biological males who have a deep desire to be women, for different reasons.
HSTS are in a way just overly feminine gay guys.

This is all complicated and there is a spectrum. You don't have to be a pure agp or pure hsts.

Don't discriminate between trannies. All of us have deep reasons for it.
If someone would even consider transitioning and the hell it puts you through, that's already a sign that this person is deeply unsatisfied with their body and therefore trans.

>>8326199
Are you turned on by the idea of being female at all? That's all that AGP is. There are traits that are commonly associated with AGPs, but the sexual or romantic attraction/arousal is the only fundamental element of it, in the sense that you absolutely can't be considered AGP without it.

I mean, you're obviously trans anyway. Are you transitioning? If you're using being AGP or not as a way to decide whether you should: AGP doesn't invalidate transsexualism. If you have gender dysphoria then transition will alleviate it, and therefore you should transition.

>>8323824
OP, this started when you were a little kid.
Do you experience dysphoria?
If so, did you consider the possibility that you're just trans and that your AGP is a symptom rather than the cause?

>>8324430
>The typology seems the most correct, it's just worded in a mean way that hurts people's feefees
Blanchard&Co are the special snowflakes. The medical community does not support the typology in any way shape or form. APA and WPATH reject it outright, and transsexual care in the West is largely based on their work (The DSM and WPATH's SoC).

>>8324147
Hey, did you know that Ray Blanchard believes that transsexuality is not innate, and can be cured in children and teenagers, just as his typology suggests, so trans people below 18 should undergo psychotherapy and made cis instead of transitioning? He supports transitioning as a palliative treatment for severe cases in adults. He calls helping people below 18 transition child abuse.

>>8326471
I experience a form of dysphoria, I don't know how to define it or compare it to others.
I feel kind of unsatisfied how my body looks. Usually I don't think about this when I'm doing something, but sometimes I get a strong desire to be a woman and end up daydreaming about it even when I'm supposed to be doing something.

I think that the agp model is correct, at least for me.
Deep down I want to have a sexual and romantic relationship with muself as a woman.
I've never been particularly feminine.

AGP and "trans" are not exclusive.
In my opinion, everyone who really wants to be a woman is equally trans.
Trans-ness is not this clear-cut thing that can easily be studied and observed.
It is all very subtle and all we can rely on is how people feel.

>>8326540
>AGP and "trans" are not exclusive.
Right.

>Trans-ness is not this clear-cut thing that can easily be studied and observed.
Sure, but a lot of the current models are genetic i.e. people are trans because they're in some way neurologically miswired. This is not to say that they're actually secretly the other gender inside, but that they feel they ought be physically.

>>8326520
how can it be cured?!

>>8326520
dont spread this bs, he is not advocating conversion therapy
he is against rushing every gender-confused child on HRT

>>8326562
Blanchard believes it can be cured - in children and teenagers - via psychotherapy, a la what Zucker has been doing before he got fired. He believes the desistance statistics mean that, given a psychological intervention, the vast majority of trans kids and teenagers can be made happily cis, though probably gay. He also opposes puberty blockers for this reason.

Some adults, he contends, have such a chronic case of gender dysphoria that it cannot be cured, and so allowing them to transition is a humane palliative treatment for their mental illness. To his credit - and there is little credit I'm willing to give him - he testified before congress in favor of insurance companies covering transitioning for such chronic adult cases, which shows he actually believes this. On the other hand he has repeatedly come out against youth transitioning and allowing lightly or only mildly dysphoric adults to transition.

>>8326553
Probably.
It doesn't really matter why it is if we can't cure it.
If you're willing to live as a woman and face all of the challenges of transition, you're trans in my book.

>>8324687
That's not the same as believing it should be censored.

>>8326603
He tweeted that conversion therapy is limited to converting people from gay to straight, and that converting people from trans to cis is not conversion therapy.
He stated he does not support puberty blockers nor hormones for the underaged.

>>8323946
>If I explain my agp with honesty and reason, maybe they will support me.
Haha, no. They'll absolutely never support your transition if in their minds you're doing it for nothing more than a fetish.

>>8326611
>the vast majority of trans kids and teenagers can be made happily cis, though probably gay.
not for agps then...

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>>8326603
Here, I did a quick search and found this.

>>8326663
Well, since AGPs are the majority of transsexuals, and he believes the majority can be cured, yes for AGPs, but well-caught, the "probably gay" thing is for the "HSTS"s rather than both groups.

>>8326654
It's not a fetish, it's a full blown sexuality.
>>8326663
Maybe we can be straight cis guys then.

Can I just take the hormones and live as a male?
I have no particular need to present as a woman, but I will feel much better about my body.
Also, my agp sexy time is gonna be awesome.
Can I just live as a weird androgynous hybrid that identifies as a male?
How weird will I look?

>>8326688
I can't wait untill Blanchy starts her transition and becomes a level 6000 hon.

>>8324884
Now define the difference between sexuality and fetish. Given the huge number of varied and unusual fetishes, there must be one that's AGP-like. How would you distinguish them?

>>8326688
He has a point though. Gender dysphoria is a medical condition. Transition is not always the best option for treatment.

>>8326689
>Maybe we can be straight cis guys then.
Spoiler: Blanchard is a hack.

>>8326688
>since AGPs are the majority of transsexuals,
not of trans kids and teenagers

>>8326520
>>8326611
>tfw no Blanchardian psychologist to cure me of my AGP during my teen years

>>8326751
We need more blanchardians. My agp has been getting worse since childhood. If there was a proper therapist, who knows.

>>8326744
The average age at which members of both groups transition has been in free fall for quite a while now. Truth be told I had forgotten about the inter-orientation discrepancy, which means that you're potentially right, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if gynephiles are now the majority among teenagers as well.

>>8326760
You do know that AGP being a cause of transsexuality, rather than a common side effect of it, is heavily disputed by the medical community, yeah? Whether you can turn a trans kid cis is hardly documented, and is at odds with the more popular genetic hypothesis.

>>8326654
What If I tell them I'll just take hormones and live as a man?
I will literally never be satisfied with a male body. Maybe we can meet half way. When I become feminine from hrt it will be easier for them to just accept me as a full tranny. Or not, who cares, I just want my feminine body.

