/agpg/ - AGP General

>>8206029
>using pic of twinkhon
>wanting to be a tranny

>BLANCHARD WAS RIGHT edition
Shit thread.

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blanchardianism in a nutshell

>>8206301
>>8206133
why would we have an anti agp agp thread? if u dont believe in god blanchard then just leave

this is AGP gen not delusion tranny gen thx very much

>>8206396

>this is AGP gen not delusion tranny gen thx very much

So, gullible delusional granny gen then?

>>8206413
>i believe in gravitation but not in newton's theory of gravitation

When I was young, and now I guess, I've tapped to tg erotica and like sissy shit. But I hate stuff involving vaginas and hate when the stories go beyond just castration stuff.
I don't know if I'm gay or trans. I have already had sex with guys and loved bottoming but I can fap to pics of girls and imagine myself as them. I dislike pics or porn vids that focus on the vag though
Pls help me I'm dying here

>>8206434
I have no idea how any of this works. I've tried crossdressing before and it was nice.
I just like the concept of being a girl and having sex with men. Like that's like 90% of my focus when I fap and it's driving me crazy.

>>8206445
interpersonal AGP, it's quite common

>>8206029
I'm not trans.
But if you don't have dysphoria you are not trans.
What your OP describes are creepy beta males. Literally buffalo bill.

I also don't know how you can say most trans fit this bill?

>>8206449
What does that even mean?

>>8206455
what you have

theres also transvestic AGP, behavioral, anatomic and functional.

>>8206460
I still have no idea what you mean. Like is this normal?

>>8206469
Hon-ey, we don't operate in normal here

>>8206476
Well in terms of what I should do, what should I do?

>>8206469
desu urs sounds the MOST NORMAL

like no girl is like umf my hot body lemme jerk off,

urs is like what 99% normal women get off to

i think u might not even be AGP if im generous, since your also gay

>>8206485
>Well, is this something that just turns you on or is there anything else to it? Are you unhappy with your body?
I'm unhappy with my body cause I'm like 100lbs and have a weird hair disorder that causes my follicles to grow like 6 hairs each. I don't have a lot of body hair it's just what I have annoys that fuck out of me.
I would rather have a girls butt and whatnot but I'm not sure if that's just cause I hate my ass.

>>8206469

"Normal" isnt a useful label. You probably fantasise about being a petite, titted slut or shemale or bimbo who is just used by "real" men as a sex toy. It is autogynephilia, you are turned on by the thought of being a woman and being submissive (you sexist pig lol)

It's quite common to feel this way but you wouldn't normally be considered trans as a sexual fetish isn't normally enough to drive a transition.

I say this as a married father of two who wishes he was a petite shemale slut.

>>8206510
I don't want to be with a guy that's identical to me though. I like bigger guys cause that's been like all my fucking fapping material since forever lol

>>8206527
I don't know
Depends how I turned out I guess. I wouldn't want to look really bulky. But I know guys can look really good even though they're small. I liked edward norton in fight club lol
But still I love stuff like makeup and whatever. Like I have really weird obsessions and I don't know what to do.

>>8206537
I love girls clothes though. Like not in a gay way, at least I don't think, I don't know how gay people think lol
I completely suck at life. Like I've done a ton of gay stuff and have been fucked by dudes but I still don't connect with gay people it feels like.
I would want to be a girl because it's what I think is most aesthetically pleasing in some sense. Which is weird considering it conflicts with who I want to have sex with.

>>8206427
>>8206483
Partial autogynephilia. Just transition without getting SRS.

>>8206565
I don't need to be a perfect girl, I am fine with a lot of girls different aesthetics.
>If you had to spend the rest of your life in isolation, without anyone being able to see you, would you prefer to be a man or a woman? Would you be prepared to risk your health to live as one and not the other?
I don't know, when I was younger I always wanted to be a girl but I've never had a huge aversion to mens stuff. I liked how guys appreciated I was into mens stuff and I just went down that route. I honestly think if I just said fuck it and became a gay male nurse my life would be alright but I love how guys are into sciency mechanic type stuff and I just keep doing it like a retard. I'm honestly completely dysfunctional as a human being.....

>>8206591
I did a lot of drugs from 18-19 which concerns me as to the answer to that.
My family remembers me always asking to get girls haircuts and such when I was really little. I kind of got into psychs and really really heavy into weed, like beyond recreational, and I sort of forgot/repressed much of my youth.
Everyone in my family plays it off like it was nothing. I went through an emo phase and had long hair, I straightened my hair, would dye it, basically was turbo-gay for a while yet no one asked if I was gay cause I have zero gay voice and am just a weird nerd. Like I had shoulder length hair and obsessed over it yet to my family that was perfectly fine. I don't even know what to think cause they're like super catholic and conservative.

>>8206609
How am I supposed to look like a girl without being one. This is like the entire issue.

>>8206623
What if I don't like my body cause it's not like it's a girls. I generally like girls features but in the sense of how I think of relationships functioning

>>8206503
>and being submissive (you sexist pig lol)
EXCUSE me but aaps are just the same. uke not seme.

>>8206427
What do you think of the thought of having sex with a girl, as either a guy or a girl yourself?

What's different between how you feel about girls and about guys?

What is it that's arousing imagining being a girl?

>>8206445
What was nice about crossdressing?

Was it arousing?

>>8206652
How am I supposed to know these things. I've been with guys and they loved stuff like my stomach, back, etc cause they thought it was cute. Like the only thing i know of guys is through my slutty camwhoring and like the three times I've had sex lol
I don't want to be excessively mannish. I want to attract guys

>>8206661
I don't want to have sex with a girl. I can sometimes imagine it but usually I prefer imagining myself as a girl with a guy
I only know gender differences mainly off stereotypes, I know reality is way way different though
I get aroused at tg erotica mainly during the sex stuff, like cumming from anal only.

>>8206691
>Care to elaborate
I like big hips and pear shape type but not on the guys I'm attracted to
I hate my skinny body and I'm basically Auschwitz-body with negative ass

>>8206702
I think you're HSTS, TG fantasies notwithstanding.

>>8206709
I honestly don't know. I started putting on weight and freaked out cause it went to the wrong spots
I'm not sure if I worked out if I'd be completely fine with it. Like I love thin guys with mean muscle. I have a really really hard time differentiating between what I'm attracted to versus body image

>>8206714
Lean* sorry

>>8206726
I guess it could just be body issues... I wasn't looking for a specific answer sorry if I sounded like that

>>8206417
You know Newtonian physics is inaccurate in several respects, right?

>>8206396
Because misleading people is ethically wrong?
Because theories made specifically so that they are difficult to falsify should be displaced by ones created through a more scientifically valid process?
Because the people here are already confused enough without having to parse through politically motivated dogma?

