MTFG (Male to female transgender general)

should i buy this brace ive been putting off getting for my rib flare and posture

y/n

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>>8163686
Why not?

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>>8163679
Buying gf 50k osrs

>>8163686
Definitely.

>>8163680
yeah it's really fucking shitty for the people who need the help the most
people with actual crippling dysphoria want to drop the label like hot shit
then you have people who are just 'transfeminine' or 'demigirls' or 'genderfluid' or pick genders based on their MOODS, and they pick up our shit like it's hot chocolate

>>8163683
they're completely different
transgender women are AMABs with crippling dysphoria who identify as the female biological sex and want to transition into it
NBs typically have no dysphoria, are not transitioning into an actual sex, and more often than not are -proud- of being transgender, which for people to whom the label actually applies is a curse.

>>8163679
My favorite Sailor...I want to turn her into a punk rocker and have magical lesbian babies with me.

I had a sweater with a unicorn on it that I wore constantly. Also I would constantly adjust my junk because it made me uncomfortable. Not totally sure that was a trans thing and I've never heard any other trans girls mention something similar, but maybe?

I like to dream sometimes

That I will find some magical way to end everyone's pain

That I can dream up of some crazy meand to fix everyone's problems and make them happy

i used to daydream about a machine that could switch your gender when i was in elementary school

it was like something that every kid would go through, they'd get to go in the machine and pick which gender they wanted

and most importantly their parents would still love them even if they came out the opposite gender

>>8163686
going to start baking, wish me luck I don't burn them!

put i also used to try to put my dads shoes on when i was like 3 so maybe im agp idk

>>8163703
>Soap
is this moap?

>>8163712
good luck eva :3

im sure they'll turn out yummy

>>8163715
no this is moap

>>8163695
To be honest, I'm kind of non-binary but it's more that I don't give a fuck about gender labels. I'd never insist on people using certain pronouns. I just move towards what fits my body because it's ultimately how people label me. So being labeled a woman is fine. Explaining finer details to randoms is a pointless hassle. And I hate stuff that's more tiresome than it's worth. Well, I guess I hate stuff that's tiresome, period.

>>8163715
no newfriend soap is a different person and she is a very cool lady

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>>8163679
i would wear pantyhose around the house and under my uniform pants to school, oh and I stole my mom's corset and would wear that thing nearly 24/7 as tightly as possible to have a more girly figure. um i also started tucking at around 10 years old because it felt more comfortable to not have any bulge at all in my underwear

looking back it's obvious now that i was a girl and my family was in full denial about it for way too long

I heard a story about someone at my school getting into an accident on their bike and having to get one of their testicles removed
I remember thinking many many times what would happen if I got into an accident like that and had to get both of mine removed
I was probably around 13 I think

>>8163725
She's a total bitch actually.

>>8163730
I have not experienced that so I will disagree until evidence is provided.

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tell me more about kayla

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>>8163679

wave:cyan: [B]uying Gf 500k OSRS / 5M RS3

>>8163729
*nibbles ur ballsack*

*begin to bite harder and rip the skin*

>>8163695
no they aren't different. psychology has long recognized nonbinaries. They are internally gendered somewhere between masculine and feminine, can have dysphoria, and some do need to transition.

>>8163729
I had dreams/wishes like that too.

>>8163729
I fantasized about The Little Mermaid cutting off my balls and turning me into a woman before puberty. That was pre-masturbation...probably 2nd, 3rd or 4rth grade.

>fuck you shut up you are the worst worst worst first you come here and you are unironically the literal sjw boogeyman reddit is afraid of and now you come back and you are the rational anti sjw fedora just shut up shut up shut up
i'm flattered, but i'm still leftist overall
i just don't like NBs and trenders being tacked onto the transgender movement, especially when they use it as an identity

i actually used to be /pol/ before i started transition

>>8163722
i identify with biological women and want to be seen as one
if i can't pass as cis i probably won't bother presenting at all

>>8163714
it's like even at that age you instinctively knew she wasn't your father but rather your mother...
v cute desu

selling gf 501k

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18 inch shoulders 16 inch hips. Is it worth doing at 28 going on 29?

>tfw was always the tallest kid in class and it made me feel special
>tfw it didn't make you feel so special anymore when you began towering over all the other kids and started getting lanky

>>8163746
i'll take your offer stranger.

OSRS gold or RS3?

>>8163746
I'll trim her for you, just trade her to me really quick.
>>8163730
What did I ever do to you?

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Sup dudettes

who wants to form a suicide pact with me

I can't fucking take this shit anymore desu senpai

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>>8163749
why the fuck not honestly

>>8163740
okay but transwomen are people transitioning from one biological sex towards the other, who almost always want to stealth as soon as possible
NBs don't identify with other sex and wear the 'transgender' label as a badge of pride

>no they aren't different.
>can have dysphoria, and some do need to transition.
as opposed to transwomen, who have dysphoria without fail

>>8163757
are you a girl?

>>8163749
if you wanna do it, do it
better now than 29 going on 30

>>8163756
High grace

>>8163746
wtf you can't do this to me

>>8163756
that water look murky

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>>8163756
I had an interesting talk with some resident nonbinaries.

