Islamophobia

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Step 1: wait until Muslims stop throwing gays and trans people off buildings and otherwise treating us like shit.
Step 2: make the argument that Muslims are our allies.

>>8256194
I don't think it's massively present.
For the most part LGBT people are intelligent and very aware people.
The minority of uneducated poorfags who hold islamophobic views are irrelevant.

>>8256282
Aren't not are

>>8256282
I disagree. Sure, we're better than right-wing or Christian communities, but when you compare the LGBT community to other progressive, left-wing and feminist movements we contain far too many Islamophobic voices.

I bet you all approve of the faggot holocaust in Chechnya too

>>8256290
Unfortunately the LGBT community isn't a progressive or left-wing community.
It's made up of... well every conceivable race and creed of person on the planet.
We are for the most part progressive lefties, dare I say liberal.
The hateful and ignorant minority of self loathers who hold "right-wing" or regressive views rarely leave their houses so they don't matter.

>>8256194
I'll stop being islamophobic when Saudi Arabia, Iran and Egypt legalize gay marriage.

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I'll just leave this here...

>>8256379
muh strawman

>>8256379
>pink sign with flowers
clearly this muslim man was very very deep in the closet and mentally unstable thanks to decades of religious indoctrination.

It is a shame that such things are still a reality for many muslim men and women in the year 2017.

>>8256194
How the fuck they are our allies? If they won't stop suicidal-bomber attacks, screaming about killing us all, forcing sharia laws, raping childer, fucking goats, acting like apes - this topic is irrevelant.

>>8256194
It's simple.
We remove islam.
Cann't be islamophobic when islam no longer exists.

>>8256761
I agree.
Remove kebab.

>>8256852
Remove islam
keep kebab tho

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>>8256194
OP and his critics both need to shut the fuck up and watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9rTbh4a57o

Islamaphobia is a misnomer. The more you read about and understand Islam you will understand it is the worst thing for the LGBT community. Muslims will side with the LGBT community as long as it serves their only purpose and that is to proselytize Islam throughout the world. You cannot look at individual Muslims but the ideology of Islam. Ultimately that is all that will matter. If you regard the LGBT community you cannot support Islam.

>>8256968
see >>8256921

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>>8256194

>>8256194
It literally states in the Quran to kill homosexuals. Why do you think so many gays get thrown off of roofs in Muslim countries? They are a danger to our community!

>>8256194
We don't. Best thing to do is push these goat fuckers back into the desert shitholes of the middle east, then bath them all in atomic fire until they and the soil beneath them are reduced to glass.

>>8256282
lol wut? The community has been filled with Islamophobes before it was even cool

>>8256968
So what makes you think they'll succeed in proselytizing everyone? They have been in the West for decades now and there isn't any big number of converts anywhere.

>>8256968

This right here. They are using LGBT lefties to preach tolerance and thereby increase the spread of Islam. Once they have sizeable numbers in western countries they are going to drop us both figuratively and quite literally.

Any muslims care to explain; qisas, slavery and woman's rights?

There's a good reason people have Islamaphobia since their holy books don't teach peace, love and turning the other cheek you know.

When taken literally, you get extremists. If you look at how Muhammad structured Islam, it's been militarized to aid in the expansion of Muslim beliefs through conflict and spoils of war.

Did you know that non-muslims are second class citizens? Or it's ok of Muslims to lie to non-muslims?

Even though every Muslim I've ever met has been a good person, the religion is terrible, not to be trusted and full of hate and violence.

Fuck Islam and fuck Muhammad, the false prophet of god.

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>>8257207

>>8256194
Shias forcefully convert gays in trannies. They are /tttt/'s greatest ally.

Liberals and Muslims have only one goal in common: destroy the current Western Civ. They diverge completely once this goal is met. One wants to build another horrific communist society, and the other want to install global Sharia law.

I can't imagine which will be worse for the LGBT, as neither tolerate that. Honestly LGBT need to assimilate into straight society and put an end to this political insanity.

>>8257155
They don't need to convert large numbers really. They'll just breed everyone else into a minority then once they are the plurality they will just use their political power to crush everyone

>>8257269
I'm a liberal and I don't want to destroy Western Civilization.
I want to strengthen it.
The reason I support allowing Muslims to immigrate is not because I want to import hate.
It is because I believe that they will become more tolerant of us if they live among us and become our friends and neighbors.
Keeping them isolated is just going to make them more brainwashed and crazy.

>>8257317
>I believe that they will become more tolerant of us if they live among us
We've been trying the hugs and kisses stuff. It's not working. Terrorist attacks have been so common in Europe they're hardly news. Time to lose the carrot and bring in the stick.

>>8257317
>It is because I believe that they will become more tolerant of us if they live among us and become our friends and neighbors.

Explain how taking a small percentage of the Libyan population in over here will improve relations back home? People running from those shitholes aren't going to go back and spread the news. If they even tried that they'd be punished for apostasy.

Liberals can't understand that the Western brand of Islam is so radically different than that in the Middle East. The shit over there is totally incompatible with our morals that I question if liberals even have hard morals sometimes. Oh, I'm sure they feel like they have good intentions. But I'm talking about morals which force you to make hard choices, like turning people away for the sake of preserving something fundamental to our existence as a people.

They also can't seem to fathom that taking in refugees here doesn't somehow decrease the population over there. The vacuum created by the leaving refugees will only be filled by their higher reproduction rates, filled with more people who will grow up to hate/stone LGBT people.

So no matter how many people we take in, we'll never make a dent in their culture. Liberals have to accept they're not the global moral authority. This planet is huge and we should do whatever we can to preserve our corner where our values can exist, instead of averaging it out with extremist ideologies.

See this for a similar idea, but with poverty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

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By reading furry immigrant Muslim gay romance.

>>8257317
>It is because I believe that they will become more tolerant of us if they live among us and become our friends and neighbors.
How well did your idea work out in Germany, France, Sweden and UK?

>>8257350
Holy shit. I have never expected such an intelligent comeback on 4chan.

>>8257403
The grand experiment isn't over.
Give it some time and stop trying to polarize everyone just because you're afraid you can't compete.
The white race isn't going to die out.
Albinos are a fairly common mutation.

>>8257429
kek go back to 9fag you blood-belching cunt and qq moar

>>8257429
That's because most 4chan boards are hugboxes which won't allow dissent from the popular beliefs held on that board. At least this place won't outright shadowban/delete posts of that nature, unlike other sites that won't be mentioned.

>>8257317
>It is because I believe that they will become more tolerant of us if they live among us and become our friends and neighbors.
Please be baiting. Nobody can have so much shit in his head. (sorry if I misgendered you)

>>8257489
You have shit in your head.
Not sorry if you're a cunt.

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>associating ourselves with terrorist
No.

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>>8257535
Show me a single case where a huge muslim community was successfully integrated into Western society.

>>8256968

>. Muslims will side with the LGBT community as long as it serves their only purpose and that is to proselytize Islam throughout the world.

That describes /pol/ just as well. Remember when they pretended to give a shit about us after Pulse?

>>8257552
>That describes /pol/ just as well.
>not allowing them to marry equals executing them

>>8257558
Forget it. These useful idiots are so far gone. They've been programmed just to hate Christianity for no reason whatsoever and love Islam. They'll never once reflect on where these feelings came from, or how they're being used to fuel something beyond their imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VUniibtAlU

>>8257551
>a huge muslim community

that isn't what is happening

>>8257567
>over 1.000.000 muslim refugees in Germany alone in one year
>not a huge community


The US is taking in 1 million legal immigrants per year. Germany has four times less inhabitants.

>>8256379
So true.
>>8256194
Literally how are Muslims allies of gays? They still execute gays in most Muslim countries.

Don't fall for the "White supremacy is the source of all earthly problems. t. liberal Columbia professor" meme

>>8256194
There's no such thing as islamophobia. That's just a buzzword created to attempt to censor criticisms of the religion. I'm sure Christians are probably fuming at the thought they didn't cone up with something so clever first.
Islam is a religion, Muslims are not a race, it's 100% a choice to be a Muslim and if they're not comfortable handling criticisms for their choices then that's their own damn fault.

>>8257317
God, you're naive. There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. They're not isolated. YOU'RE isolated. YOU live in a little pro-lgbt bubble that doesn't even make up half of the West. And somehow you believe 1400 years of Islamic fundamentalism is going to cave to your little gay acceptance movement that's been going on for... what? about 15-25 years now?

Who will recondition whom? My money is on the Muslims.

Muslim lesbian here (it only says so in my passport, I don't believe in God). Want to clarify that the recent mindset of the Islamic world can not go hand in hand with the lgbt community. It's just not going to happen without any drastic changes. Trust me. My mother found out and it made her depressed. She can't sleep at night. My dad has headaches 24/7 because of it. However, I would like to clarify that before they never were anti-gay before they exposed me. They both migrated at a later time in their lives to Europe. They didn't even know what homosexuality was before they came here to Europe.

Younger people growing up in muslim families in western countries tend to be pro-lgbt, but only if they're not regular mosque visiters (generally speaking). Problem is, younger generations suddenly became more active in praciticing their religion than older generations. I think they do this as a way to "rebel" against the western society they live in. They force themselves into this mindset that all western people dislike them and they will only have friends of their own ethnicity or religion. Basically, they fuel their own hatred against all things western. That is not a good thing at all obviously, especially with regards to gays.