>>8326775
Politically correct medical lobby. They are influenced by liberal ideas to not hurt anybody's feelings.
Blanchard is not trying to hurt anyone. He is a doctor trying to discover truth and help people.
Whether he is right or not, who are we to say?
I can just tell you that his model seems to be pretty accurate from my personal experience.

>>8326689
>It's not a fetish, it's a full blown sexuality.
Yeah, try explaining that to normies, especially normies that lean towards unaccepting of trans people. All they'll see is the fact that you're motivated by sex, and write it off quickly; they won't understand how the sex is related to the dysphoria (if they see the dysphoria as being "legitimate" or even existing at all), or how intense and debilitating it is, or really any of the intricacies of it at all. That's why the "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body" narrative is so ingrained in public perception: it's easy to understand why a trans person would believe that, and it intrinsically and obviously validates their womanhood. AGP is complicated, and has the element of sexuality which makes people averse to it and plays on negative stereotypes of trans people.

I understand wanting to be honest with your parents and to inform/educate them, but there are too many opportunities for it to go wrong for relatively little benefit (and it could go really badly wrong). At the very least, it's a bad idea to tell them now, at this early stage when everything is so uncertain. If you really have to you can tell them later once they have a better understanding and you're certain of their acceptance. Basically what this anon said >>8324583

>Even if your parents could appreciate Blanchard's typology in a balanced and sober way, they would be likely to take it very badly in the moment their son tells them he's a tranny.

>>8326766
and when agps are the majority he'll stop thinking the majority can be cured...

>>8326798
What if I do this >>8326776
If I get my body to be feminine, I'm set.
I don't need to develop this whole feminine identity.
I can still be their son.
The only difference will be that my body will be shaped to have the ability to please me sexually and emotionally.

>>8326794
>Politically correct medical lobby. They are influenced by liberal ideas to not hurt anybody's feelings.
The *entire mainstream medical community* is cowed by the politically correct medical lobby? Everyone in APA and WPATH and lying due to political pressure? What about conservative pressures on them? Why haven't they caved to the Christian lobbies, who are more powerful?

>He is a doctor trying to discover truth and help people
So are all of the doctors making up the mainstream medical community - the overwhelming majority - who reject his work!

>Whether he is right or not, who are we to say?
You're right, that is ultimately not our place. We're not experts and the best we can do is rely on scientific consensus and the opinions of experts. Those experts object to the typology and the scientific consensus is against the typology. APA and WPATH are professional organizations.

>>8326826
He wrote the typology. He could very clearly say he thinks HSTS transsexuals can be cured but he did not. He said non-adult transsexuals can be cured. At the very least a large portion of them (if not the majority now) are AGP.

I'm not sure why you're arguing with this. His typology states the same: a cross-sex identity is developed by engaging with the paraphilia over time. Cure the AGP before they develop the cross-sex identity, or before the identity is strong, and you're golden.

>>8326838
Most of these doctors are liberal. It is such a community.
Conservatives simply reject transsexuals and therefore have no influence in the subject.

Most of them are just trying to help.

The lobby is strong. If you offend lgbt community, you're in trouble. The media can attack you etc.

I assume many don't want to be bothered with all the resistance that comes with embracing the agp theory.
And lastly, if the majority rejects it, others will more likely do it too. It's a circle jerk of sorts.

>>8326776
>>8326826
That might help soften the blow of "losing their son" and otherwise make it a less drastic change, you're right. On the other hand, it might actually make it worse, since they'll expect a "real" trans person to want to live as female (and not understand th different degrees and types of dysphoria). Often body dysphoria is something normies have a hard time understanding; they see being tarns as all about the desire to live as a woman (even when your body is unpassing), and the physical changes as jut a way to facilitate that. If you can get across to them what your physical dysphoria is and how it motivates you then it would be fine. Just don't trust it to make things any better.

I don't know. If I were you I'd be pretty vague and not give much focus to your identity, and just really focus on the body dysphoria. Hope they don't examine it too much, and let them think what they want about your gender. It's not going to be simple or easy, and you know your family better than I do.


>>8326794
>Blanchard is not trying to hurt anyone. He is a doctor trying to discover truth and help people.
I agree with this sentiment. However:

>Whether he is right or not, who are we to say?
People who can look at the evidence for ourselves and dispute his claims. Honestly the evidence surrounding transsexualism is really lacking in pretty much every way; there's not much we know for sure. Blanchard's theories are not well-supported. Political correctness is a factor but it still doesn't change the fact that his theories and views are rejected almost entirely due to lack of evidence.

I am curious exactly what procedure he recommends for curing proto-transsexualism in children. Conversion therapy certainly doesn't work on adults, and "normal" attempts to cure transsexualism in childhood don't seem to work based on the huge amount of people who were made to repress and still turned out trans, so I wonder whether a more refined procedure could actually do anything.

>>8326846
>Cure the AGP before they develop the cross-sex identity,
too late for me then even if it's possible...

>>8326846
How does he expect that to happen when AGP often manifests in childhood or early adolescence? A child doesn't know to stop "engaging with the paraphilia", because it feels natural to them. It makes it sound like he IS advocating for some form of conversion therapy, because there's no other real way to prevent a child from doing that.

Has anyone considered that maybe, just maybe, there IS no unifying pattern behind transgender behavior and that people can, gasp, transition for any mixture of potentially dozens of reasons that may include simply identifying with the opposite gender, autogynephilia or body depersonalization due to childhood sexual abuse?

Maybe there IS no unified Theory of Transsexuality. Maybe it's all just people with widely varying psychological, sexual, social and physiological pathologies finding solace in a way to cope that helps them function, and maybe their decision should be respected not because of the "validity" of any root cause, but because they are human beings with the right to choose their path in life?

No, that's silly! People can't make their own coping decisions and nobody is valid unless brain sex is real, or Blanchard's typology is real, or (Insert X other ideological oversimplification of a complicated issue) is real.

God I'm sick of this fucking argument. It doesn't even fucking matter either way.

>>8326846
I'm op.
I'm 19 and my agp is very strong. I think it's too late. The identity is already starting to emerge.
I'm just thinking I could still live for 4-5 years as a male on hrt. Later I can just fully embrace tranny-ness.

>>8326862
>Most of these doctors are liberal. It is such a community.
Ergo, you shouldn't trust the professional opinion of doctors?

