Does being gay mean that I am obligated to support trannies?

>>8140931
No
You should be more supportive of yourself, anon
No

>>8140931
obligated? no

does not doing so make you an asshole? yes

>>8140936
But I am not a fairy.

>>8140939
Having different political opinions makes me an asshole?

>>8140931
No, I'm gay and I don't support either of those things. Also, don't listen to people like this >>8140939. Transgenders have a mental illness and need help, but feeding into their mental illness is not helping them. Flamboyant fags are annoying as shit and need to stop. Straight people don't prance around in thongs under the guise of being "fabulous". Stop trying to impose your faggotry on other people. Left wingers and right wingers both make good points and bad points, so whatever side you choose is supportable.

>>8140931
No
No
No

>t. gay left-wing tranny supporter who doesn't care if other people act feminine or not

>>8140971
I dont mind fems. They make good bottoms and even I am slightly fem.

When I saw fags I mean the type of guys you can tell that are gay from the other side of the room

>>8140954
"i think our government should not spend too much on social welfare" is a political opinion

"anyone who speaks with certain vocal inflections and uses specific hand gestures that i don't like is worthless" is not

neither is ignoring the objective fact that medical and social transition is the only way to relieve gender dysphoria

>>8140985
That's nice.
I don't care how other people act as long as it doesn't affect me though. I couldn't imagine wasting my life like that desu

>>8140986

Different anon but what is "social transition"? Does that mean I have to pretend like a real man and a trans man are one and the same? Or just use "he" pronouns?

I don't mind the latter if it helps them feel better about their dysphoria or whatever. But the former is just stupid. I want a real man no offense.

>>8140986
not true, the suicide rate stays the same
we don't tell schizo's that the radio is talking to them

>>8141003
This. You're not helping them at all.

>>8141003
>>8141010
The suicide rate doesn't stay the same though.

>>8141003
>i don't know how to interpret studies: the post

>>8141003
>>8141010

Also there's many viable proven treatment options for schizophrenics other than 'telling them the radio is talking to them' so to speak. There's none for gender dysphoria besides transitioning. You want to take away the only viable treatment options trans people have with no alternative. So you're certainly not helping either.

No
No
No

Why don't you try thinking for yourself

>>8141040
i dont want to take it away from them I just dont want to pay for it.

>>8140998
it means a trans person living as their actual non-natal gender, which doesn't really have anything to do with how you treat them.

>Does that mean I have to pretend like a real man and a trans man are one and the same?
well...yeah, as a matter of basic respect. obviously you don't have to date or have sex with one if you don't want to, just understand they want the same rights as any other human and just want to live their lives. at least, real trannies do.

>>8141003
>>8141010
oh please

anyone else got the links bookmarked? i don't have time to get into this again

>>8141051
Nice position switch

>>8141059
No its not a position switch. I am all for people doing whatever they want to themselves. I would just prefer not to pay for it

>>8141066
>I am all for people undergoing chemotherapy or getting casts to fix their broken leg. I would just prefer not to pay for it

>>8141076
Correct

>>8140931
No, it only makes you obligated to support junkies, ass-pies, losers(or in more proper words, depression cases), kleptomaniacs, bipolars and schizos.

You know, your kind, aids-hole.

It only makes you obligated to side with the left democrats 2/3 of the time, you may go with the republicans the other 1/3, and may only support the libertarians a maximum 1/8 of the time. Since you're not a tranny faggot, you may not support greens more than 1/12 of the time. And nothing else more freakish than those!

Of course, Bongland is so damn gay to begin with you may side with the Torries up to 40% of the time if there, with a minimum of 15% support for the liberal democrats.

>>8141054
>>8141025
>>8141019
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

>Does it make me obligated to be left wing?
Fuck no. If it did, Milo would be too. Left wingers would tell you yes tho.

>>8141149
much appreciated

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>>8141149
Just to direct you retards to the right spot.

>>8141162
Those are links showing that transitioning is ineffective, just so you know. I don't know what anon you are but you might think they support SRS

>>8141149
broken link try again
>>8141163
source or it didn't happen
ps: science isn't real
fake news all of you

>>8141460
>news I don't like is fake news

>>8140931
No but if your not a sadist you should be a left wing LGBT member

>>8140931
Does being gay make you obligated to b8 this hard, faggot?