There has been a recent rise in conservatism in the muslim world which makes it even harder for gay muslims to live a normal life. I would like to argue that education is key. Growing up inside of an "active" religious family makes people ignorant and oblivious of their surroundings. Fighting fire with fire is only going to make Islam's homophobia worse. It will simultaneously make the lgbt communities' islamophobia worse. Muslims aren't going to leave anytime soon. That is why it is important that we (lgbt community) as a part of western society stay progressive, liberal and tolerant, yet critical.

It makes me sad that Islam is the most homophobic entity in the world, because I can't live a normal life now.

>>8257691
>it's 100% a choice to be a Muslim
You would think this is the case, but a lot of Muslims have this mindset that when you are born inside of a muslim family, you remain muslim for life. I actually identify as an atheist, but because my parents identify as muslim and because we are an ethnicity that is for the majority muslim, the community I live in will see and treat me as a muslim. i.e. the moment you are born you're being slapped on a muslim label that you will never get rid of.

>>8257725
That's great but how is accommodating someone's delusions and complete lack of understanding about what a religion is any of my problem? It doesn't give me any more reason to accept someone just because they somehow got it in their mind that there's some biological mechanism making them believe a specific religion.
Religious people have come up with pseudoscience quackery for centuries yet only now is it somehow the world's responsibility to accommodate this? No thanks.

>>8257725
>the community I live in will see and treat me as a muslim
Not if you aggressively signal your atheism somehow!

>>8257760
Do you want her to be peacefully beheaded? Even liberal reddit/r/exmuslim warns you to not bring yourself into danger by telling others that you are an atheist.

>>8257753
No, I agree. I actually think Islam should accommodate to the world. Look at the Vatican, at last they're becoming more progressive.

>>8257760
Most muslims around me including my parents know I don't believe in God. Problem is that basically a lot of Muslims themselves treat islam as an ethnicity, not as a religion. I know it sounds crazy but it's true. Christians only define themselves as Christians if they do religious activities. Muslims will define themselves as Muslims even if they live a western lifestyle which includes sleeping with multiple people, eating pork, drinking, etc.

>>8257769
I can be an atheist if I want to, I just can't be gay.

>>8256194
The same way we fight Christianophobia in our community
We don't

>>8256194
> How do we convince LGBTs that muslims are our allies?
How do we convince Jews that the nazis are their allies?

>>8257786
This guy has a point. It's not that we should convince lgbts that muslims are our allies, but we have to convince muslims that lgbts are their allies.

>>8257725
>a muslim label that you will never get rid of.

Unless you separate yourself from the people who maintain it.

>>8256194
Wait until Muslims start beating up, or stoning gay, and bisexual men to death.
Wait until the Iranian compromise is introduced (transition to avoid a death penalty for being gay)
Wait until women would be prohibited from attending school, made to wear a niquab, and prohibited to leave their house without a male escort.
Wait until women are forcibly married on the decisions of their fathers.

Religious extremism should be eradicated. Saudi Arabia should be nuked back to the sand it was a decade ago. Wahhabism should be banned and all true followers should be executed as terrorists.

>>8257862
That's my plan for the long run. I'm not going to stay in this country. I want to move out into another western country with my job as an excuse. (Sadly, I'm still financially independent, but I'm almost done with college)

That way, I will finally have my deserved freedom and get rid of that toxic label.

>>8257341
>We've been trying the hugs and kisses stuff
How delusional are you?

>>8257429
I never expected to see such a leddit response on this board

>>8257551
Bosniaks in St Louis

>>8257771
Why aren't you dead yet? What country are you from?

>>8257896
What makes you think people won't know you're from a Muslim ethnicity?

>>8257700
This is another great response.

I've been saying for years that Americans have literally no concept about the world past their borders. Most of them can't even understand the ratio of 300 million to 7 BILLION people. They can't understand that they're literally nothing on the global scale aside from their military interventions/technological success.

>>8258033
I don't look like your average muslim. My eyes look Asian, I have pale white skin, I don't have a moustache and my accent is from the western country I live in, not from my ethnicity. On top of that, I wear revealing clothes like short skirts and crop tops.

>>8258112
Are you Central Asian?

>>8257350
Bumping this good response

>>8258119
Nope. But that's a good guess. Only my eyes look central Asian, the rest of my physique does not even fit into the caucasian stereotype. People can never quite guess where I'm from.

>>8257896
>(Sadly, I'm still financially independent

>wants to move to a Western country

That Freudian slip. But it's true.

>>8258193
I'm already in a western country, I just want to move away from my family. I don't get how it's a freudian slip.

>>8256194
The LGBT community is one of the few which has good reaaon to be a bit cautious about introducing more religious groups into their countries since most religious ideas on sex are from a time way before STIs were understood and safe sex among gay men must have been an extreme rarity if practiced at all and too often in Muslim majority countries homosexuality is treated as a crime. Also it should be noted that the Muslim faith is both for better and for worse less centralized than Christian faith since Muslims don't have to belong to a clergy to lead a prayer for a large group and there is no figure with as high of standing or influence as a figure like the Catholic pope. This means its potentially more possible to win thr support of one community but there isn't a high ranking figure to aak to help soften anti-gay ideas on a wide scale.
However, I do think there is some real long term benefits to LGBT communities offering support to Muslims in the west to help build respect between our two groups and to start to make possible a friendlier relationship. There have been in the past a number of Muslim countries which have had decent gay rights for their time, like the Ottoman Empire, proving that we aren't incompatible with their ideas and it isn't impossible for us to get along well in the future.
What people in the LGBT community need to accept is that this isn't going to be an easy road, nor is it going to be a short one. In both the short and mid term there are going to be setbacks. More things like the nightclub shooting in Orlando are going to happen and there will be hardliners who try to undermine efforts between our groups with hateful or disgusting propaganda. Humans as a species are just too violent and resistant by nature for it to be otherwise. Rather than to ridicule people who are reasonably afraid of what may happen to them by implying they are hateful we need to let them know we have will protect eachother if things do break down.

>>8258211
It's a Freudian slip because people who want to live in Western countries as they currently are don't want to be financially independent. They want their Big Brother governments to take care of them.

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>>8256194

Hey guys, I just wanted to share a photo of our allies at work, helping out the LGBT community in their homelands. I just cannot believe that there are still ignorant ass holes who don't want this here!

>>8256194
How do we convince muslims to become gay or trans
How do we spot repressed MTF muslims?

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>>8256194

dumb fag

>>8259941
Wow, those fun-loving Muslims are teaching gays how to bungee jump back home! They're so good already they don't even need the cord!

I didn't realize /lgbt/ knew what was up.

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>>8259963
>repressed MTF muslims
Wouldn't it be super easy to transition for them?

Just put a big black blanket over your head and no one will know the difference.

>>8260876
kek

>>8256194
Simple OP! move to Saudi Arabia or syria or Iraq and keep a daily vlog of the life of an out and proud homo. you may have to edit one or two things out, and make sure your camera has VR/IS for those flying off buildings shots.

>>8257028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9rTbh4a57o

>>8257558
>>8257566
see the video and also no, you retards do want to kill us.

>>8256194
Muslims are always your enemy! To pretend otherwise is to ignore what is written in the Qua'ran:
"al-Taqiyya:
deception; the islamic word for concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies."
http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

TL;DR, gays and Muslims will NEVER be allies. Pulse should have shown you that. To pretend that Muslims will ever give a fuck about gays is to fall for the lies of liberal politicians and they have such a great track record! /sarc off
"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." Y'all can go fuck yourselves if you think that Muslims will ever be your friend while they always secretly find ways to kill you. Don't be a fucking retarded faggot.

>>8262614
>thinking the muslims are smart enough to lie
watch the video retard
>>8262486

>>8262486
>you retards do want to kill us
Let me tell you what you think...

Most of /pol/ doesn't give a shit about gays as long as you won't have your dildo parades or force your 12yo to take meds to suppress puberty.

>>8262486
>you retards do want to kill us.
Who are you talking to?

>>8262742
that seems to be the opinion of evernyone who crost posts but when brought up in pol plenty of people demand death and day of the rope for lgbt. we also don't force 12 yo meds to do shit. The number of people that happens to is significantly below the malpractice level and even further from the number of murders and assaults of assholes like you beathing the shit out of trans people using bathrooms

https://youtu.be/faSKWFZE1zE?t=2m31s

come on girls. We know better than to support islam. Christians will turn the other cheek and look at us like the faggots we are. But Muslims will skin us alive and film it and show it to other muslims which it will receive a standing ovation.

They care for goats more than us.. Yeeeessh I feel sorry for my European sisters. I hope you all don't get murdered.

>>8257707
The modern generations feel lost after the death of big ideologies so they're desperate to belong to something. White kids seek nerd culture and the alt-right while muslisms seek for their roots, what mean conservaturism and often terrorism. It's ironic the alt-right blame the recent terrorist attacks to the refugees when all of them were perpetrated by second generation muslims, none by an actual refugee.

I think the saddest part is both sides want to deliberately go back to the past. It's like the future is so scary and hopeless that memories is all what's left. That's how a turd like The Force Awakens made so much money. It's the disease from our times

>Muslims are our allies
How much paint are you huffing? Of course they fucking aren't.

>>8268391
He's HUFFING a TON judging by his POST.

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>>8260865
>only now

>>8268375
>It's ironic the alt-right blame the recent terrorist attacks to the refugees when all of them were perpetrated by second generation muslims, none by an actual refugee.
More Muslim refugees means more second gen Muslims which means more jihadists within Western countries

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>it's another thread where people falsely assert that all of Islam is salafi wahhabism, or falsely assert that Islam has little to no problems with radicals

Nuance is dead.