>>8207432
>Because misleading people is ethically wrong?
QFT

>theories made specifically so that they are difficult to falsify
[citation needed]

>the people here are already confused enough
What to do about that then?

>politically motivated dogma
[citation needed]

Which kinds of AGP do you have? Give examples
>transvestic
>behavioral
>anatomic
>functional/physiological
>interpersonal

>>8211260
all of them ;_; well perhaps not transvestic

How the fuck do you stop fapping to the thought of yourself as a girl?
I've just been thinking back on it and realized my entire life I've never just watched porn normally. I've always read these stupid tg erotica stories and even when I looked at porn I always imagined myself as the girl.

I think this has genuinely fucked with my mind and I'm not sure how to be normal again. I just want to stop wanting to feel like I should be a girl. Like starting with erotica from a young age has gotta have just messed with mind. Plus my parents scolding feminine behaviour and having to hide crossdressing can't have done me any good either.

>tfw you see a cool looking girl and realize women are encouraged to live their lives freely in a way you will never know as a man without being completely ostracized by society

I don't want to die like most people who feel this way. I just wish I could live.

>>8213018
>How the fuck do you stop fapping to the thought of yourself as a girl?

Bring yourself as close as possible to the girl youre dreaming to be

>>8213018
atleast youre not into ABDL yet

>>8213643
this is garbage, the only things i could see are clothing options and perhaps sexual preference, but gays have a shiton of acceptance nowadays anyways.

SO YOU LIE, stop making up excuses

>>8213643
Live their lives freely what way?

>>8214069
>she really doesn't think men and women are treated any different by society

>>8214069
I don't want to speak for them, and I'm definitely projecting a lot, but I will say that I think a lot of people who say this really mean that they just want to be women. Men can be pretty free in accepting cultures/environments (though they still have more restricted expression, particularly of "feminine" traits) but they can't just be women. Like, the feeling of "freedom" isn't so much about what they can do, but something more nebulous and emotional.

>>8206029
>swallow hormones
>get hard

>feel budding breasts
>get hard

>talk to GP about being trans
>get hard

>wear anything feminine
>get hard

And people have the audacity to say that AGP isn't real, LOL

>>8214182
>read this post
>get hard

>>8214182
iktf

I'd literally get hard during crying from overwhelming dysphoria, and then fap afterwards and probably cry more then too. I don't even know whether what I masturbated to counts as AGP, since my thoughts were mostly on how I hate myself and I'm never going to be a girl and how I want it so badly rather than pretending I was female, and maybe they aroused me because they were technically thinking about being a girl even in that context, or maybe I was just horny and needed to masturbate even though I felt horrible about it. The fact that the dysphoria blended with the arousal so much was what let me stay in denial about being AGP for so long (until well after I'd accepted being trans); I knew I was getting aroused from thinking of my own femininity, but somehow the context made me brush it aside. I guess ignoring it was my way of telling myself that rationally I knew it didn't invalidate my dysphoria and wasn't much of (if any) motivation to transition, but without having to confront the fact that I didn't really believe that on an emotional level.

Actually, I don't know why I wrote that in the past tense; I still do it, just without the denial of the AGP now. Also, can I just point out the the irony of getting erections causing dysphoria, which leads to fantasising about being female, therefore causing you to get even more aroused/erect? It's great.

>>8214182
>>8214498
Bear with it. Gotta push through to the other side.

>>8211260
Would you care to develop the 3 last points ?

>>8214182
>get hard at everything

that's called being a teenager
you don't need no silly acronyms

>>8213661
I don't think I can. I can't even function enough to date people lol
Plus like half the shit I'm into involves fucking guys while dressed like a girl. Usually it's like forced fem stuff I guess. But I don't think dating a girl is a bright idea.

>>8215592
date a boy silly

>>8214498
>>8214182
this is why cypro exists.

waitwhat why did all of my posts ITT got deleted?

>>8215612
I kind of tried once. It didn't quite feel right though. Plus I kind of like crosddressing, no clue how to bring that up. Bottoming for guys did feel good though, cause like it's always been my fantasy even though I've mostly read forced fem stuff and there's usually a girl involved.
I kind of want to take hrt just in case I finally figure shit out though and I'm worried gay dudes will flip out me getting boobs lol

>>8215787
>It didn't quite feel right though.
how not?

>>8215811
I don't know I just felt like he wouldn't like me because I don't look like a girl. I just felt really bad because every time I had sex i couldn't get over the fact that I just have like a skinny man ass
It sounds stupid but like I didn't feel comfortable about having sex with him while I was still a guy

>>8215639
Probably the mod disagreed with your posts defaming Blanchardianism. It's happened before.

>>8215635
I am taking cypro, and it helps, but my erections aren't close to gone. I only masturbate every few weeks on average too, though I guess I look at erotic content and get aroused enough that I'm giving myself more erections than I have to even so. I always got them really easily so I guess it's always going to be that way. It really sucks. Considering my testosterone is low already, even an orchidectomy will barely help, and then what other options could I even try? I've heard about all sorts of ways you can supposedly stop erections but it all seemed like bullshit for role-playing sissy fetishists.

>>8214528
I know. Thank you for your reassurance. It's just that the other side is really far away, and I'm not sure whether it would ever even be good enough. I'm not going to pass too well, and my SRS results will probably be shitty even in the best scenario (and the not-so-great cases can be pretty fucking disastrous) so I can't just hope for that.

I wish I could be a passing AGP who's comfortable with their maleness. Like, they see themselves as a woman but they're totally okay with who they are and embrace their differences from cis women: comfortable with being AGP, comfortable with their penis, comfortable with their past and how they're not quite the same as other women socially or mentally. The confidence and comfort appeals to me so much. It's why I'm more jealous of successfully transitioned MtFs than cis women; they had the same hardships as me but they overcame them. But there's no point complaining about that; it's fundamentally the same as what any trans person wants and it doesn't provide any insight. It's not going to happen so I should do the best I can with what I've got.

>>8217065
>comfortable with their past and how they're not quite the same as other women socially or mentally
What exactly makes you uncomfortable with this?

>>8214955
Anatomic AGP is AGP for having a female body or parts of one. Breasts, genitals, bodyshape, appearance, etc.

Physiological AGP is for having female body functions. Periods, hormonal cycles, pregnancy, etc.

Interpersonal AGP is for being seen and treated by society as a woman. Female pronouns, having doors opened for you, being the girl in a relationship (and by extension, pseudo-bisexuality), etc.

Is it possible to be AGP and AAP? I think I might be...

>>8219292
Greentext everything.

>>8217065
I'm sorry. Good luck!