>Conservatives simply reject transsexuals and therefore have no influence in the subject.
Not entirely true.

>The lobby is strong. If you offend lgbt community, you're in trouble. The media can attack you etc.
The Christian lobby is stronger. The conservative lobby is stronger than the liberal lobby. Donald Trump won.

>I assume many don't want to be bothered with all the resistance that comes with embracing the agp theory.
There is significantly less resistance to the AGP theory than to their current narrative if you look outside of the LGBT community, which is ultimately small and insignificant when compared to the fundamentalist community, evangelists and the Christian right in general.

Given all of this, don't you think that it is far more logical that the medical community genuinely believes what it is espousing to be true? Why believe a lone, rogue doctor over literally all of the other experts? Why believe they have discarded his conspiracy for political rather than professional reasons? If you're not an expert and you're relying on the opinion of experts.. why not believe in the scientific consensus?

>>8326865
I just think this would be the most honest way of doing it.
The truth has more power behind it.
Transitioning physically would be enough for start.
They don't expect a tranny to live as a woman. They don't expect anything.
I don't know how can I sell the idea of me taking estrogen to them.
It's a tricky thing, but I still think I should soften the blow of "losing their son".

>>8326871
As I understand it the idea is that if you catch such cases while the individual is still a child or in their teens you can reverse the process, or stop it from developing if you somehow catch it really early.

>>8326905
Tbh, I'm too lazy to argue about this now.
All I'm gonna say is that I still belive Blanchard's theory is decent.
It explains my situation with great accuracy.
It's just my experience, the only thing I can possibly know.

>>8326913
There is no way I would actively try to do that to my child.

>>8326932
Okay, but think about it.
Either way I think that you should seriously consider transitioning if your dysphoria is that severe.
I also think that you shouldn't tell people you're AGP. Normies just don't get it. They can barely, barely understand the simplistic "woman trapped in a man's body" narrative. AGP is too much. I know it sucks but that's the way it is.

>>8326943
I mean, I agree. I'm explaining his ideas. From his point of view you're saving a kid from a lifetime of harassment, heartache and medical treatments.

>>8326946
>They can barely, barely understand the simplistic "woman trapped in a man's body" narrative.
One might ask if there's a connection between being unable to understand it and it being nonsense.

>>8326932
This is interesting, because the more I learn about AGPs, the more I learn that I'm not very much like them. But I'm definitely not HSTS. What aspects of AGP do you specifically identify with?

>>8326956
Oh, but that's the one narrative the normies showed the greatest affinity for! Every other attempt failed. This is our A-game at the moment, and it barely works.

>>8326908
If you think that's best then I can't stop you. I'm just suggesting being pragmatic. You're not lying by witholding information. In a loose sense it's even more honest, since it will ultimately leave them with an understanding closer to reality: no matter what, their understanding is going to be flawed, but telling them about AGP, while in some ways more informative, is likely going to cause them to misinterpret it and have a less accurate understanding overall. Better to tell them most of the truth and have the get it right than all of the truth and have their misunderstanding of the last part ruin their understanding other parts too.

>>8326943
What, with the current lack of evidence that it works, or just at all even in a hypothetical situation where you know it works and would make them vastly happier because they don't have to be a tranny (which is pretty much inherently torturous and depressing and otherwise bad).

>>8326932
>It explains my situation with great accuracy.
It explains yours, but as a typology it's supposed to explain transsexualim as a whole, which is fails to adequately do.

>>8326973
not her but how does it fail to?

>>8326973
>What, with the current lack of evidence that it works, or just at all even in a hypothetical situation where you know it works and would make them vastly happier because they don't have to be a tranny (which is pretty much inherently torturous and depressing and otherwise bad).

Because it doesn't work. My only regret is not starting earlier, it ruined my life, and I wouldn't want to take a risk like that with my child.

>>8326968
>that's the one narrative the normies showed the greatest affinity for! Every other attempt failed.
Explain?

>>8326960
I identify with all, if I carefully look at subtle feelings and self-deceptions.
It doesn't seem like I'm an agp sometimes.
When I look for a root cause of my transsexualism, I always find sexual attraction. It all boils down to me being my own girlfriend (as ridiculous as that sounds). I still want real relationships, but agp is somewhat like autosexuality.
I'm attracted to three things:
>myself as a woman
>other women
>men in a sense where they validate my femininity by fuking and dominating me. Treating me like a girl.

Agp can be very strong and invade your male identity. It can even ruin it with time. That's why agps transition.

My whole sexuality is centered around it and it messes with my identity. That is the best way for me to describe it.

>>8326973
I just want to know, what would normal, uninformed parents think when their son starts to develop feminine features?

How would people react to me if I walked around in male clothes after a year of hrt?
I live in a place where people got no idea about this.

I think that the number of agps is much higher than we assume. People hide it because it sounds weird and like a fetish.

I assume many people have fallen for their own self-deception.
They thrust their hurt feelings more than logic.
Transsexualism is mostly about feelings, let's be real.
I think that Blanchard's model is very good. It can't explain everything, but it does explain a phenomena that is much more common than people think.

>>8327291
>They trust their hurt feelings more than logic
>I think that Blanchard's model is very good
ayyy

>>8327257
>It all boils down to me being my own girlfriend (as ridiculous as that sounds). I still want real relationships, but agp is somewhat like autosexuality.
Can you expand on this? I can relate.

>>8327257
I don't relate to the "autosexuality" thing at all, I can't see myself as "being my own girlfriend", but the meta-attraction thing is relatable. Except I also want women to validate and dominate me, so maybe I'm meta-attracted to both sexes, and that's why the autosexuality seems alien to me.

Also, I never had a male identity. But I'm still sure I'm AGP for other reasons.

>>8325814

I'm just telling you the same thing I said earlier. Don't tell your parents about AGP, focus on how you've suffered and the fact that transition is the proven treatment for trannies, which is why doctors who are educated on this subject support it. Knowing the "why" has no practical uses and is beyond current technology.

>>8327291
>what would normal, uninformed parents think when their son starts to develop feminine features?

They would think he's a fag.