I don't know, maybe we could start by stop throwing them off buildings.

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>>8258095
"they are nothing without the things that mak\de them the world police"
lel
go back to getting ass raped by a migrant eurocuck

>>8269432
How much support do gays have among Indonesian Muslims, praytell?

>>8256249
fpbp

>>8269487
Did you even read my post?

I explicitly stated that Islam has a problem with extremism.

>>8256320
>The hateful and ignorant minority of self loathers who hold "right-wing" or regressive views
There's a name for them: The silent majority. They're sick of left-leaning cunts like you sucking muslim cock and putting the rest of us in danger. Unlike you, we learned from Orlando.

>>8257707
>Muslims aren't going to leave anytime soon.
Keep telling yourself that. I give it 30 more years before the West is pushed over the edge.

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Same way we fight racism and misogyny in our """"community"""".

Tell bigots to fuck off. Plain and simple. No excuses for them. Don't argue with them. Don't give them a fucking platform. Tell them to go back to /pol/ and on /pol/ tell them to go to the_donald and on the_donald tell them to go to stormfront. ETC.

>>8257207
what do you want explained

- resident leftist Muslim /lgbt/ reader

>>8270137

All three branches of government are currently in control by the right. How has shouting them down and not giving them a platform worked out for you so far?

>>8270175

Don't think of it as left vs. right. I think the American ""left"" has a lot of problems. Its a different can of worms. I consider myself to actually be a centrist, and I know the Democrats fail more often than not and are pretty much just the "not Republicans" party of do nothing.
But I don't think Islamaphobia is ever ever okay. 10 years ago, the Republican party agreed, George W Bush popularized the "religion of peace" meme that Islamaphobes love to mock (in spite of the fact that 99% of Muslims would never commit violence). Obama won in spite of having a "Muslim sounding" name.

Just with Donald Trump now Islamaphobia is the new "cool" thing. And maybe its been building up for a while, I know I've seen Islamaphobia on 4chan for as long as I can remember. 4chan has cracked down on misogyny and racism outside of /b/ and /pol/, but hasn't cracked don on Islamaphobia as much as it should. Kids see this and they think its funny or cool or edgy. I don't think it should be tolerated.

It's not phobic to hate fundamentalists. I hate Muslims who are openly religious because they are usually awful. I've read the Quran, and it only furthered that distaste by allowing me to more fully comprehend how fucked in the head they have to be to buy into this shit so hard. And for the LGBT "community" to try and support that is laughably masochistic.

>>8270222
>I hate Muslims who are openly religious because they are usually awful. I've read the Quran, and it only furthered that distaste by allowing me to more fully comprehend how fucked in the head they have to be to buy into this shit so hard.

Surface-level readings of the Qur'an don't necessarily teach you about Muslims. Its like when people do surface readings of the Bible and decide "Christians must hate shrimp".
There's tons of oral tradition, hadith, judgements to look at and these vary by school.

Both Muslim and LGBTQ are marginalized in Western society. If we fight each other, nobody wins. If we band together, we both win.

>>8270175
It's worked out very well actually.

t. GOP supporter

>>8270233
I lived in a majority Muslim city until I was in my late teens. I grew up with them and was friends with a great many of them. I don't care if their ideas vary by school because more often than not, some central themes seem to stick around and get worse as they get older. And at any rate, I was reading an annotated Quran and going to Muslim websites to corroborate interpretations.

I'm not banding together with gay-hating Muslims any time soon, senpai. And I will encourage everyone to reject them. They don't have to be Muslim. They can stop believing in their horrid nonsense any time. And as for those ex-Muslims within the LGBT sphere, I welcome them with open arms. Islam should be marginalized and hated in Western society and everywhere else. We were ruthless to Christians in the early 2000's, and there is no reason to treat Muslims any differently.

>>8270260

>They don't have to be Muslim. They can stop believing in their horrid nonsense any time.
Uh, by this logic you don't have to be a non-Muslim. You can start being a Muslim anytime. Freedom of religion is a pretty majorly important thing. More important than sexual expression I would say. Religion cuts more deeply to the core of a human being's identity.

> Islam should be marginalized and hated in Western society and everywhere else.
Nah fuck off you piece of garbage bigot. Go back to stormfront.

>We were ruthless to Christians in the early 2000's,
Who is this "we"? Was there ever a "Christian ban" on immigration? Major hate crimes against Christians? Do you realize there's a big difference between "punching up" (in a Christian majority country) vs. "punching down"? You realize there are plenty of Christian LGBTQ people, even in the "early 2000s" right?

The only way this can be equivalent is if LGBTQ+ people in the Middle East are "ruthless" towards the Christian minority. AFAIK, they aren't. Why should they be? Because they are hateful narrowminded bigots like you?

>muslim shoots up a gay club, murdering 50 innocent people
>Everyone takes to defending islam
>the lgbt community is pushed to the side and ignored because "muh islamiphobia" despite the massacre

>>8270342

You can't deny the Muslim community is in a more precarious position thanks to the rise of the alt-right.

Also I saw tons of solidarity with lgbtq+ post Orlando.

>>8270298
I don't think Muslims have to be legally harmed in any way, but Islam should be rejected roundly by society. Religion is nonsense and if you place a hateful, homophobic religion above the lives of your gay and trans fellows, then you're being absurd.

Can't be stormfront if I don't care about preserving the white race or Christianity or any of the nonsense Nordic religions.

"Punching up" is a retarded neoliberal concept that essentially puts the position of a supposedly marginalized group over their actual ideas. I don't do that. Islam is shit and Muslims are idiots for following it, and they should be ostracized until they no longer do.

Nobody was willing to place Christian hatred above the rights of LGBT people in the past, even if it meant criticizing Christian fundamentalism or the religion itself.

The ban is not a "Muslim ban" but a travel ban from known terrorist hot spots. These bans have existed in several other places in several different times. Muslims are not special just because they're the new terrorists.

If the Christian minority were/are known to be against the peaceful living of gays in the Middle East, then yeah, the Christian element there should be similarly stamped out.

>>8270203
>Just with Donald Trump now Islamaphobia is the new "cool" thing.

Spoken like a true libtard who doesn't know the history of Western Civ. What do they teach in schools now? The West has always been at war with Islam since its creation.

>>8270356

>I don't think Muslims have to be legally harmed in any way, but Islam should be rejected roundly by society.
Why should it? What does this mean for actual Muslim people? What kind of "harm" do you intend to use in order to get them to abandon a major part of their culture/identity?

> they should be ostracized
Lol fuck off this makes you a fucking bigot. Maybe we should ostracize BIGOTS regardless of their religious background or lack thereof?

>Religion is nonsense and if you place a hateful, homophobic religion above the lives of your gay and trans fellows, then you're being absurd.
And if you put your sex drive above the lives and livelihood of Muslim people, then you are being absurd. And you need to fuck off back to Stormfront. Also lol at you complaining about "hate" when you are by far the most hateful person here.

>Nobody was willing to place Christian hatred above the rights of LGBT people in the past, even if it meant criticizing Christian fundamentalism or the religion itself.
Muslims are not threatening to LGBT people in the West at all. Should LGBTQ+ people in the Middle East try to promote "ostracizing" the Christian minorities? Also you have some nerve to whine that people aren't respecting your "rights" when you don't respect the fundamental right of Muslims to their own religion?

> the Christian element there should be similarly stamped out.
So you are a fucking genocidal bigot. And I am supposed to side with you and we are supposed to fucking tolerate bigots like you because why?

You are exactly why Islamaphobes need to be fucking treated with zero tolerance. You are literally advocating mass genocide.

>>8270395
Explain what a bigot is to me. (Not the person you replied to.)

>>8270431

Someone who is intolerant towards a certain protected class of people. (In before you say I'm being "intolerant of intolerance", durrr).

>>8270442
>certain protected class of people
What do you mean by this? Protected by whom?

>>8270456

Human rights. I would say: religion, race, nationality, sex/gender (and expression), sexuality, familial status, disability status, etc.

I get the feeling you are trying to make some kind of point so hurry up with it. I have things to do.

>>8270456
A race besides whites and Jews, a gender besides male, and an orientation besides straight.

>>8270479
And what happens when these are at odds with one another? When a person cites religion to be "intolerant" (your word, whatever it means) towards someone because of sex, or sexuality, or anything else on your list? The other way?

You're calling LGBT people bigots because they refuse to tolerate the intolerance of Muslims towards them. Even worse, you expect this magical word to do all the thinking for you. Sorry to inform you, but people don't recoil at such name-calling techniques anymore. It's all political rhetoric with no content. The left has called anyone who leans slightly off course a bigot/prejudiced/etc. for years, and wonders why there's been such a backlash. People WANT to have intelligent discussion. People WANT to share ideas. But the left just screams, "BIGOT BIGOT BIGOT STOP STOP STOP!" and they wonder why people are sick and tired of them.

>>8270520

Except not all Muslims are prejudiced, you fuck, Just like not all LGBTQ people are Islamaphobes. In fact, the two often coexist. And if you aren't going to protect LGBTQ Muslims as LGBTQ AND as Muslims, then you are as much a fucking asshole as any other homophobe is.

Go back to Stormfront.

>>8270395
You answered precisely the kind of thing I would have done to them: ostracization.

I am a bigot toward bad ideas and the people who propagate them, and that includes fundamentalist religious people.

My sex drive? Are you retarded? Why are you even on /lgbt/?

I don't hate anyone unless they give me a reason to, and adhering to a religion that has hatred of gays as a tenet is one of those reasons.