AGP is legit the creepiest thing I have ever heard of.
Buffalo Bills ITT

>>8219397
tbqh i dont think jame "buffalo bill" was that that creepy. he just wanted to feel like a woman. if y ou watch the movie again youll see how patient he is with his "victims" he snaps a couple times but only when theyre being unreasonable

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Attention, AGPs. This is how the rest of the world sees you:
>>8219439
>>8219439
>>8219439

>>8219439
Idk about trans issues that much, im not trans. But by reading the definition of what agp is here it's just creepy as fuck.
You're legit buffalo bills.
How can you claim to be trans when you don't have dysphoria?
You're just effeminate men who go overboard.
Read the OP and tell me that isn't creepy as fuck.

>>8219587
>How can you claim to be trans when you don't have dysphoria?
Why do you think we don't have dysphoria? You can be "AGP", trans, both or neither. "AGP" in trannies is usually a repression mechanism and fades away post-transition. Non-trans AGPs generally don't transition because of that. Not much of a point to transitioning for a fetish if you lose the fetish in the process.

>agp
>transition
>not agp anymore
wtf

>>8219601
Wtf do you mean repression mechanism?
If you want to be a woman purely because you want to have lesbian sex and have some creepy obsession with women you aren't fucking trans.
If you're literally born in the wrong sex and everything about your body doesn't connect with your mind then you're trans.
This AGP shit is just creepy and gross.

I was in prison with trannies, because they put us fags and trannies on the pervert wing, but don't get me started on that.

My best friend in there was a REAL trans girl, who looked like a girl (even though she was taller than me), sounded like a girl, walked like a girl, had boobs. She was just female in every way apart from her birth. She fought hard to get her monthly hormone injection and to get her make up.

Then there were two "transbians". Neither of them looked remotely female, one was fucking going bald. One of them worked out at the gym and had a better body than most of the guys. They sounded like men, moved like men, everything about them was masculine apart from ones pink converse trainers and both painted their fucking nails.
Neither of them fought to get their hormones.

That really sums up why "transbians" aren't really trans imo.
Those two other ones were probably this agp shit.

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>>8206476
kek

>>8219898
>Wtf do you mean repression mechanism?
It's a way to allow yourself to imagine you're a woman if you consciously can't allow yourself to like imagining such things because you were taught to be ashamed of them. Repression and psychological fragility join together to fuck you up.

>If you want to be a woman purely because you want to have lesbian sex and have some creepy obsession with women you aren't fucking trans.
Good thing that's not why trans people with AGP want to transition.

>If you're literally born in the wrong sex and everything about your body doesn't connect with your mind then you're trans.
Neat, so you agree trans people with AGP are trans.

>This AGP shit is just creepy and gross.
I agree, and wish it wasn't a thing. A lot of people are stuck with it though.

I know you're trying to bait but maybe you can use this opportunity to learn something. As I've said before this fetish rarely survives the process of transitioning yet ex-AGPs generally don't detransition. They largely report being happier and more fulfilled. Why would that be the case if their supposed reason for transitioning was taken away from them?

>>8220104
>I agree, and wish it wasn't a thing.
not her but why?

>>8220569
Well, not a thing for trans people. Cis people who like and enjoy it are welcome to enjoy it just like they're welcome to enjoy any other fetish. For us I feel like it is embarrassing and confusing. A barrier to realizing what you are.

>>8220596
just don't be embarrassed and realize who you are anyway and enjoy it?

>>8220612
I just really don't like it and find it emotionally invalidating.

>>8220696
>emotionally invalidating
why?

some do like it.

How do I know if I'm some AGP porn addicted fetishist or a tranny.

>>8220768
Define tranny.

>>8220768
Do you experience dysphoria?
Do you want to be a woman in a non-sexual way?
Are you happy with your life?
Why do you suspect you're not cis?

Anyhow, it's worth asking this in /mtfg/ too.

>>8220773
Transgender

>>8220794
Never really understood dysphoria. I'm a pretty good looking guy so I can't really complain about my body image. I never disliked any part of my body or doing manly things like how others seem to describe it.

I think I would prefer life as a women, but I don't think my lifestyle would change drastically. I'd like to keep my friends/family, but feel that transitioning would disappoint my family and alienate my friends.

Sometimes I'm happy or motivated, but usually I'm just numb. I'm not sure where I'm going or what I'm doing with my life. I feel like I can do anything, but I'm just lazy/don't care. I think I just need something to care about.

I'm attracted to women in real life, but when I look at porn I prefer forced sissy/femboy stuff like trapquest over women. I'm also attracted to dicks, but repulsed by masculine faces, especially beards.

>>8222552
>I think I would prefer life as a woman
Why?

>>8222552
youre a depressed fetishit looking for a way out

just accept your sexuality and look for someone who could help you explore it in real life. having unexplored fetishes for an entire lifetime can be taxating and unfulfilling in the long run

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Friendly reminder to be good girls and take your pills today!

>>8222713
Thanks Anon.

>>8222713
but moap, what about my libido

>>8222735
>implying orgasms don't get much more intense on hormones especially when you smell your female pheromones

>>8222585
No pressure to be manly/assertive, better clothes/fashion, more gibs, being weird is cute rather than creepy, most women I see suck at being women and I could do a better job if I was born a girl.

>>8222606
I basically explore my fetish every time I masturbate. Your suggestion has led me to this unfulfilled and numb state.

For years I used to just fap to tg caps, happily living my life.

That was until I saw a shit post on horomones. It never occurred to me this stuff was real and it really set off my kink. I always thought trannies/traps were just boys dressed as girls like in Anime. I haven't been able to get it off my mind since. The idea of growing breasts and getting girly is just too much. My fetish is probably spiraling out of control thanks to including in this fetish, not lessening it.

>>8223000
yeah hrt barely decreased my libido at all. I have a harder time orgasming and erections aren't quite the same but my orgasms are way way more intense plus I like the fact that now I have actual nipple sensitivity.

>>8222552
Define transgender...

>>8222552
>>8223078
>Never really understood dysphoria. I'm a pretty good looking guy so I can't really complain about my body image. I never disliked any part of my body or doing manly things like how others seem to describe it.
>No pressure to be manly/assertive, better clothes/fashion, more gibs, being weird is cute rather than creepy, most women I see suck at being women and I could do a better job if I was born a girl.
t b h you don't sound trans to me but I'm not all-seeing, all-knowing and could be wrong. There's nothing wrong with liking what you like but as it doesn't sound like any sort of dysphoria transitioning might be a bad idea. I suggest that you go see a therapist either way.

I have discovered that in trying to indulge this shit in my waning youth and get it out of my system I have just been hardwiring it...

>>8224794
How do you know you wouldn't feel just the same or worse if you'd repressed?

>>8224903
Oh, I already know I get fucking furious when I have to repress for a long time. But in indulging it I do equally destructive things like buy and hoard an ass ton of girl clothes. One way or the other I pay a price for not being normal.