>>8327306
Nice dogmas m8.
All they say is bs like "I'm a real woman, that's how I've always been". That's pure emotion. I'm trying to make sense of it.
>>8327312
Well, when I imagine I'm a pretty lady, I get this warm feeling, exactly like falling in love.
>>8327337
It's not autosexuality per se. I still want to have sex with other people and their validation.

When you get turned on by your own body and you "fall in love with yourself", you become your own wife in a sense.
It's partially autosexuality, but the best thing is to include other people.
I don't know how to explain better.
>>8327369
That's fine by me. They would take fag-ness much better than tranny-ness.

>>8327430
>Well, when I imagine I'm a pretty lady, I get this warm feeling, exactly like falling in love.
Aren't you confusing simple happiness with love?

>>8327451
It could be, but the feeling is very similar to when I fantasize about a real girl.

>>8327471
There is a huge difference between fantasizing and being in love, or even having a crush.

>>8327471
That's not love, that's excitement...

>>8327478
It feels like fantasizing about a girl I'm im love.

>>8327481
It can end up being romantic, combined with self love and sensual masturbation.

>>8327430
What's the difference between AGP and autosexuality? That your feeling is more like love rather than plain arousal? Autoromance rather than autosex?

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>>8323920
Hey, that link is me. Didn't realize anyone cared about my stoned ama enough to remember it lol

>>8327430
>Nice dogmas m8.
You're the one who opted to believe a quack over the entire scientific community because his opinion matches your feelings..

>>8327486
That's still just a fantasy and is not at all comparable.
Have you never been in love with somebody?

>>8327496
Let's not make this a circle jerk.
Agp is sexual attraction to oneself as a woman.
This sexual attraction can create various feelings, both tenporary or permanent.
It is a metaphor.
I was trying to express agp better, but you guys take it too literally.
Just chill, I don't literally want to be my own wife.

>>8327494
You don't seem to understand what romance and love actually are. :|

>>8327513
It matches my EXPERIENCES.
I put aside my feelings and try to analise it the best I can.
Muh scientific community.
It's all sjw-infested lobbyism.
If you belive mainstream is always correct, then I feel really sorry for you.

>>8327530
>Let's not make this a circle jerk.
Can't be a circle when it's just one person ;p

Seriously, I'm sorry if I misunderstood. I'm just trying to understand your analogy and your comparison to autosexuality and what the difference is.

>>8327513
>>8327514
>>8327535
I guess Blanchard is just a big ol' dummy. I'm really stupid to critically analise myself.
You guys were right all along.
Thanks for the nice conversation, I really learned a lot.

>>8327580
>I guess Blanchard is just a big ol' dummy.
That is correct and Blanchard's tranny typology is pure pseudoscience, but this fact is irrelevant to your confusion about the nature of romance and love... I'm trying to explain to you that it takes two to tango, Anon. You can't do it alone.

>>8327580
No anon, don't be put off! Believe what you believe and don't feel you need to defend it 24/7 when people try to push their views on you. Just do your self-analysis and engage the people who help that!

>>8327591
There really is no talking to people like you.
I was using metaphores to explain a strange phenomena.
All you do is take it too seriously and bash Blanchard.

>>8327625
Sarcasm m8

>>8327629
Hmm. You don't seem to know what a metaphor is either. Maybe you need a dictionary to solve all your problems?

>muh HSTS
It ain't real.
Stop believing in postmodernist lies.

>>8327637
Anon was clearly put off by the hostility to what they believed.

>>8327643
Good one, sjw. Go join your antifa protest or something. You disgust me.

>>8327649
I was just claiming that some people might be real agps, then the snowflakes attacked.

>>8327662
Nothing we discussed had anything to do with social justice or communism. You are being very silly.

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>>8327705
You're getting there, pal.
Here are the steps:
>1: muh scientific community
>2: anyone who disagrees with me is stupid
>3: you're a white male
As far as I can see, you're on step 2.

>>8327543
>I put aside my feelings aside
>Muh scientific community
No, you're literally going MUH FEELS and ignoring scientific consensus, calling them SJWs because they're not saying what you'd like them to say.

>>8327580
He's a quack rather than a dummy, and if you were critically analyzing yourself you'd be listening to people who have not been proven wrong.

>>8327719
>1. I never said a word about the "scientific community".
>2. I never called you "stupid".
>3. I'm a fucking white male.

>>8327719
>muh scientific community
So you're right and all of the doctors are wrong. Gotcha. Who's the snowflake here? You're following your fee fees over the facts.

>>8327733
You still got roasted.

>>8327730
>>8327742
Of course. Science was never influenced by a lobby.
People are too nice to do that.
The world is a nice and kind place.
There are no agendas whatsoever.
Mainstream is always true.
Conform. Conform. Conform.

I said I ANALISED MY EXPERIENCES CRITICALLY
No feels, analysis when calm and logical.
I can never know the real truth.
I just know what I observe.
I analise what I observe.
We can debate as much as we want, but we are just using other people's information.
I have only encountered agp and that's what I know.
Information + your own experience. That's as close as you can get to truth.
I'm not saying all trannies are agps.

Safe space for Blanchard talk
>>8327786
>>8327786
>>8327786

>>8327784
Maybe observe some psychology courses and get a PhD so your observations have a chance of being as valuable as those who have done so.

>>8327784
How can you properly analyze yourself when you lack a solid framework for expressing your emotions, as evident in the lack of your understanding of concepts such as love or romance?

>>8327802
Why don't you call your marxist professor to tell me the truth?
I'm capable enough to conclude that blanchard's theory applies almost perfectly to my personal experience.
Snowflakes like you can't do anything on your own.

>>8327823
>The doctors are all communists that's why they want to vaccinate your kid with autism
ayyy

>>8327817
I was trying to use metaphores used by Blanchard. You took it too seriously.
Also, english is not my native language.

>>8327829
Don't get too triggered. I was saying that snowflakes like you can't even change oil on their car.

Get rekt, son.

>>8327831
>I was trying to use metaphores used by Blanchard. You took it too seriously.

>metaphor
>an expression, often found in literature, that describes a person or object by referring to something that is considered to have similar characteristics to that person or object:
I'm sorry, but you didn't describe anything close to what romantic love could be.

>>8327843
lol who's the triggered one here? you literally went >muh science
and went on about how you feel something is right hence it must be right despite all evidence to the contrary. Also that the evil doctors are all brainwashed socialists. Might want to stick to changing oil.

