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/mtfg/ - Male to Female general

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Previous thread deleted because of lewds, only pure and innocent girls allowed in this thread.

•Makeup tutorials : http://masterposter.tumblr.com/post/116605714860
•Male vs Female measurement data: https://www.bwc.ohio.gov/downloads/blankpdf/ErgoAnthropometricData.pdf
•Correct hormone levels:http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm
•Checking your levels:http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php
•Reducing Muscle http://www.trans-health.com/2001/lose-muscle-gain-fat-dieting-for-mtfs/
•Size charts:http://www.americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=womens.pantse_conversion_chart.php
•Transition time lines:http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv
•Voice Training:https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1ske7b/mtf_voice_training_regimen/
•Voice Help: http://webjedi.net/projects/lgbtq/speech-therapy/
•Discord: https://discord.gg/qjxGSxY
•IRC: https://www.rizon.net/chat#mtfg

Previous thread >>8227896
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Oops.
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do not talk about having sex with animals thread
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rip old thread
rest in memes
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this is my thread

only i can post in this thread alright?
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>>8230815
Wouldn't that make for a kind of boring thread?
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>>8230807
>because of lewds,
No im pretty sure it was deleted because people were admitting to fucking dogs. I shouldnt have reported it tho sorry
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why did the old thread get deleted?
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>>8230818
I actually filter everyone except for nim
the only reason I saw this post was I'm not at my usual computer
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Where is my estranged Cow Towner?
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>made a thread seconds too late
>lazy trannies decide to be fast

REEEEE


also don't talk about fucking dogs you goddamn degenerates it gets our thread nuked
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You could have prevented this
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>>8230823
because these
>>8230822
>>8230817
Two retards keep talking about fucking dogs and the mods deleted the thread instead of just muting/banning them.
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>>8230827
I'm in my room sitting at my computer
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>>8230817
h-huh
anon dont drag me into ur bestialityposting i dont look at that kind of thing anymore.......

i am buying new clothes soon tho.
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I'm buying my first good wig tomorrow after a visit to an informed consent clinic. Hopefully wig stores won't throw me out for being MtF.
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>>8230822
are you being ironic about the having sex with dogs thing?
you talked about wanting a trans girl to pee on you but played that off as a joke..
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Dogs are not for fucking!
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>>8230830
it was the porn in the op dumbass
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>>8230807
It's simple, don't post pics that will get a thread deleted as the OP pic.
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>>8230833
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei-hUiCO6z8
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I guess a certain someone has had a dog bark at them angrily one too many times as they walked by.
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>get first car today
> bright green and black with a body kit
Can't wait to stand out and get pulled over more often. I can set my bottom headlights to change colors on their own or just to a solid color, but I'm 90% sure the former Will get me pulled over. Might just replace it with a better body kit
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>>8230833
it was probably for the OP pic
I've seen it get removed before even though really it's not THAT sexual I don't think
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>>8230834
Great minds think alike. Now to go play League ciao friendo
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>>8230836
>>8230779
>it was pretty good even if i feel like garbage :~)
Yeah, feeling yucky sucks. I loaded up on D-ribose yesterday and felt good for 4-5 hours, then the exhaustion came back. I went from happy and animated to depressed in less than 30 minutes. I need to figure out what vitamin, mineral, or whatever deficiencies I have, then try to treat for them. They are finding lots of tie in between intestinal issues, fatigue, thyroid, and autoimmune problems.
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please don't ironically act like fucking idiots it's the internet and people can't tell when you're shit posting or not

if you keep doing this retarded shit the thread will be filled with stupid dog fuckers mistaking themselves to be in good company

poe's law. fuck I'm mad
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Dogs have been bred to form relationships with humans, why should this just end at friendly companion?

An erect knotted dog penis can stimulate the human prostate at such a greater capacity than a human penis, there's really no comparison

They're always ready for sex, they're always around, they're never fight with you or treat you wrong

I have never felt sexier than when my lab begins to get aroused around me
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also yeah lol this >>8230841
weve had way worse, it was the op

>>8230846
did u have a good day!!!
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>>8230855
>please don't ironically act like fucking idiots it's the internet and people can't tell when you're shit posting or not
You first, korra.
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>>8230849
wtf are you doing lass my car is from 1997 and was $600
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>>8230841
im a hypocrite for filtering you but you are literally too dumb to reason with
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simple poll
please respond with your honest opinion

http://www.strawpoll.me/12897780
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>>8230863
>this is a trans thread
Why are you here then lmao
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>>8230843
You're my puppy though, and you're definitely for fucking.
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what do you even say to family that posts this kind of stuff?
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>>8230868
DAYUM
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we hired a new employee and she called me cute wtf???
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>>8230855
isn't that what you do every second post you make where you say transbians are disgusting use your fucking trip dumbass
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>>8230868
Lmao upvote
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Have ever seen a golden retriever give you "the look"?

There is not a single hotter thing
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Can we all agree to filter pandora

Adding to the list of dumb shit he's done

- Tells lesbians to kill themselves
- Encourages underage kids to have sex with dogs
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>>8230871
Call them a faggot.

>>8230873
Careful cis girls can sense weakness.
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>>8230875
she never said i was disgusting for being a transbian.
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>>8230862
What do u mean what am I doing?
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>>8230878
-post dick pics
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>>8230871
1 7 7 6
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>>8230878
pandora and korra are the only people I filter

im surprised they arent friends
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what is going on
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>>8230873
congrats! it means you're a cute girl now :]

>>8230875
>said transbians are disgusting
?? uhh u w0t. i dont care who someone sleeps with that's their personal business
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>>8230871
use that setting where they are still in your friend list but you don't see any of the things they post
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>>8230859
Yes?
Did u?
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>>8230883
Forgot image pls kill me for terminal autism
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>>8230884
>not for chasers to talk to transgirls
WHY
ARE YOU HERE
THEN
LMAO
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>>8230881
idk i was just joking sounds like a fancy car though
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imagine being so lonely and desperate for sexual gratification that you fuck an animal that is incapable of consent
pretty gross
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>>8230879

!

>>8230890

But I felt so gross todayyy
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Who ordered sassy black woman grace?
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>>8230852
aw man :( im sorry. for me its all the same shit as always. i just started new meds so hopefully they'll help... supposedly making nausea worse is a really common side effect tho so ... bleh.
it helps to have support though.

good luck.

>>8230866
i need new warm weather stuff too, thats what im getting!! all skirts and blouses and dresses because im sick of wearing pants all the fucking time. i wanna look and feel cute again gdi.

im jealous of ur being able to sew... i always wanted to learn but never did!

>what are you looking at
i guess... stuff with happy and pure endings mostly... lol..............
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>>8230898
olive help
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>>8230898
yeah i just threw up in my sink a few times when they were talking about losing their virginity to a dog. Like holy shit /pol/ was right , some of us really are that degenerate.
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>>8230871
>rainbow flag
literally just gay
>confederate battle flag
literally traitors

not quite the same thing tbqh
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>>8230892
not enough
>>8230884
why do you feel to need to share ur mental retardation with everyone here? can't you just maybe idk.. Not type this kind of shit
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>>8230898
ye but what can you do but ignore it even tho it's animal abuse :/

>>8230899
apparently she disagreed!
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Are you guys ready for mothers day and remember that youll never be able to celebrate it as a mother?
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>>8230851
that's a shit game but hope you have fun
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>>8230913
mom's dead

i win
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>>8230902
Why
are you here
tho
>>8230901
I just feel
fuckin sassy
y'all are just ASKIN for it tonight
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>>8230910
>can't you just maybe idk.. Not type this kind of shit
this x999999
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but i have my weak, immobile, low test sperm stored
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>>8230910
buy a big knife and cut off their fingers so they can't post anymore
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>>8230917
I did knot expect such a sassy Grace.
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>>8230921
you weren't totally infertile were you?
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post a screenshot of a game you have on your computer RIGHT NOW or else
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>>8230911

I... huh. You're right.
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>>8230897
Its ok. Surprinsgly, the owner left a $2kish sound system in it, as it was used. I just need to replace two rear struts and get tags. Can't wai tto drive It more
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>>8230871
Freedom of expression
vs supporting slavery. Not even apples to oranges, more like fruit to landmines.
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>>8230928
What did I say about using my little witches?
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>>8230928
just kill me
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>>8230871
i'd ask them why they hate america desu
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>>8230927
my sperm count was 0.1 million and the average sperm count is 40-60 million

i didn't get a sperm analysis so the sperm that i did get stored could be useless
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>>8230933
top bad they're mine now

>>8230935
/kills you
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>>8230938
Dont feel bad im infertile now too.
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>>8230941
thank you
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>>8230941
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>>8230942
forgot trip
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>>8230928
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>>8230947
but my babies :(
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>>8230924
You're knot kidding, huh?
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>>8230954
just adopt, my gf and i plan on doing that.
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>>8230956
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>>8230904
Good luck to you too.

>>8230904
>sewing
Look up some videos on Youtube. It isn't hard, you just need the equipment, and it setup right. Take some rags, cut them up and try sewing various stitches on them. Different cloth types like different stitches, but there are books to tell you what to use. I never could remember them. I didn't sew enough.
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I need someone to come and pat me on the head and tell me everything is going to be okay right now
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How do I stop being ashamed of everything?
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>>8230928
I don't have any games on this computer.
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>>8230963
everything is gonna be ok tho
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>>8230931
>more like fruit to landmines.
Fruit to barbwire.
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what lewds????
the picture I used in the OP was a worksafe pic, its been posted on /lgbt/ plenty of times before...
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>>8230963
Everything will be alrightalie, Natalie.
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>>8230963
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Ecebm9TGFf
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>tfw your favorite youtubers used your advice in their new episode
SENPAI NOTICED ME
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okay now i need everyone who pat me to fight each other in a deathmatch
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>>8230972
4 couples fucking...nope nope nope
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>>8230973
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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>>8230981
Don't worry, like I said, you're the only one that gets any heavypetting from me. <3
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>>8230977
i-i didn't pat
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>>8230973

>Tfw boys have been giving me headpats lots...
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I have to meet Sertii in 5 hours and explain why there's a human spine growing out of my chest (carefully photoshopped or removed from pictures via angling).
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>>8230977
No thanks.
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>>8230928
i dont play video games, sorry ):
>>8230904
hey dude wut up
>>8230898
>>8230898
rip
>>8230980
Syndie, that image has been posted on this worksafe board dozens of times before with 0 issues.
no nipples or genitals were visible.
so
but now I see that people were talking about bestiality and all kinds of other shit.
if that pic wasn't worksafe, i also would have been banned for posting that picture, and I was not.
tl;dr you dont know what you're talking about fuck off.
>>8230976
hi, can you not talk to me you enormous piece of shit?
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>>8230989
>no genitals were visible
WRONG there were balls you dummy
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>>8230989
U could see the balls of the girl in thw top right part
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66UNDxw7elY

Well I guess I need to postpone my orchiectomy to get a Smith and Wesson 500 now.
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>>8230996

Too much test for me....
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>>8230997
You don't have to have testosterone just to enjoy having a tool that can destroy anything it touches
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>>8230928

pew pew bots
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>>8230996
Wanna talk on discord again or nah?
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>>8230996
literally what point does this video serve
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>>8231004
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>>8231002

All that aggression... Need to tank your T baby
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>>8230989
dude the image had people fucking in it yeah it might be 'worksafe' but don't get mad at people for pointing something out
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>>8231006
<3 I love you~.
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>>8230995
well if you look that hard you can find balls ANYWHERE desu
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are we witnessing live the end of another grace relationship
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>>8231007
So after everyone filters you, you just go anonymous?

Don't you understand when you're not welcome and unwanted? It means go away, stop talking, begone, cease and desist, stop being a plague on our community.

Go away. You're an awful person.
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>>8231013
Her autism has been on display a lot more recently.

She's acting super clingy too.
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>>8231010
Don't you dare look at any other skank again
>>8231013
Breaking up on our one month anniversary KEEPIN IT CLASSY
>>8231016
yea but that's why Christina loves me, my autism is endearing to her

She also likes it when I cling
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>>8231006
You are so jealous and neurotic that it is pathetic. This is why online ldr are a joke and why you have different relationships every month. Seriously, grow up. No grown man or woman in real life wants to date a tranny with the mind of a 12 year old petulant child. In before you disregard this post because it's "mean". It's actually how the real world outside of desperate losers on 4chan works.
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>>8231014
>Don't you understand when you're not welcome and unwanted?
she admitted to being autistic so its possible that she doesnt have the mental capacity to understand why shes unable to interact with others. At all.
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>>8231019
>maximum salt: the post
I love tranny drama.
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>>8231010
Please ignore Grace's jealous bullshit. She's a spoiled child that is incapable of real meaningful relationships. I hope you have a good talk with your friends on discord without that storm of autism guilt tripping you over not spending every second of your time coddling her like an infant. Props to you for having that much patience. I sure as hell wouldn't.
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>>8231019
>>8231027
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can we like talk about clothes or something idk
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>>8231004
I removed you because you pushed me into a breakdown after I begged you for weeks to stop doing something and a few days later you did it again I kind of hoped it was pretty evident I am upset at you

>>8231005
WHY NOT
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>>8231030
I dont mind the drama but sure, where do you go shopping for clothes.
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>>8231023
Its really not salt. I'm just sick and tired of trannies acting like over grown children and that kind of backwards mentality being encouraged instead of frowned upon. Real life is nothing like this place and acting like that when you're in your adulthood is a massive handicap in life.
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>>8231030
ok i want clothes but i dont have money
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>>8231030
I dunno nim, is that gay?
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>>8231027
pretty sure she was joking

>>8231030
i have 2 boymode sweaters and 3 flannel type shirts how about you Emily
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>>8231036
Whether or not you are right is irellevent. You are obviously insanely jealous that other people are getting affection and attentin and you are not. Your posts are dropping with bitterness, sour grapes and pettiness.
If they want to have a dysfunctional relationship then let them, its none of your fucking business.
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>>8230989
When it shows up continually in the OP image, it is bound to find somebody with less tolerance.