>>8225146
>destructive things
>like buying hot clothes
What did she mean by this?

>>8225170
Destructive to my bank balance and addiction-forming.

>>8225195
You just need more self-control sweetie. Set yourself a budget for hot things, rotate through them so you can revisit nice garments you haven't worn for a while instead of buying new, flirt with guys online and have an amazon wishlist to get gifted clothes, etc.

>>8225214
What's worse is my taste isn't for fancy lacy stuff. My wardrobe is that of a broke college girl or teenager.

>>8225240
>My wardrobe is that of a broke college girl or teenager.
Fitting!

Anyone here crossplays as a vent for AGP? I feel i really would enjoy it, my country would prolly hate me tho and i have no friends

>>8225214
>flirt with guys online
I've dabbled in the camming thing too, but I've never asked for money or gifts, I guess because I feel like it would kill the immersion of just being a slut for its own sake. Suddenly you're a performer and not just an insatiable slut.

I think I'd rather meet someone in person, but I'd also be scared of literally everything that entails.

>tfw you just got turned on by looking at a cock in a non-meta way
am I.. am I not truAGP?

>>8226467
was it a girl's cock? if so it was gynemimetophilia which is still agp

>>8226501
Nah. Just an erect cock penetrating a girl. I thought I only experienced meta-attraction to men until now* so I definitely know how meta-attraction feels like. I didn't project myself on the girl like I so often do. I know you'll probably say I did so subconsciously but it definitely felt different and to the best of my knowledge (and I have a lifetime of experience doing this) I didn't project.

*I can only recall one previous incident where I was turned on by a man in this fashion with no meta prompting. Watching my muscular male friend remove his shirt in the locker room. That was some 10 years ago though.

>>8226533
>I know you'll probably say I did so subconsciously
calling me out :')
really though, i was shitposting on the fembenis bit but long-term meta-attraction generally just ends up looking like...attraction, much as how agp after transition is less florid because when you're a girl all the time it's not as immediate a thrill
you can see, for example, this meta-attraction story:
http://annierichards.com/mysexuality.htm
the woman who wrote it certainly ended up experiencing attraction towards men that didn't involve her projecting herself as a woman, but you can see it's still meta-attraction

>>8226560
I'm not even on HRT though.

>>8226721
hrt is not the determinant of apparent orientation, that's a meme

>>8226728
His argument was transition-related.

>>8206029
I might be getting my makeup done with a friend tomorrow, can y'all give me advice?

>>8226760
How to not get boners?

Wow. I have no idea how one could be so obsessed with what they masturbate to. It's just masturbation. People get off to all sorts of shit, including dog people and toddlers with giant boobs. How much must you dislike your life to pour this much of yourself into obsessing over what gets your dick hard?

I mean, I like to imagine myself as the opposite sex often enough when I'm getting off, but that's just masturbation. It has no bearing on reality unless you make it into your reality through obsessing over it. This is a nest of escapism.

>>8215592
Why are you even focusing on this stuff when there are so many other, more pressing issues in your life? Get your shit together before you even begin to think about dating. That's like, the most basic of basic advice.

>>8219439
This is some meta trolling. Victims in scare quotes and calling them unreasonable when there's a psychotic man grooming them for their skin.

If you were a smart meta troll you'd turn this around on me and say that I'm going to make self identified AGPs feel persecuted which will only cause them to dig their heels in deeper.

>>8226944
Says the person who is neither gender dysphoric nor addicted. Do you really think everyone here is willingly obsessing over it, and they could just stop worrying if they tried? What you're doing is like asking alcoholics with an extensive web of reasons for drinking why they don't just stop, since you have a few beers with your friends every now and then and are totally fine.

Sexual fetishes can get really disruptive to your life. For example:
>it's the only thing you get off to and you can't enjoy a vanilla relationship
>you're hypersexual and need to indulge constantly
>it fucks with your identity, which imagining yourself as the opposite sex so extensively tends to do (keep in mind that a lot of AGPs build up a whole female persona)
>you're struggling with guilt over having the fetish (and enjoying it on some level)
>you're using it as escapism from real life in some way (in the case of AGP it can be to escape gender dysphoria)

And keep in mind that AGP is often comorbid with transsexualism so half the posters here either know they're trans or are struggling to work it out, and either way dealing with a lot of shit which AGP is involved in. Also, almost invariably the presence of AGP leads to denial and repression of the comorbid transsexualism (both for personal reasons and because society at large is *not* ready for AGP and would ostracisie you if you ever admitted it, trans or not) at first, as if things weren't complicated enough.

>>8227014
I'm actually 4 years an alcoholic and just recently dropped down to drinking a couple beers three nights a week after months of tapering. Thanks for the assumption, though.

So basically, escapism and self control issues. Ok. Got it. Society not ready? Move to any liberal city or town. It's pretty normal for young adults to be self obsessed and questioning, but this shit is unhealthy without at least a developing sense of self awareness. It's so, so easy to take negative emotions and dump them into the first viable outlet, then justify it afterwards. If you're not self aware, it's easy to get sucked up into that and end up losing sight of the other sources of your distress, hyper focused on just one issue. Like the people who get into PETA or identify with political meme balls.

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What is it that causes "the gay hypnosis". I do not know what else to call it because right now I am just now coming back out of it and my brain is operating on an efficiency level.

I was straight my whooole life, yep. Not homophobic at all in fact I enjoyed the different vibe gay people brought. But in just a few years I have gone from straight to fucking woman. WHAT IS THIS MAGIC.

I literally did not have basically any gay thoughts except very, very occasional curiosities ( not sexual curiosities, like legit "I wonder why gay people do that" curiosities ) until like age 20. Then I found crossdressing.

Age 20, a few gay/crossdressing thoughts.
21, quite a few more.
22-23 ALL THE TIME, REPRESSION
24 come out as gay, it's just too much. Tell ppl I wasn't gay before afaik but it's definitely happened now, there's no turning back for a long time
25 and the gay isn't increasing as fast but it's still lightspeed.

I am having way too much fun, but I legit wonder how this change has such power over me and if it's just because I actually am prone to it.. or is it some kind of power? Brought about by a combo of where society is right now, versus the original human brain..? Maybe.

I guess that about sums it up.

>>8227101

/personalblog

Maybe it is that I have so developed a continuous identity for each of my parents that I can now choose male and female as I wish. Eventually I will inevitably go overboard in one ( probably female as it is the "soft, giving way" energy ) and will struggle ( though not in suffering ) to come back to being in control enough to make the decision.

