How to Make FFS Money Before You Die

>>8134617
i have no idea OP i am a hon and feel like kill myself everyday

>>8134617
Do the crowdfunding thing, offer sexy pics and cam sessions as rewards.

>>8134617
you're not going to make it.

>>8134810
Yeah I kinda know that already.

>>8134824
ow

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>>8134617
You really shouldn't be as traumatized as you are, you seemed fine in your picture. The flaws were minor, most wouldn't notice them. And minor surgery could easily fix all your problems. You're in a good place, so why die.

What do you have that you could do?

You probably have many different paths and lots of different strengths.

I finally have a path to hoarding the money for it and might have it in somewhat over a year. So maybe I should start trying to get letters for it.

Of course that's assuming I don't break and wreck everything before that. I'm already insane, and it could just be BPD why I want this. Good chance I could get what I want and regret it.

>>8134617
idk i'd toss you a few dollars if you crowdfunded

do you think you could survive trade school, become an electrician or welder or something? they make a decent wage, even if the work is shit, and it might take a bit more than three years

either way, you really do look good how you are, and i'd be sad if you killed yourself

>>8134617
so... in the what... 10+ years you wait to do this, how masculinized do you think you'll become? you're only getting worse

>>8134649
this

Sorry guys, I got lethargic and fell asleep

>>8134984
Thanks for the encouragement, I think you have a path to happiness too though. Don't second-guess yourself and what you want TOO much, yeah it's good to be introspective and junk, but not so much that you don't even take that first step.

Btw, how are you able to hoard money? It's cool that you're gonna get there in a little over a year, that's pretty soon. And I'm sure you're not totally insane, not to say that crazy people are inherently bad or anything, but you seem pretty chill.

>>8135110
I don't think it'll take 10 years, and I don't think I'll masculinize very much in that time? I don't actually think I've masculinized that much since I started hormones, aren't AAs supposed to prevent that to some degree?

FFS doesn't work anyway so really you should save your money. No, im not being sarcastic.

>>8136766
explain??

>>8136770
it's the "FFS reverses itself with time" meme

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I've been thinking more about this and I'm really scared. I just want to be myself, but I'm afraid all these years of NOT being myself have permanently donked up my brain, and like, my soul or whatever. What if I'm not ME anymore, because I went through all this bad stuff? What if the real me is the version of me who actually transitioned early, and spent her whole life as herself, and didn't need FFS or validation from strangers? I wonder if she's out there somewhere, happy. I wonder how she would feel about me.

>>8141104
Why do you think that you weren't recognized as applicable for early transitioning?

>>8136766
>>8136770
>needing ffs to pass anyway
you're a hon

>>8134617
Buy a vacuum sealer and sell drugs over the internet.
Start a porn site on tumblr.

Go to some coastal community in an area where there is a harsh winter. Find the largest, fanciest house and burgle at will.

>>8141104
you're probably just a masculinized (mentally and physically) version of that person if that makes you feel better

>>8136471
Professors and others helped me get a microbiology fellowship. I'm honestly not intelligent or talented at all. But people thought well of well of me. I just need to keep functioning long enough. You probably have a lot of ways you could move forward and get your goals, I'm sure if it.

And I'm honestly not sure if it isn't just a combination of BPD and BDD that's making me insane

>>8141906
>you're probably just a masculinized (mentally and physically) version of that person
That makes me more insane

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>>8142004
Whoa that's actually really cool, congrats.

>>8142020
I honestly don't care about any of this stuff or have any talent for it, I'd rather just surround myself with animals or stay in bed or something. But it just ended up happening, so I'd better not waste it.

>>8142020
Thank you though, and I'm sure you'll gain what you need soon.

>>8142014
true i guess
you can't reverse mental masculinization the same way you can physicality, can you?

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>>8134617
>Commie-chan here
LUL look at this little Marxist pauper begging for handouts sooooooo CAYUTE

Listen you little shit. Find a daddy that will help you and put you in stable situation so that you can complete a code monkey degree so your stupid commie ass can ..... you know..... GET A JOB, establish credit, and then finance the surgeries. Yes I know Capitalism is hard to understand for people like you that are too lazy to even think for themselves, and expect everybody to "crowdfund" every facet of their life.

