Since no one seems to agree on the subject, i decided to ask

>>8238387
yes

>>8238387
no

Not necessarily
The "trap" kink seems to encompass otherwise hetero cis men, trans people, cis people with trans partners, and self-identified gay men.
What it means to you and what else you actually do is more relevant to determining your "true" sexual identity.

Yes and I admit this as a trap.

>>8238456
Also if someone is in insecure and real denial about something it's not terribly constructive to tell them so, and I think that fuels this debate as much as the access to sexual expression that doesn't fit into the simple distinctions of gay and straight/male and female that they were taught

>>8238387
Traps themselves are gay because they get fucked by guys. People who fuck traps aren't though since the thing they're fucking looks like a girl.

>>8238387
traps are gay, mtfs aren't (assuming they actually pass somewhat).

>>8238387
No.
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/tag/gynandromorphophilia/

>is fucking a man who identities as a man and wishes to remain a man but happens to be a crossdresser gay?
well jeez I'm not sure!

>>8238387
>are traps gay?
Traps are straight and so are dickgirls, futa, tranny, cuntboys, herms and fucking everything that isn't a cis male.

>>8238387
They kind of are. There's no logical reason why a straight guy would specifically search them out when there are perfectly good cis girls.
If they coincidentally find an mtf and stick with them that's probably not as gay though. But guys that chase mtf's and traps are definitely at least bisexual.

>>8240412
traps = cis males
you
fucking
asshole

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>>8240689

>>8238387
if you're specifically attracted to the fact it's a very feminine guy then yeah

if you just see some flat chested girl and then someone guys "it's a guy btw :3" then not really

if you have a trap fetish it's kinda gay yea

>>8238387
It's only gay if you have sex after you find out he is a man. Watching trap porn will always be gay as fuck though.

>>8240689
Most people on 4chan seem to mishmash cis crossdressers with mtf's anyway

>>8240696
>men who identify as men and happen to crossdress are GIRLS
no, and the next person to say big clitty or boy pussy to me gets hit.

/v/ is an awful board, and they refuse to accept logic.

a trap IDENTIFIES as a man, FEELS like a man, and KNOWS he is a man. if any of these things are not true, he is no longer a trap, but a transsexual. a trap is simply a man who enjoys passing as a girl so he can attract men. if the man fucking a trap doesn't immediately refuse the trap upon seeing the dick, he is at least bisexual.

>>8240716
A trap is any man that appears to be a woman. Doesn't matter whether that man believes he is actually female or not.

>>8238387
nothing is gay
sexuality is a spook

>>8238387

This is basically romantically straight but sexually gay.

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This is a categorical problem. People think in terms of "it's either straight OR gay" and haven't considered that a third option may be possible. Luckily enough, there's been some scientific research done on the topic.

Turns out, guys who get off to trannies AND ciswomen but NOT men are either AGPs or make up a new sexual orientation, the NAGAMP' (short for Non-Autogynephelic Gynandromorphopheliac). Rly makes u think, huh?

>>8246478
So basically chasers really are just repressed trannies kek

>>8246494
No they fall into two distinct categories, AGP and non-AGP.

>>8238387
Anyone who seeks out traps is gay

If you find a trap thinking he's a girl and have sex with him anyway because he looks like a girl it's not gay

If you find a trap thinking he's a girl and have sex with him because you don't care about him having a penis it's bisexual.

>>8246478
>the NAGAMP' (short for Non-Autogynephelic Gynandromorphopheliac
I don't believe they exist.

>>8246578
Well what you BELIEVE doesn't really matter since a bunch of scientists decided to go ahead and PROVE that they DO exist.

All the back-and forth between chasers (insisting that they aren't repressed AGP trannies) and trannies (insisting that they ARE) has been useless. Both sides where right in a way: some chasers are AGP and others are just dudes who like girls but also girls with dicks. Life is funny.

>>8246651
Are all AGPs GAMP?

>>8246704
As far as I can tell, some AGPs are GAMPs as a consequence of being AGP - that is they get off on thinking of themselves as a trap/tranny because that's pretty close to being a woman (and also more realistic), which is their actual fantasy. The study did not prove whether or not ALL AGPs are like this, because that was not the point of it. Yet experience on 4chan tells me that it's probably not the case, but that it's pretty common.

Lesson to learn is that everyone was right. Traps AREN'T gay but they are also NOT straight: chasers ARE sometimes AGP but some are not. Chasers DON'T just fetishise transwomen but they also ARE sort-of into the dick. Every side had one piece of the puzzle. And now we know the full picture.

>>8246760
Kay Brown said all AGPs are GAMP and made it sound like an inherent part of being AGP, not just because trannies are close to women.

>>8246837
Link to studies supporting this? Brown is just a tranny with a blog after all...

But honestly I don't really give a shit about AGPs. The study just vindicates me as a NAGAMP.

>>8246880
Search her blog for "GAMP" and she links the studies at the end of every post.

I'm glad you're vindicated and it's nice to know some chasers aren't AGP but I want to be vindicated too.

Why do NAGAMPs like trannies?

>>8240713
*boipussy

>>8246962
Might check it out later. Like I said I only care about AGPs if they want to be my cocksleeve lol. Are you an AGP GAMP then?

