Anyone else repress for so long they think it's better to

>>8197520
Be my gf pls, I can help you transition if you cuddle with me.

>>8197520
Please be a good girl and take your pills. 24 is better than 34. At least you won't go bald or grow back hair.

>>8197524
Thanks but I wouldn't want to be a burden to anyone else.

>>8197526
You're probably right but I just waited so long I feel like it's impossible at this point. I wish I could go back to being 16 and just transition then.

>>8197553
how did you change between then and now

>>8197553
>I wish I could go back to being 16 and just transition then.

Join the club. I just don't want to see someone keep delaying because they think it's too late while their body just gets more and more masculine.

>>8197559
I changed a decent amount to be honest. I used to have a baby face now I undoubtedly see a man face in the mirror.

>>8197584
Don't changes stop happening around my age anyways?

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>>8197526
>Please be a good girl and take your pills
>tfw you're a good girl who takes her pills
This meme makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

>>8197584
Seconded, I wish I had started HRT sooner but I don't regret starting when I did.

>>8197553
>Thanks but I wouldn't want to be a burden to anyone else

Cuddling isn't a burden anon. Can we atleast talk :) ?

>>8197622
>Don't changes stop happening around my age anyways?
They'll have slowed down considerably, yes. But not necessarily all the way. You'll probably still get soft skin and some small breasts and female-patterned fat distribution. The biggest benefit for your age is that you're not going to age like a man. No male pattern baldness or further beard/body hair growth.

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>>8197622
>Don't changes stop happening around my age anyways?

Testosterone peaks at age 35

>>8197709
This is pretty much what drove me crazy. I barely had anything happen during puberty and like 95% of my body changes started happening in my early 20's and it freaked me out.

>>8197747
Which changes happened?

>>8197775
I weirdly started developing pectus excavatum and my rib cage really started expanding. Like it's not horribly bad but my entire midsection lost whatever curviness I sort of had despite being a guy. Plus I had like no body hair until I was like 18/19 and then it just exploded and my legs and ass are basically chewbacca tier now....

>>8197747
This actually happened to me too. I looked pretty andro to the point my friends would say I looked like a dyke. Then in my early 20's I just started to look like a man unfortunately.

>>8197622
>Don't changes stop happening around my age anyways?
Get a picture of your dad from when he was 24, does he still look the same?
Your body will change until the day you die, only question is will it be under the influence of T or E?

I have similar fears, OP. I'm nearly six feet tall, around 220 pounds (not that overweight, just that built) with broad shoulders and a broad chest, and a deep voice. I have to wonder, is it better that only I see myself as a freak, or try for a body I still won't be happy with that every honest person would think was awful?

But, I don't know what you look like. Maybe you'd have luck.

>>8197520
You can just take the pills without doing the social stuff.
I won't be able to do any of that for a while, if at all, and they really help me remain calm and emotionally stable in the meanwhile.

>>8197709
Is there a version that goes back through the 20s to the teens?

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>>8198772

>>8198786
Sorry, forgot to leave a comment with that. Looks like most sources start at the 20s, presumably because testosterone levels remain constant before that.

>>8198569
I'm 5'10 about 160 pounds with broad shoulders and a pretty manly face. Shit sucks I honestly don't know which option is better. I feel like I'm fucked either way.

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>>8198814
> 5'10 about 160 pounds

this is easily workable

>broad shoulders

this can be okay

>a pretty manly face.
not so great but you're probably being hard on yourself

post a pic anon im curious

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>>8198569
>6'1
>narrow hips
>manface

>>8198909
how old are you?

>>8198921
26

>>8198909
post pics for the love of god>>8197520

>>8198926
Oh, fuck. Yeah, tough luck. I'm sorry :(

>>8198969
you are just going to add me to the hon folder

>>8198569
>>8198814
Even if you are 100% sure that you'll never pass, you should still try hormones. They can make you feel better psychologically even if you don't get what you want physically.

>>8199057
This

I never want to get saved to be laughed at

>>8199087
>>8199057
Ditto. Makes me wonder how hons and Reddit//4chan twinkhons even have the courage to post pics of themselves.

>>8198839
>>8198969
I took a picture and I look even more shitty than normal. I'm not posting it I wouldn't pass don't worry.