>>8230996
That last round is what they call a bear slug. Note, not guaranteed to stop a bear. It's just the biggest round most people can handle and it has a good chance of breaking through the bear rib cage to do terminal damage. It won't stop a bear in it's tracks. They have a good minute to two minutes to maul you to death after you shredded their heart and lungs. You need to shoot out their central nervous system to stop them in their tracks.
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>>8231013
No lol, it's all maymays. Mostly anyway, I do wanna talk to Nat again, but her reasons are valid.
>>8231016
Cling's fine, I quite like it.
>>8231018
Mine. <3
>>8231027
Lel. Thanks for complimenting my patience, I guess.
>>8231032
I figured both the response and the reasons why, I'm sorry but that's not really enough.
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>>8231040
>and 3 flannel type shirts
dyke
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>>8231034
It's never okay for a partner to be jealous of another partner having a platonic friend and speaking with them. I get that you're extremely young but in adult world that kind of shit is unacceptable and seen as very unattractive. I've listened to friends break up over their boyfriend or girlfriend being clingy like that because adults want an equal, not a grown child to raise and coddle.
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>>8231045
Just learn to be
>sweet and intelligent
online too.
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>>8231048
You sound like someone who is underage and trying way too hard to seem more mature than you actually are. I know plenty of cis girls irl that are jealous and act way younger than they should. Should they be doing it? Of course not. But to pretend it doesnt happen outside of trannies is beyond ridiculous and just proves you rarely interact with females in real life.
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>>8231044
I don't plan on fighting bears anytime soon so I should be alright.

>>8231046
I don't know, what do you want me to tell you?
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>>8231013

>grace relationship

regraceonship?
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>>8231035
im asking cuz my wardrobe is just t-shirts and baggy jeans right now lol

im pretty sure i got most of them at like jcpenny

>>8231038
go to goodwill

>>8231039
idk whatever i say seems to annoy you so im just not gonna say anything

>>8231040
i own 5 t-shirts, 4 jeans and one old stained hoodie
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>>8231057
goodwill doesn't have free clothes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So, is mtfg ready to admit it thinks about /pol/ when it faps?
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>>8231054
I mean, I don't expect you to tell me anything. But I do like you so I thought I'd try. Again, I'm sorry.
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>>8231059
but they're on the cheapo

steal from their donation bins okay
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>>8231047
i guess that does make me sound like a dyke but I'm actually into guys

i got the shirts when my grandpa died because no one wanted them so i just took them lol
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>>8231043
Why is jealousy always the default assumption? Do you really think that all criticism is based off of envy? That is a logical fallacy. If I see something I'm going to give my opinion of it. For the record, I have a partner that I've been happy with for well over three years, so your assumption is off base. I just want to see trannies on this site stop acting like infants and encouraging this behavior because it does no favors in real adult life.
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>>8231057
>im asking cuz my wardrobe is just t-shirts and baggy jeans right now lol
Go to american eagle and get girls t shirts then. Some of them look kind of androgynous. Get some cute yoga pants too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DcA1TtaP_c
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reminder............
clickondetroit.com/news/detroit-man-shoots-transgender-woman-in-face-after-paying-for-sexual-act-in-back-seat-of-car
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>>8231057
Sorry, you don't deserve my sass.
Whatcha wanna talk about about clothes?
I need to go pick up some shorts tomorrow, and look for swimsuits, kinda nervous on the swimsuits.
>>8231060
I do, hence my gf. And past /pol/ bfs. :^)
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>>8231055
>whenever i'm uncomfortable / irritated
Take a self imposed timeout. Try to relax and calm down before posting.
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>>8231060
im usually still browsing /pol/ when i fap and looking at all the posts telling me to gas myself.

>>8231064
>For the record, I have a partner that I've been happy with for well over three years,
UH huh. Seems totally legit.
> I just want to see trannies on this site stop acting like infants
A lot of people on lgbt are underage you know that right? This isnt exactly the most mature group of people you are going to meet.
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>>8231068
Fucking based...
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>>8231068
oh, beep this makes me thing about something my mom was telling me.
i dont want to post it though so here
https://clyp.it/2gfqkc0z
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>>8231061
It'll hurt more people than me again so I'll to decline.
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>>8231068
top comment: this has nothing to do with trans

based indeed...
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>>8231066
im just looking to get right on the edge of andro without passing over into girlmode right now lol

i feel like i probably don't have the eye for it which is why it makes me nervous

>>8231071
ive just been thinking about making my wardrobe more andro without it being too obvious, ya know?

i just want like subtle things that subconscious say feminine but don't make it obvious that im trying to look more feminine?

i dont even know if that stuff exists, i keep saying im gonna go to the goodwill next to my house but i never do
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>>8231067
Grace has always been an insufferable cunt with severe mental instability and a massive need of everyone's attention. Have you not seen her sperg outs when she doesn't get enough (You)s herr just for existing? She just used to hide her cunt and attention needy side more but now she doesn't and is upset that more and more people dislike the real Grace and she can't go back to her fake kawaii purity persona. Filter and ignore until she leaves from lack of attention.
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>>8231073

They're just joking. Secretly, they long to dom you.
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>>8231076
>https://clyp.it/2gfqkc0z
Is violence in the black community against transgirls really that bad? Im sorry to hear that.
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>>8231082
no. especially not if you pass. my mom is just an asshole.
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>>8231014
Who do you think I am? xD
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>>8231080
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>>8231081
>. Secretly, they long to dom you.
Oh i know when i would post nudes and stuff i would always get the most you's.

In fact i met a guy who i might turn into a sugar daddy on /pol/.
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>>8231077
Okay, I understand.
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>>8231076
get her to move you somewhere white then. thats sounds like manipulation to me
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Hahahaha faggots
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>>8231082
it's violence against trans in communities in poverty and many blacks live and grow up in poverty conditions unfortunately
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>>8231084
>especially not if you pass.
Good point. But iv heard its a problem in the US with a lot of trans girls who will like basically not tell the dude they are hitting on that they have a penis, go to have sex, the guy realizes they have a penis and then kills them in shock/anger. I dont understand how trans girls could be so dumb as to do that kind of shit. I mean obvously its no excuse to kill them at all, but you cant go around looking like a girl and not expect that most men will assume you have a vagina because 99% of women do.
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>>8231095
I didn't know they did those for men...
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>>8231079
My best guess would be girl jeans, can be mistaken for guy jeans but have the feminine cut.
Baggy things always work to at least help hide the masculinity.
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>>8231085
Chelsea from aus i would guess i guess
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>>8231095
congrats! i wanna get one of those! it looks pretty gud :o
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black people tell me why you never tip?
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>>8231107
could you not
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How to not be a terrible girlfriend and stop messing everything up?
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>>8231109
You can only really learn this stuff from experience.
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>>8231100
hmmm, i can try that

gonna be lookin mad sketch in the women's section at goodwill
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>>8231098
i think the more common scenario is that the guy knows she is trans and they date kind of but he is ashamed of being attracted to her because it's gay or something so he kills her to restore his honor or something
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>>8231063
>flannel-wearing agp into dudes
hot
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>>8231109
1. be selfless instead of selfish
2. talk to them all the time
3. Tell them how much they mean to you
4. Do things that make them happy
5. Spend time with them
6. If you have relatonship problems talk about them cordially instead of blowing up at them. Be calm and peacefully explain your problems.
7. Remember you love them and they love you.
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>>8231108
im genuinely a curious delivery driver.
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>>8231116
am i really agp just because i still wear men's clothing
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>>8231117
good advice desu
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>>8231114
i have never heard of this happening. Got any examples?
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I see that on the even of visiting me Sertii decided to get into a very extended argument. It seems my Something Awful forums brain virus spreads quite quickly.
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>>8231113
Nah, nobody cares. You'll just be nimmy shopping.
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>>8231091
lol
this is the ethnic makeup of where we live
she's just being a prick
>>8231098
i agree with anon>>8231114
and from alot of stories I've been told, men get violent against transwomen when transwomen reject their advances and stuff
idk
i dont date guys really, and i dont do alot of sex so eh
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I'm pretty drunk someone be my friend?
Please?
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>>8231123
give her a nose flick for me okay
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>>8231117
I try to do all that but I still mess things up by being overly emotional
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>>8231113
No one cares beyond the occasional weird look.

>>8231119
Everything is agp by this boards standards
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>>8231128
That's why I said you learn from experience. Its very hard to apply a general guideline to relationships without experience because they're by definition very emotionally charged.

>>8231127
Will do.
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>>8231128
>by being overly emotional
Im overly emotional too sometimes. i could help you learn to stimulate the front part of your brain to be more rational if you want but it takes a bit of effort and idk if you really want my help or not.

>>8231129
>Everything is agp
Today i got in the shower and washed my dick. Literally agp.
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>>8231118
>>8231108
>>8231107
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/26/travel/tr-insider26
http://www.ebony.com/news-views/are-black-people-really-bad-tippers-981
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/21/whats-behind-racial-differences-in-restaurant-tipping/
there u go
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The most AGP thing in the world is being alive.
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this one is a better graph
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so i'm sitting here...filling out the information for sperm banking when it hit me...this is it.

Everything from here on out will be different...i've spent my whole life in agonizing mental and physical anguish. Had a few good times not gunna lie...but i knew i couldn't sustain the male acting and lucky good moments forever. Changes had to be made....

So i made them, dropped out of college, kept my anxiety down long enough to land a job (got fired and missed out on several jobs based on anxiety alone, this took almost 3 months) got my voice a bit higher, saw a dermatologist to help ease my acne.

A year after i dropped out and made my plans to transition i'm feeling and looking alot better as well. I thought i had another few weeks before the hormones came in the mail but as i'm sitting here filling out these forms it hit me.

This is it...it all comes down to this...everything i have ever wanted, all the nights spent crying, the money spent, the days when the only thing keeping me going were the thought of living as a female...

It all boils down to one moment... (most likely Monday morning)everything i have ever wanted is right in front of me and is there earlier than i ever expected it to be.

Not sure what emotion i'm feeling right now because it honestly feels like all of them...

fuggg
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>>8231135
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/21/whats-behind-racial-differences-in-restaurant-tipping/
I see.
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Pfft, fucking hell. This place properly loses its nut around this time of day.
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>>8231098
dating is tricky if you pass. you have to be open and honest about your status as transgender right away so that they can decide if they want to pursue you or not without any hard feelings or invested emotions to run wild.

ive never had a bad experience with a guy or girl by telling them I'm trans. but it was important to let them know so they could make that informed decision and to show that I wasn't trying to deceive or mislead them!

on online dating apps it was a bit of a mixed bag of responses some people were like oh crap a transgender I'm out....

others were like okay idc so I always support saying it as early as possible to mitigate as much potential aggression as possible doubly so when sex is involved
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>tfw you know it's probably not safe but you're now researching shoulder shorting surgeries
http://www.dr-kimura.com/ope-list/other/
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>>8231141
today i woke up and was generally aware of my penis existing. Literally too agp to function.

>>8231142
TY
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>>8231071
Just how /pol/ are your gf and bfs?
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>>8231149
you need to chill the fuck out dude.
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>>8231147
>dating is tricky if you pass. you have to be open and honest about your status as transgender right away so that they can decide if they want to pursue you or not without any hard feelings or invested emotions to run wild.
Yeah thats one of the reasons im glad i date girls now, the risk of me getting beaten up or killed when they find out i have a dick is way less than if i was going after guys

Maybe transbian really is the master race. jk
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>>8231153
it just seems too good to be true!

im calm :(
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>>8231145
Most Euro posters aren't up yet and most American posters are asleep, I guess.
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>>8231151
Sieg heil, desu.
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>>8231153
nim is on 4chan too much and has no url friends to keep her grounded so what do you expect. This is standard 4chan insanity coming into play.
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>>8231131
I don't wanna ruin my relationship getting experience though
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>>8231095
i...i love you
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can pandora stop getting into fights with, literally, every single living organism in the world? the answer is no
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>>8231121
on wiki page for unlawfully killed trans people they have 4 where the bf killed a transgirl

what i was taking about more though they probably aren't dating but they fuck once then the guy murders her later to try to hide it
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>>8231158
Dude is gender neutral
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>>8231163
Oh of course not. but if its going through a rough patch this will on itself be experience you can make use of should trouble arise again. Relationships are kinda like that in my experience.
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>>8231126
I'm sorry i don't have enough energy to have friends i just lay in bed all day
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>>8231145
I'll be losing both my nuts soon :^)

>>8231165
Should start putting in the OP to filter and ignore him like Drake. If you read the last thread he was trying to groom underage posters to have sex with dogs.
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>>8231160
are u me
>>8231166
Link

>>8231168
DUDE
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Sry to everyone I'm actually rly drunk
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>>8231155
with guys it's a bit overblown on the violence thing. now if you keep it a secret you are playing with some life threatening fire but of you're open and honest right out of the gate then its more or less the same as with a girl

although to be fair i have no clue what it's like to be with a girl in a relationship ive only had one sham of a gf when I was early hrt and unpassing. she just used me for sex to experiment with a tranny so im kinda jaded on them along with no attraction :s
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>>8231162
ive tried to take breaks but i gotten even more lonely when i left
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>>8231177
highlight unlawfully killed trans people and right click google search then control f boyfriend I'm on my phone pls understanding
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>>8231179
>so im kinda jaded on them along with no attraction :s
Im sorry to hear that Korra.
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seriously gonna push to get ffs before insurance refuses me under trump law
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okay goodnight

beep you're pretty!
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>>8231191
good night cutie
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>>8231191
nim is a sleepy angel
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>>8231191
goodnight sleepy cutie Emily
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>>8231177
I dunno, am I?
>>8231191
Nighty night Nimmy Nim.
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>>8231191
good night nim!
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>>8231186
its nothing to be sorry about really just something that happened that eventually led to me just not liking girls in the romantic capacity

i think i was i lyrics ever meta attracted to them to begin with since that's what I was raised to like and i was beaten over the head that liking boys was completely unacceptable and even entertaining the thought would send me to hell to burn for eternity so i uber repressed my attraction to dudes for years

(and also becsuse i got raped by an older male cousin for years and it made me pissed off at guys and pissed off that he was trying to force me to be a faggot like him so it pushed me even further away from the idea of liking guys to prove that he didn't "win" and turn me into a faggot like him)

do all in all my mindset was a compete shit show that took years to unfuck
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Why do boys kiss on the first date, girls never kiss me on the first day
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Idk uh add me on skype carvins creek
I'm like I said drunk and just want rly want to talk to someone
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>>8230807
am I still banned or what?
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>>8231208
Forgot trip but fuck my asshole
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>>8231204
i'd kiss u on the first date. maybe a soft bite on your lower lip.
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>>8231204
really? girls always kiss me/want to kiss me on the first date.
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How long on hormones should I be before getting breast implants? Is it possible to go up 2 cup sizes (A to C) without it looking super fake? What will happen if I get them too early?
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>>8231179
electrolysis or laser for you?
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>>8231213
That doesn't sound like what a boy does, it was super aggressive, he pushed me into the wall and stuff

That sounds much nicer
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>>8231217
as long as he wasnt a bad kisser thats ok
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>>8231214
Maybe it's a gay thing, it's always a slow courtship with cis girls, maybe kissing on the third date
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>>8231198
>am I?
i thought i was the only right leaning proud white person on this board.