>>8163745
HE WASNT A TRANNY REEEEEEEEE

i looked at a picture of him today and he had a weak jaw tho wtf

i got all the shitty genes wtf

>>8163679
Well, almost all my friends were girls, I liked girly toys, girly clothes, wanted to grow my hair long. My parents rarely let me have it my way, though. I managed to get a pink bike, pink glasses with little enamel cherries, but that's because I wouldn't wear other glasses (which I needed) or learn to ride a bike (which my parents wanted)
Oh, and I guess my grandmother didn't have a settled idea of girl/boy clothes because she knitted anything I asked her to. Made wearing ugly sweaters a little less bad, I guess.

>>8163741
reminds me of a snapping turtle that took out a kid's genitals...he was skinny dipping in a pond. Poor kid, he likely wanted his dick and balls.

>>8163760
Actually not all transgenders have dysphoria. Some without dysphoria still decide to medically transition.

>>8163735
/ourgirl/

>>8163737
trip on birdbrain

>>8163751
srry i just got a pm for a better offer

now it's 750k

>>8163679
>So ladies, did you do anything as a kid that would have been an early warning that you would end up trans?
so much shit honestly
i was thinking back to how my 3rd grade teacher scolded me because all my friends were girls
then i tried playing football at recess and broke my arm

>>8163767
ur my property i can do what i want to u

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Buying Gf 650k OSRS

>>8163679

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>>8163768
It is!
>>8163766
Hai
>>8163770
Neat!

>>8163775
and?
just because some people try to transition without dysphoria doesn't change that, by definition, being a binary transgender involves both dysphoria and transition
and just because -some- NBs have dysphoria, and -some- transition, doesn't change that, by definition, being a nonbinary transgender requires neither

then there's the fact that nonbinaries identify as something that doesn't actually exist (ie, either a third gender or the absence of one), whereas binary transgenders identify with the opposite sex

>>8163770
we good people
unlike how Pandora's slanderous remarks portray us

>>8163783
That's a cool bird.

>>8163706
sometimes I wake up crying that I lost the only person who loved me and accepted me for who I was and believed in me for having been born this way.

sometimes i also cry myself to sleep like this.

like today.

at least I got to experience love and swear unending promises to another human being.

and at that moment we meant them.

but life is such that nothing lasts forever, and being human is about being able to withstand loss.

time will do away with everything. money, success, love, compassion.

you have a beautiful dream and I hope it does come true

>>8163778
>w my 3rd grade teacher scolded me because all my friends were girls
That's pretty fucked up desu

>>8163772
your dad, shakiras dad, kaylas dad, amys dad...all trannies
this can't be a coincidence

>>8163778
Nobody ever made my being part of girl cliques feel abnormal. Well, my mother used the word harem a lot, which both my friends and I hated. Other than that, it would have been pretty much impossible to separate us anyway.

>>8163763
yea but I feel ugly as shit and dysphoric and hrt doesn't feel like it's doing anything

Wbu senpai?

>>8163679
>So ladies, did you do anything as a kid that would have been an early warning that you would end up trans?
I don't think so

>>8163790
>>8163796
it was definitely weird
i mean she was kinda old and probably didn't want me to end up a faggot

>>8163776
y'all ain't worth my gp wtf

>>8163783
Pretty blossoms.
>>8163786
Doubtless lots of you are! I do agree that tumblrite snowflakes that say they're nonbinary trans and take no steps to transition are a plague that needs to be purged, however.

>>8163804
*hacks ur account*

Things are going pretty well , I'll probably not have to kill myself

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>>8163804
birdy

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>>8163679
Not really desu
The only thing was making my dad take me to the powerpuff girls movie several times but I was always too scared to do anything sort of feminine bc I thought I would go to hell

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>>8163787
Thanks senpai
>>8163805
there's so many right now, it's such a perfect time

honestly i used to think pandora said some accurate or reasonable things but now that she started this whole anti-nb crusade she's gone full retard. Like yeah there's some issue of nb people pretending to know all the difficulties of medically transitioning but it doesn't mean they aren't trans lmao.

Also she fucking went to a support group id'ing as male so what the fuck senpaitachi

>>8163812
i went to see the powerpuff girls movie with my mom

but everyone liked the powerpuff girls as a kid, the boys just didn't want to admit it

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>email from work at 11:50pm saying my first day is tomorrow
yeah, that's fucking great. pick the night I'm having a mental breakdown and hurt my boyfriend too.

Why give me a decent notice? It's only my first fucking day. They didn't even tell me it would be this week, it's my first time hearing about a schedule at all.

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>>8163813
>tfw it snowed yesterday here in the frozen north
>tfw things won't start blooming for another month at least

>>8163679
>So ladies, did you do anything as a kid that would have been an early warning that you would end up trans?
i guess my first memory was asking my grandmother when I would grow breasts, and was told never, and then wearing one of her 50s/60s conetit bathing suits to show her how pretty breasts would look on me and getting a thorough ear pull spanking and arm pinch.

>>8163815
if i went to a support group id'ing as male would you scold me for it

>>8163798
>yea but I feel ugly as shit
probably not ugly :)

i'm a guy, i might do what you're about to do though, you mind talking with me for a bit? i dont want to do it alone anon.

>>8163809
succ

>>8163805
I am unsure if those tumblr people you describe actually exist. though I think if they do and you were actually able to talk with them they probably feel different than people on 4chan and reddit say they do.

>>8163822
it would be ok if you went there and pretended to be questioning, not ok if you say you're 4 months hrt but want ppl to call you 'he' because you don't pass, why the fuck are you even there

>>8163815
>but it doesn't mean they aren't trans lmao.
no, but it means that they're an entirely different category from binary transgenders
and us getting associated with people who turn being transgender into identity politics just results to us being alienated the same way we would by people who outright don't accept transgenders

>Also she fucking went to a support group id'ing as male so what the fuck senpaitachi
i mean i told people i was trans but i just asked them to refer to me as he.
because i identify as a woman, not trans.
being seen as trans causes about as much dysphoria as being seen as male.