>>8199107
because "twinkhon" is a retarded term, and 90% of 4channers here are under 22 and passable

>>8199131
how old are you anon

>>8199057
>>8199087
>>8199119
not really, a year ago (20) i was sorta where you guys are, 5/9 or 5/10, shoulders on the wide side, but have always looked really young.

I've gone from the brink of suicide to fem boy cute looking in a year after taking care of myself and gaining new perscpetive on life. i start mones in a few weeks and i'm psure i'll pass fine.

The person who is the hardest on your pictures is yourselves. There is no shame in pre everything boymode picutres rofl

>>8199176
>>8198926

>>8199178
not even close. why are you coming in this thread to brag about being passable? piss off

>>8199198
Why not even close? I'm not >>8199178, but I started at 20 and I'm also passable. If you're only 24, there's no reason why you can't pass if you could pass at 20.

>>8199198
you're being to hard on yourself, i never said i pass now i just said i look cute and believe i WILL Pass after people telling me to kill myself a year ago to presently where people say i can pass when i start/hrt ect

The biggest thing is belief, seeing something in the mirror even if it's a small and turning that hope into genuine belief. It will change your life fgt

>>8199232
>>8199214
Do you realize how much development happens between 20 and 24? Goodbye any chance of wider hips. And I'm even cheating and have been on pills for a year and a half and not once been gendered female. You don't realize just how much shit changes and given you already started as a "femboy" and four inches shorter you're already miles and miles ahead so don't patronize

>>8199248
Contrary to what people on here say, bones continue to change throughout your entire life. Besides regular developmental changes they undergo regular cell turnover which is regulated by hormones (which is why lack of hormones causes osteoporosis). Once they're done fusing and whatnot your changes are less obviously but you'll still get some, it just takes longer and it won't be as much as those who got in really early but at least it's something.

>>8199248
>how much development happens between 20 and 24
How much? What changes?

23 here. Tall, hairy and stocky. I'm just going to keep drinking until I finally die.

>>8199289
Probably between 20-30 you'll develop more than you did during puberty. It's just more subtle since your height remains relatively unchanged but overall your body shape begins to be more 'solidified' during this period.

>>8197622
changes never technically stop. every day you are on male hormones is a change towards masculinity and vice versa. you can obsess over the details but HRT never ends for a reason

>>8197709
>tfw already 2manly2live and 26
please kill me D:

>>8199792
I've seen quite a few people transition in late-20's and pass perfectly, it's not always hopeless.
Even if you think it's hopeless at least just start HRT and see if it helps clear up your thinking. If things improve then look into surgeries, acquiring money, etc.

>>8198786
>>8197709
>tfw your T was 400 ng/dl when you started
Feels good

>>8199801
I've always been pretty low T as well. Then I keep seeing these /pol/ posts of them complaining low T people are failed males turning themselves into girls now I'm kind of worried lol

>>8199800
>I've seen quite a few people transition in late-20's and pass perfectly, it's not always hopeless.
Thank you but like I'm legit not sure I could pass even if I started at 18 I'm built like an ogre with some effort I could become Shrek and dedicate my life to keeping cis scum out of my swamp.

>>8199847
At some point you're just going to go crazy though. I wouldn't play yourself down so much. Just take the fucking pills lol
Assuming you know for sure you're trans, if not go to a therapist and whatever.

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Oh well here is a picture of me I think it made me look a lot worse than I normally do but oh well. I put my hair in a ponytail so you could see my whole face. Feel free to laugh or tell me I'm hopeless. I'm going to sleep it's almost 1am.

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I've been dealing with some problems lately. I'm not sure if I'm trans or what anymore, and I'm sick of feeling this way. I just want to feel pretty and loved, but instead I just look like some awkward faggot with a man jaw and Aspergers. Every other one of my friends looks great as the gender they want to be. I want someone to put me out of my misery

>>8199880
Aside from hair that's honestly not that masculine of a skull shape

>>8199880
I think you would be okay if you started hrt right away. End the masculinization and then just look into FFS depending on what happens.

>>8197520
The mental stability I got from getting on HRT saved my life. It curved my anxiety and really tamed my dysphoria.

I don't care that I don't pass to others, I pass for myself and that's enough for me.

I've dated more people, had more sex, made more friends as a non-passing transgender girl than I ever did as a dude.

Even if my fortune changes and life fucks me hard, I still have me and I'm cool with that.

Best of luck to you, you have to decide for yourself what you need.