Reread what I said if you think I'm genocidal, you moron. I hate ideas, not people. People can remove themselves from bad ideas and I will have no problem with them. Death is not needed to leave a religion. That's only what Muslims think.

>>8270533

Except you are a bigot with bad ideas, worse than any religious fundamentalist outside of Isis.... You know that, right?

>>8270533

And death is needed to force people to leave religion.

>>8270546
>>8270552
Aaaaand you're retarded. Great, thank you for wasting my time.

>>8270532
>Not all X are Y!

Then why even have discussions about public policy?

>In fact, the two often coexist.
I'm sorry, but you speak like a typical ignorant American who has never left the country. Do you understand how many people on this planet identify as Muslim? The few Muslims down the street in Brooklyn are NOT representative of what Islam is generally in practice.

I'll give you the answers since you probably won't check: In the US, there are approximately 10 million Muslims. This is single digit percentage. It is estimated that there are somewhere around 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world. In the Middle East, some societies have over 90% Muslim populations.

You have NEVER lived in a Muslim society (and probably never would want to travel to one, for some reason).

So tell me again how "often" Muslims and LGBT live together outside your gated white community in the suburbs.

>>8270565

Exactly.... There are a billion plus Muslims in the world, how can you generalize? And how does setting the communities against each other help ANYONE? Yes, some Muslims are homophobic. Some white gay assholes are Islamophobes. Let's tell the bigots on both sides to fuck off

Muslims are the prime reason I embrace the right wing. I'm not terribly sure they're happy about that , but common enemy and so on.

>>8270606
>There are a billion plus Muslims in the world, how can you generalize?

Funny how you sing a different tune when it's put into a global perspective. It's a big world out there.

And I can generalize because there are lots of Muslim theocracies out there that have harsh punishments for homosexuality, ranging from fines/jailtime to death. Sure, there's variance and "yuo cant jenuralize!!" but there's a general pattern here. People understand the world by patterns.

I don't care if there are a few Muslims living in the US who put Western values first when it comes to public policy. What I don't understand is what the benefit is of importing millions of them into our country every year, until what? How does our society benefit by bringing in people whose cultures are in absolute contrast with our own, if they show no sign of conforming to the framework principles of free speech, etc.?

>>8270649

Freedom of religion is one of those "framework principles". Protect lgbt and Muslim minorites from bigots. In the West and elsewhere. Why not that?

>>8270678
Yes, no one is saying they CAN'T be Muslim here, but as time as showed us by court precedence, when religion fights against freedom of speech, and other human rights, religion loses every time. Muslims should be no exception.

Religion in the US has ALWAYS been met with scrutiny and Islam will not be an exception.

>>8270750

>as time as showed us by court precedence, when religion fights against freedom of speech, and other human rights, religion loses every time.
And when freedom of speech fights against freedom of religion, it looses every time. Because it turns out there's nothing about these rights which are in contradiction to each other.

Muslims should not be an exception to basic human rights, including, but not limited to, their freedom of religion, their freedom of speech, their freedom of travel.

>Religion in the US has ALWAYS been met with scrutiny
Wtf does this even mean. There has never been a "Christian ban" or widespread Christophobia the way there is with Islam. Nor has there been widespread Buddhistphobia or Hinduphobia, and even anti-Semitism, while present, has been minimal in the USA when compared with in Europe.

So kindly fuck off and take your bigotry with you.

>>8269735
His point was where doesn't Islam have problems with extremism?

>>8256194
it's simple. first we put them in camps, then we just treat them like a pizza & throw them in the oven

>>8271251

Where does any religious group (or lack thereof) not have problems with extremism? We have people advocating genocide in this thread, presumably atheist.

>>8271135
>their freedom of travel.

It is NOT a "right" for people to be able to immigrate to the US. We can decide who we'd like to have enter our country.

>There has never been a "Christian ban"
Never been a "Muslim ban" either. As already pointed out, countries which have had terrorism problems with the West were barred entry. Saudis can get in just fine, along with citizens of many other Muslim countries. Do you even understand how many majority Muslim countries there are in the world? Stop believing everything CNN says.

>widespread Christophobia
You do realize that the UN has regarded the systematic killing of Christians in Syria to be classified as a CURRENT genocide, right? As in Christians on this globe are literally being genocided by Muslims right now. But yeah, fuck Christians, they've never faced any problems like Muslims have.

Stop pretending that modern Islam is in any way comparable to how tame Christianity has become over many centuries of reformations. Islam is long overdue for a modernization and should not be respected on a global scale until it recognizes the same basic human rights we do.

>>8271353
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Christians_by_ISIL

(The stuff you won't see on WP, MSNBC, etc.)

>>8271353

> As in Christians on this globe are literally being genocided by Muslims right now. But yeah, fuck Christians,
I never said "fuck Christians" at all. I just said that its not true that "religion in the US has been met with scrutiny". That much is not true. Christians in the USA have never been treated thte way Muslims are being treated in the USA.

Yes, there is horrible violence against Christians and other religious minorities worldwide. But that doesn't justify persecuting religious minorities over here.

>. Islam is long overdue for a modernization and should not be respected on a global scale until it recognizes the same basic human rights we do.
"Islam" is not a monolith. Different Muslims believe in different things. And "freedom of religion" IS one of those "basic human rights" accepted by the West. One of those major factors of reformation in Christianity. You have the RIGHT to your religion and not face persecution for that. You are being incredibly hypocritical right now.

Also with 1B+ people, Islam is already "respected on a global scale". If you pit us against Islam we will lose. The end.

>>8271445
>You have the RIGHT to your religion and not face persecution for that. You are being incredibly hypocritical right now.
Ok, my religion is Naziism and it's my RIGHT to slaughter millions of Jews and if you disagree you're a bigoted Naziphobe!

Freedom of religion has been tested thousands of time in the US and religion should never be accepted as an excuse to challenge the core tenants of what makes humans decent in our eyes. Why should they deserve respect for throwing gays off buildings? The entire underpinning of freedom of religion is that it can protect whatever strange beliefs people have, but those that lead naturally to violence are NOT tolerated.

>Christians in the USA have never been treated thte way Muslims are being treated in the USA.
Because as I said Christianity learned to tone it down and not go full crusade on those who disagree. When Islam learns not to jihad those who insult them, then we can talk. This is not a symmetric situation in the slightest. Islam and Christianity are NOT at all similar just because they're two popular religions.

>If you pit us against Islam we will lose. The end.
>Just give up they're too strong!
All the more reason to fight.

>>8271662

buddy you got btfo hard. why do you keep going.

>>8271662
>Ok, my religion is Naziism and it's my RIGHT to slaughter millions of Jews and if you disagree you're a bigoted Naziphobe!
Shut up. No one is saying that Muslims have a right to kill gay people. Nor do gay people have the right to kill Muslims. No one has said that Muslims should have the right to kill anyone.

>religion should never be accepted as an excuse to challenge the core tenants of what makes humans decent in our eyes.
Who is this "our"? It seems that you already fail when it comes to being a "decent person" by the majority of American standards. Freedom of religion has been tested and its literally written into our Constitution. As a founding principle of what makes human beings "decent". If you don't respect freedom of religion and believe in persecuting others, then you are shit. You are not "decent".

>Because as I said Christianity learned to tone it down and not go full crusade on those who disagree.
What are you talking about? Most Muslims aren't going "full crusade". Its a tiny minority of Muslims in the US that go towards extremism. I count the Orlando Shooter, the Boston bomber...and that's it.

Also no, Christianity is not tolerated because "it learned to tone down". Christianity has always been tolerated in the USA, as the majority religion, regardless of its stance on the death penalty. You act like Christianity is some kind of outsider religion in the USA, when in fact its the majority, and we didn't learn to tolerate Christians, Christians learned to tolerate us.

> Islam learns not to jihad those who insult them
Islam is not an individual person or a hivemind. Muslims will never be 100% angels just like atheists will never be 100% angels. Just like gay guys will never be 100% angels. People are flawed, there are assholes everywhere and there always will be. Right now the biggest asshole here is you. When do you learn to stop jihading anyone from "the wrong religion"?

We dont.Islam should be purged,they are not and have never been our allies

>>8271869

Switch out "Islam" with "homosexuality" and pretend a Muslim is saying it.

You have more in common with Muslim extremists than not.

>>8271788
Naziism is not an individual person or a hivemind. Germans will never be 100% angels just like the Allies will never be 100% angels. Just like Jews will never be 100% angels. People are flawed, there are assholes everywhere and there always will be. Right now the biggest asshole here is you. When do you learn to stop genociding anyone from "the wrong religion"?

I do hate islam,i hate it because it wants my head cut off,while they hate me (and you)for being a degenerate and an unholy aberration .But I guess my reasons are just as subhuman and backwards as theirs,i´d rather get thrown from a roof than being called a islamophobe

>>8271894
meant to be for
>>8271879

>>8271879
>but if you defend yourself you're no better than your would-be murderer!

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>>8271887

Uh I am not genociding Nazis? What are you taking about? Nazi is a political movement of intolerance (much like your own), not a religion? And even then, being a Nazi is not against the law and in fact thanks to the alt-right and idiot Islamaphobes like yourself we are in a second Nazi golden age. So fuck off.

>>8271894
Not all Muslims hate you or want your head chopped off. You are stereotyping and creating a boogeyman out of 1B+ people.

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>>8271911

If an evil ISIS boogeyman comes to the USA and tries to attack you, go ahead and defend yourself.