You also dont type like any cis girl I have ever encountered.... no offense :^)

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>>8142180
Carth what did you mean when you said that you had talked to my "abusees"? Who exactly? I already know one but you implied that there were more.

Get a job as a software engineer for a big tech company like Google. You'll save enough to get FFS after a year.

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>>8142203
So I ask you questions for a month and you ignore me, and now all of a sudden you want to blow me up over information I have no reason to give you?

My nigga pleaaaaaaaaaaase

>>8142180

>You also dont type like any cis girl I have ever encountered.... no offense :^)

>tfw pretty sure I don't pass in text chat in a game I play

Though I'm not OP.

>>8141324
this!

>>8142206
this
also very good for managing dysphoria because you get to sit behind a screen all day and don't have to talk to or look at anyone

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>>8142180
I'm a democratic socialist. And I said in the OP that I knew a GoFundMe probably wouldn't work. I would never take hand-outs from the people who care about me, they've already given me too much in my life. I'm doing this on my own, I just wanted to ask people for ideas on how to raise money, and I'm thankful for the people who actually did post ideas, even if some of them are illegal.

And your last comment is basically an unfounded personal attack. Why do you hate me? I never really did anything to you. Please stay out of my threads from now on.

>>8141906
Mental masculinization doesn't really exist, stop peddling brain sex myths that are just gonna make rv-chan feel worse about herself. There is male socialization, which can really fuck people up (just look at how later transitioners talk over cis women and early transitioners). But I think my trauma is a way bigger problem than whatever socialization I may have suffered in the two years between "early transition" and "failed transition", which is when I was running around trying to get hormones before it was "too late" (it was). And presently, I'm almost experiencing TOO much "female socialization" whenever I go out, so I don't think I'm at a deficit right now.

Besides, my early-transitioning self would probably be way more masculine than me, because I would finally be able to cut my hair off like I've always wanted, and I would be able to wear whatever I want (probably not very feminine clothes, probably not makeup very often). It would be so freeing, y'know? She'd be the perfect tomboy from a parallel universe, I'd hug her and we could go out doing her tomboy things, like running through fields and graveyards, and then we could do my feminine stuff, like drinking and dancing and throwing up on the couch.

>>8143100
Why wouldn't GoFundMe work for you OP?

Explain about male and female socialization?

>finally be able to cut my hair off like I've always wanted,
Why do you want short hair?

>>8143519
>Why wouldn't GoFundMe work for you OP?

I guess because it's pretty much unfeasible to make 25k with a crowdfunding campaign, I don't have enough rich friends. And I don't want to be like "well how about you just give me SOME money" because that's not right, I don't want to charge people when they might not even see results from the money they paid.

>Explain about male and female socialization?

Basically, the longer you stay male-presenting, the more you're socialized as male by your environment and the people who respond to your presentation. So, much older transitioners have a lot of male-socialized behaviors from a lifetime of living as men, and they tend to be the loudest and most overbearing, it's sometimes hard to get a word in. Although there are also problems with insinuating that women are the "quieter" sex (there are actually a lot of misogynistic implications to the arguments that TERFs like to make about this), but male socialization is still very real and it can mess you up forever. Just look at all the trans MRAs on this site who support Trump and think feminism is bad for them. Or even just more tame stuff, like the stereotypes about anime and video games, although I think those behaviors are a little more harmless and endearing.

>Why do you want short hair?

So I can be a real pseudo-bi lesbian, and not just a weird bushy-haired femme who gets hit on by guys and never ever girls.

>>8143607
>I don't have enough rich friends.
Pitch yourself to get support from strangers?

>Basically, the longer you stay male-presenting, the more you're socialized as male by your environment and the people who respond to your presentation.
Besides loudness, anime and video games what are the male and female socializations that you've felt?

But you will have had short hair when you started your transition. Did you get hit on by girls then? Either way just hit on them yourself.

>>8143100
>Why do you hate me?
I dont hate you I am toughening you up for when you become my little bottom bitch, I dont like weaklings baby girl.

>Please stay out of my threads from now on
Sorry comrade this is a collective, no one person owns any of these threads... everyone's input is supposed to be shared between us :^)

LUL

>>8143703
All chasers are either repressing agphon in denial or faggots in denial who just want to dominate femboys but go after MTFs to feel less gay. Which one are you?

