HRT without actually being trans

>>8308974
>i-i'm not trans i swear desu

>>8308978
I was gonna say the same thing. Op is a tranny lol.

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>>8308978
>>8308984
It's been a long time questioning myself so i don't care about using labels anymore desu.

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>>8308974
>I just have extreme disgust over masculine traits.

Welcome to dysphoria, hon-chan.

>>8308974
You are no different than /femgen/. The answer is yes.

Also you ARE obsessed with femininity, stop kidding yourself.

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>>8309011
I wish we could all just be like ferris chan nya but unfortunately the world sees male and female and that's it because that is what humans are. So you go for it and pass as a female and function as one in society or you dont pass and become a weird mix trying to find a place in society while tarnishing the medical condition even more. Your choice anon is the gamble worth the risk? Are you confident you will pass? Are you confident you want people treating you like a woman when and if you do? How about when you are a granny? Like I said the choice is yours

>>8308974
You can just go on blockers without taking estrogen supplements, which won't develop breasts noticeably if at all, but it's not recommended as it can cause osteoporosis and other problems in the long term if you don't have a dominant hormone in your body. Using HRT to become androgynous is not unheard of, that said you sound pretty fucking trans dude.
>>8309036
I hate this ''androgynous people tarnish gender dysphoria'' meme. What the fuck does that even mean? People trying to pass as cis want to dissociate from nonbinary people because they're ostracized to an even greater extent? Sounds like creating divisions within a group that's already as marginalized as imaginable.
Society is a virtually endless chain of one group oppressing another oppressing another, top dog to bottom dog all the way down. And here gender non-conforming people are at the bottom of the barrel, lower even than junkies and prostitutes in some places. The only thing we can do is break the cycle.

>>8309151
The only way to break the cycle is to conform anon thats what you don't get. alot of your insecurities are just you not maturing and not realizing that you never grew out of being a child and you call it being queer to pass it off as somthing else its such a funny identity you've built for yourself it's almost sad.

>>8309225
This is exactly what I'm talking about. It is definetely NOT about conforming. Conforming is gay people having to act like they're straight in public in russia. Conforming is repressing. If you're anywhere on the LGBTQ spectrum it's very hypocritical to talk that way, as 90% of people in the world thinks you have a mental illness and that you are a pervert. They don't get to tell you who you are, and you don't get to tell me who I am. And if you think queer people are all delusional peter pan syndrome faggots, what does that change? We're all here now with all our problems, and we have to find a way to embrace whatever we are if we ever hope to be happy.

>>8309225
ew gross pseudophilosophy

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>>8309275
you think normies dont have problems of their own? the reason why normies are considered normal is because they learn when and where to act depending on the current situation. Queers do not fucking understand this concept because they arnt queer they are just fucking immature kids who never figured out how to grow up properly. Transsexuals are normies who just need more time to develop because thier entire bodies got fucked from conception and we are not able to treat that medical condition so that they can re integrate back into society as who they want to be. Queers on the other hand have no fucking clue what they want to be and society and science can't figure it out so they are just left being seen with no solution and become rejects from society.

Why do you think passing trannies are happy? Society recognizes that they are different but they also understand what they went through and were still able to handle the normal day to day stress of a 1st world country as well as thier own personal problems that they overcame. When a normy can relate themself onto someone else who is different then we get treated with respect. Not being a loud and proud fuck who acts like a child who has no clear sense of personality because its constantly changing. Why can't you get this in your head? Oh right you are to immature to comprehend how the real world works.

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>>8308974

>>8309628
By saying that you ignore the people that fight for changes in society (and that have archieved said changes) you basically taking the easy way and saying "well that's life!" so your definition of maturity is to man up as some people say and just accept the way things are

>>8309628
This doesn't even answer my post. You just assumed I said normies don't have problems (which is some ''what about mens rights!!!!'' tier bullshit), reiterated your last post, and then went off on a series of strawman arguments about who's happy or authentic or not, which is 100% your opinion since you're not in other people's heads. And stop pretending you're being scientific. Your definition of transgenderism is in no way widely accepted or even empirically verifiable. Psychology still knows fuckall about the mind and how identity is formed.