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if you buy into the whole trans ideology you completely dissolve the concept of gay in the first place. their aim is to utterly destroy the ability to distinguish biological sexes. ask a trans activist/supporter to provide a standard for what makes you a woman or a man and invariably the answer is based on a subjective assertion. this is the ultimate emperor's new clothes bullshit, and straight men are being uniconrivally refererred to as women while they make youtube videos complaining about lesbians that are discriminatory "vagina fetishists" for not sleeping with them. i mean for fucks sake. the suicide rate for the medically transitioned is HIGHER and this is a study from SWEDEN. SWEDENNNNN. the most progressive country on EARTH! this push to transition kids is fucking child abuse - it communicates the idea that there is an essential truth behind you interests or how you "feel" and the effect of this is parents transitioning tomboys and effeminate boys. it's this fucked up sort of gay conversion therapy that everyone is apparently a-ok with. the LGB community have been utterly spineless about this. there is no "gay" when "your genitalia preferences are discriminatory." this is the biggest fucking crock it astounds me on a daily basis that this somehow continues to gain so much traction.

You don't have to endorse trannies or fairies. but you should probably be left wing considering it's in your best interest.

>>8142441
Conservatives aren't really homophobic anymore

It's 2017 mate

>>8142376
I agree with everything in your post.

>>8142444
Mike Pence wants to use our tax dollars to electrocute gay teenagers. He's the Vice President. Yes they still are.

>>8142452
Even if he wants that he is never going to act on it retard.

He is also one person.

>>8140959
>gender policing
go kys

>>8142468
>tranny accusing someone of gender policing

topkek

>>8140931
No, kill all non-TruTrans trannies.

No, I don't want the support of disgusting mascfaggots. Kys

No, but failure to support us marks you for extermination. You're also a cuck.

>>8142478
>he thinks you need to be masc to hate flamboyant faggots.

Thats so cute

>>8140931
Yes
Yes
No

Fags whining about "flamboyant fags" should be sent to ISIS and thrown from a roof

>>8140959
>Transgenders have a mental illness
So do fags, especially masc fags obsessed with being "manly"

>>8142485
Puta

>>8143780
im not masc but I still hate flamboyant fags

t. a normal gay guy

Also trannies have nothing to do with gays, we have no obligations to them, they pigeonholed themselves into the acronym

>>8144554
>normal
>gay
Pick one, fag. How are you better than trannies and flaboyant gays?

>>8145261
Because I am not completely and utterly insufferable and I have a personality that allows me to relate and socialize with normal people

>>8145279
>normal people
With drug addicts, single moms, adulterers, autists, religious believers, gluttons, niggers, retards, gamblers? Everyone has something bad in their personality

nah u can be a judgemental cunt if you really want to

>>8145380
>not supporting trannies makes you judgemental

I'm ok with trannies, I just don't want to pay for them

>>8145430
I don't want to pay for other people's education and health, so what?

>>8145464
Thats a fine opinion to have

>>8145473
It is

t. Ayn Rand

>>8145485
Reminder that there is nothing wrong with Ayn Rand

>>8145464
Why do you think people are entitled to things like those and transition at other people's expense?

>>8141149
I ignore this because it is spammed by pol so much

>>8145867
>I ignore facts because they are so truthful that they are used as facts

>>8140931
Yes
Yes
Yes

Be an ally not an edgelord

This is /pol/ trolling. sage and move on.

>>8146583
>being a gay guy who hates fairies and trannies is trolling now

This is a new level of projection

>>8140936
Fpbp

>>8140986
Tbf, flaming faggots provide no value to society. Name one thing they did right

>>8146583

The OP actually does bring up some compelling questions even if he is from /pol/.

Democracy tends to be about collective voting blocks. Does being gay, mean you have to be part of this LGBT block? Many would say yes, others would say no. But by asking you realize that gayness, like many other things (class, race) is a trait that is targeted to gather votes.

>>8140931
>admitting to being gay
>using the word fag
>using the word tranny
>not being left

this is EXTREMELY problematic

>>8140954

Yes, it make you a big assasshole : the asshole of asshole.

kill urself

>>8140931

right is historicaly the most conservative, exploiter, racists in all forms, and are also those who killed the all lgbt people killed for this.

right count religious integrist, royalists, ultra-liberalists, conspirasionists. They are mostly fanatics and always think that their ideas are "the reality" when leftist always doubt about all.