>>8327749
Sure, just not very effectively. :|

>>8327861
Then you don't know how strange agp is.
You've never ecperienced it. I assume you never read a book on it.
All you know about it is from anti-agp sources.
You don't even know what I'm talking about.
You just claim it's not comparable.
You're oblivious to your own hypocrisy.
Fail. Go read your gender studies textbook.

>>8327893
Have you read Blanchard's papers?

>>8327875
>step 1: call me a crazy conspiracy theorist
>step 2: shame me for being able to take care of myself

>>8327893
I definitely fall under ''AGP'' umbrella. You're just full of shit, as evidenced by you considering fantasizing over something to be the same as it actually happening.

>>8327929
Look, I already roasted you guys enough.
Might aswell stop posting in this thread.
I don't care either way.

>>8327947
You didn't do much besides throwing a tantrum because somebody disagreed with you.

>>8327913
You're the one denying the scientific consensus and claiming that the consensus is only in place because of a vast socialist conspiracy.. I'd say you called yourself that.

>>8327947
>I ROASTED YOU ENOUGH OKAY BYE
lol

>>8325746
TruAGP™ are naturally femme but capable of repressing for a while. Are you sure you aren't just a cis fetishist?

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>>8328004
Nice one, Sir Carlton of the Cuckold

>>8331877
lmao cucked by science praise jeebus XD

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>>8331913
I don't belive in "jeebus", Carl.
Stop trying to be a funny guy, it's not really working out for you.

>>8331955
Might as well if you don't believe in science.

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>>8332015
I stand corrected.
You really are a funny guy.

>>8332032
Thanks.

>>8332059
It was sarcasm, but whatever.
I don't want to be mean or argue with people on the internet for no reason.
Too late for that one.

This was intended to be pro AGP thread, where we can discuss our experiences.
You can disagree with us, but that was not the point.

I made this thread for people who experience agp to share and discuss.

I got baited into pointless arguing.

>>8332078
You don't actually care about discussing AGP experiences, all that matters is validating your own view on them.

>>8332125
Why would it matter to me?
I literally don't get anything from it.
I will likely transition soon, so the standard opinion on it would be more benificial to me.

This is just my opinion and experience and I want to talk to people who can relate.

>>8332078
I discussed my thoughts on AGP. Namely that it is a fetish and that Blanchard is a hack. If you don't want to engage someone don't respond to them.

>>8332141
> If you don't want to engage someone don't respond to them.
True, I got kinda baited into it. I didn't expect it would go this far.

>>8332139
Then just state from the get go you want a blanchardian circlejerk and don't want your perspective challenged and save everybody's time.

>>8332156
But you didn't challenge it.
You just said it was bs and started bashing me and it.
Present me with some good evidence and I will consider it.

>>8332166
Not them but what's the evidence *for* it?
I briefly wrote this up in another thread a while back:
>>8330950

>>8332166
You spectacularly failed to defend AGP being a sexuality, which is essential to blanchardianism.

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>>8332213
You didn't present any evidence or real arguments.
All you did was act like the guy on the pic.

>>8332178
Fair enough.
However, there are people who fall in category of Blanchard's AGPs perfectly.
There are real AGPs out there.
We don't know the real cause, just like for other trannies. We also don't know why some people are gay.
It is just a theory, but so is everything else related to transsexualism.

Is there a cure for AGP?

>>8327510
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. We hear far too little from transitioned AGPs. I think everyone in the AGP threads cared.

I didn't even knew what AGP was lol, have you tried just masturbating thinking about it and going on with your life?

>>8334891
Of course I have, but it is overwhelming and debilitating.
It completely overshadows my regular heterosexuality and fooks with my mind.

>>8336313
agp > regular heterosexuality

>>8334891
That's the issue with AGP, can't have sex or date anyone if I'm not a woman

>>8336389
>>8336405
They say agp is worse if you repress it.
I'm thinking about coming out as an agp and ordering some cute outfits for crossdressing.
If I'm open about it, it won't be my dark secret anymore.
Also, if I practice crossdressing openly, it will remove the self-hating part of it.
I'm also gonna research how Blanchard planned to cure it, so that I can replicate it myself.
I have already cured most of my anxiety by replicating regular cbt at home, so I might be able to do some sort of agp self-therapy.
I feel perfectly comfortable in male body when I'm not horny or daydreaming.
Does anyone know how Blanchard planned to treat agp?
I have only read Lawrence's book about agp, so if anyone got more info, please share.

>>8336405
Yes you can, you just have to believe in yourself as a woman.

>>8336553
Yeah, you can crossdress and take a feminine role. That helps, but you'll always fantasize about transition or at least taking hrt.

Could HRT without social transition be considered a cure for AGP?
It cuts down AGP in two ways:
>it gives you a body you've been dreaming about
>it lowers your sex drive, so your fantasies will not be as debilitating

It seems to me that this would make AGPs much more content.

>>8336577
Why wouldn't you socially transition if you already pass as a female and want to be seen as a female tho

>>8336581
>weird and difficult life situations
>many agps do not care about feminine identity, it's just that their whole sexuality is centered around their feminine body and role in sex

Many agps admit that they are not naturally feminine and it's kinda like faking.
The other type of trannies are naturally feminine since childhood, so "becoming a woman" full time is desired for them.

AGPs often lie about their desires, just to get hrt more easily.

I can guarantee you, most agps do not want to force people to treat them as a woman.
They just want a feminine body for sex and masturbation. It's like a must for them.
For them it's similar to a straight man who never slept with a woman, only with feminine boys.

So does being an untransitioned AGP (and I mean hard AGP) totally fuck your prospects of a satisfying sexual and romantic relationship?

I'm a virgin male who gets very strong romantic crushes on guys, and I can fantasize about having sex with them, but no matter how hard I try to convince myself otherwise deep down I know that I'm not turned on by their bodies at all, I'm turned on by the thought of myself being their little sub, and in an actual relationship I really don't think that would make for a good experience for me and especially not for them.

>>8336587
>I can guarantee you, most agps do not want to force people to treat them as a woman.