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>>8163818
You could honestly go to HR with that. You should have a certain amount of prior notice before a schedule. I'm actually having the same issue with my own managers right now. Fuckers put up the final schedule for tomorrow, today. If they can't get it together I might go higher up so they'll have some real pressure to take their job seriously.
>>8163820
Poor Mainer~

>>8163820
Where are you at? I go to Uni pretty close to the Minnesota/Canada border, and it smowed this week.

>>8163815
even when she was saying some reasonable things the rest of what she was saying was fucking stupid. shes just a liberal idiot I think

>>8163815
What about medically transitioned nb like me

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>>8163679
sheesh you ladies drive a hard bargain.

Flash2: ~~Buying gf 775K OSRS~~

>>8163679
>So ladies, did you do anything as a kid that would have been an early warning that you would end up trans?
to many things to list.

>>8163785
>being a binary transgender involves both dysphoria and transition
Maybe I need to reword it. Some masculine, feminine, and nonbinary transgenders don't have dysphoria. Some of them transition, some don't.

People can have an absence of gender. They can also have both programmed in to varying degrees.

>>8163831
what if i just go there don't say anything and then leave

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>tfw your gf is the only thing that makes you want to live but you can't make her want to live

selling gf 2mil + 500 paypal

>>8163824
I'm a huge pussy so I'm not even gonna do it I'm just fucking depressed and feel worthless and don't care about shitting up this thread with my whining. Why are you depressed anon?

>>8163838
are you really nb? I'm starting to contemplate I might be NB.

i need to inform myself more

If I take estrogen for years and got voice surgery, but I try to use a fake male voice and tell everyone I'm a man (except my mom, I give her shit constantly for misgendering me and dead naming me) and I wear girls clothes and get maamd and stuff and that feels pretty nice...

What am I :(

>>8163679
>So ladies, did you do anything as a kid that would have been an early warning that you would end up trans?
When I was really young I dressed in my sisters clothes to look like a girl in my class
Most of my friends were girls
Emulating girls posture and mannerisms
More cross dressing
Really confused by my gt
Feeling around for a vagina under the skin
Lots of other things I'm sure

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>>8163833
I mean, I can't go to HR to bitch on my first day.

What the fuck how is this fair

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kind of a blog post inc:

sometimes i wonder if i would have ended up trans if i didnt get molested for so many years. even tho i was a really feminine kid i didnt consider myself a girl or have any gay thoughts since I was so young. heck i even remember having a few crushes on girls in the early parts of grade school

but i hated being molested so much i started crossdressing even more to kinda disassociate myself with it somewhat and make it easier to bear if it was with a girl persona and not the "real" me. my reasoning at the time was like if im more girly it'll be kinda sorta less gay if the "real" me wasn't there. the thing is tho even though I was absolutely repulsed by that horrible stuff I did really really love dressing as a girl and i would do it even during normal times it just happened more frequently after the girl persona thing. just stuff I've thought about. idk maybe i always was gonna end up as a tranny bc i crossdressed and loved being feminine even before all that stuff happened for as long as it did but i cant help but wonder if that influenced it or accelerated it in some way or if transition was just bound to happen no matter what

/blog

There's a light at the end of my tunnel

It's a muzzle flash

>>8163859
I think so, but I wouldn't be happy if I couldn't convince people I was one or the other then with a pitch change and some clothes

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>>8163815
Oh hey it's my favorite communist. What's up?
>>8163830
Maybe.
>>8163833
Yeah well, it's the price I pay for living in the best state.
>>8163835
Maine, about four or five miles from the Canadian border.

>>8163861
just be you're self

>>8163832
>blaming enbies for transphobia
>being perceived as trans makes me dysphoric
dude did od'ing on paracetamols make you dumber or something?
>>8163837
i suppose yeah
>>8163838
you need to stop that it's getting really old. See a therapist if you're actually confused.
>>8163844
that's ok, it's what i did the first time because i'm an aspie fuck. A nice ftm did chat me up and we talked about "the shining", was cool.
>>8163863
you should go to HR, don't be a doormat, they need you as well.

>>8163867
nope

>>8163872
what happened when they called on you and stuff

>>8163865
Please don't link being trans to being molested, it's fucked up

Replace trans with gay and you can instantly tell it's internalized bigotry

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>change my Facebook profile pic, people are liking it, feel like I don't look cute and girly enough in it, want to change it, but don't want to seem too vain
REeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>8163863
I mean, it's not fair. That's life sometimes, and certainly work most of the time. If you can't go, reply and tell him you can't and explain you'd appreciate notice further in advance. Otherwise shrug, acknowledge it sucks dick, and go in.
>>8163870
It's okayyyyyyy

>>8163858
multitude of reasons really, i'm successful in life actually, i'm just not happy with it, there's alot of reasons. i'm bi, and all i wanted was a normal life, with a normal partner, someone who i could sit with on the sofa and cuddle with while watching TV.

But as it turns out life has a funny way of not working out how you want it to, i just wish i did it all differently, but the truth is, im just tired of it.

you got discord or something anon?

