My MtF trans friend said that they become more retarded when

>>8121215
No, crossdressing actually improves coding skills.

>>8121215
I dunno, I started having a lot more focus-type errors and got really bad at fighting games real fast (I had been pretty good, now I can't win to save me) but I got a lot better at interpretive tasks and (amusingly enough, from a stereotype point of view) racing/driving games.

I'd say the nature of my intellect changed some, but I've still got most of what I had. Just a few smoothed/roughed edges. YMMV.

>>8121280
>but I got a lot better at interpretive tasks
What do you mean?

>and (amusingly enough, from a stereotype point of view) racing/driving games.
kek. So despite being boy games, they use a skill that's more female?

>>8121290
It's an old stereotype that women are bad drivers

>>8121280
For what possible reason would this even happen? Did the drugs fuck with your brain or something?

>>8121215
that looks comfy as fuck

>The more you indulge your mental illness, the worse off you're going to be.

Wow, I'm shocked

>>8121311
>Alienware

Kek

>>8121215
I've been getting straight A's since I started estrogen.

>>8121305
Could be placebo or could be hormones really do mess with your brain

I imagine focus-type errors are a result of change in emotions.
Focusing as hard might not be as emotionally rewarding so you give up certain tasks easier.

No idea if anything besides emotions are drastically changed.

>>8121290
>What do you mean?
Like in dealing with people and social situations, where being able to interpret people is important. Interpret needs, wants, that kind of thing. Maybe 'interpersonal things' would have been a better choice of words, but creative thinking also seems to be a lot easier for me, particularly in colors.

>kek...
As 8121298 mentions, I'm referring to an old stereotype. In my parts the joke used to be the only time a woman could drive straight was on an S-curve.

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>>8121280
>am ftm
>got better at fighting games and worse at racing games after being on T for some time
What the fuck

I heard that your perception of objects in space gets worse on E and I started bumping into things a couple of weeks ago

>>8121215
I think as the dysphoria dissipates so does your self policing and anaylizing every thing . I don't nearly pay attention anymore to people who don't interest me

>>8121343
>>8121280

women confirmed best drivers

>>8121305
I kinda assumed it was natural. I remember hearing some other people describe an 'estrogen fog' and I just mapped the experience to that explanation with no idea whether it was true or not.

Like I said though, it's pretty minor on the scale of things. Even beneficial overall, as I'd much rather relate to people better than I want to hit a couple buttons a split second faster (given a choice). Previously, I couldn't hardly speak to a soul.

i gained a huge amount of confidence and ability to function and be assertive but i got a lot more daft and ditzy- i think it could just be being happy and overthinking less. i've always been a clumsy scatterbrain but you get more of a pass as a girl.

>>8121335
>social situations, where being able to interpret people is important. Interpret needs, wants, that kind of thing. Maybe 'interpersonal things'
That's interesting. Which part are you actually better at? With fighting games, there's obvious things like reaction time, but what's behind this change?

>but creative thinking also seems to be a lot easier for me, particularly in colors.
Examples?

I got the racing joke. The interesting question is which skill they need that fighting games don't.

>>8121358

Well they're insurance sure is cheaper.

>not becoming an mtf so you pay 100 less a month on insurance

>>8121290
>>8121280

driving's a pretty feminine skill desu. Everyone pretends it all 'big balls', but it's really about who is the smoothest and most consistent on the wheel. I'm surprised there aren't more female race drivers

>>8121328
You can be retarded and get straight A's just by putting the work in because you think it will change your life. You probably just do the work now because you feel better not because you're smarter.

>>8121332
I think it has some social aspects since a lot of men think women are dumb or will simply argue you are wrong 'because you are a woman'. Experience it enough and you might even start to believe it.

>>8121378
>Which part...?
Mainly in the relatability. Always before I would have trouble 'connecting' with people. I could listen, but other than some stilted, spergy /r9k/-tier response, I couldn't do anything. In retrospect, I think maybe I was too busy being 'manly acting' (in the vein of 'acting straight') to be able to properly connect. Once I got on E, all that dissipated quickly. It was like T was a poison or something, something that was making me 'run strangely'. Like tossing sugar in a gas tank. Also, my anger just...vanished. I mean, if I'm truly, soundly hurt I can stir up some anger but damn it takes effort. Now I just want to care for things, and that makes it easier to relate also.