No, that's exactly what I want to do. Maybe you're right about "most" AGPs tho

>>8336593
It does.
We still like girls, but just don't want to be dominant guys who fook them.
I would love to be with a woman when I transition hormonally.
We can have passionate, sensual sex, but it must rarely include me penetrating her.
Basically, I want to have something very similar to lesbian sex with girls.

>>8336599
Maybe I want to do it in a way, but I understand that it's silly and that I'm not actually a woman.
Having a feminisdd body would be pretty good, maybe even enough.
Can you relate?

>>8336593
>and in an actual relationship I really don't think that would make for a good experience for me and especially not for them.
Why not?

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>>8323824

>AGPs often lie about their desires, just to get hrt more easily.

For me, it's moreso because of the "Oh god, am I feminine enough to be trans? But if I'm not trans, I won't get to be a woman!" fear.

>I can guarantee you, most agps do not want to force people to treat them as a woman.

You couldn't be more wrong. To give an example:

>Be me
>Be senior in high school
>Hoping to avoid going to prom because of dysphoria.
>I know that if I go to prom, I'm going to be stuck in a boring stuffy tux with shoulder pads that pronounce my already-broad shoulders, while I'm surrounded by girls in beautiful dresses specially designed for the occasion
>Nearly vomited while typing that
>Cute girl asks me to prom
>Try to politely say no
>Wind up saying "yes" because I'm too beta to turn her down, and part of me wanted to go if I could as a girl.
>tfw I'm so autistic that I somehow got a prom date when I was actively trying not to
>tfw I don't even want to go, but have to or else I'll wind up screwing her over
>tfw I have to act like nothing is wrong the whole time

>>8337483
Meant to reply to >>8336581 , not op

>>8337490
Fuck, I mean, >>8336587

Good 4chan app. No delete post button. 10/10

>>8337483
I am both op and that poster.

I guess what I was trying to say is that I don't want to force the idea that I'm a real woman.

Sometimes I feel ok wearing regular man clothes like hoodies etc.

Hell yeah, I would wear a dress to prom.
I've been to 2 proms and I looked really gay in my goofy ass suit and my beta male build. Might aswell wear a dress.

Society tries to force us into being male or female.
I would love to just be a girly boy.
That means I would most often dress casually androgynous/masculine.
However, I would sometimes dress very girly, especially for events such as prom.

I don't want to force the idea of womanhood.
All I want is to be a hormonally feminised guy who wears what he wants.
If people see me in my dress and call me a "she", great. If not, I don't care.

All I really want is to be me.
I can already do that, but I really want hrt.

Hope that explains it.

>>8337525
Yeah, I'm pretty much the same way in that aspect. Gender roles are dumb and don't mean anything. People should just be allowed to live as they please in peace.

I mostly just have an issue with the idea that AGP women don't get dysphoria, and they only transition to satisfy a fetish. Dysphoria is generally a big problem in my life.

>>8336643
Because both of us would know that I'm not really attracted to my partner, that I'm just using them as an instrument in my fetishistic attraction to myself. That sounds like it wouldn't be great for their self esteem I don't see why they wouldn't just ditch me for normal person who would be both romantically AND sexually attracted to them.

>>8337908
>People should just be allowed to live as they please in peace.
Exactly. However, most people do fit gender roles pretty well, that's why we have them in the first place.
We, who don't fit them at all are a small minority. I don't expect the world to change for me, but I would love if it would.

The problem is that people are so used to the average gender roles and we stand out. When you stand out you're gonna get haters.

Some people don't fit gender roles only slightly and therefore have no problem with their gender.
We are a tiny minority.

The thing with agp is that it is far more than a fetish.
It is a heterosexuality with a so called "erotic target location error".
AGP completely overshadows sexualities of people to the point they are not even aroused by the thought of having sex with a woman as a man.

This starts in early puberty and we end up fantasizing about being women and masturbating almost exclusively to these fantasies.
Over the years this starts to develop a strong cross-gender identity, even though AGPs are rarely naturally feminine.

I hope you now understand that agp is a huge problem in life. It is far more than just a fetish.
It is not a traditional dysphoria, but it can have similar effects.

Real agp is very hard to deal with. Many agp transsexuals pretend they are a traditional trans because of the stigma.

People need to stop hating on us and let us have hrt if we belive that is the solution.

>>8337483

You're at least taking HRT, aren't you, anon?

>>8337499

You can delete your posts as well after 1 minute but not after a while. You can use the arrow next to the post number to select the option to delete the post, or you can check the box next to anonymous and go to the bottom of the page and click delete.

tfw depressed and almost asexual during winter and AGP faded out

warm sunny weather and AGP flourishes again

only makes you feel lonley and hopeless all the time

get drunk and cry like a child

>>8338615
I'm trying to start, although I wound up taking the road of most resistance so I lost a year I could have gotten going diy (figured my mom's insurance would make things cheaper and easier in the long run). I should at least have my first consult with an endo next month tho.

Also, I used a 3rd party app to post those. Which, the app doesn't have a way to delete posts.

>>8339361
>warm sunny weather and AGP flourishes again
Yeah, I know how you feel. When I go to the beach I see all those hot babes and I just want to................. be them, you know?
>get drunk and cry like a child
No, get online and order skittles ;)
>only makes you feel lonley and hopeless all the time
You can be my agp babe.
We can make out, cuddle and stroke each other's diccs :D

>>8338065
Yeah, I know what agp is. I have it, and would have definitely transitioned years ago if the taboo around it wasn't a thing, and it was seen as ok for AGP people to transition. For me, at least, I just prefer to think the more accurate description is the "repressed autistic tranny" theory. Partially because it doesn't suggest I'm a man, and partially because it actually seems to explain some things about me.

The medical community generally agrees that blanchard's interpretation is quackery, and as it wound up ending in more repression in my case (although it admittedly wasn't the only factor. Just the final straw), I'm not exactly happy with it being perpetuated as much as it is either.

>>8341391
>The medical community generally agrees that blanchard's interpretation is quackery
It can all be called quackery.
Transgender "science" is very vague and relies too much on people's feelings.
There is no way do debunk any of the transgender theories, because they all rely on people's interpretation and feelings.

In the end, we don't know anything. The only thing we can know is if we want to transition or not.
Maybe I'm a "repressed autistic tranny" too, but I go by the agp theory because that is the one that describes my experience the best.