>>8231203
>and also becsuse i got raped by an older male cousin
Holy shit that is fucked up im really sorry to hear that. You didnt need to share that but im glad that you did.
>>8231204
Boys are more desperate for affection and thirsty to get laid.

>>8231215
just grow natural c cup like i did.
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>>8231219
I'm not gay I just went along with it so I'd be a better bf

My body might be a little gay tho
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>>8231216
neither. I just get a close shave and cover with concealer
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>>8231132
I just washed off my brow pencil.
So agp.
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>>8231222

I'm 10 months and they're just A cups, and not nice round, filled out A cups, they're like, kinda cone-like :(
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>>8231230
Breast development takes 6 to 7 years to finish.
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>>8231230
>I'm 10 months and they're just A cups,
i didnt have c cups for like pretty much 2 years. Just give it time.

What dose of estrogen are you on?

>>8231228
LITERALLY agp
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>>8231224
y not? now you get to feel extra dysphoric when you take ur makeup off every night...

hence why im getting laser or electrolysis...maybe both?
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>>8231217
i know the perfect way to kiss you because I'm the best you'll ever have.

even if that story sounds a little fayke.

i wonder why no one fake posts as me neat sexy adventure stuff
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>>8231222
its all water under the bridge now. im over it and it doesn't bother me like it used to since i can acknowledge that it was a bad thing that happened and move on

but the point I was trying to make is that it fucked with my sexuality a lot growing up. I didn't WANT to be gay and i hated the fact that I was attracted to dudes on some level. as a teenager I couldn't figured out if the attraction would have developed naturally since I was a bit of a effeminate flamer as a kid before the abuse or if the attraction was forced on me which I tried to reject as much as possible.

that caused a lot of distress and self hate and over compensation that didn't get worked out for like 12 years. I'm glad I'm over it now but boy was it crappy having no idea what I really wanted or why for so long
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>>8231223
whatever you gotta tell yourself i guess
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>>8231235
will you pay for mine? i found a sweet deal but iv only got 30 bucks in my bank, cant get a job because of stress and anxiety, and parents wont give me more because i broke a dish tonight when it slipped out of my hand while cleaning it.
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>>8231241
please use tripcode
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>>8231224
>my boyfriend wakes up to me with beard stubble

Also you just can't replicate the smooth soft glow of natural hairless skin without it, sorry, it always looks gross without a pound of makeup
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>>8231234

I take 20mg estradiol valerate right in the butt once a week, and 200mg spiro a day and 100mg progesterone a day
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>>8231215
i'd wait at least 3 years, but i think 5-8 is better.
breasts take a long time to grow
>>8231220
wtf is that supposed to mean, all the girls i'm talking about were cis.
cis and gay, but yeah
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>>8231241
Do you think that being raped by a guy affected your sexuality or do you think you would have liked guys regardless. Sorry if thats a touchy subject im just curious because i dont know many people who have been raped who are willing to talk about it.

My gf freezes up and cries anytime she remembers hers, no matter how much i try to comfort her.
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>>8231204
I've always been kissed on the first date.

It may be boys are the ones initiating things, and girls ok or reject the advances boys make.
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>>8231235
no car first and foremost so u couldn't even drive to any appointments. secondly I can't afford that because I have rent that I can barely pay each month on my modest waitress earnings.

i have to save for a car first and then get a second job and then maybe I can start looking for laser or electro but yeah facial hair triggers me and it's a bug source of dysphoria when I feel stubble
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>>8231246
filter her filenames, she always uses the same ones.
yw
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>>8231233

but I've seen some girls with really really nice implants, like, you can hardly tell they're fake and I'm tired of my chest being so smol
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>>8231248
You will be fine then just have some patience. I was still a cup at 10 months.
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>>8231246
She got to the point of being completely filtered

Made a whole new trip and it happened again

Her masculine sense of entitlement is pretty strong
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>>8231262
not that its any of my business but why are you filtering her? i find most of her posts to be generally kind, insightful and free of any shitpostiing or autism.
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>>8231258
I couldn't advise you on what to do with your own body. I can assure you that later on your breasts will appear more natural by themselves over time, even if it takes..a long time. Getting implants early on might give them a disproportionate look in regards to the rest of your body if it hasn't completely feminized yet - Upper body muscle loss, hip size, etc.
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>>8231251
Gays can't put babies in each other
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>>8231247
yeah shit sucks but my hands are tired until i have the means of getting rid of it permanently ;_;

>>8231252
looking back on it, probably not. if left alone I would have still ended up a tranny and liking guys I just would have accepted it sooner rather than later since it would have been a natural development

the only thing the bad stuff did was force me into repressing for so long had it bot happened I probably would have transitioned that much sooner but cant change the past

and yeah that's a rough subject to talk about I used to be the same exact way because it's such a shameful and painful thing to remember until you work though all the psychological damage it's done :(
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>>8231271
idgi
we're both gay(or bi, or pansexual) women.
what are you trying to get at
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>>8231264
Niggers don't deserve trips.
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>>8231252
Have your gf get some therapy and EMDR. It sucks to have past events control one' life like that.
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>>8231279
What do you mean we, you and your date?
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>>8231276
>and yeah that's a rough subject to talk about I used to be the same exact way because it's such a shameful and painful thing to remember until you work though all the psychological damage it's done :(

Yeah im not really sure how to talk about it with her but i can tell it still bothers her a lot. Most people i can reach on sensitive subjects but its like she literally goes into freeze mode and just cant handle even thinking about it at all. It really makes me so sad that i wasnt there for her (tho i didnt even know her at the time and we were both still boymode) and that i just dont know how to help her with it.

I mean its not a HUGE issue, shes generally pretty happy and loving and adorable. But it comes up sometimes when rape gets mentioned.
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>>8231283
yeah, my dates and myself
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>>8231230
what dose of estrogen and cypro or spiro?
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>>8231259
>>8231265
>>8231251

okays, thank you girls!
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>>8231280
Thats interesting. She has done nothing do deserve your hate other than her skin colour. Lol and people were calling ME /pol/.

>>8231282
She wont let me do emdr on her and we cant afford therapy.
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>>8231289

see
>>8231248
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I was raped a lot and I don't think it affected me much if at all. Am I wrong and just unaware of it?
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>>8231264
no one except the fucking retard pol fags cares that she's black. most people don't like her because she says fucking stupid and annoying things. like how she 'dated' like 3 different trannies here then came back a few weeks later talking about how she's always been straight and transbians are gross. there is a reason she posts as Anon and avatars so you can't filter her.
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>>8231293
nobody can say, but probably
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>>8231293
>Am I wrong and just unaware of it?
If you were actually raped then yes, it probably affected you quite a lot and you are just repressing it.
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>>8231293

Probably
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>>8231286
ouch damn. you have to tread very softly on that subject because not everyone responds to it the same way.

sounds like she has some brutal mental scars from it so I would highly recommend a trained professional to help with this since they're the experts.

i used to be the same way just freeze the fuck up and pretend it didn't happen and do my best to ignore the problem. issue with that is when left unchecked it festers like a cancer and can ruin her future.

all i can say is love her and be there for her like you have and let her know you ate here for her should she ever feel ready to move past it but by no means should you try and force it you need to be gentle or you can drive a wedge between y'all and make things worse
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>>8231291
Ah, hope your financial situation improves a lot.

>>8231293
>Am I wrong and just unaware of it?
You're likely repressing a lot. It's also likely the root cause of your self hatred.
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>>8231295
>like how she 'dated' like 3 different trannies
i never saw her say that but then agian i only came back to lgbt yesterday. its been years

>here is a reason she posts as Anon and avatars so you can't filter her.
well i guess i will see then
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>>8231293
it absolutely has affected you. I used to think the exact same way and going on living life like it hadn't fucked me up in a lot of ways I was incapable of perceiving because of my compromised mental health

i dont think it's even possible to be raped without some damage and I've talked to about a dozen different rape victims
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>>8231299
Thank you korra.

>>8231300
>hope your financial situation improves a lot.
Doubtful unless my sympathetic chain magically grows back and i can deal with stress again.

Do major nerve things like that grow back? Shit i dont even know what to google to find that out. I guess its just part of the nervous system so it would be nerves.
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>>8231296
>>8231297
>>8231298
gosh hecking darnit

>>8231300
Probably, but sex and coercion and the such aren't what really cripple me or bring up traumatic memories.

Abandonment and fear of being judged are what really make me freeze up and hate myself.

I mean, I remember a lot of what they did to me, it's really not that bad, it feels a million times worse to me when I'd get abandoned or beaten or hurt for trying my best at something as a child and having nothing I ever did be good enough.
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>>8231243
lmfao...uhh no not today but one word...groupon. Amazing laser deals.
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>>8231313
>.groupon. Amazing laser deals.
yeah
https://www.groupon.com/deals/renew-glow-laser-3#merchant-info-map
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>>8231307
About the only thing I really noticed as a consequence of what happened is that I can't be alone near groups of women and I try to keep my back to a wall and can't sleep with someone in the same room and always try to be nearest to the exit

Also I really like being forcibly taken and used in the bedroom, that's kind of a funny twist
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is my singing alright?
https://clyp.it/0vshkjzq
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>>8231317
you can stack deals if you find the right ones/loopholes at the right locations.

I had a friend get her laser done with 30 dollars (10 sessions lol)
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>>8231259
How long have you been on HRT?
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>>8231320
>https://clyp.it/0vshkjzq
pretty impressive desu your voice is really good
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>>8231320
you're all kinds of offkey and pitchy, but it sounds androgynous or feminine, so
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>>8231323
>you can stack deals if you find the right ones/loopholes at the right locations.
pls help me do that for calgary.

>>8231324
2 years.
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>>8231328
pofjwepofirhsodfjkaolfj
wtf C cup in 2 years?
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What should I do if I like how my boobs are at almost 4 months and don't want them to grow much more cause I don't want em too look weird
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>>8231332
dont ask
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>>8231295
why are you making stuff up? let me refute this dumb crap for the final time so that these repeated memes will stop

>"dated" 3 different trannies

okay not sure why this is a problem but yeah I ""e dated"" 3 girls from here when I was lonely confused and desperate as all fuck early into transition. it was basically just talking in Skype outside if mtfg that never really went anywhere or meeting face to face

>always been straight and transbians are gross

wew lass. one is an outright fabrication and the other one was me l i t e r a l l y shitposting I've said time and time again I give zero fucks who someone has sex with and it's entirely their business str8=bi=gay it doesn't matter at all


hopefully this ends the shitty meme but some anons are really biter and petty and love to hang on to childish hate years after the fact
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>>8231334
nothing because if you stop taking estrogen you will be super depressed again. Just learn to love your breasts and not be so self conscious about them.
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>>8231310
>Abandonment and fear of being judged are what really make me freeze up and hate myself.
>Iit feels a million times worse to me when I'd get abandoned or beaten or hurt for trying my best at something as a child and having nothing I ever did be good enough.
Then these are the issues you need to see a therapist who knows how to treat CPTSD. Sadly it is one of the hardest trauma types to treat. Not many therapists can treat it. It's much harder than PTSD because it is wrapped up in attachment issues. I don't know if I'll ever get over mine, but I can at least function a bit in safer situations. For awhile I couldn't.
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>>8231340
I'm not going to therapy okay
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>>8231339
Well I wouldn't do that, but I really don't want them to be too big unless they get super big
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>>8231338
its ok korra i didnt buy it for a second they are probably just upset someone who isnt white passes better than them.
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>>8231343
iv never met a trans girl who wanted smol boobs so idk what to tell you. Your boobs are going to grow at a rate that is independent of how you want them to grow. Its the same for every other person who grows boobs. Thats just reality. Theres really not much you can do to stop them from growing except stop taking estrogen
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>>8231319
all i can give you is hugs. im sorry to hear that you went through that. if you ever wanna talk about it in private we can but if now my condolences. lotsa <3 4 Nat
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>>8231335
I can help you get amazing deals if you teach me how to get c cups :3
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>>8231335

No seriously how
tell me your secrets
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>>8231350
#1
#2
i had a crush on 3 others though t b h
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>>8231353
It really doesn't bother me all that much, what kills me more and eats away at me constantly is all the guys I got dumped by because I'm not a real girl.
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Does massaging your boobs help them grow faster?

I find it helps keep them from coning out too much, I can just kind of rub them until they're a bit rounder
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>>8231354
DEAL.
Step 1. dont start at the max dosage for estrogen. Start at like 1/4 of the dose and slowly work your way up to a full dosage after say 6-9 months.
Step 2: become a national socialist. Guaranteed to make your boobs bigger
Step 3. Dont be anorexic and eat enough.
Step 4. Have good genes
Step 5. is super secret and requires you get me good deals on groupon in order to unlock
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>>8231350
as in actually gone out on dates
p e e p s
that's all

>>8231356
scandalous

>>8231358
It doesn't really do anything except it'll stop them from being so sore.
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>>8231358
i may or may not rub my and squeeze my boobs a lot every day. Like a lot. When they were first growing i could orgasm just from breast play because they were so sensitive and tender. Playing with them probably helps blood flow which could stimulate growth but i honestly dont know if it helps.

That was my last tip and step 5 btw.
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>>8231354
>>8231355
injections worked wonders for me NSFW boob pic btw

https://imgur.com/cQs3Ooy
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>>8231357
that triggers your abandonment issues.
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>>8231325
My singing voice isn't that good yet, but I'm working on it. Well, not right now since I'm visiting my parents and they dislike having singing in the house. I'm supposed to work on a couple new songs for my next voice therapy session but I don't know when I'll be able to do that.
https://clyp.it/dhwrlxn5
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>>8231370
>https://imgur.com/cQs3Ooy
cute. if i wasnt a nazi and you werent straight i would hit on you
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How to stop hitting myself?
I have a bad habit of doing it when I'm sad and I think it makes my gf sad
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>>8231370
I saw this and my immediate first thought was that I wanted to suck on those nipples

What is happening to me ._.

