Would you say feminism or mens rights are more important for

None. They are both full of crap.

>>8207325
All that image tells me is that the creator is very easy to rape.

>>8207499
and why?

>>8207325
Neither, why can't we fight for gender equality without the focus being on only one half

It's either both, or none. I'd err on the side of none if only because the politicization of everything nowadays is driving me nuts. I'd rather just go back to trad values, rather than have to try to keep my sanity together throughout all this mania.

>>8207568
>It's either both, or none.
and why so?

>>8207613
because in order to make an honest attempt to address and solve any so called inequalities between men and women you have to start from a position of looking at the whole picture. You can't just isolate men's issues and women's issues and expect to come to a sustainable conclusion.

>>8207511
Topkek

>>8207546
They are both a bunch of whiny egocentrical hipsters and neckbeards who only want to fuck one side and leave the other one in a clear dominance position. Be it SJWohres and the cunts that praise them or the desperate MRA whiny faggots that are always talking about "da feels" with their mudslime "I choose the hijab" retarded wifes.

>>8207549
Thank God there's still some sound people left in the world.

Feminism while the name implies that it only applies to one, most feminist fight for equality for both genders and if you exclude TERFs and the older generations stuck in second wave beliefs feminist do much more for Trans rights than MRAs ever seem to especially because to me as an ex-MRA feels like a much more shallow movement

>>8208195
>most feminist fight for equality for both genders
[citation needed]

>>8208195
Second wave feminism fought for equality. Third wave aka "muh feminism" fights to destroy men. As I said MRA aren't good either, they are a bunch of whiny faggots. Also feminism nowadays fights to praise the worst weirdos (see: the day cis scum "thin", because that's not even human).

>>8208227
>Third wave aka "muh feminism" fights to destroy men. As I said MRA aren't good either, they are a bunch of whiny faggots.
Objecting to the destruction of a gender is being a whiny faggot. 'kay...

>>8208227
Also, is it really necessary to be so fucking boisterous, if the LGBT fights for the normalization of homosexuality an transsexuality and stuff like this, shouldn't they be like "yeah, I'm gay/ lesbian/ trans/ an attack helicopter, how's your day?" instead of being like "look at us, gay pride, we're special"?

>>8208245
Nope, but caring only about one half of the world while disregarding the other is.

>>8208260
Funny how you say second wave FEMInism was for equality but when the same movement tries to destroy a gender, suddenly anyone standing up to them is bad for only fighting that battle. Which is a lie anyway.

>>8208277
Standing up to them isn't bad, caring only for one part of the problem is.
I plan getting a bunker, just in case SJWhores decide to go full retard.

>>8208296
*on. Sorry.

>>8208302
Plus, what part of what I said is a lie?

>>8208296
So you're saying men should be fighting the battle feminism has already won and then gone too far on as well as fighting feminist sexism against themselves?

Shouldn't feminists start going back to second wave and begin that instead of trying to destroy men?

If you were right that second wave feminism was about equality.

>>8208309
Where to start?

Let's start at the beginning: Prove second wave feminism was for equality.

We are worried about different issues than rape.

>>8208340
There's what they said and then there's the results.

They said they wanted equality n stuff and they got it, like getting rid of the pay gap (which back the wasn't an excuse to say "we want to work less and earn more than men") and that got it. Really, proving what a movement or ideology is about is more about the results than what the people defending it say, that's why communism is utter bullshit. The results were good, they moved closer to equality, not closer to destroying one gender or the other one.

Third wave feminism should have been about expanding it to shit-tier in Africa and the middle east, but it ended up being about weirdos, misandric dikes, and "men" who really are only desperate cunts. I'm not saying MRA should fight both fights, I'm saying we should send MRA and SJWhores to the sun and fight for equality without being bothered by either of them, one of the first steps being putting women who falsely claim rape in prison.

>>8208362
MRA or SJW?

>>8208433
>There's what they said
Hah.

>and then there's the results.
What did they ever do for men?

You want MRAs murdered for, allegedly, only trying to protect themselves from the women trying to kill them without also being second wave feminists.

But MRAs care far more for equality than any feminist ever has.