Hitler was ultra-liberalist (and not socialist, he hated communists and left in general).

I don't say it to create a Darwin point, i just saying that right are fanatics. and as you see, as time goes, ultra-liberalists are more and more fanatics. Trump is a premise of what right is going to inflict to the world again.

>>8146963
This is bait right?

It doesn't make you obligated to be anything but yourself, but ideally it's nice if you let others be themselves as well.

>>8140931

if I were a college kid I would say

I N T E R S E C T I O N A L I T Y

actually I am a college kid

so


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>>8147066
is this bait?

>>8147135
NO
O

>>8140931
No. It just makes you gay, you fucking idiot.

>>8140931
I FOUND IT

AN ONLY 30% RETARDED FAGGOT

>>8141102
Well guess what: You already are!

What do you think insurance premiums and taxes are? If we had actual, socialized medicine, the population would be healthier in general, and the taxes paid to socialize medicine would be about the same if not less than all the hidden costs that a shitty health care system racks up.

Bottom line is, you're paying for it one way or another. There is no such thing as a society that "doesn't pay for it" and there never will be. Fucking moron.

Gays should support trans people because we are on community. LGBT.

Gays should support "flamboyant people" because otherwise you have internalized homophobia ("straight-acting gay guy") is extremely homophobic.

Gays should be democrats unless you are a sadists

>>8140939
Nigga I'm gay and I hate other gays, trannies are a big no-no too. Stay true to your values, OP

No one all three (same goes for bis like me).

>>8147135
No, it just makes sense.

>>8148699
interectionaltiy means I have to be left wing and support flamers and trannies?

How does me having buttsex mean I have to support flamer fags and trannies?

>>8149970
This is going on way too long for something that should be as simple as "don't be a psychopath", so I'll appeal to your self-interest instead.

However open you think those around you are about your being gay is, if you surround yourself with people that negatively judge flamboyancy or people that are trans, you're constantly going to be on a tightrope of what they fimd acceptable. It may not be today, it may not be tomorrow, but eventually, and almost inevitably, they will turn against you, and tag you in with those people you have issues with, and because you have issues with them, because you can't accept them for who they are, they won't accept you either.

So I guess go ahead if you can confidently guarantee things are always going to look up for you and you'll never ever need support.

>>8147135
Intersectionality = "if you don't support radical islam and illegal immigration you deserve to be killed and raped just like we want the muslims and hispanics to do to you"

>>8149990
In my life I have never received any hate for being gay.

I have however received tons of hate from liberals for being conservative.

Funny eh?

Modern conservatives aren't really homophobic anymore, we just hate flamer fags.

>>8149990
>being conservative makes you a psychopath

I'm hoping I can have atleast 10 more years before thoughtcrime becomes a thing personally

>>8150024
Well, that's kindof the backlash of the whole sports team mentality people have about the two parties. They're no longer looking at the individual but at some predisposed caricature they're goinh to immediately base their interactions off of.

You know, stereotypes.

Which honestly just comes off as weird and cult-like. When it comes to the parties, I could go either way (ha, bi joke) depending on the subject, but if you lool at the whole of both party's beliefs, they contradict themselves a lot.

A lot of conservative beliefs for example, center around independence and the ability to choose, but then condone a lot of privatization by businesses and religions that very actively work at taking that away.

Liberals on the other hand, while similarly wanting everyone to have the ability to choose, also want everyone to have the opportunity to by undoing centuries of policies and ideals that have made it so that people have an unfair advantage or disadvantage. But then they completely ditch any drive to do so to avoid conflict, while simultaneously passive aggressively demonizing what is essentially half the population.

So both sides are often wrongs, and both sides are often hypocrites, but that's because they're human.

We're all incredibly fallible, and tend to be a hypocrite when it comes to ourselves compared to others. That's exactly WHY it's ridiculous to judge any group though.
I'm no better than you, and you're no better than me, OR the flamboyant gay people or trans people. We're all a bunch of insecurities just sort of winging it through life in different ways. When you just wave off a person, let alone a whole group of people, you're basically saying there's nothing at all for you to learn from them. You're limiting yourself and shutting doors basically because you don't want to interact with something you don't understand. You're letting your fear rule you, just like liberals attacking conservatives right off are letting their fear rule them.