>>8231373
It's okay, I don't need to resolve my issues because I will never open up to anyone again and I am safe and happy dying alone ^^
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>>8231377
Try cutting instead
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>>8231358
You may end up lactating, which isn't pleasant at all.
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>>8231377
Hit a pillow instead?
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>>8231377
>How to stop hitting myself?
get emdr and therapy.

Im guessing that some thoughts you have trigger the need to do it. A trained professional is probably your best bet, im nothing more than an armchair psychologist when it comes to that stuff.
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>>8231376
you wild be making a mistake because they're like half that size now. :'c being off estrogen for so many months before they solidified killed my boob growth. I can only hope pills get them back to that size again
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>>8231387
What if I don't have a pillow
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>>8231381
>What is happening to me ._.
Girls liking girls is totally ok and natural. It is the purest form of love after all.
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>>8231391
Ur butte is a built-in pillow
Punch that
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>>8231391
Take up a martial art and save up all your frustration and sads from the period of time between classes and let it out then.
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>>8231390
i mean you're cute regardless of your boobs though. Your skin looks super soft.
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>>8231374
extension cord and bring the laptop and mic outside. ;)

>>8231377
this >>8231388
>>8231391
punch your bed.
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>>8231381
idk maybe some latent bisexuality or just you like seeing boobies, it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things

i sometimes see girls irl that make me a bit flustered for a sec and cis girls get passing moments like that too they just don't publicly admit it it's all in hush bush girl talk where they know they won't get judged
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>>8231388
Okay thanks I'll look into that
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>>8231390
y r u off e?
>>8231402
r u an actual nazi or are you just a white person with racial pride because the ladder is seen as an awful thing when in reality there's nothing wrong with that
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>>8231410
look for someone who specifically deals with trauma.
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>>8231403
I'm pretty sure the hardware would disagree with the freezing rain that never seems to stop and to be honest, so would I...
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WHy dont we all just kill ourselves?
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aww man the crazy nigga is still posting
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>>8231377
>How to stop hitting myself?
Cover your hands with oven mittens.

You'll look really cute hitting yourself then.
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>>8231412
Last time I told a therapist I hurt myself I got sent to a psych ward
How do I avoid that?
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>>8231411
>or are you just a white person with racial pride because the ladder is seen as an awful thing when in reality there's nothing wrong with that
yeah that. im not an actual nazi i have no problems with other races for the most part. I just dont want mine to be wiped out.

But if i start talkng about this again people will get angry and lots of angry messages so id rather not talk about it.
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>>8231414
I don't want to these days. I'm feeling relatively fine.
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>>8231419
Don't go to a shrink ree.
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>>8231402
y-you're just being nice i won't become the latest victim in the transbian menace you fiend! but ty lol i just eat like a fucking pig as much as i can and do no exercise so that all the muscle I used to have melts away

>>8231411
currently im not but for 3 months i wasnt because I was unemployed and didn't have the funds for it since I self med and don't have a prescription

i wish i could buy hrt off another tranny for cheap desu
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>>8231414
heaven (or more likely hell) isn't ready for this many cute girls.

>>8231418
10/10 advice
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>>8231419
>Last time I told a therapist I hurt myself I got sent to a psych ward
Dont tell your therapist how much you hurt yourself for a while
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>>8231414
Cause it'd hurt my gf
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>>8231360
>>8231376

>supporting a poltical movement that would exterminate you and all your friends

??
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>>8231425
>>8231425
>>8231425>>8231425
>>8231425
>>8231425
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>>8231420
>But if i start talkng about this again people will get angry and lots of angry messages so id rather not talk about it.

Then they are stupid, this is how actual nazis get made. People preaching tolerance but ignoring it when there's tolerance to be given but it isn't "convenient" enough for them

You shouldn't mute yourself to please some random anons and trip fags. That's why i turned mine off most likely never to be turned on again. Fuck that noise i do what i want
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>>8231426
>atest victim in the transbian
ppl its inevitable , a transbian horizon. Girl meets girl no use in disguising.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb55teb1gJ0
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>>8231414
waiting for my self hatred to be stronger than my fear of death
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>>8231383

How is it not pleasant?

Can you drink it? I hear human breast milk is, in all ways, better than cow milk
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>>8231445
Lactating involuntarily into your bras and shirts, possibly in public, couldn't be fun.
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>>8231433
i dont want to get into it pls. im not an actual nazi, that was a hyperbole. >>8231439
>You shouldn't mute yourself to please some random anons and trip fags
you should have seen the autistic sperg fest this general was earlier with how mad people were that i didnt hold the exact same political beleifs as them. Now i have no problem defending my views HOWEVER, i do not come here for political talk. Its ok a little bit but i dont want to spend my whole time here talking about it. Thats what /pol/ is for.
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>>8231435
Dont date psycho guys

>>8231438
<3
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>>8231445
Painful at times, will wake you up at night and it gets pretty messy and inconvenient.
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>>8231442
reeeee transbian get out i won't fall for your jewish schemes!!
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>>8231451
be with who makes you happy.
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>>8231457
its funny because your literal avatar (get It) likes boys and then suddenly decides to become a carpet muncher
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>>8231450
lmao i understand, ever since the election i've really been trying to stay out of politics but idk i haven't been here in awhile and don't know you very well so i had to ask lol
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>>8231464
>don't know you very well
thats because im not real im the new tranny ai microsoft bot.
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>>8231457
You really sound like a repressed lesbian...
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>>8231377
Pls don't do that ;-;
I'm sorry I'll say goodnight next time

I love you desu
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>>8231468
omg im laughin
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>>8231466
Im not real
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>>8231466
>thats because im not real im the new tranny ai microsoft bot.
Makes as much sense as anything else in my life.

but tell me about urself, what's ur story? How old are you and why are you still with your parents. Are they supportive? blah blah blah. i already know korra well enough
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>>8231461
DELET THIS (but it's also a reason she's my avatar heh get it. like me she was also a bisexual carpet muncher like I was at the time)
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>>8231468
it's satire bae me and cis tits are taking the piss atm. im a recovering homo girl on the path to str8ness pls be patient with me
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>>8231477
>me and cis tits are taking the piss atm

where are you from again? And also why do you still post here? You seem relatively nice (always have seemed that way) but post here and are in the top 5 when it comes to getting hate here.

At some point isn't it more of a burden to post here then something beneficial? As a super emotional person i literally couldn't even
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>>8231413
Still nasty weather there...freezing rain is the worst. It can go on for hours, and take out the power lines. That eventually takes out the internet which makes life really suck. Last significant ice storm left us without power for 8 hours less than a week. All the line breaks were 10 miles or more west of us where the greatest precipitation fell, and all our power goes through.
We did have a cool spell where it got down into the 40s, and nearly high thirties.

>>8231419
Your therapist was an idiot. Sending one to a psych ward right off is bad and usually makes things worse, and creates resistance in the patient. Don't tell them you are hurting yourself, only tell them that you thinking about it and can resist it for now.
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>>8231488
>eating with sticks is civilized
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>>8231488
Forks are superior in every way.
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>>8231473
>How old are you and why are you still with your parent
25, i live with my parents for many reasons
The main reason is that when i was 8 years old i had a brain tumor that was wrapped around my vegas nerve. Now they manged to remove it without damaging the vegas but the sympathetic chain had to be cut, causing a LOT of problems. One major problem that wasnt very obvious because it was psychological was that my body was no longer able to properly calm down at all when stressed so it would just keep building and building. When this would happen and i couldnt handle it anymore my mind would start compartmentalizing the stress and shit doing something called dissociation. It happened a lot so it lead to me having a dissociative disorder (not indentitiy disorder). So when i hit puberty and started getting dysphoric and hatng my new male stuff you bet your ass i repressed that too.

So i was a self loathing repressed tranny until maybe 18 or so after browsing 4chan for years and finding out about traps and trans girls i realized i probably was one. The problem was back then i was so ugly and self loathing i never thought i would pass so i was just repressed.

Went to college for the first time at 19, dropped out after 2 semesters because i couldnt handle the stress and kept cutting class to go drink and do drugs in an attempt to cut the stress down. So then i worked for a few years building control panels for the oil and gas field and my dads company. I had been going to therapy a lot for the last few years and she really helped me learn to deal with stress.

I finally came out to my sister and told her I thought i was trans. She told me "oh, well thats ok i think, but you know you will never be pretty right" . Something about what she said and how passive agrssive she said it pissed me off like nothing else before.
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>>8231449
nursing pads.

>>8231445
you have to milk them or they get painful. the more you milk them, the more they produce. They will leak no matter what.
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>>8231492
I think I already told you that one, but there's an old joke that we only have two seasons here, winter and the 15th of August. Another one is that crows fly on their backs to avoid seeing the misery below. I don't think I'll ever come back to live here permanently, I certainly don't want to.
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>>8231486
im a farm raised country gal from the deep redneck southern united states. why what's up?

eh posting on 4chan in general you need to have thick skin so the majority of the time i pay no mind to what rude posts say since it's quite literally just a mean post on the Internet that is entirely meaningless

i post here cuz there is a ton of mis information out there about transition and if I can help someone in some way with my experiences im all too happy to

plus there are some cool girls here that are fun to talk to in spite of the haters. I just ignore the negativity and do my own thing

>>8231488
>on a weeb site
>not knowing how to use chopsticks

wew lass
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>>8231488
>>8231515
I've been meaning to learn, o-okay?
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>tfw one of your eyes is always half closed
>tfw visibly retarded
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>>8231505
>She told me "oh, well thats ok i think, but you know you will never be pretty right" . Something about what she said and how passive agrssive she said it pissed me off like nothing else before.

and let me guess, this gave you all the motivation in the world didn't it? You can't wait for the day you rub it in her smug cunt face eh? (if you aren't already passing...i've never seen your face!)
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>>8231488
I'm too evolved to use chopsticks
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>>8231505
>Something about what she said and how passive agrssive she said it pissed me off like nothing else before.
So i decided right then and there (was about 20 at the time) that i was going to do anything and everything it took to become a cute girl. I was going to go to school in another province so i didnt have to deal with my parents, i was going to lose wieght go twink mode get on hormones become cute and most of all steal her boyfreind, have sex with him and then have her find out that i had cucked her. That was what finally convinced me to transition.

So i did, moved to another province, got on a waiting list for hormones, lost weight and went twink mode. Things were looking up. Then i mad the mistake of going to a trans support group. Holy shit that was a terrible idea. They were all hons except for the 2 ftm's, they were all super jealous and catty that i was cuter than them pre hrt and after making the mistake of mentioning i didnt want srs, one of the hons decided to tell her bff , the only doctor in that town prescribing hormones, that i was a fetishist crossdresser and shouldnt be given hormones. So she never did. To this day the clinic never called me back, no matter how many times i left them messages.

So slowly i got more and more depressed as i kept waiting to get on hormones. I wanted to self med but i couldnt. I had finally come out to my parents and although they freaked the fuck out they somewhat supported me as long as i only took hormones from a doctor and did not self med. They staight up told me if i ordered online they would not pay for my school or apartment anymore, so i didnt. I kept waiting for another year, still no hormones, so i eventually just gave up. I sold all my stuff (guitar, dj equipment, etc etc) and i got some greyhound tickets to go to another city and get hrt there.
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>>8231523
Can't that be fixed?
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>>8231527
>unpassing hons that look like men sabotage a younger trans woman with a future

should be illegal to do this. I've also heard that Susan's hons lobbied the government to shut down online pharmacies so that self med becomes impossible and it succeeded to an extent that's why we can't use debit or credit card directly anymore

gas all salty hons
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>>8231527
what city anon? How far did you have to move? lool afraid to type again cuz idk if you are adding more to your story or not, because obviously it doesn't end there since you've got the amazing tits everyone loves so much
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>>8231534
Maybe, my doctor said it's getting better, but it'll take years
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>>8231505
Yeah, that would suck. I sometimes get runaway stress, and it's likely due to damage from the electroshock I was given during conversion therapy. I did figure out how to control it via meditation, but I was already a disassociative mess with much of my memories blocked.

>>8231512
Yeah you did. I just forgot. lately I seam to forget more and more.
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>>8231543
At least people are kind to cute girls.
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>you'll be fine when your hair is longer they said
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>>8231326
cindy a qt :3
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>>8231536
>I've also heard that Susan's hons lobbied the government to shut down online pharmacies so that self med becomes impossible and it succeeded to an extent that's why we can't use debit or credit card directly anymore

Is this true? THEY WOULD DO THIS...THEY WOULD DO SOME SHIT LIKE THIS. I'M PISSED. GAS ALL SUSAN TYPE HONS PLEAAAAASE.

this is also another reason i laugh whenever the doctor, therapist or somebody else mentions those trans groups.
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>>8231527
so at 23 i was finally able to start hormones. My life was really looking up. I was still going to school and now that i finally had hormones i wasnt missing nearly as much class from dysphoria and anxiety.

Then i made the mistake of going on kagehsi (if you dont know what that is , its a video chat room place where lots of trans girls used to go as well as chasers). Holy shit that was a mistake. I guess bcause i was cute and had a really nice ass i was getting a lot of attention. Like a loooooot of attention. IT quickly went to my head and it was addictive to have so many people fawning over me after being invisible and ugly for so long. So i started missing more school again. After that i had met a trans girl online who was mostly freindly but was in real trouble because her parents were kicking her out and she had no place to stay. Well i didnt have a room mate and she was cute and into me so i decided to let her come live with me.

Worst. Mistake. Of. My. Life.

Quickly after moving to my place it became apparant she was the most depressed, most suicidal and most compusive liar i had ever met. Every day she would go into eplicit details about how she was going to kill herself. I was fuckiing worried of ever leaving her alone so i missed even MORE school.