>>8207325
No because both side hate us. Feminist hate me because I have "toxic masculinity" for wanting to be a man. And "menist" hate me because I'm still a female technically.

Both terms are fucked at this point. We just need to fight for inequality period and stop labeling it with this shit. Feminism and men's rights used to be a good thing but now everyone sees either or both as negative.

>>8208443

Neither, but I am a man. Point is you can't compare the issues that two groups face by showing just one issue experienced primarily by only one of said groups. Of course, just saying that ignores rape experienced by those in prison.

>>8208477
But that's the problem. Maybe I'm not right about second wave feminism, but MRA don't give a fuck about equality, they only care about their side of the problem. Second wave feminism only cared about issues women had because earlier revolutions and shit had already led to men being in a better position. Of course, I'm not going to claim men have always had it better. Yeah, maybe we got the right to vote earlier than women and maybe we made de decisions and ruled over women, but the ones being sent to an almost certain death for some stupid war we maybe didn't give a fuck about were us. If I had to choose between living without properties, but without certain death I'd obviously choose it.

>>8208552
Totally agree.

>>8208497
>"menist"
I think the term would be masculinist, since it's feminists and not womanists.

>>8208497
Also, this. SJWs always make sure to say TRANSman or TRANSwoman because they only care about being special. We want to be seen as women or men, not as trans.

>>8208497
>"menist" hate me because I'm still a female technically.
I've never seen transphobia from that side of things.

>>8208607
Wouldn't failed men be mtfs?

>>8208607
He's an ftm idiot and you're not an MRA, you're a /pol/tard.

>>8208644
Get over it, retard.

>>8207325
Neither. People have all the rights they need. Stop adding more. In fact subtract some across the board.

Anyway, the problem is that neither of the is doing any good to trans people. MRAs just dgaf and SJWhores treat make sure that trans people are seen as TRANS which does not good to them, since this is one of the reasons I'm going to repress for life.

>>8208805
Also, I just realised I wrote the instead of them and left "treat" when I rewrote the phrase. Sorry.

>>8208731
Get

over

it

>Jayden
Wrong.

>>8208731
They are mostly fit and look like teenagers tho.

Now that I've been thinking of it, the problem is: why does dysphoria exist? Why do some boys feel like they should be girls? Why do some girls feel they should be boys? There really is no such thing as a soul, besides one's personality, which is actually the way our brain reacts to data. I've been feeling like I should have been born a girl since I was four, and back then I knew nothing about it and there wasn't all that stuff about transsexuals that we have nowadays, so why did I feel like this? Also, thinking of this actually relieves my dysphoria.

>>8208976
Also, why does there seem to be more mtf than ftm?

>>8208976
>why does dysphoria exist? Why do some boys feel like they should be girls? Why do some girls feel they should be boys?
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/faq-on-the-science/

>>8209186
Cultural reasons like ftms being less likely to transition.

>>8208976
Because hormones change brain structures in utero.
There are female brains and male brains and they are different.
And you can have a female brain in a male body and vice versa.

>>8209397
>There are female brains and male brains and they are different.
>And you can have a female brain in a male body and vice versa.
[citation needed]

>>8207325
I respect:
>people who are too happy to care about politics either way
>moderate people who care about improving laws for men and women, but aren't tumblr

>>8209492
just google it ya lazy cunt

>>8209641
>my wild claims that aren't backed by science don't need facts or research to be true!
>any slight peculiarity in brains automatically proves binary male and female brains and that this is inborn and necessarily causes transness!
Sure, whatever, bye.

>>8207325
Feminism. Yes there are TERFs, but there are at least branches of feminism that recognize trans people and acknowledge that they have specific needs. Most men's rights activists on the other hand only focus on what's best for "normal" men, and the movement as a whole seems more a reaction against feminism than something with any real goals of its own.

>transvaginal ultrasound is rape
Don't you have to consent to medical procedures?

>>8210056
Circumcision.

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>>8207325
Feminists in the modern age. Although everybody needs to shut the fuck up and work together.

>>8210313
>Given extra attention in class.
Can I get more info on this one?