>>8143100
>Mental masculinization doesn't really exist

So does this mean you think gender identity is socially constructed as well?

>>8145386
she's blanchardpilled on gender identity.

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>>8145393
>thinks mental masculinization doesn't exist in some capacity
>being blanchardpilled

how?

>>8145415
It's less being Blanchardpilled and more because Trent was the one who redpilled me on the fact that nobody actually has a "female" or "male" brain. Although I'm still kind of suspicious, there has to be some reason for gender dysphoria that can be physically measured, 2D:4D ratio is one clue.

>>8143636
>But you will have had short hair when you started your transition. Did you get hit on by girls then?

I last had short hair when I was like 13, and I was mad uggo back then. No girl ever hit on me until after I transitioned.

>>8145415
blanchard is compatible with the blank slate.

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>>8145452
how is blank slate compatible with the hsts group in blanchard's theory?

>>8145440
>gender dysphoria that can be physically measured, 2D:4D ratio is one clue.
they typology made a lot of sense if you could reduce it to one group being Jenner/Susan's and the other group being the others. It's so incredibly obvious then.

I still see no real difference between most of the Hsts or AGP here. There's many obvious exceptions of course. But even more where there's no meaningful dif.

Maybe there's a better correlation to typology if we went by 2d:4d and other stuff for this situation. So that makes you all "HSTS" then?

>>8145547
hsts and homosexuality are caused by childhood experiences.

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>>8145723
.........

>>8145723
Why the correlation with things like hormone imbalances in utero then? It's probably the same kind of disease you find in ana and bdd. Animals can have them, they're a medical condition.

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>Commie
I can fix your face for you just get a little closer.

>>8145766
their body and their mother post-birth both influence someone's childhood experiences.

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>>8145828
>their body

How does this not at least to some degree invalidate the blank slate theory then?

>>8145847
I like the cat pictures

>>8145847
if you have paler skin you sunburn easier. does that invalidate racial equality? no.

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>>8145864
I'm talking about the idea that hormone imbalances in utero contribute to the development of GD / hsts brains being somewhat "intersexed" from birth, I remember having conversations with you about how hsts brains were more likely to be more similar to the gender they identify with in comparison to a*ps, do you not still believe this and if so how does this not conflict with a blank slate theory?

>>8145944
>GD / hsts
I'm certain they'd find the same thing for the poeople they put in HSTS if they controlled for age and digit and other stuff.
The only AGP they've studies are old men who aren't like most of those here.

>>8145944
>*****how hsts brains were likely to be more similar to their opposite sex in comparison to a*ps***

>>8145944
i've always believes in the blank slate. brains can be different while still performing the same functions and they will diverge as someone ages depending on how they are used. this has already been seen with other things and will be eventually shown for sexuality too.

>>8146095
But then wouldn't we have to get rid of all gay people, since they're an aberration? Or do you expect society to be more accepting of our illegitimacy by then?

>>8146142
>aberration
>illegitimacy
will you stop putting words like these in my mouth?

>>8146163
No, your ideology necessarily leads to the public perceiving us that way, which is why it must be stopped here and now on this board.

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>>8146095
Okay

>>8146169
no it doesn't. you can't stop it anyway.

>>8146202
I don't have to, some other trans woman or trans organization will stop it long before it even becomes public knowledge. Evil never wins bro, first rule of being alive time.

>>8146223
truth wins.

>>8146163
How dare you tell me I can't call myself an illegitimate aberration

>>8146233
The accuracy and "truth" of the typology, exactly as it was written by Blanchard, is highly debatable as well. You know all this shit needs to be verified by science and further studies, we probably have only a very incomplete picture of the "truth" behind gender dysphoria.

And besides, let's say it WERE true. It would easily be buried as long as we can sell a more palatable (and politically correct) lie.

>>8146233
Faulty science and anecdotes ain't truth.