>>8163872
I have two therapists and a doctor

They don't solve things for you, they listen

>>8163872
>>blaming enbies for transphobia
no, i'm blaming them for butting into a label meant for people who identify as the opposite sex and making us look like bigger freaks than we already are

>>being perceived as trans makes me dysphoric
what's the problem with this, exactly?
why the fuck do you think i'm transitioning?
i'll give you a little hint
it's not so that i can become a shemale pornstar

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>>8163879
It's the BEST.

>>8163856
2mil + 500 pp? how about i give you a 3rd age long sword for one gf?

>>8163844
I've just gone, introduced myself, then shut up for the rest of the time.

>>8163877
just say you would like to pass on the intro please

>>8163868
thus sort of explains how i currently feel.

but to be honest, i dunno if it's just because I'm just 6 months in and don't have ebough passing expeeiebce

>>8163875
I'm getting closer and closer to it!

It's beautiful!

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>>8163872
>you should go to HR, don't be a doormat, they need you as well.
It's McDonald's, they don't need me.

I'm fucking shaking right now. I was already super stressed about this. I was already having a panic attack tonight about other things.

FUCK. FUCK.

This isn't fair.

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>>8163887
Can we live there? That looks beautiful.

>>8163894
please don't

please stop that

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>>8163895
Calm down, if you cant go, tell them. They'll reschedule, you will be okay.

>>8163886
>it's not so that i can become a shemale pornstar
But that's your entire vibe

>>8163891
what'd you say

>>8163892
idk i might still freak out

maybe after laser and my hairline gets better

>>8163900
loll

>>8163865
follow up thought: was i molested because i was trans or am i trans because i was molested?

i dont think it's the latter though because even after it stopped and i got therapy to get over depression and suicidal thoughts i still wanted to be a girl it just become way more intense with time and i thought I was just fucked in the head since at the time I had no clue what transgender even was

>>8163841
>775k
Imma need 5.5m my dude.

selling gf 6m + 2000 pp

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>>8163898
I can't reschedule my first day of a job.

God, why tonight. This is bullshit, I've already been crying for 3 hours.

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>>8163896
Yeah sure, that was the street I lived on before I moved in September. Pic related was up the hill behind me when I took the street picture.

>>8163861
I can't tell you what you are, but I've seen statements all over the board from you. Time to write your thoughts and feelings down and then ponder them. Take a few weeks to collect them together. You will feel different at different times. Not that too.

>>8163865
More than likely the trauma of it happening set you back...

>>8163882
they can help you with things to think about.

>>8163906
You were likely molested because the perp thought you were an easy victim.

maybe if i get fat my face will pass

>>8163904
nim no one there cares at all what you look like. I understand if you feel uncomfortable with it that is fine but just understand that in that space other people aren't going to care

>>8163904
"Hi, I'm (deadname). My friend told me to come check this out so here I am; I'd just like to obverse tonight if that's okay." Something like that.

If you just make it known you don't feel like talking they won't put you on the spot or anything.

>>8163877
"Hi, I'm Eirini, i'm 22, boy to girl (people there talked like this so i just went with it), i do a master in mathematics in Eindhoven, been on HRT 2 months"
someone else didn't introduce themselves so thats cool too.
>>8163870
sup?
>>8163882
idk dude you sound mtf but really like spamming an mtf board about how you aren't a woman so vOv
>>8163886
no enbie id's as a transexual though?
>they make us look like bigger freaks than we already are
really makes me think tbqh
>whats the problem with this?
I'm just saying you should learn to separate your internalized transphobia from your dysphoria
>>8163895
you should go ESPECIALLY if it's macdonald's. Calm down, call them, tell them a day is too short of a notice and you can't come tommorow because you have very important family issues.

>>8163906
Predators know instinctively who would make a good victim

A boy with docile female body language would probably paint a bullseye on you

>>8163880
Yeah I do. Post yours and I'll add you?

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I've been thinking -
Is anyone else here transbian but does stuff with guys cause they're lonely?
I'm so stressed... Even 1.5 years in and passing and I still don't have it figured out. I've kinda just made the assumption that cis lesbians hate us?
It's like - what do you do when you get everything you wanted but it turns out it's not what you *really* wanted? Soul-crushing loneliness wasn't something anyone mentioned. Kinda wish they had because it would have definitely impacted my decision

>>8163878
>>8163865
i mean I knew I was a girl before I knew about sex. i was made to understand it was wrong and I met some person who was trans and I was so happy because I thought they would understand. I was 5-6 and I wa like: hey! I'm like you. and she was like hey! this is what happens to boys who want to be girls.

and that made me hate myself and feel disgust at myself and made me repress more than I should have.

so no to thatv gf

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>>8163913
>I can't reschedule my first day of a job.
Yes you can, he offered the opportunity, and it's only training, it's not like you're needed right now.
>>8163915
I love it.

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>>8163918
-_-

>>8163927
I don't like being called a guy, I don't feel comfortable being a girl

>>8163929
stranger#9863

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>>8163927
Not a whole lot right now, just being comfy. I may make a sandwich then get back to Fallout 4.
>>8163938
It was amazing, the best pizza I've ever had came from there, and the place delivered, too. Mind the frogs, though.