You can see it in Prince's later days, as he became too female. In this video, for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mdRch7OrEY

>>8226944
Hey broseph, looks like you missed a few posts:
>>8219601
>>8219898
>>8220104

>>8227101
>what causes the "gay hypnosis"

I'm p sure it's just that guys are hot and if u look at them long enough eventually u will want to succ

>>8226984
>when there's a man grooming them for their skin
You mean a woman.

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>>8235734
wait i don't have discord but i don't want to miss out on advice and thoughts

>>8235739
I just made this channel. I need some people to join as admin to help it grow.

>>8235803
There is already an agpg discord

>>8226560
meta-attraction becomes real attraction?

>>8235836
Can you give me the invite link?

>>8206489
according to blanchard it's literally impossible for """gay""" people to have AGP

>>8235929
no, it just becomes sufficiently advanced

>>8237040
What if it's still bi but for social purposes it's gay. Like I have fapped to straight porn but in real life only have had sex and relationships with guys. In general I have no plans to get with girls, it wouldn't even adequately satisfy an agp fetish revolving around getting with guys (most tg erotica inevitably ends up in gay sex, which I think is often the main focus of stories)

>>8237045
>It becomes indistinguishable but trust me it's the same my familia

>>8236977
discord.gg/A8aZNQG

>>8220696
This. AGP is only good for those with a sissy fetish. I've always been ashamed for wanting breasts and female puberty. Even at 8 I thought I was a sick pervert. It gave me my first boner and very complicated feelings at the same time. No one needed to give any backlash: boys shouldn't feel that way.

>>8238214
Have you tried not feeling ashamed?

>boys shouldn't feel that way.
Because you aren't a boy.

>>8238252
AGP is borne from shame, it's not surprising we feel it.
If I weren't so goddamn ashamed maybe I would have stood a chance

>>8239190
Why did you end up ashamed of being a girl?

>>8239192
Because I was a boy and boys aren't supposed to want to be girls or do girl stuff and so you are never to tell anyone about it

>>8239199
Other trans girls managed to not feel ashamed while they were boys.

>>8239209
Because they were less introverted and neurotic? You're just saying how people are different which I accept

>>8239199
Fuck, I can relate to this so much. Even as a kid I knew this deeply. I even bought into misogyny back then.

>>8239238
Seriously it's so fucked up that we had to go without medical treatment for decades because of not being loud and argumentative enough. No knowledge, no testing, no information

>>8239238
>I even bought into misogyny back then.
What misogyny?

>>8241611
Just generic bullshit about how being a boy is so much better.

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>>8239199
you can be a fem guy
and cd's seem to do ok

>>8242799
not sure what you're getting at

>>8242803
>>8239199
>boys aren't supposed to want to be girls or do girl stuff

you can be a guy who does the above without going full tranny

>>8242807
???
She said she's trans, and that this kept her from realizing it at the time.

>>8242807
and you're saying I was supposed to internalize this concept as a child and then realize that no i can in fact say I want to be a girl?

>>8206029
>>8238214
>>8227101
>>8227014
>>8226347
>>8223607
>>8222552

Im 25. I've been on hrt for 4 months now. I know im AGP and i feel guilty about it. I really want to live a normal life, marrying a wife and having children. But im afraid that if I try to repress that way, I would end up like bruce Jenner. I know im late for transitioning at 25 but at least I wont be like bruce jenner honster. I never had a gf or had sex with a women and I know AGP is an erotic target error. I only tried sex with a guy. Am I really making a right choice to continue transitioning without trying to have a gf or marrying a wife and having children to repress filthy AGP feelings? btw, I don't even have severe dysphoria like HSTS do.

>>8242916
Do you think you could be happy if you stayed as you are?
You said your dysphoria is not as severe - that means you do experience it, right? Do you think it would go away if you ignored it?
If not, what other options do you have?

>erotic target error
All of that is unconfirmed. We're really not sure what's going on.

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>>8242934
I get triggered everytime I see a cis girl or early transitioner out of jealousy.
I keep fantasizing about having a female body and i hate my manly look in the mirror.
I want to be manhandled, treated like a women, etc all because it's erotic to me as a filthy AGP. Being on HRT and looking fem made me happy without sexual tensions. I am obessed with these thoughts and they are affecting me in everyday life to function as a normal cis straight male. I feel guilty and degenerate to give up my parents and everything in life for this fetish but I feel like I must make a choice now unless I want to be a bruce jenner when im older.

>>8242951
>that post
>I don't even have severe dysphoria
what did she mean by this

>>8242955
I am not suicidal but it affects my day to day life.

>>8242951
If you could have your ideal female body but people still thought of you and treated you as a male, would that be fine? Why or why not?

>happy without sexual tensions
Mind expounding on that?

>>8242981
I want to be treated as female because I want to be accepted as a girl socially as well.

The arousal part of transitioning has faded away as time went by. What remains is dysphoria and wanting to socially and physically transition despite the fact that it cost me everything else in life.

>>8243259
You sound very, very trans. You've made the right call by transitioning. Stick to it. Good luck.

>>8243674
I told my parents that im AGP. They think its an obession because of autism and maybe its a phase if I could focus on something else other than gender dysphoria. sigh. I really am confused. thanks for your opinion tho.

>>8243674
>You've made the right call by transitioning.
She said she's on HRT but also that she has to make a choice now, so it doesn't sound like she's entirely chosen transition yet.

>>8243709
>I told my parents that im AGP.
How did that go?

>>8243709
>I told my parents that im AGP
Okay I didn't want to bring this up because your exact belief structure isn't exactly relevant to whether you should transition or not but the idea that AGP causes you to be trans rather than the other way around has not been shown to be true. It is an hypothesis. That you're AGP is only relevant insofar that it makes you feel how you do. You're still trans in the same way as non-AGPs and that you're AGP is not anyone else's business. Normies never get shit like this. Don't feel obliged to share stuff like that.

I hope the above won't make you discard the rest of what I've said. Even if I'm wrong about this I hope you still go through with it because I'm not wrong about you being trans.

>I really am confused. thanks for your opinion tho.
Glad to help. I really really hope that you stay on HRT and keep going down this road.

>>8243714
Fair. HRT is at least something though.

>>8243723
They think that I created my own hypotethical female idenity because of autism and erotic target error. They believe that they can help me fix this by believing in God or finding "new obsession" other than my gender. IDK if i should give it a chance. Otherwise, they said they will disown me and never talk to me again if I continue hrt. Only if I was HSTS, I would be so sure about transitioning. It sucks to be AGP and unable to make a decision till 25. Besides, im 25 so I won't be passable anyways.. Will I be happy in a boymode while on HRT or will I be happy as a twinkhon? Its something to think about.

>>8243754
Why did you tell them about AGP instead of just saying you were trans?

>Will I be happy in a boymode while on HRT or will I be happy as a twinkhon?
Try to imagine life like that. Does it feel good enough or still lacking in important ways?