>>8145440
>Although I'm still kind of suspicious, there has to be some reason for gender dysphoria that can be physically measured, 2D:4D ratio is one clue
i've always seen 'i have a 1.2 digit ratio' threads about the same way i see 'i have a 145 iq' threads
/tttt/ does not seem to realize, for instance, that the majority of cis women have digit ratios below 1
>>8145452
>>8145723
>>8145864
>>8146095
blank slate is blatantly, collosally bullshit
you don't have to go full biodeterminist, but you can't reasonably discuss reality while assuming all people begin identical
>>8146291
>It would easily be buried as long as we can sell a more palatable (and politically correct) lie
anon, what do you think the gender identity meme is in the first place?
have you seen how well that's working out for us now? there's a reason terfs and similar types of people are getting exponentially more mainstream attention -- the cracks in the gender identity narrative are so clear a toddler with down syndrome could see them, and the science sure as hell doesn't support it, especially if you're going to apply the same unreasonably stringent definition of 'support' you do that makes you claim blanchard's typology is unsupported
if you're going to argue that your opponents are evil and then turn around and say you want to make up lies so people will be too stupid to learn things, maybe you're the evil one

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>>8147972
Holy shit that wasn't you? see this is why you need a trip.

>>8147972
by "you" i'm referring to

>>8145864
>>8145828
>>8145723
>>8145452
>>8145393
>>8146095

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>>8147972
but you have trutrans hands, i saw them

>>8147992
i have a 0.86 digit ratio, but i also know that's a crazy rare outlier and in places where people aren't Lying On The Internet i don't usually encounter anything similar/the feminine equivalent of it
>>8147982
>>8147990
>tfw people arguing wrong things poorly get mistaken for me because they have a similar typing style
inb4 'but blanchardposting is arguing wrong things poorly'

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>>8148014
>complaining about not using a trip

I only thought it was you because A: that person claimed to know why commie chan was a certain way which is similar to something you would do, B: similar typing style C: "le truth wins meme"

>>8134617
>make otc "shake'n'bake" meth
>sell
>????
>Profit

source:meth is so easy to make and makes so much money beacause of addicts. You will have money for all surgery within the year.

>>8147972
>anon, what do you think the gender identity meme is in the first place?

That's exactly what I was talking about. Also, I'm not exactly anon, you know which poster I am. Also also, you're wrong and I hate you.

>>8148823
>Also, I'm not exactly anon, you know which poster I am
i can recognize a lot of people by their typing styles, but can't seem to place you
most people with recognizable typing styles are at least blanchardian-adjacent
>Also also, you're wrong and I hate you
:(

>>8148831
>>8148823
also i should make it clear again that i am not the person you were debating with in the rest of this thread and do not endorse all their statements (specifically, i don't endorse the blank slate hypothesis)

>>8148831
Well I mean, let me ask you, what do YOU personally think is the reason for gender dysphoria? Like, what is the motivation for us to transition? If you believe it's purely psychological or sexual (which would be a little weird considering your criticisms of the blank slate), then obviously you're evil and wrong. We don't choose to transition, and we're not trans because we were abused as children or because we didn't have a mother or father figure, or because we have AGP or AAP, or because we think it's going to be fun. We transition because we have to, because there's probably something wired wrong that we can't change. And I'm not sure how you, as an HSTS (although the reason you latched so hard onto that identity is probably because you were abused by AAPs in the first place), could deny something so self-evident. Unless you really truly believe that you transitioned because you're a hyperdyke or something.

>>8147972
>blank slate is blatantly, collosally bullshit
[citation needed]

>>8148856
transsexualism can be 'something wired wrong we can't change' and also 'purely psychological or sexual'. i'm not sure how those are mutually exclusive, *especially* if you reject blank slatism (= reject all but the most well-supported environmental explanations for things). the motive for transition is either a most-likely-inborn 'neuroanatomical androgyny' on the same spectrum of existence as cissexual homosexuality or a most-likely-inborn sexual orientation where one's erotic target is oneself, depending on whether the trans person in question has a certain cluster of traits (gender-non-conformity, attraction to natal sex, genital avoidance) or not. 'transsexualism is something wired wrong we can't change' is not an alternate hypothesis to blanchard's, it's just an extremely broad conjecture where the typology is the subtype of it with the best support.

>>8148870
*'spectrum of experience', not 'spectrum of existence'

>>8148831
>i can recognize a lot of people by their typing styles,
Who are the people you recognize?

>>8148895
cara, commie-chan, rv-chan, survey anon, masc repressor, artposter, diseaseposter, fiona, carth, terf anon, skull-chan
that's just off the top of my head
other people can always recognize carth because he's obvious and more often than not recognize diseaseposter, cara, fiona, and skull-chan, but less often than you'd assume
there are more people who are escaping me right now

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>>8148870
Not really, I think at this point you're just taking an overly optimistic view of Blanchard's work so that you can keep believing it. You know that he doesn't really care about us or believe that we're real women and men, right?