>>8150024
>anecdotal evidence

What if I said I've received hate for being gay AND for being leftist. Now what?

>>8147658
congratulations. you are free to think whatever you want. you're still an asshole.

>>8150109
Ok?

>>8150117
Exactly.

>>8150109
>hating fairies perpetrating stereotypes and crazy people makes you an asshole

Really activates those almonds

>>8150126
yes, that is what i said. thank you for summarizing it.

It's ok to be a tranny or a faggot.

It's not ok to group homosexual men with trannies or faggots however

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>>8150157
>It's not ok to group homosexual men with...faggots

>>8150165
the cognitive dissonance in these ppl is hilarious
its like being at a zoo

>>8140931
being a decent person obliges you to the first two, and also the hooks we have in your advocate community

you don't need to be leftwing tho

>>8150165
There is a difference between a fag and a homo

Fags can't seem to understand this

>>8150157
Well yes obviously gay men have nothing to do with AGP trannies.

>>8150207
gays have nothing to do with any trannies

>>8150207
True. Only HSTSs

>>8150241
a lot of people who at first identify as gay later identify as trans. it's very much a direct feature of the gay community

>>8150241
Anon, it's mean to say HSTSes aren't trannies.

>>8150267
This isnt true

>>8150267
I know you can say whatever you want, but at least base it on some sort of reality.

>>8150423
[citation needed]

>>8140931
Why shouldn't you support trannies as a gay person? You're both mentally ill because of trauma during childhood

>>8150511
Thats like saying people with depression need to support people with schizophrenia

>>8150483
>but at least base it on some sort of reality.
hah!

>>8150555
>gays have depression and trannies have schizophrenia

This is actually a fair analogy.

>>8140931

>no

>no

>yes unless you want to be contrarian for the sake of your hipster ego

>>8150886
How exactly is it contrarian to be a gay conservative?

>>8146654
They make good clothing designers and interior decorators.

>>8149990
>This is going on way too long for something that should be as simple as "don't commit thoughtcrime", so I'll appeal to your sense of fear instead.

>However open you think those around you are about your being gay is, if you surround yourself with people that negatively judge acting like an attention-whoring asshole, you're constantly going to be on a tightrope of what they find acceptable, because I think all gays are inherently attention-whoring assholes. I mean you have to you're going to be on a tightrope even more so with us leftists because we will assault/rape/character assassinate you over simply having an opposing opinion, but that's not important. It may not be today, it may not be tomorrow, but eventually, and almost inevitably, they will turn against you, and tag you in with those people you have issues with, and because you have issues with them, because you can't accept them for who they are, they won't accept you either. I have no evidence to back this up and there actually is a mountain of historical examples of my group acting in such a way, but that's not important.

>So I guess go ahead if you can confidently guarantee things are always going to look up for you and you'll never ever need support.

>And THAT is why you need to surround yourself with violent, emotionally-unstable/psycopathic political extremists that will either assault you or ruin your life for disagreeing with them, and Muslims that want to kill you, because some conservative nerd on the internet might call you a faggot.
FTFY

ITT: Edgelords

>>8141149
Oh wow this study again. It doesn't say that SRS is ineffective, it says that SRS alone, without any psychological care before, during, and after, might be less effective at curbing mental instability and comorbidity than SRS alongside psychological care. The suicide rate isn't "higher" for trans people after SRS compared to trans people without SRS. It's just higher for trans people as a whole, SRS or no, compared to the general population of cis people as a whole, even if SRS mitigates the chance of suicide ideation in a great many trans people. The hatred from society doesn't go away after you get SRS, nor does the abandonment you may have experienced from family in friends, the social stigma, any sexual, physical, or emotional abuse you may have suffered in life, the baggage caused by years of unaddressed dysphoria, any other mental issues you may be suffering from (schizophrenia, bipolar depression, OCD, etc.) It just addresses a prominent aspect of physical dysphoria and that's it. It's not a panacea in the least, but it's not without its use to deal with a specific issue.

Look at it this way. A person's arm is bleeding profusely, as well as multiple areas on the rest of their body. If you staunch the bleeding in the arm, and they still die from their other wounds, it doesn't mean that staunching the bleeding in the arm was inherently a bad move that led to their death.

Poor logic like this from the politically charged use of quote mined scientific papers leads to shit like anti-vaxxers, global warming denialists, and GMO scares.