>>8243776
>Why did you tell them about AGP instead of just saying you were trans?
My parents knew that I wasn't naturally fem like HSTS growing up and they kept saying that I don't act like trans. so I told them that Im AGP.
Even boymode while on HRT seems better than no hrt for now. I want to be at least more fem even in boymode.

>>8243791
No matter what you think of blanchard's typology, telling your parents that you are AGP is possibly one of the most retarded things you could tell.

>>8243859
Depends how understanding they are.

>>8243 791
>don't act like trans
Clearly they are experts.

>>8243906
Parents that will disown you for being trans at all are hardly going to be understanding of you being AGP. Even most accepting people are going to fail to understand it, and a large proportion of those people are also going to be disgusted or otherwise uncomfortable with it.

Transphobes often already think being trans is just a fetish or something anyway, so "confirming" that (even though that's not what AGP actually is) is possibly the worst thing you can do to make yourself seem valid.

>>8243709
>They think its an obession because of autism and maybe its a phase if I could focus on something else other than gender dysphoria.

>>8243791
>My parents knew that I wasn't naturally fem like HSTS growing up and they kept saying that I don't act like trans.

My parents said the same things to me. And honestly they sort of had a point since I never even had dysphoria until pretty late. The thing is, even if I did I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have thought any differently; they weren't looking for dysphoria. Most people are incredibly poorly informed about transsexualism, and think they can diagnose you based on stereotypes such as acting feminine as a child or talking about how you're "a woman trapped in a man's body", when reality is far far more nuanced than that, and also diagnosis is based on *dysphoria* and not the superficial stuff. On top of that, most parents are in denial about their kids being trans and will look for any possible excuse to invalidate them. Even the trans people themselves often do this for years before coming to terms with it.

Keep in mind that with few exceptions, everyone who isn't trans is has undergone literally hundreds of times less thought and education about being trans than you have. They won't understand. If you're lucky or if you painstakingly explain everything to them, they might accept you or sort of understand, and will at least let you be. If it takes years to come to terms with it yourself, how long can you expect it to take them?

Whatever you do, don't stop transitioning because of them. Deceive them if you have to (while working to emancipate yourself), but despite what they may think from their status as your parents, they really don't know enough about your situation or how transsexualism/AGP works as a whole to make informed decisions in your best interests.

>>8244115
>and also diagnosis is based on *dysphoria* and not the superficial stuff.
Then why are people so obsessed with the superficial stuff?

>when you pretend to be a girl online and everyone loves you


also hi, havent been here since since '16, repressing hard

>>8253210
Welcome back
Why aren't you taking your meds? It's not healthy to leave medical conditions untreated

If I choose to repress AGP. Is there a way to relieve AGP sexual feelings without HRT? I can't have sex with women out of dysphoria and I want to be dicked by men in girl mode. Would I be able to find a partner who would understand this?

>>8253262
my meds is alcohol and escapism

>>8253665
>>8253414
Take your meds young ladies.

>>8253414
>s there a way to relieve AGP sexual feelings without HRT?
Yes just take a low dose of spirolactone to block testosterone, that will dramaticly decrease the sexual urges. You don't need to add estrogen to the mix to stop agp.

That is the cure for agp, the only downside is your sperm might go poof and you might have some breast tenderness but without estrogen in the mix it's unlikely.

>>8253758
just zap me, Mike

>>8253817
Don't you kind of need T or E to function properly? Isn't that a significant mood/health risk having neither?

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>>8254132
they just want to kill you

>>8217065
that's unheard of...cypro dosage?

>>8255319
50mg, with 4mg oestradiol hemihydrate. I've been on it for 6-7 months now, and I was on spiro with 2mg oestradiol for 3-4 months before that.

Is it really unheard of? I get the feeling people overaxagerrate or generalise the effects from a few anecdotes and it spreads that way; it really shouldn't be able to kill all erections for everybody. My serum testosterone was 1.5nM/dL last time I checked a few months ago (and it would only have reduced since then), and my testicles have visibly atrophied a little, so it's not like it's not working to reduce testosterone. Like I said, I always got erections easily so whatever's going on with that is probably making things worse now.

>>8256143
>overaxagerrate
*Overexaggerate. Really fucked up the spelling there.

>>8250701
Because people are dumb, mostly.

That stuff is less abstract: girls play with girl toys so if you want to be female you must do stuff like that too. There's a clear connection between the action and the wanting to be the opposite sex. It's harder to see the complex and abstract things like depression and discomfort or aspects of one's identity, and then harder to see the connection with the desire to transition. That's especially true when the individual in question might not even really understand those things themselves or is actively trying to hide them.

Also, media tends to focus on that stuff for the same reasons, though it's getting better. Even many trans people have no idea being trans actually involves dysphoria for a while, since the media seems to focus on transvestites and drag queens (or hons), and when they do attempt to explain what being trans actually is they tend to spread the stereotypical narratives which don't apply to many trans people at all or else focus on certain things (like SRS and social transition) while ignoring or glossing over others.

Denial comes into it too. Superficial stuff by its very nature isn't going to apply particularly universally. All trans people are going to have dysphoria (though it depends on your definition of "trans", but leave that aside for now), but many of them aren't going to have played with dolls as children or whatever. It gives them something to latch on to which they can interpret as invalidating the transsexualism.

There's more to it of course, and I'm oversimplifying. That's just what comes to my mind.

>>8256193
When I was young I thought it was normal to cry over your body as you went through puberty, or wish to be a girl and it seems really stupid in hindsight. So I just kept quiet, because I felt ashamed or selfish. I really wish things like this were more understood in general.

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If cis women imagine themselves as women in sexual situations its normal, but if trans do it its agp. So a tran being like a cis woman is agp. True trans = agp confirmed.

>>8206029
Is it possible to be AFAB and still have AGP? Because I think I have that. I've had dysphoria, and hated the fact that I was short, had breasts, had a high voice, etc. I thought I would be happier as a male.
But now that I have a (internet) boyfriend I want to dress feminine, look feminine, and be treated like a woman more than I ever have. I get a thrill at the idea of being submissive. How degenerate is this?

>>8259163
You're not the first AFAB to report AGP. It often seems to be FtMs.

Are you attracted to girls too? Describe the AGP more please, and how it's different from what you're normally like?

>>8259232
I am a bisexual with a preference for men. I fap to art of women and like drawing cute girls, but don't actually want to have sex with a woman. I want to physically be with a man, my attraction to them is more powerful.

I dress in an androgynous way, but I don't pass because I'm too short.

Being with a man decreases my desire to become one myself. Like the Greek myth that said that humans were all hermaphrodites until the gods broke them apart, so they seek each other out to become whole again.

When I'm with a man I feel comfortable enough to express a feminine side but I don't normally identify with.