Peaceful Muslims, including LGBTQA Muslims, trying to live their lives? And you want to persecute them? They have the right to defend themselves against you and I will stand with them. You want Western values? Welcome to Freedom of Religion, literally enshrined in the Constitution and the UN Bill of Human Rights.

I don't understand why any LGBT person would defend ANY religion whatsoever
Historically speaking they've not been very kind to us

>>8271923
>Nazi is a political movement of intolerance (much like your own), not a religion?

>Religions can't be intolerant

>>8271923
Uh I am not genociding Muslims? What are you taking about? Islam is a political movement of intolerance (much like your own), not a religion? And even then, being a Muslim is not against the law and in fact thanks to the liberal elite and idiot Islamaphiles like yourself we are in a western Persia second before the revolution. So fuck off.

>>8271940
>And you want to persecute them?
What does "persecute" mean to you? Who the hell has said anything more than just we should criticize Islam for being a shit religion? Is that what passes for persecution these days?

>>8271956
Because you don't want to get called an Islamophobe in front of all your friends! That would be just awful!

It's a stupid political buzzword which is why it works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpv4ns52pJo

>>8271956

Uh plenty of LGBT people ARE religious, that's why, and its never been some kind of "LGBT" vs. "any religion". Rather there are competing philosophies within any religion, and how sexuality should be treated. In order to be accepted by larger society, we need to make allies with religious people. That is how we got accepted in the USA, and that is how we will get accepted in the Middle East. The supreme court that recognized gay marriage? Christian and Jews. Majority of politicians sticking up for gay rights? Christians.

And while LGBT people do have less religious affiliation than the general public (likely thanks to homophobic churches), a majority are religious to some degree:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/26/lesbian-gay-and-bisexual-americans-differ-from-general-public-in-their-religious-affiliations/

Like, leave your moms basement for once. There's no fucking dichotomy. There are homophobic religious people, and there are Islamaphobic gay people, and there are racist women and anti-Mexican Jews. But most people are decent people.

>>8272008
>The supreme court that recognized gay marriage? Christian and Jews. Majority of politicians sticking up for gay rights? Christians.

>But trust me the Muslims are just as modern as those guys in their home countries too!

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>>8271975

Intolerant people can be religious. But Nazism is not a religion. Some Nazis were Christian (so called "Positive Christianity"), some were atheist, some were Nordic Neo-Pagans.

Naziism is a political movement in part founded upon intolerance. Much like the alt-right hates Muslims, back then the boogeyman was Jews.

>>8271986

Any discriminatory treatment based on religion is persecution. If you criticize Islam, do so from a place of knowledge and compassion, realizing that any large religion is going to be deeply multifaceted with a lot of nuance and traditions. Ideally, empower LGBTQ+ Muslims to speak out. So that way both our communities can be stronger and come together to create a better America.

Instead of driving wedges everywhere.

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>>8272030

I never said that. But we are talking about Muslims in the West. In the Middle East, Muslims don't need our solidarity because they hold all the power. If Muslims and gay people clash in the Middle East, just we lose. We die.

If Muslims and gay people crash in the West, we will both lose. We are both minorities who should work together for acceptance. LGBTQ+ Muslims need the most support of all.

>>8272041
>But Nazism is not a religion.
Who are you to define what is or is not a religion? What's so different between a religion and a political ideology?

>>8272064
Why do you use that insidious word, Islamophobia? Muslims have done plenty over the past 1400 years to warrant caution when dealing with them. A phobia has an entirely different psychological definition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpv4ns52pJo

>>8272064
>In the Middle East, Muslims don't need our solidarity because they hold all the power. If Muslims and gay people clash in the Middle East, just we lose. We die.

And an important part of this discussion is why we should be bringing in millions of "those other" kinds of Muslims which you agree are not going to be friendly to us at all.

>>8272088

By this logic, so have men. Men have done plenty over the last all of eternity to warrant caution, I guess if I sperg out over "evil men in my country" and "don't tolerate men" etc. that would be perfectly logical right?

Nah fuck off. Judging 1B+ people from a handful of extremists is stupid. There are gay Muslims and bi Muslims and Trans* Muslims and always have been. On the other extreme, there are also homophobic Muslims. Most Muslims want to just live their lives, and homophobia has more to do with culture than with religion anyway.

>>8272103

Because not even those "other" Muslims are a hivemind, and many might be fleeing persecution for being LGBT+ themselves. They are moving because they WANT to live in the West and among Christians. Bigoted Muslims who are hateful towards religious minorities or gay people are not going to be the ones moving to nations with gay marriage and run by Christians.

>>8272105
>Men have done plenty over the last all of eternity to warrant caution, I guess if I sperg out over "evil men in my country" and "don't tolerate men" etc. that would be perfectly logical right?

Yes, if you feel nervous being alone with strange men at night that is perfectly reasonable. I always take caution when passing strangers, especially when alone.

However, advocating for legal repercussions is silly because they cannot choose to NOT be men. Muslims can choose to not believe their religion.

>>8272113
>They are moving because they WANT to live in the West and among Christians.
Or because they watched the latest ISIS video instructing them to do so. Or they're already in ISIS and are sneaking in, which they announce publicly anyway.


It really is sad when there are people who want to leave the faith but are threatened with death for that. I'd love to welcome them over here, but retards like you paint being a Muslim as some kind of paradise. Maybe you should try it out for a year over there and see how it goes. As was mentioned in this thread, Western Islam is so fundamentally different from Middle Eastern Islam that it barely deserves to be called the same name.

>>8272064
uh, what the fuck?

one of him just killed a bunch of gays and he's apologizing to them for gays. not to the gays for them.

this is beyond parody.

>>8272135
Just remember: gays have been used up for all they're good for by the left. Politicians will always toss us aside when we're done to move to the next pandering group.

Gays are last decade. Now they want to protect Muslims, even when they want to kill us.

>>8272122
OK fine be nervious about "strange Muslims at night" (or better yet, strange people regardless of religion) but getting scared about Muslims in general is stupid and Islamaphobic.

>Muslims can choose to not believe their religion.
Not really. By this logic, killing all non-Muslims is okay because they can "choose to be Muslim". Religion is a major part of human identity, protected by the UN Bill of Rights and I'd say more important to more people than their sex is.

Also this "its okay to be bigoted if its a choice" means its okay to discriminate on gay guys if they have sex with each other (since its a choice to have sex). So fuck off will you?

>>8272133
ISIS is a tiny dwindling minority of Muslims. You are far more likely to die of a car crash than a terrorist incident. Why not try to ban cars before you ban Muslims?

Not all Muslims in the Middle East are the same. I don't intend on going to the Middle East, but I don't see how making the West less tolerant and cracking down on fundamental human rights that have been here since day 1 is supposed to help anything.

>>8272135
LOTS of people used Orlando as an excuse to spread hate to Muslims. Hell, they still do. Meanwhile ONE man carried out the Orlando shooting. What makes more sense, apologizing to Muslims for the hatred of MANY Christians/atheists going on Twitter, or apologizing to gay people for the actions of ONE Muslim?

>>8272198
>LOTS of people used the Holocaust as an excuse to spread hate to Nazis.

>>8272209

..................Orlando shooting was done by a single man and condemned by the Muslim community.

Nazis were a political movement who committed the Holocaust en masse. They were also religiously intolerant, exactly like yourself, so why the fuck are you pretending like you aren't the same shit as them?

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This poll is done PRE-Orlando (2015) and shows that gay people are by far more accepted than Muslims in the USA.

>>8272221
>and condemned by the Muslim community
Who exactly is "the Muslim community"?

Is it the hundreds of hate preachers in the West who drum up homophobic hatred? Is it the dozens of Muslim nations where you can be stoned or hanged or beheaded or crucified for being LGBT?

Or is "the Muslim community" some guy who's never set foot in a Mosque posting a rainbow flat on twitter?

>>8272198
>You are far more likely to die of a car crash than a terrorist incident. Why not try to ban cars before you ban Muslims?

Because cars contribute things to society that would be difficult to achieve without something at least similar. What does a Muslim contribute to society that a non-Muslim cannot that demands ignoring statistics about terrorist attacks being overwhelmingly committed by Muslims worldwide?

>>8272221
>Orlando shooting was done by a single man and condemned by the Muslim community.
Which one? Link all the Saudi politicians who spoke out against the largest mass shooting in US history. They're our friends, right?

>>8272271

LEAVE YOUR MOMS BASEMENT ALREADY

http://www.cairgeorgia.com/press-releases/357-ga-muslims-condemn-orlando-massacre-launch-blood-drive.html

>>8272283
>LEAVE YOUR MOMS BASEMENT ALREADY

Leave your country already and see what the world is. Saying the US Muslims are the "Muslim community" is as accurate as saying a few Christians on some small Pacific island are the "Christian community."

US Muslims are an entirely different breed of Muslim that do NOT at all represent the global phenomenon. Why is this so hard to accept?

>>8272306

We are talking about Muslims in THE WEST you fucker. Intolerance of Muslims in THE WEST does NOTHING to intolerant Muslims living in the Middle East. You aren't shunning Muslims in the Middle East, nor would those Muslims care. You are hurting Muslims living right HERE. You garbage.

Go to Stormfront. Go to /pol/. Get the fuck out.

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>be me
>gay friend wants in my pants forever.
>cross dress and tell him i'm trans
REEEE GOTA GO
>guess he didnt like boipucci

>>walking around waiting for mtf therapy to start. loving hormones. MEGA SMILES I'M CURED.
>wearing MAGA hat
>being muslim
>be me trying to balance that load
>>suddenly wild college kids appear!
YOUR HAT! REEEEEEE YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE
>my load is never welcome.