>>8341391
>would have definitely transitioned years ago
Why do you say definitely? How long ago would it have had to have been not taboo in order to save you? 2010? 2000?

>I just prefer to think the more accurate description is the "repressed autistic tranny" theory.
If you think you're a repressed tranny why are you choosing not to transition?

What does it seem to explain about you?

>it wound up ending in more repression in my case
How did it end up repressing you more? What were the other factors besides the taboo?

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AGP discord channel

https://discord.gg/F2wu7hx

>>8341611
how many people are there?

>>8341611
When this thread dies I'll make a proper AgpGen.

>>8340573
I wish you were real, I only have my pillow to cuddle and its been that for years

>>8341644
we currently have 32 people and growing.

>>8341735
Can you post this perma link in /AgpGen?

>>8341938
I thought there's already an AgpGen discord?

>>8341915
>I wish you were real
What do you mean?
> I only have my pillow to cuddle and its been that for years
Same here, I need a cute tranny to love.
We should both become trannies and get together so we can cuddle and have passionate sex every day.

>>8342073
like within the realm of possibility of this ever happening and meeting someone like you -real

>cute
ha ha...
but its a nice dream to motivate yourself with

>>8342418
Maybe we can stay in contact.
Do you have a throwaway?

>>8342582
nomo#1968 discord

>>8323824
>How long ago would it have had to have been not taboo in order to save you? 2010? 2000?

2012, I think.

>If you think you're a repressed tranny why are you choosing not to transition?

I'm not repressing anymore. The repression plan failed, so now I'm trying to transition because I basically got to the point where it was either transition or suicide.

>What does it seem to explain about you?

Mostly small things. Like why I prefer to pee sitting down, or why I'd feel like shit whenever I go shopping for clothes, why I squeal when I get excited. Nothing that would be obvious to the average person, though.

>How did it end up repressing you more? What were the other factors besides the taboo?

For one thing, the kids at my middle school took the "no homo" thing REALLY seriously. Any signs of being gay, and you were a target. They're ok now, although it's still there to some extent.

Aside from that, my dad had recently passed away (recently at the time), and my mom turned out to be transphobic when I came out to her.

This, combined with apprehension for the potential future (if I decided to transition), along with insecurity from not being a stereotypical girly girl from the womb (my mom's main argument against my transition too) made me an easy target for gaslighting. I tried to find help on the internet, and found Blanchard's typology instead.

>>8342689
I don't have discord, but I'll make it tomorrow, since so many people use it here.
I'll hit you up.

>>8323981
>Crossdressing lots
Nice to see you admit there's no such thing as crossdressing in moderation. The only sexual thoughts I entertain anymore are AGP thoughts, and of course I have to be at least somewhat crossdressed when I entertain those. I've also become turned on by interacting with people while partially crossdressed and they don't realize it. Or if a stranger or neighbor sees me from a distance and thinks there's something "off" about what I'm wearing, I get aroused by that possibility. I'm taking risks that a few years ago I never dreamed of taking.

>>8342845
I want to interact with people while they don't know my body is full of estrogen and my boobies are growing.
It would be a good step forward for me to just start hrt and transition later, maybe after 3-4 years, who knows.

>>8342889
>I want to interact with people while they don't know my body is full of estrogen and my boobies are growing
Before you know it you'll be getting a little thrill out of people glancing down at your chest and making a slight weird expression but not mentioning it. Even more thrilling if your face is a little androgynous and you know they know it.

>>8342955
That all sounds very hot.
I want all that to happen.
A big turn on for me is that I'll be a man who has female body chemistry and features.
Straight guys will start to feel attracted to me, without knowing anything.
It's so hot to be one of the guys, their friend, but also a submissive bitch who they might fook some day.
I didn't explain it well, but I hope you get my point.

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Just few min ago I was taking a shower and feeling like Im a girl born with wrong genitals.
Now I just feel like Im a mentally ill dude again.

I grew up male, I socialized as male, I view myself as male most of the time - when I dont indulge in these fantasies.
Why do I still want to look feminine and be a woman is sex? Should I just get zapped

>>8343142
When I had long hair and dressed like a fuccboi occasionally straight guys would kind of act interested but they'd try to hide it so they wouldn't be called a fag by their friends. Guys often asked me to sit on their laps and would put their arms around me and such.
I kind of miss it. I'm on HRT now but I think I aged too much since then ;_;

>>8343817
So, you want to be a woman sexually, but a man in public and identity-wise?
Just be a femboy.
>>8343830
I'm growing my hair out now. It's already mid long. It's dark, thick and low-key curly. It looks really nice.

>Guys often asked me to sit on their laps and would put their arms around me and such.
That sounds both cute and hot.
I want guys to sense my pheromones when I go on hrt. It passively implies that you're a girl.

>>8343830

How young were you then?

>>8344014
Happened all the time when I was like 16-19 years old. I cut my hair short after that though and kind of 'manned up' although I basically just ended up looking like a legit beta manlet but that's as manly as I could get lmao

I'm considering "curing" my agp because:

I remember, when I used to be a young boy, I used to have crushes on girls all the time.
I would often fantasize about kissing them and cuddling with them.
Small sign of agp was there, but nothing important.

When I hit puberty, again I had crushes on girls and I was sexually attracted to them. I would still have "romantic" fantasies, but they would get sexual every now and again.
Agp here started to become more noticable, I sometimes fantasized about having feminine features like breasts and I got aroused.

Early to mid puberty, I started masturbating regularly. Most of the porn I watched was straight, all my life. At first I related with the male actor and imagined having sex with the girl.

Mid to late puberty, 99% of the time I masturbate to the thought of me being a girl, in various situations.
This includes everything from sex with men to mildly erotic scenarios.

It was at this crucial point (mid puberty) when agp completely took over.
It completely overshadows my regular heterosexuality now.

I am deep down just a regular heterosexual guy, I love women and I always have.
The problem is that my paraphilia is ruining me.

Some people treat paraphilias and Blanchard belives agp can be treated.

Do not confuse this with something like gay conversion therapy.
I am a straight guy who got taken over by agp, there is a big difference.

If I was a regular heterosexual when I was a kid, that means I can be that once more.
I need to find a good, open minded therapist who will help me on my journey of curing agp.

>>8344083
Yeah good luck with that, agp has been a part of your sexuality since the beginning so it's practically same as gay conversion therapy.