>>8199921
Look I know you're tired of people calling you brave by now but this is honestly how I feel about people like you. I don't have that kind of courage. Either you're brave or I'm a coward.

>>8197526
>tfw balding temples and back hair by 21

I don't know if I will pass or not and neither do I care right now. Change won't happen by itself.
I am really tired of repressing and will tell my doc that I want to start hrt ASAP.

I can't even buy the med here in my country because selfmedding = self harm ya da yada. So I have to get a pass from my psych doc.
Honestly I would start right now if I could. Time is ticking, the more you wait the harder you will spiral downwards. It would be better to at least have minor changes than see yourself grow old in a disgusting male body and wishing to die everyday but hanging onto life and hope. It's cruel, it's unsatisfying and it makes me want to someday pull through with either option.

>>8197520
I chose not to transition and aside from having gender dysphoria and some depression which never really goes away I'm otherwise pretty happy with my life. It never goes away but I can deal with it. fyi.

>>8199969
Good for you *pat*
I sincerely wish you a happy life.
I decided for myself and as your can see ^ my opinion on it.

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Hey listen anon , I'm in the same boat as you literally everything you said, except in 22 , you aren't alone ... get started .im gonna do it soon . Better now than never ... you can do it

>>8199986
Was wondering if I was the only one starting at 22 ..well I'm almost 23

>>8199974
dealing with depression seems like less of a hassle than transitioning. I did go on HRT for a while and I'm 99% sure I could pass. Both my parents were skinny feminine looking models. I just don't want to deal with years of bullshit. I'm pretty ok though, so I think you would be happy with whatever decision you make, just don't flip flop. If you do one thing go all out.

>>8200001
Sticking to one thing will help than jumping between possibilities.
"I wish I had transitioned earlier"
It's a wish. Nothing more. Face reality and accept it that's the first step.
The second step is to decide where you want to be in a few days, months, years and act resolutely.
I'm not sure what's better, desu
>repression, depression, dysphoria
>hrt and all its consequences.
The human body is up to this date still a mystery.
And messing with the bodies system without knowing everything about it doesn't sound too attractive.. In a few years people will be like "oh yeah this hormone is important for transitioning but we didn't know yet, it magically changes your whole life"

That feel when only 18, but have the odd back hair and hairy hands from my father.

It's not fair lads.

>>8199936
Get on finasteride or pica, I'm the same age and I've regrown a lot on it

>>8200141
I thought spiro or cypro already blocked DHT, rendering finasteride et al unnecessary?

>>8200154
No residual T in your blood can still be turned into DHT if you don't block 5-ar so if your T is reduced to 10% your DHT conversion will be down to that.

So your MPB could still happen just very slowly until you get orchi

>>8200001
Well if you repress that shit you are going to be an old man, trying to be a young woman, it will be a mess.


The amount of trouble you have now will be 10x worse when your 40-50, and seen as a pervy old man and 100% unable to pass
If you do HRT and then want to detrans its a lot better than waiting for 10-20 years than transitioning when your all old

>>8200078
I have hair all over and its seriously thinned/not growing fast and a different colour than before. Some of it the density dosent even grow anymore

>>8197520
Genetics>Age

Unless you have a really masc face you may be able to pass, being pretty however is entirely up in the air.


FFS is always there and so is contouring

>>8199990
>>8199308
Why not post pics. Literally the worst thing that can happen is that your made fun of on the internet. None of us know you in real life. Well probably never ever meet each other either.

Also, congrats on >>8199880 for posting.
I had a break down last night and now I'm drinking myself through the day. Also, here's my ugliness >>8200098 so you know I have no room to judge.

Honestly, us 21-25 y/o's need to start our own general/support group becouse I know how bad y'all feel :(

>>8197526
>tfw keep forgetting to take my pills

im really sorry can i be good too im sorry

>19, gonna be 20 in a few months
>really really want to look like a cute boy and not grow up to be masculine or ugly
>one of my friends keeps telling me to take hormones but I don't know and I'm scared
>Don't want to tell my family about it
>Don't want to be a girl but want to look cute and feminine and not grow up

what do I do

>>8200524
Hormones don't just affect your looks. They affect your brain. If you don't want to be a girl don't turn yourself into one.