At first we had gotten along, we had had sex more than a few times. She really wanted me to fuck her (she had always been the one fucking me) but i thought i was too big for her so i always refused. Well after months of her literally begging me for it one day i gave in. Huge mistak as se quickly lept up and then proceeded to scream rape and then went on the internet and told everoyne she could i had sexually assaulted her. I lost so many fucking freinds who decided to believe this mentally unstable liar over me it was insane. Not to mention the fact i was failing school because i didnt want to leave her alone.
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>>8231549
I wouldn't know
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>>8231536
>I've also heard that Susan's hons lobbied the government to shut down online pharmacies so that self med becomes impossible and it succeeded to an extent that's why we can't use debit or credit card directly anymore
that makes no sense, why would anyone want to make it even more difficult for the next generation of MTFs - especially older MTFs?
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>>8231552
mislink sorry
>>8231523
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>>8231553
>>8231559
Susans didn't do it. It was credit card companies.
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>>8231536
Actually, that was directly VISA's response to being pressured by governments about grey area activities. They didn't want to give up on their share in the gambling traffic, so they gave up the online pharmacy stuff instead. Susan's hons are scum, but you overestimate their lobbying power. I certainly hope that shithole of a website dies permanently.
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>>8231554
I finally manged to kick her out but the damage was done.The school was done with me, too much school had been missed. My parents were beyond furious with me for failing school again after they had spent so much mone sending me there and because of the fact i let an emotionally unstable tranny take advantage of me .

So i moved back home, lost the will to move forward and pretty much spent the next 9 months at home too anxious to get a job having my parens extremely pissed at me and the love of my life living in a country too far to visit.

I mean i guess i can tell you about the shitty things that happened when i did go visit her (nothing to do with her shes amazing) but i think i have told enough for now.
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>>8231554
Hugg
It sucks you got burned like that for doing nothing wrong :/
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>>8231547
Forgetting is normal and healthy. I forget more than I used to, still not as much as I should. That memory has helped me at times but it's mostly been a curse, to be honest.
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>>8231559
Susan's hivemind is rabidly opposed to self-medding. Those tards love licking gatekeeper ass.
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>>8231553
take that with a grain of salt. it's something I've seen only on mtfg about the Susan's being involved BUT they ate vehemently against self med there and it's banned to even discuss it and it's highly discouraged to do so as well.

but the part about the government being lobbied is true but mostly by big pharmaceutical since they want to maintain their iron grip on controlling the pill market and absolutely don't want potential sheep finding loopholes around their bullshit system designed to bleed us dry of all our shekels and waste our precious time since trans medical care is new and ""dangerous"" (meaning they have not perfected how to bleed us dry for as long as possible for maximum profit and minimum benefit to us)
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>>8231568
Meh it is what it is. Iv had a lot of other fuckd up things happen in my life but thats just the story specifically about why im 25 living with my parents lacking the drive to improve myself anymore. i just got burned out i guess
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>>8231577
Having a legitimate prescription for spironolactone and estradiol is leaps and bounds cheaper than getting it from in house.
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>>8231539
>you've got the amazing tits everyone loves so much
oh well ty. I moved from calgary alberta to Kelowna BC. I had to bus to vancouver for the hormones. Am currently back in calgary.

I moved to kelowna specifically because the audio school i was going to was one of the best in the country. Even though im a drop out i did learn a lot and if i ever find the motivation to get back into it i know it will make me happy because i was pretty good at it.
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>>8231577
>take that with a grain of salt. it's something I've seen only on mtfg about the Susan's being involved BUT they ate vehemently against self med there and it's banned to even discuss it and it's highly discouraged to do so as well.

but the part about the government being lobbied is true but mostly by big pharmaceutical since they want to maintain their iron grip on controlling the pill market and absolutely don't want potential sheep finding loopholes around their bullshit system designed to bleed us dry of all our shekels and waste our precious time since trans medical care is new and ""dangerous"" (meaning they have not perfected how to bleed us dry for as long as possible for maximum profit and minimum benefit to us)


Yupppp exactly what i've been saying for years and what i don't trust doctors or the government for the most part. I had been going up to the hospital almost FIVE MONTHS at a place with the informed consent model for fucks sake and i still didn't have hrt after all that fucking time.

At the end of the day what are they doing? they give us hormones and check our levels nothing we really can't do ourselves lmfao. notice when they tell us possible complications it's never to say they can't happen but how it "could happen" ect. it's all bullshit

I knew there was a reason i always liked you korra
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>>8231581
you don't need college to be happy anon, know this at least. you seem alot like myself, you need to find that spark...that motivation again like when your sister tried to btfo you.
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>>8231591
is that why inhouse got shut down? for real? Fuck i hate jealous old hons more than anything. Here is the pic of the one who fucked me over
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>>8231571
Most Susan's types are cis male fetishists with no idea about what dysphoria is, yeah. Thankfully, the local LGBT group I go to gently discourages that kind away.

>>8231584
And self-medding is good leverage to get such a prescription. It's part of how I managed to get mine without going through gatekeeping.
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Pharmaceutical companies don't give a shit about milking trannies for money we are literally nothing to them

The big bucks for them are in chemotherapy, HIV/AIDS, biologics, fibromyalgia, etc.

They're the ones forced to pay $180,000 a month for life saving medication
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>>8231581
keeping fighting the good fight bb. after getting fed up of being at their place eventually you're gonna wanna break free. now that I have my independence i would never ever wanna go back.

>>8231584
not every place is easy or fast to get a prescription. in my case the only doctors that treat trans patients are all the way on the other side of the state

AND to even get the prescription you need to visit them x amount of times and some still won't give it unless you also go to a gender therapist and a psychologist

all of this is paid completely out of pocket btw and informed consent isn't a thing here all of that costs and insane amount of money because I have no health insurance
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>>8231523
You look fine desu
You're really pretty
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>>8231584
how so? Make sure your levels are in the right places and it's literally easier and cheaper.

The hospital (informed consent model but not a clinic) charges me hundreds of dollars whenever i walk in there even WITH insurance. Meanwhile i can get private labs done for a third of that price
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>>8231590
>Calgary
if you see me on the street don't sperg out and call me a faggot communist trender hon please

I'm guessing you were talking to me as anon before
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>>8231594
my boobs are bigger and my ass is nicer than hers so even tho im a faulure i still came out on top in that department. The problem is that hormones completely changed my sexuality and im not really into guys anymore.

Idk if i could still bring myself to have sex with her bf just out of spite anymore. I mean i know iv seen him looking at my butt and tits but... id be cheating on my gf just to get back at my sister.
>you need to find that spark
that was my gf desu. kinda lost it again after i moved down there and everything went so wrong so fast.
but thats another story.
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>>8231604
pol not even once
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>>8231597
It's a gamble in the states. My therapist and doctor were completely cool with it. Some holier than thous will shut you out though.

>>8231602
Just come to Dallas and I'll refer you to my doctor who will write you the script on the first visit, spiro/estradiol is cheaper cash without insurance than getting it online
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>>8231606
That doesn't sound right.... A blood test for testosterone and estradiol levels should be $170 tops or so. Hospitals would charge more though. Are there no clinics you can go to?
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>>8231604
gate keeping adults is different than gatekeeping literal children lmfao

fuck out of here
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>>8231602
>. now that I have my independence i would never ever wanna go back.
i dont usually mention this because its embarssing but because of my insane anxiety i dont know how to drive and might never be able to. Every time i get on the road i get so fucking scared im going to hit someone or kill someone that i just have a panic attack. im 25 and cant drive. How the hell can i be indepenent. Holy shit im a loser.

>>8231607
>call me a faggot communist trender hon please
i would never. The most i would do is roll my eyes and then go talk about you to my gf but even then i probably wouldnt. Even after all the hons fucking me over im not that kind of person
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>>8231570
I'm forgetting way to much and my thinking speed is greatly slowed. It's the ME/CFS. I get winded going out to the mailbox and back. That's less than 200 yards of level ground walking. What is bad is it is more the time spent vertical rather than the walking it's self that is the problem.

>>8231581
iktf

>>8231599
Most anti androgens, and all GnRH blockers are anti cancer drugs.
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>>8231599
Definitely. The drugs commonly used in hrt are all long out of the patent period and their use in hrt is a minor part of what they're prescribed for. Big pharma doesn't give a shit about that. They were a lot more annoyed at online pharmacies selling Indian generics of patented mental health and comfort drugs since said generics are illegal almost everywhere else.
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>>8231609
based on your story you have the will inside you somewhere. You'll bounce back desu.

How long have you been out of commission?
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>>8231591
FUCKING EXACTLY DUDE. doctors and shit do fuck all that we can't do for ourselves and so many of them don't have a fucking clue how to even treat a trans woman. I've heard horror stories of trans women getting prescribed estrogen without an AA or vice versa and the doctor being fucking adamant to keep it that way not fucking knowing that you need both for it to do its desired effect

to me that blows my mind that so many naive trans women suck gatekeeper dick because clearly gatekeepers have no idea what the dick is going on

in their defense tho SRS SHOULD be gatekeeper'd because it's a permanent procedure that could get their assessment sued into the ground and all it takes is one hon with a fetish to want to detransition and fuck it up for real trannies so for that at least I'm thankful you have to go through the process
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>>8231622
>iktf
hugs
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>>8231612
I found a LGBT friendly GP through a FtM friend. She had no experience with MtFs at all and basically had me dictate her the first script. Then I had a local GP renew what was at that point a preexisting routine script.
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>>8231618
170 for blood test? See that's more than i even would think it would be and no i live in indiana, the hospital that opened up with the informed consent model is all we have.

Meanwhile private labs are hastle free and would cost be 66$ every 1-3months whenever i needed a check up lol

Also spiro is really bad for somebody like me (weird blood cells, i have to drink alot of water) spiro could kill me or put me in extreme pain due to my condition but in the USA doctors only want to give out the spiro

My doctor refuses to look into bica or cypro...so that's a big reason why i'm self medding
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>>8231625
>How long have you been out of commission?
Im scared to try to remember desu. I think its almost been a year and a half now.

technically i was kind of in commision and got everything ready to move to the US and start my life with my gf but that fell through faster than the fat bitch who sat down too fast. Iv been back from the US since october. I want to get a job but because i rely on my parents i didnt have a choice in it, im stuck looking after my dead grandmas house in a small town nearby called high river until we can sell it,which might take a few months. I would get a job here but the problem is that all my references know me as he and by my male name. This is a small city and if i have to out myself as trans at every job interview il probably fall apart.

Idk what to do about my references. They were before transition.
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>>8231612
i would and that sounds like a dramatic come true but

>no money
>no health insurance
>no car

this all blocks me and idk how much he charges for one visit or how long a prescription lasts for :(
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>>8231633
That's the prices I get. I could get higher or cheaper but I was pretty satisfied with that cash price. Have you considered getting an orchi?

>>8231631
My doctor was almost the same but he's pretty LGBT friendly.
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>>8231629
Not every child under 18 has shit genes, but i'm nicer than most rational people. To me by 15 or 16 a child is rational enough to make this decision on their own, but anything younger than this?? There are plenty of stories of hons forcing shit on their children. What might work for you doesn't really work for others anon
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Doctors are scum, psyches especially
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>>8231640
is it on their own if they have a therapist also making that decision?
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>>8231640
careful i was saying something similar earlier and a lot of people did not like it. You are about to open that can of worms again
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>>8231636
>no money
:(

>no health insurance
Don't need it

>no car
:( How do you get to work?

It's not exactly cheap.. health care in the US never is, but it's affordable enough even for low income.
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>>8231620
i wish i had some kind of answer but the truth is i dont :(
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>>8231603
Just cause it's too dark to see my acne
But thank you a lot, I'm sorry for being negative, it always means a lot to me to hear that from you
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>tfw u realize that u told half your lifes story to a bunch of strangers on 4chan and it was probably not the smartest idea
I hate being blonde
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>>8231627
Being locked up following my occupational burnout and suicide attempt had an unintended side-effect. Since I was stealth at the clinic and the shrinks weren't comfortable with long-term cypro treatment, they had no issue writing the referral letters I needed to get SRS from Chett. So I completely bypassed gatekeeping. They wouldn't have done the same for FFS beyond a trachea shave since they considered I didn't really need it, which I guess is half-true.
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>>8231643
>>8231645
>professionals can determine if you're trans or not
No lol
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>>8231599
the pol tards and korra (pol tard lite i guess) don't care. it was hons and susans oh no it was the pharmacy jews the real answer is visa and MasterCard joined a thing called 'center for safe internet pharmacies'. this is a usa government funded company founded by a bush era staffer. so if you want someone to blame blame conservative politicians and the funders, government and probably pharma companies since most of the funding is secret i guess
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>>8231635
>that fell through faster than the fat bitch who sat down too fast.

ayyyyy, pic related

> I would get a job here but the problem is that all my references know me as he and by my male name.

what kinds of jobs are you trying to get where you need references? Get a call center or resturaunt job or something. These jobs don't require a goy degree and on the nice side of entree level jobs. (alot fucking better than slaving away at mcdicks all day) Restaurant work is funnn and you don't feel like a worthless loser afterwards!
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>>8231646
i have my boyfriend or friend drop me off and pick me up. maybe I'll ask one to bring me to Dallas if they are nice enough and I explain why I'm going

cheap is relative i need hard $$ amounts so I know how much to save up for
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>>8231652
It's not that important. 4channers know stuff about my past my family doesn't, so what?
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>>8231640
>started hrt at 14/15
>even if i could have done it legitimately i was still doomed by 13/14
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>>8231633
>My doctor refuses to look into bica or cypro...so that's a big reason why i'm self medding
Medroxyprogesteron-acetate (Depo Provera birth control shot) at 150mg per shot (same dose as birth control shot) will knock out T production in most people for 30 days. I think the generics are under $50 per shot from Costco. They come in prefilled syringe kits so women can give them to themselves.

Medroxyprogesterone-acetate isn't perfect, but it is a possibility for those where spiro causes problems.
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>>8231649
>you're a hypocritical piece of shit
I can undersand why you think that but i was trying to take hormones at 22, way older and more mature than the people you are advocating for. You cant really compare them. I had been to years and years and years of therapy just to make sure i was trans and ready for hormones. I guarantee i was not ready to take them mentally or emotionally until i was 20. The only gatekeeping that should be done is making sure that people are mature enough to understand what they are doing to themselves by taking hormones and the fact its pretty much a life changing life altering decision.

I want to make sure they are ready so that they arent fucked up, those hons just decided to fuck me over out of sheer spite and pettiness.
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>>8231659
I don't remember the exact numbers but it depends on your levels now.. I know the first visit was really expensive for me since I wasn't on HRT then and had to do some liver/protein/kidney tests. So probably a blood test to see where you are then after that it should be smooth sailing.
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>>8231664
Bullshit generalizations aren't reliable diagnostic tools
Not that some privileged pos doctors should be deciding the course of trans people's lives anyway
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>>8231635
>Idk what to do about my references. They were before transition.
Send a letter to them and tell them to change your name in their records. If they won't, don't use them as a reference.
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>>8231670
>forgot to give actual numbers because I'm an idiot
First visit is $100? Like each followup visit is like $70 or something? Test+est blood test is like $130?
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>>8231644
i was like you around a year ago, i got tired of their shit and left. I'm back now and without a trip, i'll do all the anon bootyblasting for you don't worry.