>>8210126
As if I'm not opposed to infant circumcision?
But the point is, your parents have to consent to that, they don't just sneak in a circumcision while they're getting rid of the umbilical cord

>>8209348
Why are they less likely though?

>>8209397
Wait, was that confirmed (the thing about hormones in utero)? Also I had heard that female brains had more connections between different areas and male brains had more connections inside one area, but would that be noticeable to such a level that it would make you want to change your body?

>>8210945
yes

>>8210959
What a short answer for such a long question.

>>8210921
Women can be more gender conforming without transition, AGPs who can't cope as males have fewer other options, mtf transition possibly being easier to try. That kind of thing.

>>8210945
No it isn't confirmed, look at that poster's response when asked for source >>8209641 He was likely just making it up because it's the thing he likes.

Link to the connections to different areas thing?

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>>8207325
Feminist rape culture hysteria LOL

>>8210985
Why can women be more gender conforming without transition?

>>8210734
Welp, I guess there goes a debunked mith.

>>8210999
Really, I don't even remember where I read it and I always take this kind of stuff with a grain of salt. Also the source he provided wasn't exactly what you would call a trusted source so...

Both spend all their time going at each other's throats and yelling past each other rather than actually having discussions, learning from one another, and trying to make the world a better place.

What good are either of them?

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>>8207325
Why don't we all accept the Human Rights?
So easy

>>8212033
Since when do human rights mention tranies?

>>8207325
sage for bait image

>>8207325
I'm a rather small male. I have to do nearly all of these. Fuck off.

>>8208600
you're obviously not paying attention, then

>>8207325
while third wave feminist have lots of stupid stuff, some is understandable
but the aim of MRAs ist just stupid most of the time
Lots of them just want to take womens rights away instead of giving rights to men

>>8210697
so why not for the little girl to? I want my daughter circumcised. Im the parent i consent so thats good right?

>>8212033
Men dont need mens rights because feminism. (No REEEEEEEEEEEE)

You dont need feminism because human rights. (REEEEEEEEEEEE)

>>8207325
>don't go out after dark
>stay away from strange men
>avoid large groups of strangers when alone
>don't give out phone numbers
>be mindful of anyone stronger

These seem like general safety guidelines that apply to everyone, not just women. Yeah, a man probably isn't going to be raped, but he's more likely to be assaulted and they're both just as likely to be mugged.

>>8213753
If they weren't, then reproduction with human men would be impossible.

>>8213828
???

>>8211511
He probably means more gender non-conforming.
women and girls have a lot more freedom of expression and dress than boys/men. Plus they get life on easy mode as long as they maintain the slightest amount of physical fitness(ie be anything other than a landwhale) and aren't horrendously ugly.
Why give up being a pretty girl to be a dickless man?

>>8220616
>Why give up being a pretty girl to be a dickless man?
ask the ftms?

>>8207511

The creator is probably fat enough that you would need special tools to find her genitals. I wouldn't call that easy.

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>>8225648

>>8211511
In most of the west, someone who looks physically female wearing typically masculine clothes or acting in a typically masculine way is seen as relatively normal. The inverse is seen as creepy and perverted.

>>8227932
Male privilege.

>>8227984
>inb4 le gender pay gap meme
Then why doesn't every fucking company hire females only to maximize profit?

>>8227932
The problem is women look good with male clothes, because male clothes are designed to look good on pretty much anyone while female clothes are designed to show much more. Seen a hairy fat dude in a dress is fucking disgusting.

>>8207325
Neither.

None of them work for our favor, and both are very much against us existence.

>>8207325
The one is anti-LGBT, so the other is better by default.

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>>8207325
No. Feminists and men's rights """activists""" both have extreme victim complexes.

>>8231130
Justified in the one case.

>>8225604
the creator is pretty obviously a man you fucking retard
seriously how can you miss the entire point of the image this spectacularly

>>8207325
Men are raped more than women, including prison. Women have to take steps to not go and get themselves raped for the same reason car owners have to take steps not to go and get their car stolen. People want what you got, so you have to protect it. If people take what they want from you against your will, we punish them. But it makes sense to be proactive and protect yourself. The fact that women outside of prison are more likely to be raped than men doesn't discount concerns about men's rights, such as preferential treatment for women in divorce settlements or custody disputes. All mistreatment is wrong, but society recognizes rape as wrong and punishes it, while society enforces anti-male treatment.