>>8309646
Now I'm wondering what the life of twinks are after they're no longer young and attractive
Any insight? I'm genuinely curious

>>8310200
I don't know but I'm scared. My dysphoria is manageable right now but once i start balding and looking all rugged I might go crazy. I don't want to transition because I feel like no one'll love me then and I'll be an ugly/average girl instead of a pretty boi ;-;

>>8310200
>>8310225
https://youtu.be/o_1aF54DO60

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>>8310347
>tfw no lana gf

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>>8309668
This is not the correct way to push society in the proper direction

>what about mens rights!!!!'
>last post, and then went off on a series of strawman arguments

way to go and be a hipocrit and assume normines are only men lol really shows your supposed wider view on how society works.
>stop pretending you're being scientific. Your definition of transgenderism is in no way widely accepted or even empirically verifiable. Psychology still knows fuckall about the mind and how identity is formed.

http://www.functionalneurology.com/materiale_cic/389_XXIV_1/3373_sexual/

heres some sources for you to open your goddamn head fuck off you idiot who thinks they know what transsexualism is and equates it to being queer seriously you are the reason why people like me can't fully move on with their life.

>>8310200
We transition to twinkhons

>>8310415
I didn't say all normies are men, I was comparing your attittude of ''hurr normies have problems too'' to MRA rhetoric. The article you linked talks in length about how set in stone gender identity is, which backs up my point about queer people having to embrace their condition even if it's a ''disorder''. I didn't equate queerness and transgenderism either. They're clearly distinct predicaments. I'm just saying you don't get to decide if queer people exist, you fucking nazi. Again you're showing yourself totally incapable of correctly reading my posts.

>>8310415
Why the fuck cant you move on with your life because of queer people hahaha like close your eyes like walk away from the screen

>>8310503
Because your very rhetoric of what queer is means transsexuals are queer and society hates queer people. I don't know why you guys exist i know you do there just is no scienctific articles about it right now. What i hate is the entire queer movement equating thier identities with transsexualism when it's a completely different fucking case but since you guys won't give up you make society think transsexuals are just as degenerate as you. Thats what I can't stand about you people. It has nothing to do with being a fucking nazi it has to do with knowing the clear distinction that you guys just dont understand.

>>8308974
Bicalutamide and raloxifene seems like it would be a good way to deal with this, but you unfortunately said that that would be too expensive. Maybe you could try to get health insurance to cover it?

>>8310513
why are you putting me in the same boat as them though? I'm not an SJW I just like being androgynous. I am a degenerate though, you got me. You do know ''degeneracy'' is literally national socialist rhetoric though, right? Anyhow, thanks for the heated debate, I feel sort of alive for once :)

>>8310515
Raloxifene prevents breast development but I heard it also prevents other things like the paler, softer skin and fat redistribution

>>8310525
i think im just so frustrated about what sjws say about me that is just completely untrue and they make people think we are all retarded sjws....

>>8310515
Not them but also realise that the human body needs an adequate level of one sex hormone or the other in order to properly function

>>8310532
I totally get that. It took me years of repression to come to terms with who I am, especially since so many things about my identity make me a huge cliché, but it's life. You can't live with all that resentment.

>>8310531
It does cause a female-typical fat distribution, although the effect upon facial fat is unknown. It likely would cause a female-typical skeletal structure if started early enough. Its other effects upon feminization are unknown.
>>8310533
Raloxifene is pro-estrogenic in the proper tissues needed to avoid the adverse effects of (essentially) no sex hormones upon mood, cognition, bone mineral density, and lipid profile. It is sometimes used for this purpose in patients with prostate cancer that are given bicalutamide.

>>8308974
NO
the end

there are many adverse and side effects of the meds, hepatoxicty alone is not worth it
and you wont enjoy mental and physical changes either, testosterone is great for your body

>>8308974

>I just have extreme disgust over masculine traits.
>i don't need my dick


bad news m8, you are trans

>>8309036
I honestly love the idea of being a granny and not fitting in.