>examples?
Floral designs would be a prime example. I went from a white house with white walls and a single picture to floral designs I make, scrapbooking, and now I'm working on acrylic painting.

As for which skill, I couldn't tell you. I don't like the racing games a ton (my bf is big into them), but its undeniable I went from being trounced to winning bout 40% of the time or so.

They warned me that hrt might change my personality and interests. I didn't really listen but it honestly did. I don't care about technology at all anymore. I've always been pretty dumb but I'm extra dumb now.

>>8121412
I can't really play guitar anymore tho. Nor do I really care.

>>8121280
>got really bad at fighting games real fast
How can you explain all the mtf ssbm players, then?

>>8122288
>fighting games
>ssbm
pick one

>>8122319
What would you call ssbm then? Use simple words, I don't play many video games.

ummmmm

yes

>>8121228
I see you are from /g/. Just like me.

>>8121630
What happened?

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>>8121215
HRT shrinks your brain. I would imagine it that has some impact on your brain

>>8121215
>they became a girl
They believe they became a girl, so yeah, they're retarded.

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>>8121280
Explain Ricky Ortiz and Gllty

(I know gllty isn't that good in comparison to most actual pro players but she's still massively better than the average player)

Apparently the hormone replacement therapy reduces the size of grey matter within the brain to female limits - although MtFs start off with mental faculties of men. But while the grey matter decreases - white matter does not grow. This means that females have more white matter to replace grey matter but MtFs simply shrink their brains without growing the correct amount found in females. Kek

http://www.eje.org/content/155/suppl_1/S107.full.pdf

>>8122773
I-I didn't want to use it anyway!

>>8122773
>tfw repression route proven right after all

>>8122773

Just in case you don't know what this means - grey matter contains the neuron cell bodies. White matter contains axons. Having less white matter means not having as many wired connections in the brain. This is what scientists suspect give women the upper hand in multi-tasking and why women are unable to essentially "turn their brains off" like men can, women are constantly thinking.

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>tfw a year on HRT and noticed no difference in my intellect, skills, videogames or anything at all
meh

>>8122848
The only thing I noticed is a massive drop in weight, easier time getting drunk, and now when drunk I am better at fighting games. HRT makes me drink. God is an angry lesbian.

>>8122860
>and now when drunk I am better at fighting games
well looks like i have something else to test out

I've heard stories many who were 100% into women but transition into female themselves start becoming attracted to men instead, is this true?

>>8122877
I went from Pan to Ace

>>8122877
Well the stories are true, but it's not scientifically proven so there's the possibility that it may just be placebo. So, who knows

>>8122882
also I mean dating a gay woman or straight man would be validating as Fuck. its why I prefer them

>>8121358
Makes sense, with testosterone making you more reckless and all.

for a second I thought I must've clicked AGP gen by accident reading this thread...

>>8121280
I actually would be pretty sad if I got worse at video games. I'm currently a high diamond league of legends player and if I just started to suck I would be pretty depressed honestly.

>>8122909
Not far off!

>>8122994
MC?

>>8122998
I play Akali and Irelia. I'm pretty good at both and I seriously would be sad if I dropped from d3 to like plat due to transitioning.

Yes, estrogen made me retarded, it causes all of the random irrational bullshit women do

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>>8121215
If she said that, then she was retarded already before transitioning.

>>8123275
Well yes, hence "more retarded" as she said.