>Why do NAGAMPs like trannies?
It remains as much a mystery to me as my foot fetish, ass fetish and thing for redheads. I just do. I always have. Like even when I was a kid and saw Ace Ventura Pet Detective I found it *interesting* that the girl was trans and didn't get why everyone was disgusted by it. But now I at least know what I am. Praise Kek.

>>8247023
*boipucci

>>8247036
I'm an AGP but I'm not GAMP. I want to be a cocksleeve and I don't want to date an AGAMP.

>>8247084
Interesting. How passable are you?

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>>8238387

>>8247102
Mostly. Now please vindicate me not being GAMP.

>>8247366
Anon, honestly AGP is mostly bullshit as an explanation, and most likely just a way that GD expresses itself in sexuality. There is no logical reason to assume everyone experiencing it would share the exact same attraction because why on Earth would any group of people no matter how similar be attracted to the same things? A tranny doing her best to cherry-pick data and then sprinkle how own opinions on top is not a reason to assume this either.

It's very simple: are you AGP? Yes? Cool. Now do you like trannies? No? Cool. Then you are a non-GAMP AGP. Proof of the pudding is in you being the goddamn pudding, so to speak. Now post a pic so I can tell if you're cute enough to be my cocksleeve in tonight's fap-fantasies :^)

>>8247505
>Now do you like trannies? No? Cool. Then you are a non-GAMP AGP.
I might be suppressing it. You know what it feels like since you wanted to be proven not AGP.

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>>8238387
Liking traps is gay, but it doesn't make you gay. If you had to be gay to like it then we'd have a generation of converted gay weebs right now and a imminent decline in our population.

>>8247590
Nah I knew I wasn't AGP I just needed others to believe it. Hard getting tranny dates when the girls are scared you're just a tranny...

But why would you suppress? Are you scared of liking transgirls? If not just watch some tranny-on-tranny porn and see how your body responds. I mean jeez, it's a question of what YOU like, if anyone can answer it it's you. Now make with the pic, qt3.14 :)

>>8247647
WHAT DID THE SCIENCE JUST PROVE, NIGGER??!!

>>8247663
>But why would you suppress? Are you scared of liking transgirls?
I don't know. Probably yes. No pic unless you reassure me.

>>8247724
Well jeez if you have no reason to suppress why would you? And like I said, even being AGP is just your sexuality expressing your GD. You wanna be sure, look at this: hxxps://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph55cb5a1db4a6f [remove the xx with tt]
If it doesn't get you excited, you're not GAMP.

>>8247811
I do have reason to suppress because I am scared of liking trans girls. No porn excites me.

>>8247861
But why on Earth would you be scared of that? Nothing at all wrong with it. I mean you're trans yourself, kinda right?

>No porn excites me.
Well then there's basically no chance of you being GAMP.

>>8238387
It's technically gay - the best kind of gay.

>>8247886
I don't know why. I just know I don't want to be. I don't need to like porn to have a sexuality.

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>>8247663
that gluten products are yum and we all need dat bum

>>8247908
>I don't like Thing
>b-but I-I'm scared I might like Thing
You don't. Look it's one thing when a homophobic guy actually turns out to be gay so he suppresses. He suppresses because he has a damn good reason to. If you're trans yourself you have no good reason to suppress anything, and you don't even know why you're against it. Maybe you just don't wanna be an AGP sterotype? And guess what? That alone is proof that you aren't. Relax.

And not liking porn means you don't fetishise trannies like a GAMP would. Relax. Just breathe :^)

>>8247933
lol I literally eat pure gluten.

>>8238387
Only if you want them to be.

>>8246478
>many of them where AGP
>where AGP
>where

Oh come on. It was near perfect.

>>8238429
>>8238394
There you have it, OP.

>>8238387
Anything can be gay if you're paranoid enough about it

Yes.

If you're a man and attracted to traps, you're attracted to the penis, so you're gay. If you're a girl, you're attracted to the femininity, and are also gay. The only way to like traps and not be gay is to be a reverse trap (FtM).

They may not be -gay- but they're definitely not straight

You're going out of your way to fuck chix with dix, rather than just get a woman

You're all faggots, deal with it

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>>8238387
It willl be gay, when you have known it to be gay.

>>8238387
A trap is trying to be a trap. but they give up when they find a trap see? Cause they know: that it was a tap for traps. traps are gay till they're not...Infact you could say we're all traps, gay or straight...but the only true trap is in ones own mind...

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>>8250691
Happy, faggot?

>>8250780

Perfect, faggot!

Yes they're gay.

There is no such thing as a chick with a dick, just a guy with boobs

>>8250780

>& Bailey, J.
Okay, I get that the last name goes first here, but this is just too funny.

>>8251207

Plot twist: Bailey J named herself/himself after Michael J. Bailey.

Tlot pwist: Bailey J is actually Michael J. Bailey's alter ego.

>>8251207
Honestly did not think anyone would spot that. You've made my day, anon.

>>8251255
is bailey agp or hsts?

>>8251403
Tough question. Maybe both. People call me a Blanchardian because I talk about AGP, but I see good possibility for HSTS/AGP being more of a spectrum, or the whole thing being much more complicated than that. Only thing that's sure is that AGP exists as a fetish and some men transition because of it.

>>8240421
But I don't want to put my dick in guy pooper

I read so much on this topic but I never really get any closer to understanding.

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>>8238387
Since /r9k/ told me to come here tell me /lgbt/ how the fuck do I get a trap bf