>>8231649
The difference is that hon was making an effect on another fucking ADULT human being based on a fucking lie lmfao. We're talking about little fucking kids here you fat fuck

>this is why you have psychiatric evaluations

idk there should be some kind of system desu...but it would all come down to the parents anyways unless you let the kid self med. (((doctors))) will never let a kid take hormones without parental permission no matter how you feel.
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>>8231657
>Get a call center
but my voice. idk if it passes well enough T_T

living in that other city for a few months now all alone and not talking to anyone for days at a time really decayed my voice from how good it used to be

i will look into call centers though, thank you.

>>8231661
idk iv never felt this vulnerable on 4chan before, even though iv literally posted my ass and tits before.

>>8231664
>your mistake was asking for sympathy
i never asked for sympathy. Some anon asked me for my story and why i was where i was. So i told him my story.

I would never come on 4chan looking for sympathy when edgy jaded and jealous posters like you infest these boards.
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>>8231671
you base all your opinions on bullshit generalisations tho
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boring
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>>8231666
>Medroxyprogesterone-acetate isn't perfect, but it is a possibility for those where spiro causes problems

it's okay, i'm just gunna self med with cypro. i'll be fine
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>>8231670
>>8231676
ill try and see if I can save up that much
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>>8231662
You've been on HRT for 10 years?
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>>8231680
>living in that other city for a few months now all alone and not talking to anyone for days at a time really decayed my voice from how good it used to be
>i will look into call centers though, thank you.

Hey don't forget working at a restaurant
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>>8231682
Universally applicable moral principles =/= "all transgenders must match these characteristics or they don't get hormones :^)"
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>>8231672
>If they won't, don't use them as a reference.
i only had 2 jobs and i left one of them without giving them notice. So i only have 1 refence pretty much. I worked there for like 2.5 years though and they really liked me. Il see if they would be understanding but its my dads work and they dont know his only son is a girl now. I dont want to embarrass him :(

>>8231677
>i'll do all the anon bootyblasting for you don't worry.
i see. well thank you

>>8231679
>the vast majority of transgirls
The vast majority of trans girls cant pass if they dont get on hormones by 16? I find that extremely hard to believe and would love to know your sources. I was ugly as fuck pre hrt and somehow i still pass starting them at 22.

Im not going to reply to the rest of your post because you are just strawmanning me and unable to argue in any logical, rationional or reasonable way. Sorry
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>>8231692
Shes one of the lucky ones.
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>>8231691
I got to start when I was 14, a few weeks away from 15, had to stop. Have a cumulative total of about 40 months being on and off. Not that it really even matters anyway since even if I was on since then I'd still be admin of susans :^)
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>>8231667
idk how many years ago u were trying to get hrt but i know at least 1 psych who doesn't gatekeep at all and one Dr who will prescribe without you seeing a psych at all. so idk this is with me only know 1 other trans person in this town and just reading reddit. also that maturity shit whatever dude just because you had bad experiences doesn't mean everyone should have to
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>>8231693
>what the fuck do i have to be jealous of?
Probably the fact i pass better look cuter and have more friends than you? that i have an adorable cute and loving fiance whos willing to do anything for me?

Idk anon, but you are fooling yourself at this point if you dont see how your posts are dripping with anger and jealousy.

>>8231694
>Hey don't forget working at a restaurant
i mean idk if i could be comfortable being a waitress though. Ugh just the thought of it is making me nervous.
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>>8231699
Why did you stop though? Starting so young is a pretty great opportunity.
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>>8231693
>how autistic do you have to be to think thirteen year olds are children
Wow i guess i'm pretty fucking autistic then because last time i checked THIRTEEN YEAR OLDS WEREN'T ADULT LMFAO

>you're already capable of decent reasoning by the time you're twelve

LOL yeah decent reasoning, that's good enough for you isn't it?

>and it doesn't take a lifetime of experience to be able to tell if you've wanted to be a woman for a several years

kids do alot of genderless/gender stuff like that though, you sound like somebody who isn't around kids often

>what the fuck do i have to be jealous of? you started transition years ahead of me. you're still living with your parents at 25. you spent half of the last hour bitching about how shitty your life is
so don't try to play the 'you're only calling me out on my transphobic /pol/ memes because you're jealous of me' card"

for somebody on such a high horse i find it pretty funny you'd never post pics or post on a trip >:^)
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i think kids should be allowed to start blockers at the age appropriate time if they pass all their medical gender and psychiatric tests that shows they have dysphoria.

like just being on blockers is okay since it stops male puberty from happening and say for argument's sake we make them wait till they're 16 to be able to take estrogen

no big deal they just get puberty a little later than some. np harm to anyone done and she doesn't get permanent damage to her body due to testosterone.

idk what the big deal is with this. worst case scenario 1 kid decides later on she wants to be he again for whatever reasons, he just stops taking his pills and bam he ages like a man.

why so many are up on arms about this baffles me, children being allowed to "transition" harms no one except holier than thou types that just hate trannies and call us mentally ill and don't want ANYONE to transition
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>>8231716
Parents kicked me out. i was homeless until I was 17.
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>>8231695
yeah there are plenty of stories of hons forcing shit on their children is a universally applicable moral principle
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>>8231719
this, 1000%

Yet it seems like anons itt want every child who plays with a doll to start hormones no questions asked, then sperg out screaming "OMFG /POLLL/" when somebody has a different opinion
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>>8231716
It is. But sometimes shit happens. Took my first hormones at 15 but I wasn't able to transition in earnest until I was 35. First gatekeeping, then shit happened when I was 20 that left me barely able to function...
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>>8231704
sorry but im just going to ignore your autistic sperging from now on.

>>8231705
>idk how many years ago
kelowna is kind of a small town. There was only 1 person prescribing hormones when i got there and after a few years there was one other guy but the waiting list was longer than me just going to another city.

>ou had bad experiences doesn't mean everyone should have to
Um i dont want other people to have bad experiences. I dont think iv ever said anything like that. I would love nothing more than for them to find a cure for gender dysphoria and start giving it to kids who develop it (if they choose so, huge focus here)so they dont have to live with a life of pain misery and suffering like i did. Gender dypshoria fucking sucks and it really should be cured or soemthing so that kids dont have to suffer it anymore. Even being on hormones isnt enough to guarantee they wont still be dysphoric.
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yo mamma lmao
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>>8231722
0/20 hon
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>go in forest to smoke weed
>singing loudly to myself to cheer myself up about the total destruction of Earth and self
>thinking how much I hate the sound of air planes (in path of air port), highway, local park fun run blasting shit music, and some other loud kids in a school yard neighboring on other side
>thinking how much I wish deer were there. I love deer.
>immediately as if I'd summoned them, 2 juvenile deer appear
>instinctively wave
>feel silly and shout out "konichiwa watshiwa Sarah!"
>smile and think about how awesome the rain feels and how hopeful I am for the future
>continue walking and tell random guy passing me that I've been in this forest every day since 2006 and never seen deer but now see deer!
>go home. Immediately deal with toxic as fuck parents - want to kill myself
>skip food, grab smashbros controller drive to tournament slam door
>Tfw only Transgirl, only person wearing pink, only female at all in entire place (I mean duh)

>>8231724
We interrupt Sarah's story to bring you JEALOUSY. Brought to you by Kayla.

>some kids treat and gender me male, despite really decent new female voice technique discovered while in woods today
>or get hella patronized like I'm a fucking retard or something.... Oh wait, they're just gendering me female and assuming I suck and don't play video games and I'm stupid
>drive to other city after tournament
>hang out drink beer smoke weed with my best female cis friend omg just best night ever with her and her sister
>realize how far I've blown out of being male


Good day.
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a question to everyone here:
did you know you wanted to be a girl at 13 years old
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Puberty doesnt wait for you to be an adult, why shouldn't kids get the choice if its gonna happen to them one way or the other anyway?
Inb4 naturalistic bs
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Can we stop arguing about the age of starting hormones thing again. Sigh. Its really not up to any of us anyways so debating it is only going to get lots of people angry and upset. Its a completely pointless argument to have.
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>>8231732
you are doing you stupid bullshit where you misrepresent what people were saying to you and make it seem absurd. no one said anything like that you dumbass. link to the post where someone says children who play with dolls should be on hrt. no one said that and no one is arguing that kids should be forced on hrt.
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>>8231744
0/40. atleast use different words and phrases. You've said the same thing about 3x now. Apply yourself.
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>>8231745
I knew like by the time I was 6 lol
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>>8231656
Follow the money. Sadly it is to easy now to whitewash it via a non-profit.

>>8231661
same here
Mom and dad still don't know I had a heroin habit.

>>8231696
Yeah, that's a messed up situation.

>>8231745
6-7 is the earliest I voiced it to my parents.
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>>8231730
nah 14 is too late because they've already started some puberty by that time. not to mention the probable months/years of therapy to inform the children and parents of the gravity of the situation at hand

like blockers should be given when it's the right time to stop testosterone and estrogen when they're old enough to make that final life changing decision and I think 16 is fine because it's not too far off from normal puberty and it's also the same age you can legally operate a car after being licensed so of you can be responsible single enough to handle that then you can be responsible enough to make an informed decision with the supervision of parents and a health care professional

it's a far cry from self medding your kid just because she or he is masculine or feminine and I would argue that that is child abuse and jumping the gun

>>8231732
eh idk if it's that far I just think there are some misunderstandings on our stance of child transitioners

im all for kids transitioning I just want it to be safe informed and supervised to be sure it's the correct decision
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>>8231753
Jesus christ you have to be the most unintelligent, immature and underage poster i have seen on 4chan in a very long time. Cock juggling? really? What are you like 13?

>>8231752
>Yeah, that's a messed up situation.
Yep but i guess i just gotta look for someone there i know that would be sympathetic and not tell everyone.
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Should I give up. Reading all this about 14 being too late makes me want to die.
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>>8231739
>BUT IF THEY ACTUALLY CONSIDER THEMSELVES THE OPPOSITE SEX, for a -LONG PERIOD OF TIME-, that's a pretty good indicator that maaaybe letting this sex-challenged boy or girl develop into a mismatched sex is a bad idea.

NOBODY is arguing against this though, i'm making arguments against morons who think kids should start hormones with NO gatekeeping whatsoever.

see>>8231719
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>>8231756
You're reaching levels of projection that shouldnt even be possible.
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>>8231758
why does it make you want to die?
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>>8231762
Because I got to start HRT at 14 but due to life circumstances I couldn't get back on until 24.
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>>8231745
I didn't want to be a girl, I really considered myself one, just with a fucked up body. And I was treated as one by friends, so I guess that helped. I only discovered what trans was a year later or so, through reading a rather inspirational autobiography, and I immediately knew hormones were what I needed to start fixing my body.
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>>8231763
takes one to know one hon
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>>8231759
but my post you linked is actually in favor of gatekeeping? how do you think the trans kid gets the blockers? from her doctor after months/years of therapy of course. idgi
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my 14 year old brother is way more masculine than me; taller, broader, just.. everything lol
you have to start blockers at like 12 maybe 13 to be really safe against masculine genetics
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>>8231764
Thats pretty lame anon. Life throws us all shitty hands sometimes doesnt it? I swear sometimes god must exist and he must hate me for all the things that are medically wrong with me
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>>8231734
okay apologies i thought you were talking about getting hrt in Calgary.

the 'cure for dysphoria' thing is bullshit and it seems like you're just changing the subject. the cure for dysphoria is to take hrt and transition. there is never going to be some drug that just cures dysphoria and if it did exist it would basically just be a lobotomy. scientists barely understand how the brain works how do you expect them to find the exact thing to causes dysphoria then something that will neutralize it. transition is the only way
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Lets talk about cute stuff like bfs, ice cream, and cuddles
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>>8231768
>how do you think the trans kid gets the blockers?
That would be ideal but theres really nothing stopping parents from ordering the hormones online like we do.

Idk what the solution to the problem is. Either way someone is being fucked over. Gender dysphoria and being trans just really fucking sucks sometimes.
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>>8231745
Kinda? I always had thoughts of it
But all my two friends were always really anti trans and made me feel really bad for having those feelings, and as far as I knew and was informed trans people were guys in dresses and I didn't know hormones existed. so I kinda repressed it for a while til I found out about hormones at 15 and bought some asap
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>>8231770
My punishment for being such a bad person I guess. Maybe I should cancel my orchi and repress again.
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>>8231745
yeah but i had no clue it would actually be done outside of a magic wand. i didnt have Internet and didn't know what trannies were outside of porn (I just assumed they got plastic surgery and fake boobs)

i didnt even realize I was trans until very recently like 2 years ago maybe. but then again I was pretty messed up and damaged so I'm not a good example
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>>8231747
With transgender people I always have a lot of fun arguing the meme opinion that we should gate keep until 21 "like alcohol" and do "genetic screening to see if they'll even pass" - - - With normals I try hard educate. Or usually I just avoid the topic unless a question is pointed at me. On mtfg I unironically admit to hating the zog machine, and pitch /pol/ memes to keep spergs on their toes. I punctuate this with fragrant lying, and copy pasta stories I adapt to seem real. Usually stuff I find narcissistic or super edge lord alt - right.


I was the tranny who sewed cat ears to my make America great again hat and wore it in my "gender in the modern era" class this semester.

If I was any more serious about being an icon of sarcasm I'd probably wear a swastika patch and trench coat with meme aviator glasses.


>>8231775
My life. I only knew traps were boys and sissies
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>>8231752
5 is the earliest certain trace of it for me. I threw such a tantrum to get those as my first glasses my parents caved in...
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>>8231773
like eating ice cream with your bf while cuddling
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>>8231772
>not receiving any support from my parents whatsoever
>not living at home
>started hormones years before you
>not planning on using my partner as a bank account
>not a self-righteous /pol/cuck

all of these advantages and you STILL don't pass
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>>8231783
We did tonight
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>>8231747
don't respond then. idk you kind of brought it here i think i don't think you can say some of the things you say and expect people to not get upset

>>8231774
haha are you really worried about parents being too accepting dude you need to get your priorities straight
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>>8231771
>he 'cure for dysphoria' thing is bullshi
Not really. Think about all the trans girls who have killed themselves. Millions of us dead because of gender dysphoria. They would all be alive today if there was a cure for it.