>>8310693
NO HE'S NOT TRANS, HE'S A FEMBOY! STOP TAKING OUR NUMBERS AWAY!!!

>>8308974
Are you AGP?

>>8310555
if i start in my early 20s i guess the only thing still flexible is my hip bones?
>>8310927
femboys enjoy their masculine traits to some extent too from my understanding. I'm the same as OP for everything else except I love my dick.

>>8309015
fuk you just triggered me into thinking i have dysphoria (not op)

>>8308974
>- Erectile dysfunction - Sex is overrated (already tried), i don't need my dick, i hate the sensation of using it, desu i feel no pleasure from it.
>- Long term health problems - I can just kill myself later, i don't want to get old anyway.
You're 18. Don't be retarded and give yourself such limits now. HRT is not for non-trannies. "Femboys" on HRT are not really femboys, they are just trannies.

>- Boobs - These are the only problem so far, i don't know how to deal with them and i don't think i have money for raloxifen.
You do NOT want to take hrt if you do not want tits.

>>8311459
does just the fact that someone takes HRT make them trans or is it if they enjoy all the effects, including the change in sex drive and growing breasts?

>>8311475
If one is purposefully taking opposite gender hormones to feminize one's body (or masculinize one's body if one is female) then one is a tranny.

>>8311481
But what about the femboys wanting partial feminization by taking bicalutamide and raloxifene?

>>8311487
First of all, those aren't femboys. TruFemboys™ are naturally effeminate young men and NOT on hrt as that is for trannies.

Moving on, even if your particular cocktail is designed to preserve the delicious flat chest of a natural femboy you will still have gross feminized hips and other issues that do absolutely 100% make you a TRANNY if you take the hrt.

>>8311509
So, femboys with big hips are not true femboys?

>>8311550
Having NATURAL big hips is fine, but a femboy who takes hormones stops being a femboy and becomes a tranny.

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>>8312019
Not him but i don't fully understand this.

What if the femboy just want to be feminine because he is attracted by aesthetics? Female bodies are more delicate and can be "worked with" to put like that. Male bodies are "rough". In other words, female bodies are for vain people and male bodies are suited for heavy work and utility, sacrifying delicacy and cuteness.

In that case you can say they're trannies because they want a "girly body". But what if they really like their dick and don't want to be treated as a female?

>>8312019
It is not known if the SERM toremifene causes a person to have a female-typical fat distribution. If it were indeed the case that it did not, then if a femboy had started treatment with bicalutamide and toremifene after the growth plates for the bones had fused, then would the person be a true femboy?

>>8308984
Fuck you. He's gnc you twat.
Op don't be foolish, since you don't have body dysmorphia as it manifests in trans people you're better off getting some therapy and lasering hair.

Having relatively high oestrogen levels doesn't cease or greatly reduce bodyhair associated with ethnicity fyi

Sources: am bio female with mild hirsutism BC genes

>>8312313
You gendershits sicken me. You just want to perpetuate oppressive gender roles and are alarmingly brazen about it.

Op don't listen to these creeps. Don't fuck with your body needlessly-but try to understand the factors that trigger dysphoria such as being around misogynistic kinksters on 4ch. Remove toxic influences and you will see improvement.

Good luck to you

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>>8313317
Lmao are you triggered, hon?

>You just want to perpetuate oppressive gender roles and are alarmingly brazen about it.

Are you retarded or something like that? That's how the fucking society is and no ammount of "triggered" and crying will change it.
Welcome to the real world, sjw hon. I hope you're ready to carry weight and work at the machines tomorrow with your big manly arms.

Also for OP: Most the these trannies are crazy as hell and acts like >>8313317 with autism and anger. Don't get involved. Stick with your testosterone and opress the retards.

>>8310687
mental changes are just a meme. Estrogen acts as a mild antidepressant though by modulating things like serotonin and dopamine though. But everything else purported by people have no proof, it's just placebo.

>>8313894
Hepatoxicty is still real, and increased cancer disk is not a meme, altrough trannies have the same chances of developing cancer as someone that smokes like i'm doing now at 3am.