>>8237131
I like the car theft analogy. I'm going to think about that.

>>8237131
>The fact that women outside of prison are more likely to be raped than men
I'm not even convinced that's true, if you define rape of men as broadly as rape of women.

feminism is just about bitching about the most mundane things now days

I have nfi what mens right do, noone talks about it

>>8208195
Third wave fauxfeminists are as good as MRAs when it comes to women's rights, which is why they fight for male transgender people's rights.

>>8208227
Holy shit, this is so funny.
Second wave feminists are radical feminists who seriously fight against male supremacy. They do not fight for equality; they fight for liberation. They're the kind misogynist little shits should actually fear.

Third-wave liberal fauxfeminists are actually just perpetuating neoliberal, queer, "sex liberal" ideology that benefits men. The "kill all cis white man" screaming tumblr dwellers have absolutely zero political power and are not in any way threatening men's precious male supremacy, I'm afraid. It's funny anyone would think they should be taken as a serious threat to male supremacy.

Please "educate yourself":
radfem.org

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>>8231130
*le reddit sigh and action stars*

>>8245337
>women are much more likely to lie in surveys, especially when it's about sex
>https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3936-fake-lie-detector-reveals-womens-sex-lies/

>>8245337
lol come on no one seriously believes this bullshit right?

This would assume that every single woman that has ever said they were raped actually was raped when that's obviously not true.

>>8245269
http://i.imgur.com/rVeND6C.png

>>8245401
>Women’s coyness about their sexual behaviour was unveiled by a US study involving a fake lie detector test.
>coyness
So they all claim to get raped I guess.

Jesus christ you're stupid. They're likely to hide the fact they were raped.

>>8245421
As per FBI statistics, fake rape allegations are exactly as rare as fake allegations of every other crime.

>>8245425
>MRAs literally don't know how to post images on 4chan
What a surprise.

Let me trigger you a bit:
FGM is scientifically proven to be vastly more harmful than circumcision.

Anyone with half a brain and Internet access should know this, and I have to go soon, so I won't waste time spoon feeding you.

>>8245433
>FGM is scientifically proven to be vastly more harmful than circumcision.
[citation needed]

>I have to go soon, so I won't waste time spoon feeding you.
The good old feminist citation.

>>8245447
Oh god you little idiotic pieces of shit just don't get satisfied without a good hard spanking, do you?

>Neonatal circumcision is generally safe when done by an experienced practitioner.[66][67] The most common acute complications are bleeding, infection and the removal of either too much or too little foreskin.[4][68] These complications occur in approximately 0.12% of procedures, and constitute the vast majority of all acute circumcision complications in the United States.[68] Minor complications are reported to occur in three percent of procedures.[66] Severe complications are rare.[69]

>The highest quality evidence indicates that circumcision does not decrease the sensitivity of the penis, harm sexual function or reduce sexual satisfaction.[20][71][72] A 2013 systematic review found that circumcision did not appear to adversely affect sexual desire, pain with intercourse, premature ejaculation, time until ejaculation, erectile dysfunction or difficulties with orgasm. However, the study found that the existing evidence is not very good.[73] Another 2013 systematic review found that the highest-quality studies reported no adverse effects of circumcision on sexual function, sensitivity, sensation or satisfaction.[21]

>There is strong evidence that circumcision reduces the risk of men acquiring HIV infection in areas of the world with high rates of HIV.[10][11]

>Circumcision is associated with a reduced prevalence of oncogenic types of HPV infection

>Circumcision has a protective effect against the risks of penile cancer in men, and cervical cancer in the female sexual partners of heterosexual men.