>>8163868
lol the wikigender page. it made me cringe but some things made sense
http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Demigirl

i think i might be a bad person

>>8163917
you're probably right. after that i had massive identity and sexuality issues for so many years and i bottled up so much homophobia it was unreal

i didnt want some faggot making me into a faggot like him so i overcompensated in literally everything and hated myself for being a crossdressing freak yet still crossdressed in private despite all the homophobia. it was a real mess that took forever to unfuck

but even tho i know who and what I am now done small part of me can't help but wonder if that event happening as early as it did (6 years old till 15) and for as long as it did didn't contribute to anything identity related. i know it sure as heck did a shitload of mental harm

>>8163927
was it at like a lgbt center or something?

the one near me is kind of a drive :(

>>8163919
i dunno maybe im nervous it'd be like a "im trying not to judge but JESUS CHRIST" kinda reaction from people ;-;

it'd be behind my back i know but still >>;

>>8163933
There are lesbians that do this

Trust

>>8163944
It could be fear of the vulnerability of being a woman.

>>8163927
>no enbie id's as a transexual though?
they id as transgender
and it's not like people make the distinction
we're all grouped together in one big ball of ugliness because they use the same term as us

>want to be biological woman
>get identified as trans, thus not actually female
???

>>8163933
there are plenty of cis women who like transgirls
maybe people who outright identify as lesbian don't, but i have bisexual / pan friends who wouldn't have a problem dating anyone trans

>>8163951
if you bully people on the internet you ARE a bad person.

>>8163954
... no nim there are prbly going to be people there pre hrt still look completely like their assigned gender you would be fine. also make sure the group you go to is for youth like the one I went was anyone under 25

>>8163918
Your face passes reee

>>8163963
i don't do that though its for other reasons i am feeling

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I don't know what to do, why did tonight have to be so awful?

>>8163954
-_-

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>>8163918
From personal experience, I looked far more like a girl when I was skinny (So now I'm trying to lose weight)but I think it varies from person to person
>>8163933
For me it's the opposite: I'm 100% attracted to men, but I am thinking of asking a girl I know out because I'm too autistic to go meet gay guys and I'm not ready for girl mode, but I would really love some companionship.

>>8163940
>>8163918
>cute girl crying about how she doesnt pass

>>8163954
My support group has a 70 year old person that decided to just not transition because of her age.

Support groups are just that, supportive. No judgement or anything and you'll probably be really far ahead of a lot of people there.

>>8163972
just try to get some sleep and do your best tomorrow.

I haven't been here for awhile and don't know the new trips but wow this Pandora person is literally retarded. If you look like a man gender politics and the binary is what would fuck up your life if you started presenting anyway you insufferable retard. Not NBs. Who do you think is keeping you out of women's bathrooms, some afab person who wants to be called they or the same cissies ur trying to win over with ur stupid respectability politics?

>>8163956
Fear of the vulnerability of being a trans girl

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well i guess everyone filtered me.

yay I'm sorry for being a flawed person..

i love u all and I hope your dreams come tru.

take care

>>8163979
You should see the erotica they write.

>>8163944
in what way do you not feel comf being a girl?
>>8163948
sounds neat honestly, im getting up soon and going to a breakfast bouffet with the friends im staying at
>>8163954
we dont have these, it was a trans youth group. I'll join an lgbt student union in like june tho
>>8163958
people not making the distinction is their problem not yours.
You're literally saying gay people should just act less gay and it's their fault they get discriminated against LMAO
>get identified as trans, thus not actually female
lol you're saying trans women aren't women here.
>>8163972
listen to what me and grace are telling you

>>8163982
See you in a week.

>>8163979
refer to >>8163698 for my quick run down on pandora

>>8163950
Fucccckkkk that

>>8163982
hugg

>>8163989
lmao bitch.

>>8163918
>>8163975
>maybe if i get fat my face will pass

Also wondering this, at least temporarily. My body doesn't really pass for a dude anymore but my face is lagging behind. It looks a lot better than when I started but I still don't have any cheeks at all :/

>>8163975
being skinny makes my jawline more prominent

>>8163970
>>8163976
n-no

>>8163973
anne

>>8163967
there's also a fear that someone i know will see me

im not out to anyone but my therapist irl

>>8163985
where did you meet? how'd you find out about it?

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>>8163679
>did you do anything as a kid that would have been an early warning that you would end up trans
You do realize that legitimate transpeople contextualize themselves as female from day one... correct?

reminder pandora considers herself to be one of the most intelligent posters here

>>8163717
finished preparing the dough, it's gotta cool in the refrigerator awhile now, mixing that stuff was harder then I thought D:

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>>8163985
>listen to what me and grace are telling you
i am but i still don't know what to do. i was panicking the past three hours and now this, this is too much stress i can't calm down.

>>8164000
i had chubby cheeks pre-hrt but they've kind of sunken in

i think losing like 10-15 pounds probably contributed to that tho

>>8164006
LMFAO

>>8164003
hi

>>8164003
if anyone you know is there they will also be a homo or gender weirdo and know not to out you to everyone

>>8163985
I feel like an imposter in the girls bathroom

I feel bad for using being a woman as an excuse, like I think I scored lowest in the police test because of no testosterone and age, but I still feel bad for not being as strong as a guy

I feel bad trying to date any girl who is lgbtq like I'm an imposter

I feel bad wearing girls clothes in public

aayyyyyy i ordered my brace

rib flare and pe be GONE!

also i can use it as a corset too so slimmer waist too :)

>>8163979
>presenting female without passing
i'd rather be seen as a normal man because at least i can be indistinct

the problem is that trans get grossly misrepresented, due to fetishists, trenders, etc. even to people who are supportive, they associate you with flamboyant gays and misinformed teenagers. when all you really want to be is a -normal girl-

>>8163985
>lol you're saying trans women aren't women here.
i'm saying i identify as a biological woman and want to be identified as such :)

>>8163985
Nice. What do breakfast buffets usually serve in the Netherlands?
>>8163996
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>8163993
i unno it's like i just feel defeated. maybe this is what giving up feels like.

remember when you told me transition wasn't for eveybody

>>8164017
hi hru

>>8164018
yeah maybe

i just think people would be surprised to see me there..