But doesn't T has the same antidepressant effect as E?

>>8313894
>mental changes are just a meme.

sauce

>>8313894
>mental changes are just a meme.
Nope, I wasn't feminine and girly acting at all before transition and never tried hiding anything either and now i'm girly and act like women I know without even realizing. It's kinda scary actually.

>Estrogen acts as a mild antidepressant though by modulating things like serotonin and dopamine though
Honestly I feel more depressed....I guess just comes with the trans territory.

>>8313894
Is it even possible for those structural changes to happen to the brain without there being SOME mental changes?

>>8308974

Your stance looks awkward. Try moving your feet closer together and bending your knees inward from your hips

>>8308974
Here are the facts.

Once growing your body hair wont stop growing but it will get thinner with time on hormones. This makes it slightly less noticeable but it also makes it impossibly hard to remove it with laser.

Your fat distribution wont ever change dramatically unless you lose weight in which case it has more to do with weight loss. The hormone estrogen actually promotes fat retention which will make it harder to burn calories and might make your belly even fatter than before. Muscle mass might decrease slightly as well but you have as much chance of it going to your gut as anywhere else.

Hair and skin wont significantly improve and still require maintenance to look good.

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I'm in similar place as you, OP, except I've already been on hrt for a month now.
I'm probably making a huge mistake but I feel like not doing hrt would be even worse than doing it.
Atleast I'm making myself more attractive to some small percentage of guys, r-right?

>>8315508
did you get meemed into taking skittles or you really have dysphoria over your male features?

anything happend to you in this month at all?

>>8315594
You can get meemed into taking skittles?
You're talking about self-medding, right?

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>>8315594
I hate my masculine feautures and dislike the thought of leading my life as a man. I wouldn't say I'm trans level dysphoric either so I probably mostly just got memed into it.
Turning anymore masculine scares me honestly and I want to prevent it even at the scary cost.
Have had only minor physical changes so far and some few mood swings that may or may not had been caused by hrt.

>>8315640
All femboys (lots of MtFs too) selfmed since only few counties have 'informed consent' where you get HRT right away just by claiming to be dysphoric

>>8315645
Do you really want to be a limp-wristed tranny who cries at every opportunity instead of a respectable handsome strong man?
Then dont forget to have blood tests in few months and take vitamins and you should be ok

>>8315645
How can someone get memed into hrt?
I'm new to /lgbt/ so if someone can explain, please do so.
Btw, I am a tranny, but not on hrt, yet.

>>8315681
I'm planning to self-med, since I'm in a weird position.

Does anyone know can informed consent clinics work cross-EU? There's none where I live, so I'm wondering if I can go to another country for a week and get it.

Hi, im new here. I came from a german imageboard, but it isnt really visited (?). My English is pretty bad, but i got a question to you.

Im Crossdresser, and wanna know if gay people also like mans who wanna treat (?) like a girl. I only had petting with some hetero guys (2 random stranger, and i surprised my best friend when we were high).

I dont take hormones, but here are my newest pics as a girl.

Hope i get request

Nala :3

>>8315729
Post in >>>/lgbt/gaygen and >>>/lgbt/mascgen if you want gay guys to see your posts

>>8315686
You'll be told all the time to get on Tblockers before its too late and you irreversably turn into masc beast with fatal consequences

https://my.mixtape.moe/bszhaq.webm

>>8315693
Im not even aware if informed consent exists in EU, every major country has crazy gatekeeping.
You might go to Turkey or Poland and just buy any meds for low prices with no prescriptions lol.

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>>8315686
You get jealous at pics of all the 10/10 femboys and traps, start feeling jealous, inferior and inadequate and eventually start subconsciously believing that the only way anyone can ever find you attractive is if you look like one of them so you start doing your best to get the closest you can even through the means of hormones.
Combined with the fact that on anonymous imageboards noone cares about your personality and looks are the only thing that matters you start taking a priority in your looks and completely forget that this is not what relationships are about.
The more time you spend on the internet the more delusional you get. Browsing 4chan but especially this board is not healthy.
Also, this:
>>8315742

>>8308974
>is it worth to do this?
Yes, it will help you realise that you are trans.