>get to therapy
YOU'RE MUSLIM, AND MAGA?! REEEEEEE NO WAY YOU'RE MTF! YOU'RE WEAPONIZED AGP.
>have to see him for a year to qualify for SRS

>get on my board of refuge
>ignoring /pol/ because i know /myguy/ is still #1
MUSLIMS ARE HERE REEEEE THEY'RE GOING TO HURT US
>pretty sure i just got shit on by offline and online /lgbt/ this week


>really not sure which side i would help during the debates.
>probably whichever side is last to call my dank memes heretical

>>8272283
Wow, you've proved me wrong. The Ayatollah of Iran and the Saudi King both condemning Orlando!

Except none of that happened because "the Muslim community" was too busy raping little boys, lashing women and throwing gays off buildings.

>>8272325

Fuck off already. Why the hell do you think Muslims are a massive hivemind you piece of human shit?

When they stop decapitating people.

>>8272317
>We are talking about Muslims in THE WEST you fucker.
Oh dear lord, you're actually dumb enough to believe that. The opening question of this thread is, "How do we convince Muslims we're allies?" The answer was that we obviously do not, because a billion or so of them want us dead.

And I never fucking said to be intolerant of Muslims in the west. I've said we have to be reasonable about letting in more from the east, where they're already programmed to believe essentially the opposite of Western values.

>>8272344
>When they stop decapitating people.

If you want to judge all Muslims for ISIS, how would you feel if all LGBT got judged by Jeffrey Dahmer?

>>8272330
I don't. That's why I know your token non-evil Muslims are just that, tokens.

>>8272345

Western values includes freedom of religion. 70 years ago, Catholics were "the opposite of Western values".

wat kinda muzzies are we talkin about here
western ones talkin about 19 quran alone?

muzzies who idolize the hadith and sunnah?

muzzies grown up in cultural islam (middle east)?

three different species right there, folks. prety fuckin ez to use 19 / idoltory theology to btfo hadith/sunnah, thus invalidating the UN claim to cultural cesspools having a 'religion'.

t. i need friends.

>>8272359
>70 years ago, Catholics were "the opposite of Western values".
Yeah and they got sorted out real good. For some reason the left doesn't want that to happen to Muslims though. Every time they blow up some Europeans it's always, "But think about how it makes them feeeeeeeel!!" How about asking the dead how they feel?

>>8272367

Terrorists are a tiny minority of Muslims. How can you justify punishing them as a group?

Also, what is your religious background or lack thereof? Are you atheist? Do you realize some people would say atheists are the opposite of Western values, especially not too long ago?

In the Victorian age, "Western values" were highly focused on purity and self-discipline. Not friendly for gay guys, IIRC who were even sometimes put in prison. "Western values" are in constant flux. We need to be a society open to all people and learn to get along with each other. That means not only ending homophobia among extremist preachers but also ending Islamaphobia among alt-right assholes.

>>8272396
>Terrorists are a tiny minority of Muslims.
Yes, it doesn't take many to actually perform the killing themselves. But it does take quite a few to transport the supporting roles and finance it systematically as they do. Oh and don't forget the statistics of the "innocent bystanders" who agree with many of the attacks. There are plenty of enablers.

Also, a minority of Muslims may jihad, but the majority of terrorists are Muslims. If Islam is just as good as any other religion, why is that? Why do they have a statistically significant portion of terrorist attacks?

>"Western values" are in constant flux.
No they're not. For hundreds of years the West has stood for the individual. If we want to tell people who treat their women as slaves, throw their gays off buildings, and murder their apostates to fuck right off, we are 100% entitled to doing so. Stop pretending "freedom of religion" means "entitlement to respect." I'm honestly disgusted that you're essentially defending stoning people for exposing skin inappropriately or killing those who want to give up their faith, but to each his own.

>>8272427

It's BECAUSE I see Muslims as INDIVIDUALS, I am not Islamaphobic. How the hell can you talk about "the individual" but then judge Muslims as a single group?

power b8

>>8272434
Because the religion itself seeks to stifle the individual. And it shows in how it's implemented via its followers.

I understand that to you being called Islamophobic may be the end of the world to you, but I honestly don't care.

I will ALWAYS stand up against violence against women, gays, and others who want to live peacefully. We should be doing everything in our power to discourage such ideologies as they are nothing than poison.

I know you're going to try to pretend saying, "But some of them are peaceful!" is some witty comment. I fucking know some of them are. When the hell will people realize that doesn't excuse the vast political systems which enable the terror we all experience?

>>8272453
islam was made to stop jew banking. it has a hard cap on interest. some political system has to fight 17th century merchant nepotism.

the first line of your comment is very popular among anti islam shills. you did nothing to refute my believe in the religion however. stop conflating. assign blame to followers of a religion, not the religion itself.

>blaming a car because a dog gets mad and chases it.

>>8272453

Will you stand up to violence against Muslims? What about female or LGBTQ Muslims who want to live peacefully?

>>8272475
Nazis and Muslims teaming up again against the capitalist West and the Jews.

Some things never change.

>>8272486
Yes. When the fuck did I ever imply I wouldn't?

I swear this whole time you've been throwing up strawmen. I can't even keep up anymore.

>>8272486
>Will you stand up to violence against Muslims?
Of course. Everyone who cares for LGBT people or women or freedom will stand up to cheer it on.

>>8272486
>>8272494
>>8272501
The problem is that the left has redefined "violence" to mean "saying mean words." To them whenever someone feels "unsafe" they say that violence has occurred.

I would only stand up to physical harm. Criticism will ALWAYS be allowed.

>>8270112
this basically

It's not a phobia anymore if its rational.

If you want to have a live/let live attitude, you not tolerating homophobic muslims is incredibly hypocritical.

>>8272508

Is it okay to criticize groups you are a part of? Such as your sexuality, your religion (or lack thereof) etc? Would you be happy about that?

>>8272527
>Is it okay to criticize groups you are a part of?
Yes.

>>8272535

So if a Muslim preacher preaches hate against you much like people on 4chan preach hate against Muslims, that is okay?

>>8272539
>Muslim preacher preaches hate

Is this some kind of euphemism like shooting up my house?

What part of freedom of speech did you not understand? I never once said they cannot practice their religion here peacefully. This whole time I've been talking about not letting more in from places that encourage terrorism. How hard of a concept is this to understand? A democracy is especially fragile to a major influx of people with vastly different ideas. As many said it's not a phobia when there's reason to be afraid. We need to be smart about preserving our culture so we don't end up in Sharia law, as many of them would love to bring over.

>homosexuals supporting Islam

You faggots really are drawn to whatever is worst for you, huh?

>>8268432
lmao creative

>>8272350
comparing ISIS to jeffrey dahmer is the most retarded baseless comparison i've ever heard in my life

>>8275043

Blaming all Muslim for ISIS makes as much sense as blaming all LGBT for Jeffrey Dahmer. Not saying they are the same, but judging any group based on its worse representative is stupid.

>>8272804
we just love to be treated like holes and fucked hard.
also, degradation is hot.
i would prefer a white man to do it but they all seem to be weak numales afraid to be dominant so i have to get hung latinos to dominate and abuse me.
muslims could be hot if they didn't circumcise their dicks.
also they tend to beat you up for no reason.
i don't want to be beat up unless it is during sex.

>>8275075
when any other demographic's worst representative is as major and prominent as ISIS then maybe your point has credibility
also Islam is a religion, religion is a choice, sexuality is not. there are not tenets of gayness that when followed word for word are classifiable as terroristic and extremist

>>8275195

>also Islam is a religion, religion is a choice

So its okay to judge and bash all atheists, because its a "choice"? Really? (Assuming you are atheist like most of /lgbt/ but insert your own personal political/religious beliefs if necessary).

Also while sexuality isn't a choice, how you express your sexuality is a choice. And, by your logic, what you believe about sex is a choice. So anyone who has gay sex or who thinks gay sex is okay--its okay to bash them?

Nope.

>>8275244
>So its okay to judge and bash all atheists, because its a "choice"?

>So it's okay to judge and bash all people who don't believe in unicorns, because it's a "choice"?

Lack of belief =/= choosing to disbelieve.

>>8275280

>Lack of belief =/= choosing to disbelieve.

LOL if you can choose to believe, then by simple logic, NOT choosing to believe is also a choice. So by your logic its okay to hate and bash all atheists, and judge all atheists based on Stalin or Jeffrey Dahmer or Jim Jones. Hell, by your logic its fine when people persecute any religious minorities, since they can always choose to believe in the majority religion.

Face it, you are being a huge hypocrite and you know it.

>>8256194

German here, I have been living around muslims all of my life, they're vile animals that I barely consider human.

I'm failry flamboyant and regularly have been threatened with murder by them.

All the pro islam LGBTs are delusional and never had to live next to these animals.

>>8275444
trips of truth

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>>8275444

I actually have met Muslims irl and online and yeah...just normal and friendly people and some are LGBTQ+. There are bad Muslims, yes. But there are bad people of every religion (and bad people of atheism). You wouldn't want people to judge all Germans based on the worse Germany has to offer.

>>8275535
>There are people who did bad things many years ago so the people doing bad things today shouldn't be blamed!

When does postmodernism die again?

>>8271923
>not all muslims
You want me to support muslims in hopes to meet muslims that happen to be an exception to the rule?fuck off

>>8275951

Judge people as individuals first, stereotypes second. How about that.

Also ISIS is a tiny minority.

>>8271940
Taqiya.