>>8259361
>Being with a man decreases my desire to become one myself.
This is like a reverse of a classic AGP thing of being less dysphoric when they are with a girl.

Do you feel any AAP arousal at the thought of being male?

What do you mean you physically want to be with a man? Do you find women more visually attractive?

What is it that makes you more comfortable being feminine when you're with a man? Describe the thrill of being feminine when you are with one some more. Is it just about being submissive or are the dressing, looking and being treated as a woman also arousing?

>>8259394
I would be more comfortable as male in every aspect except for sexually.
I can't imagine myself as biologically male and fucking a woman, it doesn't get me off. But I wouldn't want to be seen as a gay man.

Being with a man just feels more right, mostly because I don't have a penis and I feel that it's not really sex if there's no penetration.

I try very hard to be an independent person, but I secretly love the idea of being treated like a princess and waited on, of just being able to lie there and be pleasured. I'm insecure about being small and delicate, so I kind of like the idea of someone being attracted to me because of those things.

I think a lot of it has to do with the way that our society treats the very idea of being a woman as inherently sexual, there's also a bit of humiliation involved because of the idea that feminine things are lesser than masculine ones.

>>8259528
Shit you're basically like a cis agp in a female body

>>8259528
Humiliation and feeling lesser are super common for AGPs.

You're an interesting case. Check back on this thread tomorrow and more posters might have input too.

>>8259559
Clearly she needs to transition to male, live for like 20 years in horrible depression with agp fantasies, then transition into a hon.

>>8259559
The dream, eh? But that discomfort for being male non-sexually without a boyfriend...

>>8259585
This, it's her path in life

>>8259559
I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude

>>8260224
dude...

>>8259163
t b h I always thought AGP was a fetish so it makes sense that you could have it as an FTM.

How do I "try out" crossdressing?
Lingerie is expensive yo.

>>8261679
Just buy generic panty packs.
https://www.amazon.com/KUKOME-Womens-Hipster-Briefs-Panties/dp/B01DG9C6E4/ref=sr_1_12?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1482703535&sr=1-12&nodeID=7141123011&keywords=panties&th=1&psc=1

>>8261679
You can get it pretty cheap from the right stores. Search amazon by price.

>>8261687
That's not lingerie.

>>8264761
Why do you need lingerie

I went from trying on my sister's panties, to wearing whole outfits, to buying wigs and makeup, to now taking herbal estrogen and thinking about taking actual estrogen...

How the fuck did a fetish for women's clothing cause this? my sexuality has been conditioning the fuck out of me and its all going too far.

>>8270044
The Blanchardian explanation is that the clothing part is secondary to the underlying sexuality, which is like a straight male sexuality but with yourself in the place of the girl. So everything a straight guy likes about a girl, you like about yourself, from clothes to body.

>>8270098
It started only with clothes though, it took years from it going from there to somewhat sexualizing the female body as a ramification of the first.

>>8270231
What was your sexuality like before the female body was involved?

>>8270264
I remember liking being forced to dress like a girl by women at school was a big fantasy i had, my mother or sister doing it was one too. Obviously also the raw arousal of dressing up was another thing, like simply puting on a skirt would get me off (it still does) but then as time went on it got more arousing to go 100% and look at a girl in the mirror. Another fantasy i had was watching cartoons like sailor moon or totally spies because i used to think only a girl would watch them and then it was like i was acting like one, i didnt genuinely enjoy them though. I would also sexualize being around a lot of women, like if i had to do a group homework and i happened to be the lone guy in a group of 5, id get off to that too.

Weird shit indeed.

you can easily hide hormone boobs they said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z1UuTkD4bc

>>8270401
What age were you when these things happened?

That still all fits with your orientation wanting you to be your own ideal girl. Just like a straight boy could like the company of girls before liking their bodies, you liked making yourself a girl before the thought of giving yourself a girl body.

>>8270499
started at around age 10 id say

>>8270436
the fuck is this lmao

>>8270436
ya I wear a jacket every day, shirts are a no go

>>8270436
In reality it would be more like "ew you've got disgusting tits get away from me you freak" then she'd go grab Chad to beat the shit out of you and he'll cop a few coneboob feels as you lie there dying

>>8217065
ive been taking cypro for like a few weeks and have zero erections that are not personally induced by choice

>>8219898
is it creepy for women to be lesbians and hit on other women who arent

is it weird and wrong that i was cornered many times for being fem and almost raped by gay men

because i was blamed for it as if i was asking for it... so if "transbians" creep you out i guess its just natural for you to not generalize that many people are gay for convenience or are gay and give off rape vibes all the same as "transbians." i dont really have a horse in the race, im just not picky about partners out of desperation, so don't care if theyre male or female just as long as they love me. transbians seem to be oversexed, and some are really passable and abusive and often prefer other transwomen which is by and far the creepiest pedigree of transbian (trans on trans is almost like incest in my mind unless it seems pure and lvoing and not mainly sexual i guess)

i dont like the agp shit either and used to buy into this stupid agp blanchard garbage, lets be honest, theyre all trans and self hating because if you feel like a woman then you will have agp sexual fantasies and trying to explain away why youre not trans as "its just a fetish" is silly and bad for you. i cried in front of therapist (when i still went) and was assured that thinking its only X when the real problem-
the one that doesnt just go away easily at the end of the day- is transgender dysphoria... it, agp, is projection and self deception you do to protect yourself from feeling effeminate or needing transition because repression is easier than being truthful

>>8272585
>if you feel like a woman then you will have agp sexual fantasies
Why does feeling like a woman mean you find the idea of being female arousing?

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Oh, I didn't know this was a thing. I suppose it does explain why I like getting tarted up but never really had an interest in transitioning. The way I always reasoned it was women's fashion had so much more scope.

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Join official AGP discord
https://discord.gg/F2wu7hx

>>8273005
>join a filtered down community of people with mental illness to the one truly mentally deficient, the ones who use discord

>>8273005
This is not the "official" discord, just some spammer

>>8273131
>>8274701
Discord is chill, dont be party poopers

>>8275713
Can someone who's visited it say what it's like?

original (official) AGP discord
https://discord.gg/A8aZNQG

>>8281503
Can someone who's visited it say what it's like?

>>8281545
its dead as fuck but people are nice

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I think it's a shame there is so much controversy around this. Because this is honestly a pretty incredible text. A lot of this book really hit home for me. And Lawrence just has this crazy ability to be super logical about everything.

>>8283235
>And Lawrence just has this crazy ability to be super logical about everything.
Thank heavens she wasn't a cis woman or an HSTS, huh?

>>8283235
>>8283235
yeah it's a pretty good book. makes me really sad though

>>8283235
What's so bad about the book? Didn't the author acknowledge that agp people should transition?