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>>8315729
Sry forgot Pic =(

>>8315747
I guess this is what I need. I've known for a long time I should take hrt. I'm 20 and a coward, so I guess I should get memed into it.
>>8315742
I am gonna turn into a masculine beast if I don't start asap.
I live in Croatia. There is an informed consent clinic in Genova, Italy.
Also, I can buy hormones without prescriotion in Bosnia, but I'm afraid to cross the border with them (maybe I'm just a giant wuss).

How many femboys take full dose of hrt?
I'm wondering how can they even pass as males if they do.

>>8313865

Fully agreed.

While i agree that oppressive gender role are still reproduced by this kind of behaviours, it's a non sense to shame dysphoric or trans people. Some feminists want to kill gender roles NOW.

Sorry that's not possible. Structures changes slowly and you will never see a world without gender role before you die. That's sad. But most of all, structural changes need structural fights. Blaming people individually will not help. You will just blame and ashame people that already suffer a lot.

>>8315841
>How many femboys take full dose of hrt?
Most of them + raloxifene to avoid tits.

>I'm wondering how can they even pass as males if they do.
They keep wandering in the society looking for a place for them because they don't fit as a girl or as a boy

Then they do one of these:
>Start dressing as girl and go fulltime
>Off themselves
>Get a job at wallmart and live their pathetic lifes aging like a failed hybrid, then probably off themselves later.

>>8313894
HRT litterally reshapes the brain to resemble that of a womans, like a cis female brain structurally is identical to a trans womans brain after 2 years HRT. I imagine that causes mental changes... but who knows maybe its all aplacebo.

>>8316680
I would never want to avoid tits.
The thing is, I need to hide my transition for a while, can this be done?
I live in a place where people got no idea about trans-ness, they would just give me some weird stares, I guess.

How well could a 20yo on hrt pass as a male? I guess a sports bra would help, but what about other things?
I'm already not very masculine.

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>>8317711
What is your objective? If you're trans and want to hide your transition while you try to get independent or cut contacts or something like that:

Yeah this can be done EASILY in the first months, maybe up to the 6-8 month depending on your genetics. As far as i remember after a long time in this board:

>During the first year you will get a softer skin and tits.
Tits can be hidden with a sports bra, but don't let them discover it. If they notice your tits they will just think you're a guy with gyno

>How well could a 20yo on hrt pass as male?

Depends highly on your genetics and if you're putting effort on makeup and this kind of things. However after some time with HRT, you will not look as a boy and it would be better to go fulltime than look like an androgenous hybrid.

And the most important, don't rely on trying to hide your transition, someday it will fail if you have the genetics.

>>8316757
What the fuck is scientifical? Not trying to sound ofensive but this sounds like what a hon/susan member would say to bait people. Aren't the mood swings dependent on your hormone levels? Estrogen makes you more sensible while T makes you an angry ape, right?

Also, OP, you're just a crossdresser faggot, go suck some dick asap and find a bf, when you hit the gay death, be a successfull male and keep living.

>>8308974
>"poisoned with t"
>"not a tranny"
ok anon i believe you

>>8318576
Yeah, I'm trans and trying to transition asap before I get any manlier.
I think I have the right genes to be a good looking tranny, so I guess my passing as a male will be hard.

I'm starting my transition after summer and I'm hoping to hide it for a year. Even from my parents, I live with them. Is this too hard?

I've been thinking about coming out before, but, if they know about it they will notice the changes and might strongly pressure me into quitting or straight up kick me out of the house (I doubt that one, but still).

I live in a place where you need around a year to get hrt legally.

So, the question is:
> should I hide it and prevent futrher masculinisation?
> or should I come out and make my family slowly accept me, wait multiple years for hrt and all this bs?
I think I should just grab those "about to shrink" balls and start hrt asap.

>>8317711
>>8318576
Most /mtfg/ don't have a problem with passing they have a problem with still looking male after years. If you minimize caloric intake and work out you will be able to mask your gyno.