>FGM harms women's physical and emotional health throughout their lives.[64][65]:49 It has no known health benefits.[8]

>Common short-term complications include swelling, excessive bleeding, pain, urine retention and healing problems/wound infection. A 2015 systematic review of 56 studies that recorded immediate complications suggested that each of these occurred in more than one in ten girls and women undergoing any form of FGM, including symbolic nicking of the clitoris (Type IV), although the risks increased with Type III. The review also suggested that there was under-reporting.[66] Other short-term complications include fatal bleeding, anaemia, urinary infection, septicaemia, tetanus, gangrene, necrotizing fasciitis (flesh-eating disease) and endometritis.[65]:49[67][6]

Now shut your whore little mouth, will you?

>>8245458
>>8245474
Use your eyes.

http://i.imgur.com/rVeND6C.png

>>8245483
>an anecdote represented by a dramatic picture with big, red text below it, vs. scientific and statistical data
What a fierce battle.

>>8245504
>photographed facts are anecdotes
>wikipedia is science

who cares about female circumcision? that's a problem for feminists to deal with.

i'm mtf.

>>8245511
>photographed facts are anecdotes
Yes, they literally are.

>wikipedia is science
When it cites scientific studies, yes, it literally is.

>>8245433
>So they all claim to get raped I guess
playing the victim has a lot more benefits and no risks, as opposed to admitting to having sex with many people willingly

>Common short-term complications...
>56 studies that recorded immediate complications...
Nothing here about the long term effects

>Other short-term complications include fatal bleeding, anaemia, urinary infection, septicaemia, tetanus, gangrene, necrotizing fasciitis (flesh-eating disease) and endometritis.
This is equally true for male circumcision too, or any surgery involving the genitals.
Or do you simply not understand what any of the conditions actually are?

>>8245540
I don't know why you want to pretend FGM is worse. They should both be illegal but MGM isn't.

>>8245548
Oh man you're a fucking idiot and I'm too tired to answer properly. Like what little hole did you get out of?

>WOMEN ARE SUCH EVIL WITCHES THEY ACCUSE POOR MEN OF RAPING THEM!!!

Such a fucking idiot.

>Nothing here about the long term effects
Learn to read and follow citations.

>This is equally true for male circumcision too
It isn't. Unless you can prove it is.

>>8245560
Circumcision is literally not even bad in total. It has health benefits. Unlike FGM, which is pure pain and complications.

I've provided you extensive evidence whose sources you can check, but a deluded fucking MRAs mind cannot grasp such things like "material, empirical evidence" or "scientific data." His little half-brain can only scream "b-but MUH FORESKIN" and deny actual facts.

Congrats you made me mad. 8/8

>>8245584
This is the double standard you support.
http://i.imgur.com/rVeND6C.png

>>8245584
you know, you should really try to read those very citations, the results would surprise you.

>>8207325
Men's rights and transgenderism are both types of misogynist ideology

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>>8245584
see pic related

had to post an image because 4chan was being retarded and not letting me post

>>8245584
>Circumcision is literally not even bad in total. It has health benefits. Unlike FGM, which is pure pain and complications.
kys

>>8207325
but that pic is bullshit

>>8208189
t. edgy contrarian

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>>8207325
both are cancer because while they are both worthwhile alone in tandum they tend to make eachother even more extreme through polarization.

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>>8208195
theyre both shallow, but that's not to say they dont have their moments or their real issues worth fixing, but yeah, both are pretty shit.

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>>8208195
as an example this is the actions of many feminist leaning idiots. this woman was banned from /r/food by the way, for being better than these bitches at painting, photography, baking, and sewing.

>>8237131
divorce doesnt favor women, it favors the poor (so women). if you are a rich bitch and marry some poor dude, you can get all your bananas taken by him

>>8245247
>The "kill all cis white man" screaming tumblr dwellers have absolutely zero political power
Except when they end up addressing the fucking UN.

>>8213848
>Lots of them just want to take womens rights away instead of giving rights to men

No, lots of them want to take away women PRIVILEGES that they "fought for" which actively disadvantage men.

>>8207325
wtf is wrong with you?

I'm a man and I stay away from strange men, I cross the street to avoid suspicious groups (they might not rape me, but then again getting robbed isnt too cool either), I don't give out phone numbers, I'm careful with social media updates, etc.

feminists = JIDF agents = scum of earth

>>8260213
>feminists = JIDF agents
Good boyim, blame other men.

>>8256946
What was the official reason she was banned?