>>8283235
I actually couldn't relate to this book very much, and I'm gynephilic.

>>8283849
>makes me really sad though
Like Lawrence. Why?

>>8283879
It pushes the same
>btw AGP causes dysphoria and is the source of your wish to transition my senpai ;^)
Blanchard-adjacent works tend to

>>8284245
God forbid someone publishes anything which doesn't follow your beliefs.

>>8284273
Someone asked what's controversial about the book. I answered.

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>>8284287

>>8284245
Aren't Blanchard's idea still well accepted by psychologists? His work continues to be cited even by pro-trans psychiatrists and psychologists. Plus his work doesn't seem to have ever led to any major backlash against trans people other than by transsexuals themselves. In the research world his work was cited tons of times in 2016 so it's obviously still being used

>>8242916
Just lonely and trying to find a way to express it. Dude, work on your physical and social fitness.

>>8284495
He helped write the DSM-5.

>>8284495
See below. His work is primarily cited by mavericks.

>>8284525
He was part of the workgroup. Nothing about his transsexual typology ended up making it into the DSM-5. If his views were accepted they would be present in the diagnostic manual, especially since they speak of different etiologies which lead to differences in the diagnostic process.

The section regarding GID (now Gender Dysphoria) makes absolutely no mention of the typology or autogynephilia as a cause for transsexualism, which it absolutely would if the consensus was in its favor.

WPATH SoC, the other major document on transsexual health care, similarly dismissed the typology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

>The DSM-5 Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders workgroup, of which Blanchard is a member, has said:
>In contemporary clinical practice, sexual orientation per se plays only a minor role in treatment protocols or decisions. Also, changes as to the preferred gender of sex partner occur during or after treatment (DeCuypere, Janes, & Rubens, 2005; Lawrence, 2005; Schroder & Carroll, 1999). It can be difficult to assess sexual orientation in individuals with a GI diagnosis, as they preoperatively might give incorrect information in order to be approved for hormonal and surgical treatment (Lawrence, 1999). Because sexual orientation subtyping is of interest to researchers in the field, it is recommended that reference to it be addressed in the text, but not as a specifier. It should also be assessed as a dimensional construct.

>Blanchard's ideas about trans women have also been rejected by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), the largest association of medical professionals who provides care for transgender people, as lacking empirical evidence and for stigmatizing behavior instead of focusing on treating distress.

>>8284495
>>8284525
>>8284632
The DSM-5 only ever cited Autogynephilia as a subtype of the Transvestic Disorder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%27s_transsexualism_typology
>In DSM-5, published in 2013, With autogynephilia (sexual arousal by thoughts, images of self as a female) is a specifier to 302.3 Transvestic disorder (intense sexual arousal from cross-dressing fantasies, urges or behaviors); the other specifier is With fetishism (sexual arousal to fabrics, materials or garments)

You can believe him instead of the establishment but don't pretend like the establishment has not thoroughly rejected him at this point. The consensus is cleanly against the typology.

>>8284632
>The section regarding GID (now Gender Dysphoria) makes absolutely no mention of the typology or autogynephilia as a cause for transsexualism,
Link? I've tried to find the trans related parts online but never succeeded.

>>8284646
Pirate the PDF and CTRL+F Gender Dysphoria.
If you're willing to trust Wikipedia it says something similar here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#Diagnosis

>>8284632
How do they "officially" talk about agp fantasies then without talking about Blanchard? Cause like there's tons of evidence showing autogynephilia is a real thing. Like agp erotica is everywhere

>>8284686
Autogynephilia, as a paraphilia, is absolutely real. I wouldn't ever dare deny this. It's even listed in the DSM-5 as specified here.
>>8284637

Autogynephilia as a sexual orientation, or as a cause for gender dysphoria, is disputed. Blanchard has shown beyond doubt that there is a correlation between having autogynephilia and being a transsexual and this is accepted. That it causes transsexuality has not been demonstrated and so isn't accepted.

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any level headed people here who do not try to justify their mental illness by dwelling in pseudo science and pseudo science personalities?

>not on skittles
>always thinking about transition
>take skittles
>transition urges leave me
>stop taking skittles
repeat ad infinitum
getting kinda tired of this

>>8285252
The scientific community doesn't think having AGP makes you any less trans if you experience dysphoria mein fampai. There is a broad agreement that the best way to treat gender dysphoria is via transitioning.

>>8285272
I don't have dysphoria
at least not to the degree that certified trannies describe it

coming off smack was hard, the hardest thing I've ever been through
nothing even comes close, certainly not the piece of meat between my legs

>>8285267
Do you experience gender dysphoria?

>>8285275
>at least not to the degree that certified trannies describe it
What do you mean by that? What DO you experience?

>>8285282
desire of that I don't have

it doesn't keep me awake at night
it doesn't rattle through my brain 24/7
but every so often I'll be reminded of it

>>8285287
How often do you feel this way? Do these feelings come in waves? Are you generally happy when you don't feel this way? Do these feelings cause you anxiety or anguish?

>>8284700
>Autogynephilia, as a paraphilia, is absolutely real.
AGP is not a paraphilia.

Who else here has autosinophilia?

>>8288426
Not sino specifically but basically Yes

>>8285267

Stop being an idiot and stop stop taking them. Goddamn retard. Do you think decide it turns out you don't need water to live after all so you stop drinking it after you just drank some?

>>8288478
Autoasianophilia would be a more general term then.

>>8272523

A-at least I was attractive enough to Chad for him to cop a feel... I would wonder why he couldn't just leave her and love me instead though...

>>8288572
I thought this too t b h but I wanted to put it more gently

I want to wear a fancy dress and heels but I'd only look like a disgusting laughable hon
so fuck that Ill go on being a disgusting man, at least its socially normal
time to get drunk and fall asleep

>>8289735
sorry anon

>>8284700
"Autogynephilia" in the DSM isn't autogynephilia.

>>8295820
It is the medically recognized form of it - that of a fetish.

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I used to think I like feminine things and thought I had AGO and should transition. Then I became an atheist and came to believe it's important to argue with people, and I began to hate women for being stupid enough to stay religious.

I have more masculine values now and it would be harder to transition than before I turned atheist.

>>8296164
AGP*

>>8296164
>not being a woman with masculine values to share with your boyfriend

>>8289735
you can't be that disgusting as a man
https://youtu.be/K05BOu06mSI?t=6m43s

>AGP should transition
but why

>>8296823
They are propagandists, don't chop off the gift that keeps you mentally grounded.

>>8296820
its all too subjective anyway

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>>8296820
damnit im gonna be a hon like them

>>8296823
Trans people should transition because they have dysphoria, and some trans people have AGP.

>>8296164
You can hate women and still be one.

>>8302805
Isn't that the norm among women?