LGBT people trying to ban conversion therapy

>T
>born perfectly fine

>>8189201
a lot of people get sent to conversion camps against their will when they are younger. banning them reduces the chances of people getting hurt by them.

>>8189254
Why not just allow them for people 18+?

>>8189254
So then they should ban the camps not the practice.

>>8189201
Because conversion therapy is pseudoscience, along with electroshock and lobotomies.

It's also forced on children by idiotic parents, which causes far more psychological damage.

>>8189320
So is transitioning, we should ban both desu

>>8189266
>>8189268
Because being lgbt is not a medical condition, so trying to "treat" is peddling snake oil.

>>8189422
It's a mental illness

>>8189452
Show me where it is in the DSM, so I can call up this lawmaker and inform him these medical centers need to stay open.

Conversion therapy turns bisexuals into straights and gays into celibates.

>>8189480

More like turns gays into corpses.

I'm trans and I've been to conversion therapy.

It's not therapy you just get tortured into wanting to die

>>8189550

What did they do to you?

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>>8189480
Aversion therapy is literally cruel and unusual punishment and it should be outlawed.
Sky-daddies are not real and people who use them as an excuse to torture others are monsters.

>>8189550
Greentext plz

>>8189598
Basically my mom said I had to go to summer camp for two weeks and that God was going to make my better and when I didn't want to go my parents said I had no choice.

What they did:
>ignored every attempt to explain that I just wanted to be a girl and it wasn't about being gay or about sex at all
>cut my hair off
>made me look at slideshows daily of STDS, prolapses assholes, rotted corpses of people who died of aids
>made me spend 'bonding' time with old men doing 'manly' things
>forced me to kiss girls in front of groups of people
>made me watch gay porn and made me smell a bucket filled with some kind of rancid something so that I'd associate gayness with nausea or throw up

It's all so over the top that I don't really expect anyone to believe it

>>8189623
holy lmao

>>8189601
Some people just want to be straight man

>>8189623
How did you get out of that mess, and its impacts?

>>8189623
Wow at least they tried to prevent you from becoming a filthy degenerate like you are now

>>8189645
lashing out at others isn't going to fix you, you know

>>8189201
Conversion therapy has been debunked in all respectable scientific literature for at least a century over and over again. There was a time when psychiatrists attempted to treat LGB as an illness. If Hitler couldn't treat it, then no one can.

Believe me, if there was REAL therapy that would turn gay people straight or trans people normal, people would do it in stead of being gay or trans. There is no such therapy, so gay people will be gay for the foreseeable future, and trans people could look forward to more and more perfect gender reassignment options.

> But people in conversation therapy say they're not gay anymore.
Read: they went back in the closet and in deep depression as they are ashamed of themselves. That's how 50 yr old hons w/ a wife and 2 children are born (if trans).

> LGBT people
LGBT is an artificial construct. LGB and T should always have been separate.

So the sentence is true in this way:
> LGB people are perfectly fine as they are.
> T is a sickness, and is treatable by gender reassignment

Sage goes to all fields
> Flies away

>>8189641
I just waited until it was over since there was basically no way to escape.

>its impacts?
I want to die every day of course . My mom was incredibly upset when I came back and it didn't work and I was just an empty husk of a human that still wanted to be a girl, I was kicked out not long after

>>8189623
Holy fuck....

>>8189623

How much money did your parents waste for that?

>>8189645

If they were trying to, they should have at least read up on the type they were trying to treat, dumbass. You don't treat salmonella with a cast, do you? Start taking HRT, repressor.

>>8189656

So was she upset that you came back as a tranny but even worse, or only that you were still a tranny and she didn't care about the psychological effects it had on you?

>>8189666
>So was she upset that you came back as a tranny but even worse
Yes. More upset that it didn't work but obviously upset at it's effects as well. I know my mom has always loved me, it's just incredibly, disgustingly misguided. The reason she sent me to that camp is because she loves me. That's why it's impossible for me to hate her as much as I want to

>>8189666
No they shouldn't indulge your mental illness, you don't cut off a limb is somebody has body dysphoria

>>8189653
Yeah but it's fun

>>8189684
is it indulging mental illness when a depressed person is put on SSRIs

>>8189690
its pathetic

>>8189694
Indulging in illnesses can be more than one thing

>>8189702
Posting on 4chan is pathetic. What's your point?

>>8189704
like...?