>>8320271
Interesting. I will definitely work out to avoid getting fat.
Then again, chubby "guys" can get away with having bigger gyno.
I have a fat friend who also has really bad gynecomastia. His manboobs are huge, you wouldn't belive it.
He doesn't get much attention for it, but we do sometimes make fun of him.

>>8315729
>wanna know if gay people also like mans who wanna treat (?) like a girl.
wanna know if gay guys also like men who want to be treated like a girl

i think most gay men are interested in dating men, not men who look like women


but you germans are some kinky fuckers so im sure you will find guys who like you easily :)

>>8318576
>after some time with HRT, you will not look as a boy
i wish

>>8320213
If you're going to start HRT do it ASAP. The sooner you get started the better the final result.

>>8320593
Do you think that self-medding and hiding it for a year or two is a good idea?
I still live with my parents and I can't afford both moving out and hrt.
If I come out and they don't accept me, they will notice the changes of my secret self-medding.
If not, I might be able to get away with it. They are clueless about trans people.

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>>8320593
is it possible to modify hormones naturally? I'm 20, pretty tall and underweight. I've just started to realize how I never feel like myself when I try to act masculine
My goal is to basically look like a girl, I'd be happy just being able to pass as feminine though. dont really care about having tits or not. I've been changing my diet and exercising, plus some antiandrogens, but can that stuff work on its own?
or should i be taking hrt, estradiol or something? If theres some option thats remotely cheap and/or wouldnt need a prescription I'd probably do it. I wanna start as soon as I can if that's what I should be doing. I'd have to self med also but I'm not too worried about it, I've always had long hair and shit so it wouldnt be a huge change i dont think.

>>8320693
cut your balls off

>>8320693
Take full hrt, andro blockers and estradiol.
I still don't understand why would someone who wants to be feminine not want boobies.
Boobies are awesome.

>>8320661
It's up to you but the earlier you start the better you'll look in the end. It's also possible your parents won't react as badly as you think. Sometimes you see posters say they put off HRT because they were afraid of their parents, only to find out their parents weren't so bad and could have started earlier. Of course some parents do kick their trans kids out so it's a risk.

If you're really worried about your parents waiting a year would probably not be the end of the world, then you might be able to go a year before your parents confront you. You'll have to judge your own situation and make your own choice, but if you don't think you can get away with starting now, I'd try to keep the wait as short as possible. Start now if you think you could get away with it long enough to have an exit plan in place.

>>8320720
would anti-a and estradiol alone have a noticable effect? from what I've seen hrt seems like the hardest of those to get..
I liked the idea of being a femboy for a while, but I think I'd be happier if I could identify as a girl.
boobies would be a nice bonus of course but a cutting board chest wouldnt bother me

>>8320781
I really want to start now, so badly.
I have a plan to start a small business, I have a pretty good idea. The thing is, I need to invest a lot of money (it's a lot for me at least) to do it. I shouldn't half ass it.
I assume when they find out about my self-medding, they're not gonna kick me out, that doesn't seem like them at all.

I'll start hrt later this year, fuck it.

>>8320804
Yes, hrt will have a noticable effect. You can identify as whatever you want.
If you choose the femboy, people will eventually start noticing that you're not just a regular gay guy.

I'm personally gonna go for the femboy first and girl after. It's what I think would work for my life.

>>8320815
Good luck with the business and HRT/transition. I hope it all works out.

>>8320895
Thanks. If I build my bussiness and transition, I'm set, it's all I need for now.
I will have enough money to cover all trans problems.

>>8320820
I'll end up going through the femboy phase no matter what, I just hope I don't regret not starting hrt sooner.. are you on hormones?

>>8320948
That sounds like a great plan. I hope it goes well for you!

>>8320693
>is it possible to modify hormones naturally?
cutting your balls off is the only "natural" way to decrease testosterone by any significant amount, but that won't increase estrogen. you need to take hrt if you want to look like a girl.

>>8320956
Both of those posts are from me.
Thanks.
I am not on hormones now. I will start self-medding after this summer. I will also go through the femboy phase to make sure people get used to me being feminine more.