>the motive for transition is either a most-likely-inborn 'neuroanatomical androgyny' on the same spectrum of existence as cissexual homosexuality or a most-likely-inborn sexual orientation where one's erotic target is oneself

But like I said, neither of these allow us to be seen as real women or men, that's kind of concerning to me. I'm not a hyperfaggot, nor am I a straight guy with a misaligned erotic target or whatever. I'm just a girl. But I think you're too far gone for me to get through to you at this point.

It's just so dumb that I'm supposed to be the one who hates other trans people because they ruined my life or whatever, but I seem to be the only one looking out for them on this site.

>>8148916
i was hoping it wasn't you :(
>You know that he doesn't really care about us or believe that we're real women and men, right?
i am aware of this and don't care
the people who are putting trans people in mri scans expecting everyone to have opposite sex brains don't either
the people who prescribe hrt don't either
the people who perform surgery don't either
nobody does and when you realize that you'll only then realize what you're up against
>But like I said, neither of these allow us to be seen as real women or men, that's kind of concerning to me
people are not going to believe intentional lies either, and if they look past those lies without guidance they're going to *actually* fall for the 'a*ps are falsetrans' meme shit
if you don't think this is happening you aren't looking at what's going on outside of natgeo covers

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>>8148925
>i was hoping it wasn't you :(

Why? You keep pulling this shit even though you know I don't like it, doesn't seem like you care. This is the reason why I broke things off the first time, remember?

>nobody does

Well now you're just being pessimistic. My endocrinologist believes that I'm a real woman at least.

>and if they look past those lies without guidance they're going to *actually* fall for the 'a*ps are falsetrans' meme shit

How is that much worse than "all trans people are essentially members of their birth sex and can never be real women or men" meme shit?

>if you don't think this is happening you aren't looking at what's going on outside of natgeo covers

Yeah, because I'm SO concerned about fringe Reddit subs. You really think people care about TERFs or give them any credit? I'm more concerned about traditional fascists and conservatives. Why are you so scared of TERFs in particular?

It's weird, it's like you fearmonger about everything except your AGP theory, which actually has the potential to damage us.

>>8148916
>You know that he doesn't really care about us or believe that we're real women and men, right?
Are we?

>>8148014
>>8147972
>you forget there's also ethnic groups where over 1 is more common. At any rate a huge outlier seems like evidence for some sort of abnormality

>>8134617
I got my funds by teaching in Hong Kong (presenting as a 'gender queer' guy with long hair, mascara and andro clothes was np at my company). Anyone westerner with a degree can do it - HK's low tax rate + living frugally meant I was able to save 7000usd per year. That for 2.5yrs = my FFS. Now 8 months post-op with Dr Bart and couldn't be happier; Srsly glad I didn't sudoku :3

>>8148870
>>8148925
> 'neuroanatomical androgyny' on the same spectrum of existence as cissexual homosexuality or a most-likely-inborn sexual orientation where one's erotic target is oneself

But you know what might be the case. It's almost certain the feminized stuff only held for effeminate gay men. The people doing the study probably grabbed people who looked like they came out of femgen. They wanted a nice neat result so they deliberately picked samples that would give them that.

I'm certain that if you controlled for physical androgyny and controlled for 2d:4d you wouldn't see a difference between masculine gay men and straight men. After all there isn't a 2d:4d correlation with being gay.

Same thing goes for trans, the only studies we've seen had really old nontransitioning manly men for AGP. So of course they were men. I bet I you controlled for age and 2d:4d the an AGP group built with people like the ones here would have hsts like "neuroanatomical androgyny" as well.

I know 2d:4d is flawed but has a known cause and if you use that age and physique to normalize you'd get more valid results

>>8148925
>>8149519

Also, I'm not saying blanchardisim is outright wrong. And all of your observations make plenty of sense. But there's no need to trust everything he and others say when some of it was loaded dice.

Wouldn't it be better if down the road you could test all of this stuff with good controlls, refine the theory and have something even better?

You've always been nice to others and helped people, me included during my low points, so I'm greatful for that also.