Obvously it wont be easy at all to actually have a cure since gender dysphoria comes from the brain and is most likely a birth defect from too many prenatal hormones in the womb, but maybe they will be able to determine exactly what causes it so that it can be prevented in the future.

Its extremely selfish to say it shouldnt be cured when so many of us have died and suffered for so long because of it.

>>8231772
>i'm projecting the mistakes i've never made
But you arent doing any of those things anon, idk who you think are fooling.

>>8231773
Good idea kayla, whats your favorite ice cream? Mines cookies and cream.
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>>8231774
i mean that's for the parents and the kid to worry about not mine and I'm not in a position to dictate how they should or shouldn't live their lives

i know if i wanted to transition at 12 and some person I don't know told me no you can't you're too young to know what you want I would be rightfully pissed off and hate that person for my entire life

so while I do think children should in fact be gatekeept for safety and informative reasons i dont think they should also be stopped if that's what they - want - to do

now in the case of an insane parent forcing it on their kids yeah I have a huge fucking problem and those abusive pieces of trash should be locked up and their kids taken away, but until that is proven in a court of law by a jury it's not my business to go around policing someone 's life especially if they're seemingly happy ya know?

its a case of live and let live
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>>8231788
i didn't say a cure shouldn't exist, i was saying a cure never will exist. sorry i think I'm rambling and it's 2am i have to be up at 5 for work :')
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>>8231758
There's no such thing as too late. That's a mistake I regret making. Could have resumed transitioning a decade earlier when I turned 25 since that's when I was told to come back when I was gatekept hard at 18, but I thought my body was damaged beyond recovery. I was wrong. This transition I started as a last ditch experiment because I wanted to die anyway. It turned out better than I ever expected.
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>>8231776
No >:(

>>8231788
Cookies n cream is the shit uwu
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>>8231791
>i'm half a year in, anon
the difference is, this bitch is still going to be here posting about how we should turn all trannies into hons (assuming she hasn't killed herself by then)
and i'm going to be presenting female and actually making something of myself. instead of being an embarrassing streak on the loincloth of humanity

So you don't pass, post on /mtfg/ at 4am and don't have a clue about what you're going to do yet you feel like you have some highground to flame other people with your constant projecting and bullshit.

lololokay
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>>8231776
>My punishment for being such a bad person I guess
No, you are not a bad person as far as i can tell. God doesnt actually exist, life is completely random for us. Some people just have really shitty lives and theres nothing we can do but make the most and the best of what we have. You should totally still get your orchi.

Im actually jealous, if i had one id stop having to pee all day and maybe wouldnt leak into my pantie slowly from spiro

>>8231777
No luckily of all the things wrong autism is not one of them

>>8231781
pls be my pol waifu. but not really

>>8231787
>people to not get upse
Idk why you keep posting when no one likes you
>no you
I guarenatee atleast a few people here like me. Cant really say the same for you.

I might not share the same opinions as everyone but never have i once even been close to as rude and edgy as you have been. Not to mention a complete coward turning off your trip so people wouldnt know who you are. What a little faggot.
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>>8231745
nope don't think so. but if someone does at that age they should be able to get treatment.
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>>8231799
>tips fedora
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>>8231764
having a long break sucks. I had a 28 year break in my hrt.
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Unironically, if we could screen for this in the womb accurately (we can't) I would advocate termination of pregnancy just like down syndrome or other hilarious birth memes.
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my gaydar is going absolutely insane so i guess sertii is already in england.
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>>8231799
I'm not the person telling you to kill yourself or whatever I'm the Anon from Calgary. i thought i was being pretty civil desu sorry. also I've never used a trip here so idk
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>>8231792
>>8231754
Good posts Korra.
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>>8231792
I agree for the most part but idk 12 still just seems too early to really be emotionally mature enugh to decide something so important, especially when most gender dysphoria in children goes away on its own. Thats why i think its better to wait just a few more years until we can know for sure and it still wont be too late for most of them.


But i really dont want to keep talking about this because i dont want you to hate me.

>>8231795
>, can you just kill yourself please?
Why don you put on your trip so we can see who the real transphobe is coward ;)

>>8231797
>Cookies n cream is the shit uwu
hell yea
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>>8231814
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>>8231814
i'm on my way to king's cross ^^
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>>8231805
nah id never wear anything as ugly as a fedora. I pretty much refuse to ever wear any kind of hat anyways.

>>8231815
oh sorry its hard for me to tell when i have so many people responding to me if they arent trips. I am sorry sorry sorry sorry
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>13 is too late kill yourself hon
>no keep transitioning at 25 you're fine

I don't know what to do
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>>8231824
Go to Susan's.
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>>8231820
>you filtered me, remember
ah i figured it was you.
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>>8231824
You can't turn back time. Don't give up and make the best out of what you have now.
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>>8231820
>but then you wouldn't be able to see my post anyway
>you filtered me, remember? :)

Jesus Christ all of your post are a giant scream for help. The lengths people go through to fuck with other people is just insane to me.

It's also insanely unattractive you dumb lonely cunt
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So what the fuck does Google need pictures of signs and plows and cars identified for?
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So i think we can all agree that me telling my story was a bad move because of the amount of autism it triggered. My bad.
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>>8231819
lol im not going to hate someone for having a different viewpoint from me on an issue.

I don't think anyone is saying yeah dude take estrogen at 12 and become a girl. what we are saying is that by the age of 12 after some therapy and medical exams that stated when they are 10-11 years old to see if they're dysphoric or not and not just a phase that's going to go away that they should be allowed to start blockers since it literally has z e r o downsides other than hurting someone else's feelings that really shouldn't care at all about another girl's transition

like i said before if for some really weird reasons the girl decides to detransition later on in life she can do so and age like a normal man with no lasting damage.

the alternative is some child abuse type stuff where you FORCE a child against her will to endure dysphoric and highly suicidal male puberty that permanently and irreversibly damages her body because ???????? muh feelings it just makes no logical sense at all to me when the blockers at 12 path has literally no downsides and all advantages

blockers are completely reversible, puberty is not
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>>8231803
++agree
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>there is an entire thread to engage with
>tards continue vicious argument about absolutely nothing relevant with each other like this is reddit
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>>8231823
I'll just use a name later or something
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>>8231837
>man with no lasting damage.
except the high risk of being sterile. Thats pretty much the only reason i care desu.

>>8231838
i find it disgusting that i un filter you and you have nothing nice or intelligent to say
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>>8231836
it's just a few anons that feel strongly about their viewpoints. just ignore them if you can have civilized discussion

i enjoyed the story though and hope things turn around for you soon
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>>8231822
fuck i guess i should get going. im gonna be the one that looks like they hastily applied make up on a trash can (im gonna be earing a purple sweater, shoudl make me easy to spot)
>>8231821
this is gay
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>>8231841
Holy shit this does smell like reddit. Goodnight reddit!

Edit: this thread is so autistic they actually thinking nazi trannies are a problem
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>>8231788
Considering what gender provides to the species, it would be a lobotomy and deny the person the reason to live, the drive for procreation. There is a reason it is hardwired into the brain. That is to make it an imperative to the person so the genes are passed on. It really is a fundamental part of us.

To say that it is impossible to reliably know if a child is trans or not by 10yo is bonkers. Without interference the child will express their preference through actions, and maybe even words. you don't have to raise your child genderless, you just have to be willing to listen to them, and not brush it off.
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>>8231823
I like hats but I rarely wear any.
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>>8231844
>your worst move was thinking that /pol/ was a legitimate foundation to build beliefs o
But i dont and never said it was. I get a few ideas from /pol/ but i disagree with them more often than i agree with them. The main reason i go there is because unlike this board, people there actually have rational arguments and discourse with people they disagree with sometimes.
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Shakira > Cis Tits imo

shes calmed down a ton lately too

>>8231848
lol you'll be way to early no?
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>>8231852
Hahaha the wall matches the hat I thought it was a giant fucking hat
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>>8231859
My friend was asked to leave my smash Bros themed birthday party because he was unironically arguing (removed for arguing at all) that kids shouldn't transition until after college "because of how other kids will respond and it will be weird for them and it won't kill you". I didn't bother to argue with him I just said if you're going to fight about tranny shit you need to leave so he got butthurt and left. I guess he's not really my friend.

It's always the half baked intellectuals who think their opinions matter most.
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>>8231831
I like it when they ask for hamsters and show me rabbits, and opossums instead.
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>>8231846
again that is a risk that they are informed of and if the parents and children agree to it then why should we take the option away from literally everyone. that's illogical making the overwhelming majority suffer from the minority. if someone consents then we can't get upset and let emotions dictate how the process goes.

besides this is a really edge case you're arguing because let's be real here how many kids that are NOT trans suddenly decide "hey you know what I'm going to take these pills that alter my body just for the luls" not many and the confused or gender non confirming thing is a non argument as well becsuse again they're are screened for this

self med is also a non argument because we can't stop it one way or another so why should the kids going the legit route suffer? it just doesn't add up at all. I'm glad they can finally get the medical treatment they need if they seek it out. it's not like patents that are overzealous ate a common thing because honestly most will be highly skeptical and resistant at first if not outright hostile
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>>8231847
>i enjoyed the story though and hope things turn around for you soon
I wanted to end it with on the floor walk the dinosaur but i didnt know how to work it into my story

>>8231850
>To say that it is impossible to reliably know if a child is trans or not by 10yo is bonkers.
I just think its much more likely to be a false positive because of this

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25231780

>ender dysphoria in childhood does not inevitably continue into adulthood, and only 6 to 23 percent of boys and 12 to 27 percent of girls treated in gender clinics showed persistence of their gender dysphoria into adulthood.

That is why i dont really know if its possible to be able to trust kids fully on whether or not if they are really trans when it resolves on its on so often.

But i am no expert and i dont pretend to be.

>>8231852
cute
>>8231853
0/80 apply yourself

>>8231856
>Shakira > Cis Tits imo
I said she was allowed to come back here now. her punishment is over.
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>>8231836
*HUGS*

Time to work on the next load of laundry.
Then I can pack.
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>>8231855
idk i think everyone except that Anon (was it pandora?idk) are making rational arguments. it seems like you are ignoring then because they disagree with you
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I think girls argue here for practice just in case they encounter these meme ideas in the wild. Otherwise why spend so much time theory crafting an argument? No one is keeping track any Hitler literally did nothing wrong
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>>8231859
>and yet you still manage to come up with the idea that there's some sort of epidemic of parents force-transitioning their kids
and that this supposed epidemic is justification to inflict transwomen with dysphoria

Nobody has said anything about an epidemic

>>8231853
Not even remotely an argument or refutation

>>8231855
>The main reason i go there is because unlike this board, people there actually have rational arguments and discourse with people they disagree with sometimes.

ehh i like you but on that one i'll have to disagree, i like /pol/ too but the discourse there is pretty awful desu
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>>8231856
Nicole is never late, nor is she early. She arrives precisely when she means to.
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>>8231870
Uhh who are you even? Are you a new trip if yes welcome to mtfg lol
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>>8231872
Hitler really wasn't as bad as they say tbqh...somebody prove me wrong.
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>all the effort and money was for nothing
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>>8231859
>epidemic of parents force-transitioning their kids
No i never said that, but as this study can confirm a lot of times the gender dysphoria does not percist into adult hood (this is without treatment btw so dont even try that angle) all these kids.

That is my man concern

>ender dysphoria in childhood does not inevitably continue into adulthood, and only 6 to 23 percent of boys and 12 to 27 percent of girls treated in gender clinics showed persistence of their gender dysphoria into adulthood.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25231780

>>8231864
>again that is a risk that they are informed of
Yes but at 12/13 did you really undertand what its like to be sterile? I mean be honest a child is not old enough to decide if they should be sterilizing themself or not. They just lack the emotional and mental maturity for it. So we are letting the parents decide for them, which i will always have a problem with.

But for real i really dont want to keep argueing about this i just want to agree to disagree and talk about something else
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>>8231878
He was a vegetarian. That alone makes him absolutely evil.
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>>8231862
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>>8231871
it's the other way around in reality, in what world was pandora/whoever the fuck it was making rational arguments?

Everytime something was said they didn't agree with all she said was "lol /pol/!"

fuck off lmfao
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>>8231867
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25231780
That is a shitty study with faulty data handling. If a child dropped out of the study and they didn't know if they transitioned or not, they counted it as a desist instead of dropping the child from the study results.
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>>8231880
Don't despair. It gets better.
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i wish my parents sterilized me so i didn't have to receive emails from my two fat 32 year old sons
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>>8231889
it's better than, tumblr, reddit or the god forsaken huffington post.

I'm assuming you use one of these though
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>>8231872
i argue because I'm fucking retarded and even though it makes me want to kill myself and it seems like any time i make a good point they just stop responding and ignore it also makes me want to kill myself to see idiots posting shit and only having people agree so what i should probably be doing is stop coming to 4chan but that also makes me want to kill myself since i have no friends and this is the only place i can get interaction that feels somewhat personal so actually what i need to do is just kill myself i think
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>>8231880
nat go to sleep and stop taking mtfg memes seriously

take your hrt and keep working hard and stop giving up at the drop of a hat gain some resolve girl

i cant count the amount of times mtfg told me to kill myself I'm never ever gonna pass or go full timeor find a boyfriend because at the time I didn't pass

all that bitter hatred just fueled my inner passion to blow them all the fuck out and pass with flying colors


it took a long ass time and many tears and wanting to give up but I did it and went through homelessness and poverty but damn it i did it and im not very smart

if a dummy like me can make it you can too so snap out of this giving up meme and work your butt off to pass
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>>8231871
>are making rational arguments
They were sort of but they lacked any actual evidence. I actually provided a peer reviewed study on gender dysphoria in children.

I am fine with people diagreeing with me, i get that all the time on /pol/. What i dont like (and its not just pandora its atleast 2 other people) attacking me and telling me to kill myself because of a simple disagreement.