How old are you?
I'm 20 and I still think I will pass due to my beta male genes.

>>8317711
Can you grow facial hair? It can hide the changes in muscle near your jaw as well as the baby-but skin.

Big, baggy shirts make your shoulders look bigger and your boobs less prominent.

That's what I do.

>>8321044
I can grow facial hair, it just doesn't look good.
I already have somewhat of a baby-butt skin.
How big and baggy are we talking about?
For how long have you been on hrt?

>>8321031
I'm also 20 and that sounds a lot like what I'm trying to do.
I've always been kinda twinky but never tried to emphasize a feminine look. used to be mistaken for a girl when I had really long hair so maybe growing it out again and crossdressing could be enough to pass?. I guess I do have really beta traits too

I'm still on the fence about supplements though. I posted earlier about it but I'm just trying a better diet and using spearmint tea for androgen right now

>>8318576
>What the fuck is scientifical? Not trying to sound ofensive but this sounds like what a hon/susan member would say to bait people. Aren't the mood swings dependent on your hormone levels? Estrogen makes you more sensible while T makes you an angry ape, right?

scientifical wut... never used that word... Wasnt saying T or estrogen causes specific traits i was simply pointing out that HRT causes the brain to literally transform because it is extremely plastic. I would imagine that might change your mood and personality... Never implied or said anything more.. not sure what you are trying to pull here.

>>8321063
Six weeks
I am 173 pounds and I am using shirts from when I was 232 pounds. You could probably get away with smaller sizes. Hoodies also help for the same reason.

>>8321116
I will go full hrt. It's because I dont want to just be feminine. I want to be a woman. I will hide in male clothes for a while, but womanhood is really what I want.

I've also never tried to emphasize my feminine look.
I really love my beta maleness. Guys often say I throw like a girl.

>>8321145
Cool. We'll see how it will work when you get to 10 months.
I'm wondering if I can hide it for a really long time.

>>8321152
I guess I'm really aiming to look like a trap more or less.. I wanna have long hair and actually look feminine, I guess that's just being a hardcore femboy though? It's mostly about feeling feminine for me since I'm happier like that.
it's hard to say exactly what I want, I wish i had my mind made up like you do

I can never seem to change how I look which is worrying cause I've been trying to build a more feminine lower body. I'm not even very weak I think it's most likely metabolism / being tall.

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>>8321257
Hrt will feminise you enough.
Tbh, I don't really care about identity per se, I just wanna be feminine and beautiful.
Something like this.

>>8321124
I'm not trying to pull anything freund, i'm just curious because the brain "literally transforming physically" sounds interesting, and as i'm not a cientist or doctor i've never heard of brains changing their form after the person is 21.

In my understanding the brain itself does not change, and your mood is entirely dependant on your hormones levels and chemicals (Just like low levels of dopamine makes you depressed)

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>>8310949
Not him/her but if i consider myself AGP and cant find pleasure in sex if not anal sex, is it a good idea to transition?

>>8325187
I don't think what you say is enough to tell if transition is a good idea or not. It's not enough that you automatically should just from that. You can have anal sex without transition with a guy or pegged by a girl.

>>8322827
Not them but mental changes are literally a meme. I've been on hrt for 3 years I don't suddenly think like a girl it sounds like some agp tranny fetish. Same with orgasms, height changes, foot and hand changes why do mtfs spread such bullshit hrt does really do anything at the end of the day unless

1) you already look like a girl

2) are a manlet with a glass jaw

3) start so early your development is like a cis female.

>>8325222
Yes that should make me a gay cis male, however i can relate to op and i don't like looking like a man at all, not even while masturbating: i shave my entire body and use makeup so i can feel better. But apparently this is a sign of AGP so i'm afraid to take wrong steps in life.

>>8326815
Even Blanchard thought that AGPs should transition.

>>8330102
No, he thought some should, if their dysphoria was bad enough. He didn't that being AGP necessarily meant you should transition.

>>8330102
Blanchard was a cunt.

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>>8330107
>>8330155
>>8330102
Do people really follow hxm and was hx a Reliable person on the subject?