>>8200524
do it

>>8200536
How do hormones make you mentally a girl? That sounds kinda nice actually

>>8197520
If you feel like you want to be more effeminate then go for it. Everything in our world is so oversexualized, but being timid, and forward, are traits of gender beyond being blonde, and having a big dick. Wanting to talk more about the way you feel rather than about sports, or whatever it is guys talk about, is another good sign you're transgender. It's hard to define gender though, but I guess that's why it's such a prevalent issue in modern day society.

>>8200524
>>8200545
>I don't want to be a girl
>Thinking like a girl sounds nice actually..
E G G D E T E C T E D

>>8200524

I wish someone had told me I could take hormones when I was 19

(I got a huge break in learning a year later though, just barely eeked out a passing visage)

>>8200536

They do, just subtley if you're past puberty. They make your skin softer, body hair thinner, very slightly rounder face... it won't change your looks, but it will affect them a little bit.

>>8200545

First - you will like boys a lot more.

Like... a LOT more.

>>8200572
I mean, they're always kind of subtle. Just less subtle than a lot of people seem to think. Def. more subtle than sexists seem to think though.

>>8200572
How much of a facial change are we talking?

>>8200645

You could probably get a stronger rounding with photoshop

It's a function of fat distribution. Fat that you gain will go a little more towards your face, softening up the edges a little bit.

>>8200317

Don't know how to link it but >>8194269 did already

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>>8200536
I know they do and that's what I'm scared of too. i don't want it to break my brain I just want to be cute and not grow up. I already take antidepressants i can't take more brain pills

>>>8200539
I'm scared. I don't have any money and I don't want my family to know about it

>>8200570
What do you mean?

>>8200572
That's what I'm scared of I'm scared of wasting time but I'm scared of doing it too I don't know what to do I'm really worried

>>8199900
Yeah I would definitely need a lot of work.

>>8199902
>>8199905
You really think so? I don't know whenever I look at myself I just see no hope.

>>8200317
Yeah it sucks being 21-25 it's that awkward age where it's like now or never and odds are against you. Anyways hope you feel better.

>>8197520
I be the best boy I can, then at night I dream of exploring the universe after I die, as a beautiful space princess in her dreadnaught of exploration. Where is my mind again?

>>8200933

Are you dead set on having kids?

If not, do it. You lose nothing. Just take very light E so you don't grow big breasts (talk with an endo about that) and a strong anti-T. *At least*, at the *absolute* least, get on an anti T.

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>>8201302
I mean, I'm scared of having them at the moment, but I might want to one day, i don't know. I'm scared of not continuing on in any way after I die. Cutting myself off to the possibility is scary. Do I still have to go through the psychologist and everything to get testosterone blockers? Will my family have to find out? What'll I look like if I just take those?

>>8200952
You need to make the target group 25-30 so that when the inevitable creep younger if posters entering happens you'll have roughly the target audience. As you can see in this thread we've already gone from 24 to 19 year olds whining despite the massive difference in opportunity at those ages

>>8201329

You can always use a sperm bank, my endo suggested it but I was like "nah senpai I ain't about that life"

I don't know if you need authorized signing off on spironolactone, but I would recommend it either way. It might help you clear up your fears, if not help you make a solid life long choice.

The T blockers are easy to hide, and don't really affect your appearance. Hair *might* get thinner, but there won't be any noticable changes. And no one needs to find out - Spiro is the most common t blocker and it's usually prescribed as a heart medication or a diuretic, so it'll be easy to cover yourself.

>>8201361
>massive difference in opportunity at those ages
What kind of opportunity?

>>8197520
I'm in my early 30s and quite masc so I'm just gonna keep repressing and smoking weed. I think transition is best suited for younger feminine individuals, especially HSTSs.

>>8202510
>younger feminine individuals
define younger and feminine?

>>8200248
>Well if you repress that shit you are going to be an old man, trying to be a young woman, it will be a mess.

Actually, I'm trying harder to be masculine not feminine, that's the problem. I'm working out and lifting weights trying to get six pack abs and bigger arms. I'm pretty feminine so it's not super easy.

> The amount of trouble you have now will be 10x worse when your 40-50, and seen as a pervy old man

I've already made a 100% decision not to transition. So I don't think this will ever happen and I'm almost forty now anyway but I look late twenties for some weird reason. I will have gender dysphoria for life but I'm used to it. I'm actually learning to like some things about masculinity, particularly lifting weights and doing physical stuff which is kind of fun. If I wanted to transition I would definitely pass but it's just too much at this point.