Also holy fuck this board smells like tumblr
>>8275535
I´ve met two arabic people online,one of them is an extremely hardcore anti-muslims that hates them to the fucking bone,possibly because he lives surrounded by them,and the other is an actual peaceful muslim that likes memes and is into internet culture,but agrees that the quran teaches some violent and barbaric shit that he refuses to follow,but that knows other muslims will blindly obey

>>8275968

What if I told you that I became a Muslim for a few years in my 20s, enjoyed it very much, learned a lot even if it wasn't for me, and met great people too?

Fuck muslims, they should fucking die. No room for negotiation here. And yea, OP is a fucking retard and should be killed. We simply do not support the evil.

>>8276136

Pretend a Muslim made your post, and switch out "Muslim" for "men who have sex with men".

Now what.

>>8276170
Well, they're already killing gays and other civillians. So what's ur point?

>>8256194
Bigots cant learn, we just need to ostracize bigots untill they stop being islamophobic, racist, sexist, homophobix, etc, etc, untill they dont dare to express their hate, and that those who still hold those views just die.

http://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

>>8272105
Life can't exist without men and women, unless women lock up men and slave them for their semen and their jokes

>>8272198
>You are far more likely to die of a car crash than a terrorist incident. Why not try to ban cars before you ban Muslims?
Not that anon but I fucking hate terrorists because my country was under terrorism for years. I'd never tolerated any of that bullshit. I don't care is it's one life, I hate terrorists.

>>8257771
>>No, I agree. I actually think Islam should accommodate to the world. Look at the Vatican, at last they're becoming more progressive.

what is happening on a macro scale is that people see tolerant norms dominate a group and then see that doesn't create any meaningful change, so conservatism/ingroup bias is taking over now.

Get Muslims to stop putting LGBT people to death.

Who actually gives a shit? Just euthanize them all and embrace a world with no more mudslimes.

>>8257551
America

>>8275535
Islam calls for the death of all homosexuals.

You are defending your killers

>>8275100
>faggots support Islam because it feeds into their victimization fetish

Thank you.
You're the most honest faggot in this thread.

>>8278130
So does Christianity but you don't seem to have a problem with them.

Christians have been the sole subjucator of LGBTs in the US, but you defend them. Sad!

>>8275075
I'm criticising Islam.
I don't give a shit about how many "Good muslims" you parade around.

At its core Islam is a disease that needs to be purged.

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>>8275535
>But.but.but Christians!
>Posts pictures of people (mostly) long since past
Islam is HERE AND NOW

>>8276349
Cool. I like how you basically admitted that you don't actually have an argument for why Islam is being unfairly criticised.

Fuck Islam.
I spew pig shit all over your faggot prophet Mohammed.

>>8272198
>far more likely to die in a car crash.

Not A car crash is accidental, a terrorist attack is intentional.

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>>8278171
Where are all these terrible Muslims in America killing gays?

I see far more Christians doing that shit than Muslims.

Let's be real, you're a /pol/ dipshit trying to co-opt LGBT onto your side by downplaying the right's religious boner. You want to help the conservatives as a self-hating LGBT? Kill yourself.

>>8256282
>intelligent
>very aware people.
KEK

>>8256194
Send the LGBT communities to Majority Muslim countries and start a campaign while there to introduce yourselves to the Muslim citizens. Show those Islamophobic people that there is nothing to worry about.

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>>8276066
>I became a Muslim for a few years in my 20s, enjoyed it very much, learned a lot even if it wasn't for me,
>admitting to apostasy

I'd say that you just signed your own death warrant.

>>8278156
>So does Christianity but you don't seem to have a problem with them.

I never said that.
Nice straw , faggot.

>>8278199
Not always.

Trucks are terrorists current favorite tool of terrorism.

>>8278171

Every category on that page had one person from living memory.

>>8278200

Please don't try to diffuse Islamaphobia by trying to promote....Christophobia? (wtf?). No matter what religion is in discussion, violent people are a TINY minority. Most Christian, like most Muslim, like most atheist, are good people.

>>8278229
You're a conservative, no? Trump supporter even?

>using faggot as an insult in LGBT
ok /pol

>>8278200
>it's ok to ignore Islamic terrorism because Christians do bad stuff too.

Do you understand how ignorant you sound?
Do you understand that both Christian and Islamic extremism are bad things?

>>8278237
>don't like that straw man?
>here's another straw man!

>>8278236
>>8278241
I'm not. I'm saying if you want to talk about LGBT threats in the US, it's fucking retarded to fear monger about Muslims instead of Christians. It's like being upset your kitchen is dirty while your house is on fire. Your priorities are fucked.

>hurr muslims are the real threat
You say while Christians continue being the sole LGBT fucks. Who is the main opponent of gay marriage? Who is the main opponent of LGBT discrimination in America? Who proposed the NC bathroom bill? Who is the top cop in the US right now? I'll give you a fucking hint, it ain't a Muslim.

>>8278253
>I'm not. I'm saying if you want to talk about LGBT threats in the US, it's fucking retarded to fear monger about Muslims instead of Christians.

RATHER its fucking retarded to fear monger about any broad category of people, period. The Supreme Court which voted to legalize gay marriage, the politicians which largely support gay marriage, are mostly Christian. So lets not "fear monger" at all and instead focus on hateful people REGARDLESS of religion.

Otherwise you are swapping one bigotry for another and I am sorry, but you are no better than Islamaphobes if you do that.

>>8278271
I'm telling you /pol/ co-opts LGBT into their side by fear mongering about Muslims while keeping quiet about their Christian dick riders.

I don't want either, but I wasn't born yesterday. I remember the 90s and early 00s. I remember the right-wing shitheads attacking LGBT every chance they got.

>>8278297
>I'm telling you /pol/ co-opts LGBT into their side by

I'm telling you, this is not an excuse. Also if you want equality in the USA at all, you need Christians on your side. They are a majority of the US and I think a plurality of LGBTQ.

Like stop thinking in this stupid binary of black and white. You don't need a super "eeeeevil" group to scapegoat. Judge people as INDIVIDUALS. Nuff said. That is the point of the pic I made in >>8275535

>>8278308
I'm not disagreeing with you, you fuck

I'm telling YOU, that this guy
>>8278221
and this guy
>>8278249
are from /pol/.

They routinely come to here to tell /lgbt/ to vote for conservatives against their own interests.

>>8278319
>not getting killed by muslims is against our interests

nice taqqiya achmed

>>8278322
Then what would you have me do politically? I'll bite.

>>8278319

I see. Then just say why voting for conservatives is against our interests. Don't say "no Muslims aren't evil, Christians are!!" Because most of the people running on the liberal side are Christians too.

Politics is a mess in general though, I feel torn between parties. Not because of "evil Muslims" but because I am pro-life but also pro-healthcare. I am pro-immigrant but I know that in the short term immigrants have been used to suppress wages by unscrupulous employers. And Obamacare was a big mess but it was better than nothing. Ugh. And now everyone is getting nasty and hateful to each other. There is no perfect world.

>>8278323
step 1: cease shilling for me to support my own execution

>>8278341
Which means politically I should? Go on...

>>8278340
I didn't say Muslims aren't evil. I said exactly the opposite. I even elaborated that Muslims are a problem BUT Christians are by far more of a threat to LGBT.

>>8278200
>>8278253

>>8278349

Then you are being a bigot no better than a homophobe. MOST people are good, regardless of religion. And you need the cooperation of religious people in the USA to have anything done.

>>8256249
/thread

As a non-faggot, LGBTAlphabets and feminists that attempt to reconcile Muslims with their agenda is akin to trying to side with the real-life equivalent of Uruk-hai Orcs.

Fuck cultural relativism and fuck you.

>>8278344
never express an opinion ever again

>>8278362
Eeyup. Not gonna be callous and say you deserve to get hung and/or stoned for being both being gay and a "Muslim ally" but if you are, you were LITERALLY asking for it.

>>8278373

What are LGBTQ Muslims who are both deeply religious and deeply queer supposed to do? Will you stand with them, at least?

>>8278359
Then let me rephrase because exact wording is important as we're talking past each other.

Islam AND Christianity are cancers. The people only are so when they're fundamentalists. Countries flourish and progress as they become secular.

I'm not saying we should demonize the people, but the beliefs. As someone who's lived in the bible belt, it baffles me that anyone could say (not you necessarily) that Muslims are the real problem in America today. I've lived in areas where you have to hide your sexuality.

Take any deep south small town and swap it for a village in the Middle East. They're nearly identical in treatment of LGBT. One stones you, the other harasses you and physically attacks you weekly until you kill yourself while the police shrug it off.

I'm far more concerned with the vehemently anti-LGBT politicians in power right now (who are ALL conservative Trump administration) then Muslims half a world away.

>>8278363
Quit being a sour bitch.

>>8278385
>Quit being a sour bitch.
don't ask the question if you don't want the answer.

>>8278387
I asked you honestly what you'd have me to do politically. aka what's your point you were trying to make. You responded by being a sour bitch.

>>8278378
Sure. But by their own religion's standards they're being completely haram. And until the much needed, loooong overdue Islamic reform comes along, that's really the only way to be a truly moderate Muslim.

>>8278385

I don't know, I think "demonize the beliefs, and not the people" is as hollow as "hate the sin and not the sinner". People are largely defined by their beliefs. And their beliefs are not necessarily hateful. When you say "Islam is a cancer but I don't hate Muslims' its like saying "homo sex is a cancer, but I don't hate gay people". Huh? What? How can you generalize such huge and deeply multifaceted religions?