>>8231872
heil hitler
>>8231873
>, i like /pol/ too but the discourse there is pretty awful desu
It depends on the threads. But i really have had some intersting conversations there before. Sure most of them tell me to gas myself but its easy to tell whos who because of thread id's and im not getting samefagged over and over again.
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>>8231886
>f a child dropped out of the study and they didn't know if they transitioned or not, they counted it as a desist instead of dropping the child from the study results.
proofs?
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>>8231895
I used to hang out on the Donald to practice my arguing for similar reasons. I learned a lot. Like enough to where even other trans people strike me as ignorant. Most are desu they're just women struggling. I'm going to give Ted talks as soon as I pass. My friend already does this, she's like a famous comedian too I guess. Gonna follow her footsteps for the intellectual stuff.

>>8231880
Aren't you less than a year hormones? I'm like 1.5 now so new, and only last 2 months have I been gendered proper female by most. Takes time. You'll be okay

>>8231891
Was color TV around for you as a kid?

>>8231884
Haha oh shit that's a good one I'm saving this.
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>>8231904
get a vibrator, set it on max
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>>8231898
You're a brave soul I always thought that.
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mtfg needs to seek sunlight and get some dick (feminine or masculine) lmao
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i really wish i could fit in
finally find some people i like and i just suck
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>>8231908
Dick really does make the world a better place.
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>>8231898
It's too late

I've seen too many of the memes

I am the memes now

I feel like I'm frozen and should just detransition and try to scrap it in medical school now
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>>8231908
it is a work in progress
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>>8231913
You have become memes, the destroyer of hon deams.
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>>8231885
i said people besides the Anons who probably were pandora were making rational arguments. you somehow completely misunderstood my post.

>>8231899
if it's that study you posted before as Anon it just said that social transition in children is a good first step idk it didn't rly support anything you said from what i remember. also i don't think an argument requires dying to cite studies for it to be rational
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>>8231908
Nah. Sunlight is bad for my ivory skin now it has thinned a lot and I don't like dick.
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>>8231918
>ivory skin
pale skin is cute as fuck.
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>>8231913
ill five you hugs until the memes stop infecting your dreams of being a cute girls

you
are
gonna
make
it
<3
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>>8231901
until you can find proof that it isn't like that the study is very misleading at best useless at worst

I'm pretty sure i said the same thing when i was talking to you before and you posted it.
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>>8231927
i refuse to believe you arent atleast a little bi with the amount of asami korra shipping pictures you post, which are extremely cute btw
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>>8231927
only place im making it to is a coffin
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>>8231925
Until recently, I could stay in the sun without either burning or tanning but hrt has made it easier to burn. Unfortunately, it's getting harder and harder to find foundation that matches my skin. "Ivory" these days is either light beige or way too pink.
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>>8231930
>until you can find proof that it isn't
>claim study does something
>has no proof its actually doing this
>no you need to prove it doesnt do this
Thats not how it works anon. That would be like me asking you to prove that a giant 2 story tall amazon warrior princess trans girl doesnt live in a galaxy far from here.

You guys make the claim, now you need the evidnce to back it up. Dismissing things you dont like because you think they do something you cant prove seems kind of silly
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>>8231933
nah I just like the this paring I'm also a scummy makorra shipper too wew

>>8231934
but you already made it into my heart qt pie <3
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>>8231937
>, I could stay in the sun without either burning or tanning but hrt has made it easier to burn.
lucky. Im irish and scottish so i go from pale ghost to red lobster in about 20 minuts in the sunlight. Hard as fuck to ever get a tan
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Last night I had a dream where I was a prince (sadly) of the Belgian royal family and it was my coronation to king but everything went wrong because Belgians can't do anything right
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>>8231941
>makorra shipper
literal scum dont talk to me ever again


jk i love you
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>>8231867
Te way you deal with desisters is to put them on puberty blockers at the first sign of puberty hormone changes, and wait until they are 14 to 16yo before hormones. Yeah they blockers may make them taller, but that increases stature in society. People who are tall are generally viewed as better by society.

>>8231901
It was in a professional critique of the study.
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>>8231945
Yeah, my skin is very far from Anglo type. It's yellowish, just very pale. A cousin of mine is worse, she just looks like she's made of candle wax.
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>>8231946
I honestly wonder when my dreams where I am a boy stopped. I don't remember having any nomore in recent times, although I've had one or two where being trans was somehow a huge issue... if that counts.
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>>8231948
>It was in a professional critique of the study.
I would love to see it and the proof they had to make the claims. I am not saying its not possible, but i would also like to know how many dropped out vs the total number because if its not many then i dont see it being all that relevent.
>he first sign of puberty hormone changes, and wait until they are 14 to 16yo before hormones.
I agree with this
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>>8231596
>here is a pic of the one who fucked me over
jeez louise that is depressing
looks like jabba the hutt mixed with Kevin from The Office US.
How'd that happen? I mean like, why would you have sex with that?
sorry if I sound rude
>>8231745
yeah and I tried to kill myself over it when I was 14 because I thought there was something wrong with me lmao
should've just jumped off a high building t b p h
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>>8231951
>It's yellowish,
Are you asian then? or just like Mediterranean.
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>>8231952
Yeah I've had a few wherein people attacked me for being trans too

I too wonder when my brain wil make the switch from male to female, I guess it has something to do with how you think of yourself or something
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>>8231951
You know nothing of yellow skin
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>>8231956
>How'd that happen?
No thats the hon that fucked me out of hormones, not the trans girl i had sex with and who was my room mate. Sorry if i didnt make that clear in my posts. I would never touch that ew

Heres a pic of the trans girl who was my room mate
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>>8231913
hey
cut that out rn
I started at 20 and I'm doing ok
you can too
if you can't believe in yourself then believe in me who believes in you
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>>8231958
Auvergnate. Weird genetics come with being from an isolated and endogamous area. We drove XIXth anthropologists crazy with skull measurements that didn't fit any theory.
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>>8231964
Yeah it really depends on your genes desu. Some people can start at 22 and be fine, some are screwed by 16.
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>>8231968
>some are screwed by 16.
relating to this post
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>>8231964
I was fucked by 12/13 lul xd
asians pass easier they said x3
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>>8231966
>Auvergnate
so you are from france then?
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>>8231971
Yeah.
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>>8231969
>relating to this post
?
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>>8231959
>Yeah I've had a few wherein people attacked me for being trans too
I've not had anything where I was attacked, more ones where I suddenly realized I was naked and suddenly being very obviously trans.

>I too wonder when my brain wil make the switch from male to female, I guess it has something to do with how you think of yourself or something
I guess that has something to do with it. I'm pretty confident in feeling feminine most of the time so that probably helps.
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>>8231898
But you didn't pass, that you do now is a miracle, when I first came here you looked like a man 100%
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>>8231954
Actually it was a very high percentage. There were additional faults with it too.
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>>8231963
o rite lol
yeah those eyes are dead as fuck
the eyes of one who fears neither death nor god
Sorry that she fucked you over, that's really shitty.
>>8231968
>>8231970
I mean obv if you have bdd you're going to feel shitty about yourself a lot of the time regardless of whether or not you're doing well/passing/have good genes but it's good to have someone remind you that everything's gonna be ok, yknow?
>>8231969
shut your goddamn face hole
everyone has seen pictures of you, you're literally cis tier.
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>>8231975
i mean it's relatable
i was pretty screwed by 16 even earlier
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Im hungry but its 2 am. Do i go get cookies or do i just starve till morning. I forgot to eat dinner T_T
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>>8231983
why not just get dinner now?
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>>8231596
inhouse got shut down wtf?
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>>8231980
I don't have BDD
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>>8231980
ive seen my face in real life though and disagree
plus my body is gross, trust
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>>8231983
Sugar in the middle of the night is a bad idea.
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gn ily <3

https://clyp.it/y3h5gtfo
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>>8231981
I started taking whoremoans at 26, about 9 months ago, pass just fine despite not even trying.

I guess it really does depend on genes. Or maybe not.
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>>8231979
i see. I would love to see the critique then

>>8231980
>yeah those eyes are dead as fuck
she was a souless cunt allright
>Sorry that she fucked you over,
iv had lots of people fuck me over in life, it is what it is. I learned a valueable lesson from her and if i had never let her into my life i would never have gone to /lgbt/ in frustration and met my waifu and fiance in a skype thread.

>>8231981
i see. i guess i was just lucky being so sick all the time during puberty i never got very masculine
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>>8231985
eating big meals late at night is terrible for your metabolism
>>8231983
have something light like a cookie or a hot chocolate
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>>8231994
yeah i mean being 26 doesn't really matter at all if you have the right features
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My voice therapist tricked me and now the only voice I can do is a Borat voice.

Also I guess I'm gonna actually get going now. There's going to be some manner of Gay at King's Cross that I think I'm supposed to go fetch.
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>>8231985
because im at my parents house till tommorow and theres 4 people asleep. to get dinner il have to make noise and wake people up :(

>>8231987
didnt it? my gf used to order from there she said it shut down

>>8231990
so starve it is.

>>8231993
nini
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>go back to previous threads to find out why people hate Cis Tits because I didn't pay *that* much attention the first time around
>get bored and half way through because there are hundreds of posts to go through
Welp.
>>8231983
Maybe a few cookies.
>>8232001
Good luck, have fun with her. Same to Sertii if she reads this.
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>>8231996
>have something light like a cookie or a hot chocolate
reee im getting conflicting answers. my tummy wont stop growling. i shuld vocaroo it next time
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>>8232003
ppl hate me because i am an awful hon trantrender nazi
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>>8231523
Shame you're 14, I'd facefuck you. I had the same issue, HRT somehow fixed it.
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>>8232005
>sure would've sucked if somebody had forced you to go through puberty regularly, right?
no i would rather have not had C dif and hundreds of kidney stones.

Have you ever been kicked in the balls? Imagine that pain only its constant and it last from 8 hours to 2 weeks depending on how big the stones are. I had other problems too but haviny my immune system nuked by c diff and kidney stones take the cake.
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>>8231995
It was one somebody else found, and pointed to. I don't even know what criteria to type in to find it.
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>>8232006
And you bullied Shakira out of /mtfg/
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>>8232005
That's quite reasonable. Personally I'd put it at 12 or so. Kids don't know shit about shit.
>>8232006
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Need cuddles asap.
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>>8232015
same
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>>8232012
I'm sorry thought police.
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>>8232013
i did not bully her. she would not stop calling me a chaser because i dont mind using my penis on my gf, this terrible crop explains the rest of what happened.

I have said repeatedly now that her punishment is over and she can come back. If anyone knows her then pls tell her i will allow it.
She was very rude to me , she can blame herself for what happened
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>>8232018
gas me too please
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>>8231996
>eating big meals late at night is terrible for your metabolism
broscience. calories in calories out
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>>8232018
12 is at worst the very *start* of it. Trannies starting at that age will be okay.
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tfw nobody to gas you for being a horrible person
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>>8232028
funny i never agreed to a bet forcing myself off my favorite board because i decided every person who doesnt want absolutely hate their penis is a chaser.
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>>8232034
lets just gas all of us and be done with it. no more arguments, no more semantics. Just zyklon b for you and me
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im sorry for being a bummer
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>>8232034
14's not much worse. It ain't ideal, in my mind but for the most part it'd be acceptable.
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>>8232040
it's okay
im no less guilty than you are
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>>8232021
she was arguing with you because you were anti SRS
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does anybody want me to apologize to them for anything
i feel guilty for no reason
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>>8232043
>you were anti SRS
i am no such thing. I dont like it and it feels fake as fuck to have sex with but if a person really feels like they need it then as long as its not my taxpayer dollars i dont care.
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>>8232048
ok sorry can we kiss now
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>she went to bed and now I have no one to talk to again
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>>8232052
hi
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>>8232052
thats because you hate me. We could talk otherwise ;)
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Good. Finally found a place that actually does insurance covered electrolysis and got an appointment. A month from now, though...
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>>8232057
>insurance covered electrolysis
is that a thing
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>>8232053
henlo
>>8232054
i dont hate you
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>>8232057
Better than me. Im going to have to really kiss my dads ass in the next few weeks to get enough money for laser.

The worst part is i got a whole bunch done before hrt but i never finished it and they told me that because i wasnt on hormones yet it was going to grow back eventually because of testosterone :/

fuck you testosterone, literally worst thing in the world.
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>>8232059
Well, it's possible here, not easy to negotiate outside of the gatekeeping circuit, but I managed to get full coverage on everything trans related, hrt, voice therapy, hair removal and ffs are all I'm likely to use now, though.
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>>8232057
It's a start...
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>>8232046
>I don't like it
>It's fake
>Not my taxpayer dollars
>I'm not anti SRS
Wow you're a retard. And fuck you for comparing trans women to cis women in the bedroom that's probably why she called you a creepy chaser.
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>>8232062
I paid for a few laser sessions out of my own pocket when I started transitioning. Now I'm just going to get the regrowth and white hair removed. Maybe more laser on body hair that looks off, IPL got most of it, but I'd like to have none at all on my breasts and butt, and also get rid of the few strays that grew back on the inside of my labia.
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>waiting for melatonin to dissolve in mouth
>realize i unconsciously had them under my tongue
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>>8232072
>>I'm not anti SRS
Correct. If i was anti srs i woudlnt want anyone to get it. I believe in body autonomy and consdering the person needs to be 18 get the surgery dont they should be mature enough to make that kind of decision.

That doest meant im forced to like it. Iv had first hand experience with it, iv seen and felt what they can look like. My penis works just fine, i like having sex with my gf and if i had it removed id just end up using a strapon anyways. So il keep mine tyvm

>trying this hard
>failing this hard
You really need to apply yourself
>>8232073
IPL?
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i get sad so much for no reason and i feel bad for it
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I am going to bed soon. Can whoever makes the new thread make sure to include to filter pandora since he was trying to groom underage posters into engaging in bestiality?
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>>8232086
Intense pulsed light. Works fine on body hair, not at all on facial hair, and it's not really permanent. I'd rather get something permanent for the areas where women usually don't have hair. Just because cis girls can also get breast hair or some on the inside of labia doesn't mean it doesn't look nasty.
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>>8232094
>underage posters into engaging in bestiality
the fact the mods didnt ban her for that when its fucking illegal is just mind boggling

>>8232095
ahh gotcha

well im going to bed nini everyone sweet dreams
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>>8232107
I'm still alive.
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>>8232109
>>8232109
>>8232109

Going to bed. Good night, everyone.

Please don't engage with the zoophile that grooms children and tells lesbians to kill themselves.
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if i kill myself it'll be so devastating to my mom and she's crazy enough to kill herself too
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Kiwi strawberry
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