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>>8344083
>nd Blanchard belives agp can be treated.

h o w

>>8344083
>Small sign of agp was there, but nothing important.
What were they?

Which ages were the different points in your puberty?

>>8344096
Agp has been a PART of my sexuality, not all. I belive I can lower its power significantly and maintain it all my life.
If I stop with the maintenance, agp might grow stronger.
>>8344098
Some sort of psychotherapy. I just started researching about curing paraphilias in general. This is very similar.
>>8344111
When I was a small kid, I had some sort of an erotic feeling trying out a skirt.
I know this may sound stupid and kids dont get turned on per se, but the feeling was very similar to what adults call erotic or arousing.

I forgot the specific ages of puberty, it just happened.

>>8344083
just date a boy

>>8344132
When I was a small kid I loved self-bondage

I'm torn between transition and curing agp.
My logic says cure, but my feelings say transition.

>>8345588
you'll find that the cure part is rather difficult to achieve, transition is easy to at least try

>>8345588
Girls never choose logic over their feelings, you're fucked.

>>8345861
It is difficult.
What do you mean try?
If I try and give up, I'll end up having tits and sterility.
It's not worth just trying.
>>8345927
But, I'm still a guy. My brain is testosteroene fueled and thinks in a masculine way.

>>8345927
stop right there you sexist scum! just because Im emotional and irrational doesnt mean Im trans

>tfw just spent another $120 on girl clothes
send help

>>8346692
send pics

>>8346692
>>8347625
You can tell this is an AGP thread, can't you?

>>8347637
what? its totally girly thread, buying cute clothes and all that

>>8324247
>tfw 18
>5'2
>slim (106 lbs)
>really small hands, can easily fit into female sized gloves
s-should I do it?

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Does anyone else fap until they can't and still find themselves mentally "horny" but physically they're spent? Am I describing dysphoria? Like I want to keep enjoying the pleasurable feelings of crossdressing etc. long after my dick has lost interest.
>>8347625
n-no...
please bully

>>8347807

Well, it's now or never (or as soon as possible, really).

>>8348258
Cute, now dont forget eating properly with your skittles and you'll gain some femfat and become a real babe

>Does anyone else...
I dont even want to talk about it, can be frustrating as hell
but sometimes I get euphoric happy, I just need more happy chemicals in my brain and someone to love

>>8344083
Even the people who think you can cure AGP thing that adults are fucked and can't be helped. Please don't repress for so long that your body is irreversibly masculinized.

>>8347807
We know you're just asking for a yes.
>>8348258
Yes, I do feel that. I used to have post-orgasm regrets, but they're gone now.
I still have the urge to take skittles even after busting a nut.
>>8348296
>and someone to love
I know that feeling.
I just want to be girly and have someone to fook me and love me

AGP general is up:
>>8351050
>>8351050
>>8351050

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>>8352044
Agp and bi?
What genius put that together?

>>8353606
God.

>>8347807
>18
>6'2 (SIX foot TWO)
>slim (145lbs)
>pretty big hands, womens size 14 (FOURTEEN) shoes

And guess what I'm transitioning. It's not a choice.

>>8324147
AGP makes questioning people ashamed for their desires as they are moderately arousing, but also emotionally fulfilling in a way that nothing else is. Personally, late onset dysphoria made me feel dirty, inherently. I found the definition of AGP at 15 and it described me. I didn't 'want' to be a woman. I'm not incredibly effeminate. As I developed severe depression I felt worthless. I still, at 24, feel worthless. Mostly a result of being a potatoey nonaggressive tranny. AGP is a tranny-killer.

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>>8323824
agp is a symptom of dysphoria, and if you transition, it'll go away

>>8347807
do you really need me to confirm what you already want?

>>8357528
So, have you transitioned or not?
It's not really clear to me what you're saying.
Also,
>Mostly a result of being a potatoey nonaggressive tranny. AGP is a tranny-killer.
What?
>>8357591
I think that's just a perspective on it.
I really doubt it would go away. I would probably end up having really good masturbations, almost on the level of real sex.
>>8357271
>And guess what I'm transitioning. It's not a choice.
It is a choice. With the right therapy and self-development you can lower your desire to transition and appreciate your healthy cis male body.
Transgender identities develop from conditions like agp or other.
If you are careful about it you can prevent that from happening.
You will still have a deep desire that you never fullfiled. It can be reduced.
So, yeah, there is a choice.
I really appreciate that we do have a choice in this day and age, but don't let anyone convince you we don't.
Browsing this board can really convince you that there is no choice.
That's just bitter hons that were too afraid to transition earlier.
We need self-reflect and decide.
After that we need to do our best to make our choice happen.
The bitter hons didn't decide anything, they were just suppressing it.

I'm considering to come out as an agp and asking my family for support in finding a good therapist who would work with me.

This is different than suppressing it.
I will be open about it with others and myself. I just choose not to react upon it and be consumed by it.

>>8358054
Good luck turning into a hon in 20 years, then.

>>8358107
Autogynephilia is just a paraphilia, no different than others.
The only difference between pedos and agps is that pedos hurt children, while we hurt ourselves.

>>8358125
I don't think that's quite correct, even pre-HRT AGP brains show subtle differences from controls (though they're not structurally "female").

>>8358133
It's not quite correct, but it's a good comparison.

>>8323824
just do it, it's fun
HRT gives you soft squishy skin and bewbs
take bicalutamide if you're worried about fertility

so you were an autistic gay pornstar????......Details plz

>>8358152
I'm sure heroin is a lot of fun too, does that mean I should do it?
Taking hrt is not just fun and memes, there are tons of drawbacks and problems that we must face.

>>8358054
good luck and please post your progress and what comes out of it, I need a cure myself

>>8358152
I already have soft squishy skin as a male and no desire for bitchtits (not OP lol).

>>8359227
I will not start doing it heavily soon, so I will not post any progress soon.
I currently have other life issues to focus on and after that I can properly tackle my agp.
I will most likely make a blog about it and post the link on this board.

>>8359237
Boobies are awesome, how dare you question our teachings. This is blasphemy.

>>8357528
>AGP makes questioning people ashamed for their desires as they are moderately arousing,
No, rejecting Blanchard does that.