> and 100% unable to pass If you do HRT and then want to detrans its a lot better than waiting for 10-20 years than transitioning when your all old

I'm not against other people transitioning, everyone should do what they think is right for themselves. In my case, I did a serious cost benefit analysis and realized that although gender dysphoria is like having acid in your blood 24/7 it's still better (for me) than dealing with all the shit that comes with transitioning at this age.

>>8197526
so what do i do if i'm 29 :/

is there a cutoff age?

>>8202584
Generally, the cutoff starts around the 24-26 range (mid 20s). Exceptions may apply, however.

>>8202584
do it now and hate yourself like the rest of us or don't do it and pray to white jesus that you don't crack in 20 years

>>8202687

if i thought it would actually help at this point i absolutely would

but at this point, i know i'm just going to see my man face forever and then probably kill myself after trying for a few years.

sorry to butt into the thread i'm just dysphoric as shit now carry on

>>8202739
if you're 29 you're welcome here

>>8202754
you aren't just going to call me a hon and tell me to kill myself?

>>8202870
if that's your jam it can be arranged

>>8202739
Just indulge your agp other ways.

>>8202739
>if i thought it would actually help at this point i absolutely would
I know how you feel. I think it honestly might not even help at all at this point.

>>8202513
Early 20s and somewhat androgynous.

>>8202577
OMG an older masc repressor! I thought I was the oldest one here. I'm trying to get /fit/ myself. I'm large and quite physically masculine so staying male is much easier than being a tranny.

The physical benefits are huge part of the fun of T. I spent my teen years depressed weak and morbidly obese, so I have no idea what its like to be a fit young man. I'm a lot leaner and fitter than my teen years, but still overweight. HRT makes me scared i'll go back there, especially as I age.

You mentioned earlier trying HRT, how did that make you feel? i'm a little shocked to hear that you could probably pass yet you still don't want to transition.

>>8202961
Yep crossdreaming, crossdressing or projecting your AGP onto a feminine partner.

>>8206144
>or projecting your AGP onto a feminine partner.
or finding a male partner who makes you feel feminine :3

>>8202961
I honestly figure I will either end up transitioning or I will end up becoming a chaser and trying to make my partner as happy as possible

>>8206144
>You mentioned earlier trying HRT, how did that make you feel?

The gender dysphoria went away completely so it was like an emotional version of putting ice on a burn. I felt light and good all the time and my skin cleared up and I started looking great and feeling great about myself almost like I was om an antidepressant drug, I also felt super calm and content. However, it was almost like I had spent so much time as this gender that correcting it was impossible at this point. Sort of like a house that has burnt down and theres nothing you can do with those materials anymore, like internally it was too late for me. I'm ok though.

>>8206643
Shit, sounds like it worked good for you. Why not try being a femboy?

I think I get what you mean, I wouldn't know how to be a woman and trying to larp as one would be embarrassing. I'd try HRT but I'm afraid I might like it and i'm scared to live as an ugly masc tranny. So I just smoke weed instead and it seems to help.

So I'm kinda short, like under 5' 9". Small hands. Body hair but not a whole lot on arms/back. Higher pitched voice (get miss'ed on the phone). A little overweight but working on it (190 now, shooting for 160, was 140 in college). People kinda have a hard time believe I'm 30. Kinda baby faced I guess. Not balding like brothers/cousins. Honestly think it's low T.

Problem is, I'm still 35. I've been repressing. Saying it's just cosplay until recently.

Pretty sure I don't pass without makeup but I seem to be getting pretty good marks whenever I've posted a photo with the basics (eyeliner, blush, lip gloss). Only posted voice elsewhere once and it went over well (want to try here because 4chan is more critical I feel).

Never heard "beard shadow" or "eyebrows" (though I'm scheduled for LHR anyway because I fucking hate shaving and it makes me FEEL like a man).

I got one dressing down for failing at dressing quirky. They said I looked 50. it was a really bad photo in retrospect. But otherwise, the only bad responses I got here were fat (duh, I know), SJW glasses, ugly haircut, and "no." Just "no," I don't know why. I didn't think half the people that poster unambiguously passed were 100% passes so I wonder what I did wrong. Other people liked the hair and glasses, the only one everybody seems agreed on is that I'm a porker.