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>>8189676

>upset she had her kid fucked up mentally, and paid a bunch of shills for it to boot
>decides she may as well kick her out and compound the issues because she's still a tranny instead of a son

Pro-tier mom.

>>8189684

The dysphoria must have gotten to your brain. You didn't understand what I said at all. If you're going to use aversion therapy for a tranny, you don't use stimuli you use on gays.

>>8189721
She thought that maybe I wanted to be a girl because of my computer, or video games, or school, or because I was dependent and thought that if I was forced to take care of myself it'd make me a 'man'. My mom is more obsessed with gender roles than I am

>>8189623
I'm sorry. I hope you're better now.

I hear its really damaging if your gay.
However, they have had some 'success' with Bi men.

>>8189623
>made me look at slideshows daily of STDS, prolapses assholes, rotted corpses of people who died of aids
>made me watch gay porn and made me smell a bucket filled with some kind of rancid something so that I'd associate gayness with nausea or throw up

what country do you live in?
in the usa you could call child protective services and get them arrested.

>>8189806
It was 10 years ago, they've long since disbanded

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>>8189656
Your childhood was probably significantly traumatic and low-nurturance. Conversion therapy counts as abuse.

Check out this video ("Were you traumatized as a child? How do you know?"): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo1RBWNT5Ts

You might be interested in assessing how functional or dysfunctional your family was (http://sfhelp.org/senpai/traits.htm), and what consequences it had on you (http://sfhelp.org/gwc/1_traits.htm). You'll gain an understanding of why you feel the way you feel, which will help you heal.

Where do you live now? Do you have a stable roof at least?

>>8189816
>http://sfhelp.org/senpai/traits.htm
god damnit replace "senpai" with "f a m" without spaces kek

>>8189811
child abuse has no statute of limitations

>>8189816
>Were you traumatized as a child? How do you know?
I understand you're trying to be nice but I'm not an idiot. Of course I know I was traumatized. What I've mentioned in this thread is just a small part of the horrible things I've experienced. I'm also not so stupid to think that my family was stable or functional.

I really do feel bad for sounding rude, but your post feels patronizing. I might just be oversensitive though.

>>8189837
The point is that there's no way for me to find those guys. They ran a shady operation and they're long gone, who the fuck knows where any of the people who ran that place are.

>>8189841
>I really do feel bad for sounding rude, but your post feels patronizing. I might just be oversensitive though.
I have bad social skills, plz no bulli

The video isn't what you think, it's not superficial at all, it's about how trauma works and what you can do about it. The website helped me a lot, it's not the usual self-improvement crap. I just hope you can get value from it too.

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God, just by reading all of this, now I know how pic related felt.

>>8189846
>no one can find your parents

wew lad
seems legit

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>>8189878
Jesus Christ

>>8189930
I thought you meant the people who ran the camp

My dad is dead and I'm not going to destroy my mother's life for petty revenge

>>8189729

So 10 years have passed, has your mother changed in opinion or apologized at all? Is she still looking for some cause for the reason you're a tranny? What about your father before he died?

>>8189878

>tfw I thought my parents were super conservative
>tfw my excessive fears just blew them up to be in my mind when in reality they might have let me transition early even if they didn't personally agree with it
>tfw I decided I would kill myself in a month on the day she actually did

>>8189950
Christian fanatics really are a fucking disease, and I'm christian.

>>8189987
>has your mother changed in opinion or apologized at all?
She thinks that she fucked up somehow when I was between 3-4 years old but she isn't sure how and she thinks that it's impossible to be born the way I am, but she also thinks it's too late for me to change and she says she doesn't mind if I transition. But she obviously hates it and she hates herself and feels like a failure of a mother every day. The guilt and shame I feel is insanely soul crushing and if I didn't have a wonderful girlfriend who supports me I would have killed myself years ago

I don't want to talk about my father for various reasons

>>8189710
Cutting off genitals

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>>8189988
The worst part is how they present her death was jus some accident when she was taking a walk. Utterly deluded.
> My sweet 16-year-old son, Joshua Ryan Alcorn, went home to Heaven this morning. He was out for an early morning walk and was hit by a truck. Thank you for the messages and kindness and concern you have sent our way. Please continue to keep us in your prayers.
>our
>us
Fucking hell.

>>8190005
filename related, sis

>>8190005

My father thinks it was the Teletubbies or some shit I watched on TV as a toddler along with some influence of the internet. He thinks I've been molested when I haven't as well. One person he's suspected of molesting me was another tranny in the family who I only knew as a man while she lived with her father renting the floor above us. My mother thinks it was the internet.