I agree it makes more sense to focus on the hate here than the hate half a mile away. Clear out the hate, and that includes Islamaphobia, it includes racism, it includes homophobia, it includes classism. We need to focus on our own communities while also offering a safe haven for religious minorities and sexual minorities facing persecution overseas. Ideally stop doing business with hateful administrations too.

>>8278396
>their own religion's standards

There is no "Pope of Islam". There is no single "standards of Islam". There is never going to be a Muslim "Reformation" because there is never a Muslim Pope and you can already find LGBTQ positive Muslim spaces.

>>8278398
We shouldn't criticize bad ideas?

What?

Then what are you saying because you're making no sense to me.

>>8278378
LGBTQUDJDJFGEJMCNJEYEJDKSLSD Muslims? What do you do about that Bisexual man who is clearly just a faggot trying to be more acceptable? We all know one.

What do you do about a paradoxical creature?

You just marvel at its oxymoronic existence until something fixes it or snuffs it out.

>>8278401
>We shouldn't criticize bad ideas?

By all means, criticize bad ideas. "Islam is cancer" for example, is a bad idea and I just criticized it for you.

Generalizing people and calling major multifaced and complex religions "cancer" is a bad, stupid, and hypocritical idea that is likely being used to hide deeper seated bigotries on your part. Here's me criticizing your bad idea.

>>8278407
Let me know how defending people who's book literally tells them to you people like you works out, whether they be Muslim or Christian.

I'll be over here continuing to push for secularism in my government policies, or as you call it, a "bad idea".

>>8278414
>how defending people who's book literally tells them to you people

This is what happens when you stay up.

>>8278407
I fucking hate faggots that say you can't generalize things or people.

FYI, if you've ever used scientific data to back up any argument ever, you're generalizing phenomena.

>>8278414

Secularism is fine. Because all governments should be neutral and not show favoritism towards one religion over another. BIGOTRY against religion or religions is some kind of Soviet tier evil. Same as bigor

>defending people who's book literally tells them to you people like you works out, whether they be Muslim or Christian.

I've been doing this for years, most people in the USA are Christians and like half support gay marriage too. The politicians who are fighting for gay marriage are mostly Christian. Looks like you have a super narrow minded and prejudiced worldview and don't know what Christianity (or Islam) is really about.

>>8278426
>You can't be bigoted towards bigots! That's...that's...bigoted!

Jesus Christ dude.

>>8278423

OK so why don't I generalize all men to be violent rapists. After all most murderers are men, therefore most men are murderers right?

Just stop it. How can you justify generalizing people? Why make it "us vs them" when we need all the allies we can get.

>>8278432

Wtf are you talking about? Are you saying all religious people are bigoted now? Sounds like you are the bigot. Stop it. Leave your moms basement already.

>>8278414

ALSO its literally impossible to get any government policy established without either the support of religious people or going into full dictatorship mode.

>>8278433
>most murderers are men, therefore most men are murderers
This is your brain on Allah.

>>8278400
And yet Christianity was able to get a reform, with the express intent of removing the Pope. And where might these "positive Muslim spaces" be?

>>8278453

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/progressive-muslims-launch-gay-friendly-women-led-mosques_n_1368460.html

Oh wow 2 second google search. Why not donate to help these places grow and strengthen?

>>8278459
>>8278453

Like seriously....you want Islam to have a "reform"? There is already reform constantly going on. Give money to these LGBTQ friendly spaces. Help the reform.

That said, it will never look like Christianity's reformation which was specifically about rebelling from the Pope. There is no "Muslim Pope". No "one single True version of Islam signed off by an earthly Authority". Islam has been splintered since day one as people came to understand Muhammad's teachings differently.

>>8278459
Wanted to see what country you would pull out and I ain't a mindreader, so asking was necessary.

>>8278465

Though technically, Christianity also had early splinters,which later became consolidated under the Pope, and then split off again. Gay marriage etc. is an ongoing discussion in Christianity with various sects either being "for" or "against" (depending on their understanding of marriage) and will continue to be so.

Same as in Islam. Or in any other religion. Religion is always deeply complex and ties in with tradition, meaning, symbolism, ritual and family. So these will be discussions that need to be haved if we want to help LGBTQ Muslims both at home or in the middle east.

They're not. Most mudslimes hate gay and trans people. "Liberal" mudslimes are a small minority.

The concept of having "allies" is retarded. LGBT is not a group of people or a nation. I'm just a cute femboy who just so happens to be a radical nationalist who wants foreigners to get the fuck out of my country. Not every LGBT person has to be a liberal or libertarian.

Also, we're not going to spend the effort to advanced a bunch of a sandniggers a thousand years socially because "muh alliance".

>>8270298
>unironically using punching up and down

kys I M M E D I A T E L Y you reddit tier sjw faggot

>>8278629

What hurts more? A straight guy calling a gay guy a "fag" or a gay guy calling a straight guy a "straighto"?

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>>8278253
>Your priorities are fucked
>Who is the main opponent of gay marriage? Who is the main opponent of LGBT discrimination in America? Who proposed the NC bathroom bill? Who is the top cop in the US right now?

You mentioned priorities.
Check out pic related.

You're the one with The fucked up priorities.

>>8278319
Not from /pol/.

Even if I was it wouldn't matter.

You haven't refuted any of my claims about the dangers of Islam, and the inherent threat it represents to LGBT people.

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>>8278459
>Huffington Post

Taqiyya!
Taqiyya everywhere.

>>8278699

>taqiyya card

Nice, the last refuge of Islamaphobes. Too bad EVERY religoin and atheists recognize lying is okay in some circumstances. (Like in life vs death situation).

LOL dumb libshit gay is pro Islam and nonwhites when Muslims hate guys and when more nonwhites(especially from Muslim shitholes) would stone you to death.

You are the definition of a cuck, kys.

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>>8256379
100% true.

>Mike Pence said something anti-gay 20 years ago
>LGBT throws a degenerate riot in front of his house all night long

>muslims literally murder gay people by the dozens
>*silence*

>>8257771
>Christians only identify as Christian if they do religious activities
"Cultural Catholics" would disagree

>>8278710
>Silence

Not silence, but loud obnoxious gay chants of "NOT ALL MUSLIMS!"

Better yet: "NOT ALL MUSLIMS DECAPITATE FAGS IN PUBLIC." How about we all take hormone pills, then go to the mall and shop for a new penis and set of testes so that the totally uncommon violent Muslim men can duel with serene justice? FEMALES ASSEMMBLE!!

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>>8278385
you are a moron, christainity and islam are not cancers, they are completely artificial, someone made these books, and you need to get your shitty head out of your feces infested ass and recognize that these books did not spawn from the ether, they are representitive of what humanity wants. athiest countries still had their own ideological garbage they used to oppress or otherwise ignore important shit at their own peril. when the secret police no longer had to enforce religious abstinence the entire country spontaneously combusted into superstition.

This evil is not born of a fucking oldschool book. it is born of the people. it is an expression of what humanity wants. it wants to be special, it wants reasons to kill and torture people it doesn't like, it loves being infallible, and it loves making the rest of the world into sinners destined for damnation.

You look closely into any ideaology and movement and you'll start to see the similarities, feminism is a big one, it did great things, but the minds behind it then and now spoke of a crazed derranged world nobody benefiting from feminism today would recognize, and now the sjws enforce with rigor the exact same predjudice on their own people, demanding conformity in their party line. Democratic and reoublican parties are more polarized than ever and there looks to be very few rational people left in the world who can see how damaging total war with an opposite idiology really is when it comes to what abuses and actions you will tolerate and then praise the side you join as.

Christians got it right on this at least; Humans do have something inate in us that makes us awful, and nobody from the most religious to the thousands of fucking "Scientists" from different fields than meteorology signing a petition against climate change as if theyre experts wants to acknowledge this fact.

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>>8278744
yes not all muslims you fucking retard.
40% may not be all or even a majority but if you take the position you are now you are no different from the idiots who say theyre all good.

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>>8279570
>they are representitive of what humanity wants

religion is a tool to control and oppress the ignorant underclasses.
the fact that you can't see that means that you are ignorant and underclass.
adults with imaginary friends are stupid.

>>8279738
>durrr
welcome to being just as retarded as the people you criticize. enjoy your system of gratification.

>>8280019
People who realize you are retarded shit are not just as retarded as you for realizing you're retarded shit.

>>8280019
WTF? I LOVE SKYDADDIES NOW!!

Literally this entire thread has been one guy claiming it's wrong to think Islam is bad because "other religions have bad people too!!!"
Uh... Yeah, they do, but this is a thread about fucking Islam. I'm not going to claim there ARENT other religious bigots but they're just not the topic of focus here
And how does that even excuse the systematic violence perpetuated on non-Islamics in Islam-majority countries? Was apartheid okay because other countries had racial segregation before too?

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Allah is a lie and Mohammad is his liar. I'd rather not be thrown off a building while I'm at it.
>that feeling when Tumblr brigades

>>8280142
He/she is a paid salafist shill, it's kinda obvious. Ass been lubed with Saudi oil desu

Ayatollah!
Rock-n-rolla!
Please blow up my ass-a-hole-ah!

>>8284247
That was the most beautiful and progressive poem that I've ever heard!

>>8284253
I'm like so tolerant and progressive.

When the Islamic militants come for me I won't even struggle.

I'll just let them murder me!

Thatsba progressive I am!

>>8284247
>>8284253
>>8284263
Ah, all those racist peasants shall bask in my superiority that day! Also, my flying guts.