Do I have any chance? I want to follow that chart that says there's drugs for reducing boob growth, to see if my face fixes enough, but I can't get a clear answer whether it's just delayed growth while you take the drug or if I don't grow them in the first year on E I'll never grow them. Please help ;_;

>>8206792
Also, measurements (can't ever find a measureing tape when i need it so improvising a bit):
bra size: 38C
wait line: 34-35 waist (shrinking - maybe back down to 30 if I'm lucky)
hips: 40 (not super wide, some of it's butt, but I was always full bottomed)
shoulders: not sure how to measure...if I measure joint to joint, I get ~18, if I measure a flat shirt, I also get 18...so I guess kind of wide but close to my hips?

>>8206700
I thought the same way. I was never very feminine, but I needed the hormones to stop drinking myself to death.
After like... A year and a half I am surprised to find how much less... Masculine I actually feel. I would have been the first to tell you it's a hon meme but having experienced it, hormones absolutely affect your personality. It's quite subtle but over time it builds up until you suddenly notice

>>8211690
Reported

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>>8211690
*1 month

>>8211690
For most, it is. I started at 16 amd look like a guy. Wish i repressed because there's no going back for me.

>>8211721
Why report me? I'm asking for help and you're just being a dick.

>>8211733
How far into being 16 did you start?

>>8211749
16th birthday. There was even a scientist who asserted that the 16 year old skeleton is essentially an adult skeleton, so I know it's not just my body image issues.

>>8211768
Jesus fuck. That's the day I wanted to start.

>>8211775
I hate how hons say "hurr if you're still young you'll look like a girl." Nope, hons have no fucking clue what a girl looks like. If you didn't start at 12/13, you're fucked unless your genes are insanely good.

>>8211781
I mean, look at ftms whove been on T for a few years. That's the power of testosterone. It's utterly unfair how potent it is compared to estrogen.

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I started HRT at 24, Suck it up and get the fuck on with it, if it's really what you need.

>>8211781
I pretty much just starved myself to stunt growth.
I would give anything to be able to go back to when I was 16 and transition. Too bad I was just an autistic retard back then and never spoke to anyone.

>>8211801
>perfect passing
Opinion irrelevant

>>8211810
except i didn't always. So... Be trapped and miserable or be yourself and be miserable with a chance of it getting better.

>>8211801
Everything after test has done its thing is dependent on genetics. Not everyone has good genetics

>>8211819
I'd STILL have stuck in there and made the best of what i had if my genetics were shit. I'd be an ugly girl over the gender i'm not in a heartbeat. But i can only talk from my experiences and feelings

>>8211828
There's a difference between being an ugly girl and a man in a dress though. For many (would even say most), the latter is their reality.

>>8211816
With a face like that it wouldn't have taken long
I bet you're not even above 5'10

>>8211841
i'm 5ft4.

>>8211844
Yeah no shit, opinion even more discarded

>>8211844
Lol well there you go
Age doesn't matter, it's all genetics and luck

>>8211844
Yeah, see. The male average is 5'10-5'11. You're kidding yourself if you think most people are going to pass if they just stick to it, as if all they have to do is believe.

>>8211858
I never once said that they'd pass with that approach. I just said i'd personally be happier living as my true gender no matter how i looked rather than living as a guy

>>8211863
Except they won't be living as their gender. They'll still be living as a guy, only a guy in a dress.

>>8211863
You're fucking 5'4 you don't understand at all

>>8211690
4chan is 18+, sorry. Go try Susan's or Reddit or something.

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>>8211801
>person with god tier genetics tells others to "suck it up"

>>8211870
>>8211888

y'all can come at me all you like, but the fact of the matter is, if transition is what you need, you're gonna do it. dysphoria is relieved with progress, and time. no matter how small that progress is. SURELY if you're hurting that bad to have gender dysphoria, you'll take any kind of improvement?

>>8211690
enjoy your ban

>>8211893
these people don't want to be happy, you're wasting your time, i like you in the fact that you aren't playing around with them...be blunt with them and to the point. Anons need to realize they control their own happiness

>>8211893
>>8211913
Can you please tell me how looking like a man in a dress and being shafted by society is supposed to make anybody feel happier?

>>8211946
don't wear a dress, wear fucking jeans and a top like every other woman lol

>>8211961
Beside the point.

Not gonna make you look any less like an ogre.