>>8189320
>and lobotomies
[citation needed]

>>8189324
>transitioning
>pseudoscience
pimozide is psuedoscience, transitioning is a legit treatment to a psychological disorder

>>8189950
lol that's funny as fuck that he tried to be a martyr but he's a "literally who"

>>8190358
Psychology is mainly pseudoscience

>>8189468
It was in there until gays got up in arms of being told they had a metal disorder

>>8189816
tfw your family doesn't get a single check

>>8189320
>electroshock
>pseudoscience
It won't fix the gay, but it actually does help with several mental health issues. Shame it is lauded by Pence and others as a treatment for everything.

>>8191113
Pence never was in favor of using electroshock that's just a meme made by gays

>>8189816
god damnit im losing it man i just want to be normal i want to be a person and not a vessel for other poeple to fill fuck im crying

>>8191113
>it actually does help with several mental health issues
[citation needed]

>>8189656
>and I was just an empty husk of a human that still wanted to be a girl,
How has the conversion therapy affected you since?

>>8191113
>it is lauded by Pence
Did you actually mistake the /pol/ meme for reality?

>>8189201
I think they used the word perfect to help curb autism because they obsess a lot

>>8191219
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy

>>8191339
Most people did anon. One of my friends I thought had a good head on his shoulders spouted this shot one day on FB so I sorted him out.
>>8191113
Pence only supports conversion therapy for people who want it. He's not a madman running around with a car battery and jumper cables.
Believe it or not some gays actually do want to be not gay.

For the both of you though. My friends yas queen gay friend called me a gay traitor for acknowledging some gays might wanna confirm with this """intellectual""" argument which I now shitpost
>gay conversion is a cruel and barbaric practice. Gay conversion ends in suicide 100% of the time.
>anyone who supports gay conversions needs to grow some compassion and tolerance

>>8191369
A lot of people are something that they cannot change. Gay conversion camps do not work.

>>8191390
It is possible to change your sexuality, I did it.

>>8191390
https://www.google.com/amp/www.inquisitr.com/1887499/gay-conversion-works-christian-activist-claims-and-he-has-the-story-that-proves-it/amp/

>>8191390
Gay conversion camps don't work because the religious retards operating it only know of 2 therapies
>aversion
And
>corrective rape
Done during a time where they didn't understand fuck all about anything.
The churches have only opened up to new ideas in recent times and if only barely
>wbc
Sexuality can be changed.
I wasn't 'gay' until 17, it was mainly twink porn and yaoi that pulled me over to gay romance and sex.
Then the shit tines of western women solidified it

>>8191408
Are you a moron

You didn't know you were gay until you were exposed to gay things that aroused you. That doesn't mean you changed your sexuality you dumb shit. A normal person doesn't get "converted" into being straight when they first see porn at age 14 or whatever

>>8191434
But my born gay memes dude.
I've also met more than a few former gays on here who corrected themselves into straights

>>8191356
It 'cures' depression by causing damage, the same way as a lobotomy or other seizures.

>>8191444
Born gay doesn't literally mean born gay, as in you come out of the womb immediately looking for night clubs to suck dick in

It means that being gay is innate and can't be easily influenced by external factors. You can't make a straight person be gay and you can't make a gay person be straight.

>>8191444
>believing what you read on a mongolian letraset board

>>8191450
Now I think you're just memeING me m8

>>8191461
Ok then, keep thinking that infants have a sexuality then you dumb fuck

>>8191450
Can you bring up a source for these claims?

>>8191467
This
>>8191465
>innate gay
Sounds retarded
>straight can't become gay
>gay my can't become straight
Maybe in your bubble world where you don't interact with people other than your echo chamber

>>8191475
>straight can't become gay
>gay my can't become straight
I didn't fucking say this. I said you can't make someone straight or gay. Your sexuality can fluctuate over your lifespan

>>8191479
[citation needed]

>>8191520
Armchair gender scientists don't need sources. They is knowledged

>>8191479
I became gay after being straight until I was 17.

>>8191608
Stop pretending to be me faggot

>>8191528

Interested in becoming straight. I'd like to read all the papers that promise this. List all your citations. One thing, though, I absolutely do not care about what religion has to say about the matter.

>>8191622
I wasn't pretending to be anyone nigger. I was just replying to that comment after I saw it.