>>8164027
>remember when you told me transition wasn't for eveybody
how do i tell if it's for me?

I want to choke on a gun barrel while someone pulls the trigger

>>8163981
is there much difference? Living a female's life as a trauma victim, any unknown guy is a potential perp. My last therapy session was mostly on this. The paths of fear are heavily worn in my brain. I tend to dwell on the negative.

>>8163982
*HUGS*

>>8164034
but you'll did that way

>>8164028
i am good but vry tired from partying forever this whole weekend but i also got to spend time w/my bestie and go buy makeup and some other dumb shit and im good

>>8164038
okay don't party too much tho okay

>>8164045
>>8164009

the problem isn't -just- NBs, really, it's overacceptance and trans being seen as an identity
NBs and trenders are as much a symptom as anything else
>go to 'trans friendly' lesbian discord
>it's literally a quiet bunch of cis girls and loud transgirls who are constantly talking about hrt
doesn't that go against what it means to be trans? isn't it a bit of a problem when people are trying to accept you as female and you work so, so hard to prove them wrong?
at least before, transgender issues not being such a flavor-of-the-month deal meant that you had to -act- female and couldn't go around talking about your dick and balls
it makes me feel sick to see transwomen working so hard to distinguish themselves from actual women
and what's even worse is when they come up with 'transwomen are women too!' to excuse how hard they try to separate trans and biological women

>>8164023
>The problem is that trans get grossly misrepresented, due to fetishists, trenders, etc.

Nope, the problem is that cis people don't like that the majority of trans people, at least from their point of view, look like men in dresses. Nothing more, nothing less. That's the beginning and end of their perception of us, there's no misinterpretation whatsoever.

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>>8163955
>>8163958
This chills me out a little to hear, thanks buhs. How do you approach something like that though? It's so fucked because most people just assume I like men. And it feels totally gross putting myself out there, because in the event of something not working out, I'd just assume it's cause I'm a gross tranny. I'm fragile, I really might kill myself for reals.
It feels gross putting myself into real womens' spaces like that. It's so messed up.
>>8163975
Don't lead her on, dude. That's fucked up.

>>8164009
>>8164050
how long did it take :o

>>8164056
like 35 minutes to make the dough, mixing it was pretty difficult for me...

>>8164037
Good

>>8164045
i already did nim i was out till 6am lasrt night partying it was so lit wtf im dehydrated

>>8163933
>I've kinda just made the assumption that cis lesbians hate us?
thats not true maybe you just dont know the right cis lesbians

even if we genocided every person who doesn't strictly conform to what cis people say a trans person is they would still call us disgusting mentally ill faggots. 'trenders' are just a convenient target to punch down at

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>>8164019
*hugs*

>>8164056
>>8164050
you two are dating.
you dont text each other or something instead of talking here?

>>8164051
I bet you hate AGPs too.

>>8164073
mostly use discord

>>8164059
i didnt realize it took so long

>>8164036
Yes one is fear of being victimized one is fear of being found out as a fake

>>8164052
>Nope, the problem is that cis people don't like that the majority of trans people
haha, what a coincidence!
i don't like the majority of trans people either!
well, not really. but i am really, really disgusted by a lot of the things i see them do. eliminating transphobia is a big step in the right direction, but encouraging overly vocal idiots to make us look like freaks, in the name of acceptance(!), is another step back.

these things make me feel really, really gross
i hate being trans enough without seeing other, passing transgirls act like morons
they should have it all, but instead they're in a female space talking about their hormone regimens and posting pics of themselves as dudes

>>8164074
i don't really hate anybody who's trans, NB or otherwise, but i just really don't like the way they behave
but yeah, trantrans using transition as an excuse to act like fetishists in public is just gross

>>8164061
now stay in bed so i can hook up the iv okay

i'm kinda getting ahead of myself here so i'm just gonna shut up
i'm not in a good mindset rn and i don't even know what my political views are right now
i'd like to have compassion for NBs and whatnot but it makes me feel really, really dysphoric and gross when other trans people further the divide between transgirls and biological women

anyway i'm going to stop stirring the shit and go play vidya
sorry

>>8164085
pandora worst mtfg poster

I don't want to kill myself anymore but I had to drink
That seems to be the only way to make it go away
Is that bad

>>8164086
okay

>>8164091
yeah

dont

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>When some punk ass bitch posts a little witch so now you cant

>>8164089
This. Everyone should filter that retard.

>>8164089
i agree
i'm gonna go post porn on /v/
i need to take a break from 4chan desu

this person on a game server just told me to do the dishes and take out the garbage

>>8164092
and some hair ruffles alright

>>8164094
Post a smol witch instead.

>>8164091
do you want to suicide pact (w/ me, obviously)

>>8164100
yeah sure okay thats nice too

what else ya got?

>>8164103
u gotta consult me before u let someone in on it

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>>8164094
you should avatar with yaoi

>>8164093
But it feels good and I don't have to drink much at all to get drunk anymore because of hrt
>>8164103
Based...