>>8211977
it would, slightly, and combining a lot of other slight improvements goes a long way too. Making excuses is just gonna lead back to a 4chan thread and feeling the same miserable person. Trying your hardest to learn and improve and live authentically, will change things for the better, nobody's transition is easy, not even mine. I was a huge beefy athlete. and it took so much work to lose that bulk. i looked like an ogre for a bit too. bottom line is, you wont lose anything by trying.

>>8211977
what are your stats even? If you think you will be THAT miserable on hormones...do NOT take them...that simple m8...you have to decide is the dysphoria worth it?

Also have you tried/considered losing weight? what are your stats? Do you really NEED to pass to be happy? Are there ZERO alternatives you can think of that would make you happy??

Because if there are no awnsers then what? are you just going to live the rest of your life basically dead?

>>8212000
>Do you really NEED to pass to be happy?
or just be HAPPIER??

>>8211999
>>8212000
>both trips
whoa

Anyways, I already am on HRT, I've just opted to boymode forever.

>Trying your hardest to learn and improve and live authentically, will change things for the better
"Trying" unfortunately isn't enough to change fucked bone structure.

>what are your stats even?
I started at 20 and I'm 6' tall, have 17.5" shoulders, a 33" ribcage, and a nasty horseface with a strong jaw. It's not a weight issue, I'm 160 lbs.

>Do you really NEED to pass to be happy?
Looks aren't everything, but if your quality of life tanks so much and you are disgusted by your deformed body, what is even the point?

>Are there ZERO alternatives you can think of that would make you happy
Pretty much only escapism.

>are you just going to live the rest of your life basically dead?
Probably until I kill myself, yeah.

>>8212127
poor you, young enough to get wider hips
try all of that but being 26 and 6'1

>>8206700
> Shit, sounds like it worked good for you. Why not try being a femboy?
> I think I get what you mean, I wouldn't know how to be a woman and trying to larp as one would be embarrassing.
> I'd try HRT but I'm afraid I might like it and i'm scared to live as an ugly masc tranny. So I just smoke weed instead and it seems to help.

My way of coping is to workout constantly. I'm like working out almost every day. I also make digital paintings and can imagine myself as the characters I draw. I have a sick imagination, so it helps.

>>8211801
Wow you're actually pretty. I doubt I would look half as good as you. How old are you in that pic?

>>8197520
>tfw 19 (20 in 1 month) and same thing

i wanna die desu

>>8199880
It could be a lot worse. The bottom half of your face seems fine. Brow forehead and hair are the main problems.

>>8213499
You're only 19 though why not start now?

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24 myself, hadn't been actively repressing so much as denying...at first that worked okay, but now I'm actually repressing. It's more practical for work/life but I'm pretty sure I'm miserable.

I don't actually know. My emotions are dead. Makes it easy to be pragmatic. I haven't cried in nearly five years.

>>8215136
I don't really feel emotions other than depression and the general feeling of I hate myself. It sucks but I don't know if transition will be better or worse for my life especially if I don't pass.

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>>8215219
Yeah, pretty much the same. My job takes up most of my time these days so it was easy, kind of, to just drown myself in productivity and not think about it. But now the intrusive thoughts are getting worse. Can't tell if it's just a rough patch or if it'll just keep worsening.

>>8200524
This is me, one year younger and I don't have any friends.

>>8215238
It's been getting worse for me too unfortunately. I kind of do the same thing to avoid thinking about it. If I can manage to keep myself busy at all times it usually wont bother me as much. It's kind of a shitty way to live but oh well.

>>8213288
25

>>8211801
You're beautiful and smol. Not everyone can pull this off.

>>8215274
Wow well you look really good but I doubt I could end up passing nearly as well as you.

This>>8199880 is what I look like. I'm pretty sure I would need ffs.

I've found that, most of the time, I can ignore it, but when it hits, it hits harder every time.

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>>8215263
it's getting worse and worse
to the point where it's the only thing I think about
but at the same time I'm still trying to repress
and I feel like my mind will break soon

>>8214720
i'm way too scared and a huge pussy

I don't think anyone in my family would accept it, I don't think they'd disown me but they'd be unhappy

>>8218266
If they would only be unhappy just go for it. I was worried about getting completely disowned and losing all my friends. It's not going to go away and you have a better chance at passing now than you do in 5 or 10 years when you have a meltdown.

>>8211733
>Wish i repressed because there's no going back for me.
How far gone are you?

>>8212000
>>8212038
You can control what makes you happy.