>>8191631
>interested in shitposting
>shitpost
>don't shitpost me back senpai
I never said I had articles, merely met people who worked hard to change to straight. Using porn to alter their preferences, not doing things that made them feel gay
It's a transition, transexuality
>>8191634
I posted>>8191408
You fukkin copycat

>>8191658

I see you got nothing. Let the data speak, not your loud mouth, you primitive.

>>8191658
>multiple people cannot have the same experience
Fuck off you American retard.

>>8191685
How transphobia of you
>>>/pol/ is that way
>>8191686
>American retard
I'm a Canadian M8. The kind and polite

>>8191693
>Canadian
So basically America except irrelevant and impoverished. Suck my dick.

>>8189422

What if I really want to go? Why are they taking my liberty to do what I want?. Going to conversion isn't going to hurt anybody else.

>>8191702
I would if you weren't so mean

>>8191725
Are you a tranny?

>>8191732
Cis gay male

>>8191743
At least some redeeming quality.

>>8191752
Wow could you be a bit nicer?

>>8191762
Could you develop thicker skin?

>>8191762
It was a compliment.

>>8191056
So it isn't then?

>>8191449
Biggest risks with ECT are memory loss and aspiration while under anesthesia. As someone who's worked with the therapy, it is a viable adjunct to other treatment and I've seen it bring catatonic people back to functioning status. Hate on it if you want, but it does work when used properly.

>>8191780
It didnt feel like one

>>8191784
Go back to plebbit then.

>>8189422

Is the "conversion therapy" free? Do you have to pay them? I mean there are a coupe of constructive things you could do with your money. for one thing, wipe your ass with it. That alone would save you on toilet paper and time wasted in the, uhh, "conversion therapy camp".

>>8191793
I'm not a redditard.
Maybe stop being such a cunt

>>8191783
You say that like memory loss is a graze and not a serious harm in itself.

>>8191807
Just forget about being gay, duh

>>8191783
It should be

>>8191807
Sometimes it's a blessing. I would like to forget this shit thread for example.

>>8191807
I say that like it's one of the two biggest risks, unlike what comes with the lobotomies the post I replied to compared ECT to. Better than being catatonic(read:a near vegetable) I'd say. And risk for aspiration comes with any procedure under anesthesia.

>>8191823
You should be wrong about it being classified as a mental illness.
And you are.

>>8191815
>>8191828
Trololol.

>>8191839
How?

>>8191847
How to the ECT or how to the mental illness? I replied to two different people here.

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>>8189654
> T is a sickness, and is treatable by gender reassignment
I'm trans and I agree with this. dysphoria caused me so much pain I was begging for death on a daily basis. Honestly, was fine with being a guy other than that pain; would have totally taken a pill to be a cis man if it worked.

tl;dr listen, guys. I don't want me to be trans as much as you don't want me to. but I just am.

>>8191858
The mental illness

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>>8189201
I don't think we should ban it. I mean if some gay people think they are converted to being straight from this who cares. Why ban it? It's not like you're going to use it ever.

>>8191901
No youre not

>>8191901
It's times like these where I have to remind people that this is an anonymous site. Anyone can post any personal account or anecdotal example of anything as anybody for any reason.

>>8191901
>things that never happened

>>8189804
>However, they have had some 'success' with Bi men.
Duh.

A sudden electric discharge can trigger the bisexual's Sudden Breeder Syndrome and turn him basically straight.

>>8190615
She's hardly a literal who. She's relatively well known among LGBT groups and there's anti-conversion therapy laws being pushed in her memory, even named after her.

>>8189804
The reason is that aversion therapy doesn't make you hetero, it just makes you associate homosexuality with negative stimuli. Therefore homosexuals just end up incredibly damaged because they still aren't attracted to the opposite sex but now they can't even function properly with the same sex.

Bis can sometimes turn out okay because even if you utterly destroy their ability to properly experience homosexual attraction, they can still do hetero just fine.

>>8189623
>literally showing porn to minors
>christfags will defend this
>christfags will say LGBT are the degenerates

>implying LGB and T are the same
When will this meme end?

>>8191981
Because degenerate Southern US parents force their kids into electric chairs.

>>8189201
The article you linked didn't even mention trans people though.

>>8189623
Metal. I think all kids should go.

>>8189654
Bullets are a treatment. 100% guaranteed to stop symptoms.

>>8195293
>She's

>>8195293
>among lgbt groups

So a literal literally who