>>8164106
some lunchables and kool-aid

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>>8164101
Have a tiny dangan instead.

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well this is me

>>8164106
im not about to let u kys lol
>>8164109
if u want to drink instead of suicide thats fine too though.

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>want to cuddle bf and just forget about today
>his gallbladder has him incapacitated in bed at his place
>feel double bad because can't be there for him and he can't be here for me

haha life is great haha just kill me :^)

nutmeg is growling in his sleep what do i do

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>>8164115
is this you too

>>8164115
*gobbles u up*

>>8164099
Are they your mom?
>>8164113
Now I want pancakes, thanks.
>>8164115
Gay Hylian.
>>8164118
Poke him.

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>>8164063
Maybe that's true. I've been thinking about putting myself out there more lately, is it okay to put myself in normal lesbians' spaces like that? If I was a 6 foot hon it might be different, but even still I'm worried about getting a negative reaction. That sort of thing eats me up, I don't know.

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>>8164115
Someone should gift you a gerudo outfit and then post a pic of you in it.
Just sayin.

woweee i knew i was co-dependant, but i didn't know that li wouldn't leave bed save for like whatever without having my bf around
is there any quick solution to not be like dead when someone isn't near you

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tfw boyfriend goes home

>>8164129
>6 foot hon
nice..

Is there a way to smash ones ribcage? Because I fucking hate my ribcage.

>>8164117
:(
Hugg

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>>8164138
The impact of hitting pavement after jumping from a tall building should do it...

>>8164138
im gonna start bracing mine but i have rib flare so it's feasible to get down a few inches in underbust

>>8164112
oh cool

idk if you know this but i made groceries the other day and bought some lunchables but one fell out of the bag while it was in the trunk and got left in and i didnt find it until two days later

it was a disaster

>>8164116
YEAH THATS WHY WE HAVE THE PACT COS U WONT LET ME AND I WON"T LET U GET IT

>>8164135
did you two have a nice time?
>>8164118
wake him up with a pillow fight

i was going to post something mean but i probably shouldn't desu
sometimes when i'm feeling bitchy like this i try to make people dislike me
anyway i guess i'll see all of you in 3 days

>>8164116
Either is fine. Or both

>>8164118
Pet and Hugs and Sings to him

>>8164119
lol yeah
>>8164122
pls no vore
>>8164126
FIGHT ME
>>8164131
id do it desu that sounds fun

>>8164083
Anything that makes me think about being a rape or violence victim again triggers me hard. It really sucks knowing I get stronger feelings towards men than women, but the fears from past incidents are all there getting in the way.

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Reading other threads in this board makes me so glad I'm not a lesbian.

Cis women are really awful. Making yourself vulnerable to these people just seems terrifying.

Kudos to any lesbians here who can manage, I couldn't.

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i tried to take a picture of nutmeg nappin but i just ended up with this abstract painting instead

>>8164144
why are you buying lunchables anne

>>8164145
mhm, I miss him.
we cooked dinner together
and walked around the city
and cuddled...lots of cuddling

>>8164155
u live in my belli now

so when does my face stop looking boney

>>8164157
pro tip a lot of the lesbians who post on 4chan are similar to the rest of 4chan ie they are terrible people

>>8164167
more pizza
>>8164163
that sounds lovely!!

>>8164157
Of all the lgbt people I've interacted with over the years, cis lesbians are commonly the worst people.

>>8164170
i eat popcorn today tho that's good right

>>8164174
put popcorn on pizza like a topping

>>8164161
because i want to dammit

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>>8164157
alot of 4chan lesbians have severe autism and some are self hating trannies pretending to be cis.

irl ive actually had the opposite experience with lesbians and they've treated me the same as any other girl (even had a few flirt)

>>8164155
tfw no gerudo beep gf

>>8164082
would of went faster if I wasn't so weak :\

I should probably he a mixer

>>8164185
get*

>>8164185
ill be your mixer ^^

>>8164180
I take people as they go, real life might prove me completely wrong. But I don't talk to anyone in real life, so I'm just glad I don't need to try interacting with lesbians on 4chan.

>>8164182
Gib snowy howler or rescue fluff.

where does motivation come from

>>8164177
Madness...

>>8164196
ur mom

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>>8164170
it was~
I was even more confident with like...showing affection
even though I am still 4everboimode .-.

>>8164196
the pituitary gland

>>8164177
ahhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>8164196
within...

>>8164204
that's not a boymode
also damn you're smol
>>8164207
>>8164198
you're afraid of INNOVATION

>>8164196
Tanya desu

>>8164190
><

>>8164217
I'm only 5'3

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>>8164158
nice

reading the book of job rn damn this is some crazy shit ngl

>>8164196
Cindy desu

>>8164226
can you it buy it from me

$2k paypal

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>>8164003
in the netherlands we have the COC, which is a govt organization that manages all sorts of citizen-run events, grouls, initiatives, etc. It was on their website.
>>8164006
lol
>>8164013
awww
i know, work stress sucks
hugg
>>8164019
sounds like another case of internalized transphobia tbqh
>>8164023
ok, you will be a biological woman after srs and getting secondary sex characteristics, you'll still be trans tho.
Like i get you're trying to cope by pretending you're not trans, but its much better for your mental health if you just accept it and ibternalize that trans women are women
>>8164026
I'm in Rhodes (greece)
idk its a hotel we're going to sneak into(jk we'll just pay for the breakfast only) and they have a really nice breakfast there.
>tfw infinite food
>>8164051
the point is to broaden the definition of ehat it means to be female
>>8164064
pretty much lol
>>8164085
>internalized transphobia: the post
>>8164088
you should go back to /pol/ imo you're almost down to their level
>>8164157
/lesgen/ is cool tho

>>8164217
Nuuu, that just sounds kinda weird.
Maybe Elanna will try that on her pizza!

>>8164238
don't give her any ideas...

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I think I hyperventilated...

>>8164235
oh that's cool

yeah id have to drive like 25 minutes to get to one >>;

>>8164235
Internalized transphobia is hating or blaming yourself for those actions, or using your self hate to judge others

Imposter syndrome and legitimate fear is not the same thing

>>8164235
Ah, I feel like I heard you went back to Greece for a bit but forgot about it.

>>8164243
i travel 2 hours by train to get to it ^^

>>8164246
ahhhh D:

is it worth it?

id have to take the bus or an uber x-x

>tfw one spent so much time trying to ignore gender that one has no conscious idea how each gender acts.

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>tfw just a boy on hrt

>>8164244
you're a trans woman but you feel fake because you transitioned because you internally feel that trans women aren't really women.
Idk what you want out of this discussion anyway but whatever
>>8164245
>not remembering every minute detail of my life that i share here
baka senpai
>>8164249
yes, talking to people is worth anything, i want to stop being a sperg+fight my depression and thats a good way to do both

>>8164200
no nim thats incorrect

>>8164205
but HOW do i unleash its mysterious power??

>>8164210
???????????????

>>8164218
>>8164232
this is SO confusing

>>8164256
same

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>>8164256
same
>>8164226
ok

okay am i banned yet

>>8164180
you don't have to self-hate to identify as a biological woman lmfao

>>8164235
>>internalized transphobia: the post
>you should go back to /pol/ imo you're almost down to their level
>the point is to broaden the definition of ehat it means to be female
ok but i don't identify as a transgender woman
i want to be seen as a biological woman
SRS isn't even a crucial thing for me, it's just being perceived as female
anything but is worse than boymode
it doesn't matter whether or not you internalize trans women as women, when you say you're trans, people are automatically going tos top thinking of you as an actual woman and start thinking of you as a TRANS woman
that means they're going to be like, omg you're so brave
they're going to want to know what it's like
they're going to tell you how well you pass
they're going to pity you because you're not a biological woman

and stop calling me /pol/ just because i want to be treated as a biogirl lmfao

>>/lesgen/ is cool tho
>calling me transphobic
>defending a general that is actually transphobic (though admittedly for good reason, since it forces trantrans to act like women)

>>8164258
Given some of the minutia that I remember from here, that's not as unreasonable as you think it is, lol. I hope the hotel turns out to have a good breakfast, I'm gonna go make that sandwich I talked about.

>>8164269
ok

>>8164272
FUCK YOU PUT YOUR TRIP ON

is it that hard to understand that as soon as you out as trans you're going to be associated with caitlyn jenner and pictures of non-passing fifty year olds and tumblr kids
yes, sure, it's something i'd tell friends, but i'm not going to try to advocate TRANS PRIDE like some people do
why the fuck would i be proud of a medical condition

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>>8164226
>>8164234
oh im a dummy thats yours

i need sleep

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presenting female and being treated as such helped me a lot with accepting myself as a woman. it took a little adjusting for sure but it might help some of you girls. I def stopped thinking of myself as fake or a boy after i got rod of all my boy clothes and presented female only since it stopped being something I did sometimes to me just being me all the time (and me happens to be a woman)

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>>8164285
beep sleep

>>8164279
he fears me
dw though hopefully i'll be banned in a few minutes
idfk
i posted pokeporn on /v/ but all i got was muted for 15 minutes lmfao
believe you me buddy, i don't like myself when i'm behaving this way either

Why do the insane ones always drop trip and keep posting?

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>>8164286
seems so far off to me

>>8164291
fuck you you are so fucking stupid don't misgender me you idiot

>people without leukemia wearing tshirts that say "leukemia pride"
>people without tuberculosis telling people that they identify with having tuberculosis
>people with gonorrhea organizing a gonorrhea pride rally

all us other fuckers be like
whatcha doing kid
hey
um
yeah look just because we fucked some fat guy over in the philippines doesn't mean we're like those guys
i'm pretty sure they don't even have it lmfao

>>8164286
its not enough

good night buddis
goodnight buddi nim

>>8164296
>anonymous
>complaining when people don't recognize you
and then we have THIS GUY
this guy right here
say hello to the runner up for MISS AUTISM 2017
and be sure to say it slow so she can understand you

>>8164294
look buddy if i'm not banned in five minutes i'm going to start round 2
i only dropped trip because i don't want to be posting pokeporn on /v/ under my name

>look up trans support group
>no age limit
worrying..

also some autist i knew in middle school is a tranny now too so she might be there >>'

dead

>>8164302
goodnight lil beeper

I need a couple more light strips, but I really should make them 5100k units.

>>8164260
it's the only safe source.

>>8164294
pot kettle........

>fantasies of being violently raped and mutilated then murdered are back

I should spend some more time away again or I'm going to sadpost too much.

yeah okay maybe the janitor was a furry
or maybe he had pity on me because i posted battleborn porn

>>8164312
>fantasies of being murdered romantically by a lover never left
we're going to the
BONE
ZONE
the fun thing about bone zone is that it COULD be sex
or it could be a cemetery
YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW

tfw you've become a "literally who" trip