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I am just now getting into crossdressing and I am getting very stupid, very fast. I can turn it on and off but I go long periods of time thinking about nothing but makeup or cock, not even kidding I'm talking days. I'm afraid it's going to get worse, like weeks and weeks and I'll just end up another one of those airheaded twink bimbos with an obnoxious lisp. I'm actually holding off on a lot of the stuff I want to do ( wearing women's clothes more often, for example ) because I'm trying to come up with a plan to have this lifestyle yet still be able to turn it off. It's no big deal I suppose, if I do become a trashy diva but it's a complete 180 in terms of who I am to people. I've always been quiet, thoughtful and kind and I hope there's some inbetween where I can stay that way and yet still be the effiminate freak I'm becoming anyway.

idk if i would say i became dumber but my memory went to shit after transition, a few other things got worse, but my thoughts are a lot clearer. its totally worth it if you pass though ^ω^

>>8121449
This is really interesting.

>>8121215
I guess so, sense men are gods an can do no wrong.

>>8123474
>women are gods an can do no wrong.
t. society

Most likely true. As a ftm trans guy I'm starting to see how women are just less rational and men are able to think and have ideas without putting their entire self esteem on the line.

>>8123540
pls explain sir

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>>8121215
Only difference I've noticed is that people around me now treat me like a retard and it's starting to piss me off.

I lost interest in STEM after transitioning. Took up drawing instead.

>>8123511
Tfw.
You must not know whats going on in society right now.

>>8123555
Well, before beginning my transition it always felt like I needed validation from other women or friends. For example, if anyone of my friends didn't like my opinion I would change it without second thoughts. Unless it was something I felt strongly about, it was easy to persuade me to believe something just to feel accepted.

Once I started transitioning I felt like anything I do is for my own wellbeing or for the people I love. I grew a sense of understand of why men get such a reputation for being emotionless angry sex addicts. Because women don't think about their own thoughts, they think about their thoughts in the perspective of people around them.

Sure, men do the same every once and a while but they don't see it has a power issue. Wanting a guy to like you as a friend and changing your opinions slightly to have more conversations with him, is only that for a man. For a woman, it's more complicated. They will change their idea to be accepted and liked by others, but it has an underlying motive behind it. They secretly hate that person for having the power to control other people's thoughts. They will go behind that person's back to make sure everyone around them secretly hates them.

Men are just more simple thinkers and do not beat around the bush about their thoughts.

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How many here watch or used to watch sissy hypno? It could be a sort of self fulfilling prophecy.

>>8124841
I still cant believe people watch that shit and I'm a fucking tranny

If you get off to sissy hypno I wouldn't call you gay or tranny or faggot or whatever, just a pathetic retard.

>>8124932
>and I'm a fucking tranny
A straight tranny obviously.

>>8124943
What about it?

>>8124980
You don't understand what it's like for the kind of tranny who likes hypno.

>>8125002
I obviously don't, I'm thankful for not being that pathetic

>>8125023
I don't know why you're so hateful of people different from you.

>>8125033
Only pathetic people.

>>8125051
Pathetic is being so gay and fetishizing straight men so badly that you can't stand your own penis.

>>8125088
I do stand my own penis, if you are implying otherwise.

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>>8125092

You don't gotta be so mad. I like it for the colors and stuff, like the picture I posted. I'm into degradation a little bit but it's mainly the other stuff. I'm just wondering because I am getting really stupid really fast but I'm not taking HRT. I think the lifestyle is simply a way of becoming a bimbo, which is what often is what so many of us are attracted to being.

When can we just kill all straight Australians already?

>>8125023
>kinks are pathetic
That makes no sense, what a silly position to take. How do you measure and prove this?

Yes, I became more dopey/air-headed/forgetful after HRT. On the other hand I can read body language and subtle wording significantly better.

>>8125407
>subtle wording
?

>>8125444

I'm curious as well. Body language only means so much, and it's not much.

>>8122819
>women are unable to essentially "turn their brains off" like men can
what?

>>8121228
Any source on that?

>>8122773
fucking lmao

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>>8121215
>the bimboification meme is real

>>8122819
>and why women are unable to essentially "turn their brains off" like men can, women are constantly thinking.

I can't even have sex sometimes because I can't "turn off my brain", are you sure HRT doesn't also affect white matter / axons?

Worth noting a lot of this might just be how tastes change with age, not just htr, since htr is usually done before the brain fully develops after all.

>>8122819
>tfw can't stop thinking
Feels trutrans I guess.

>>8122288
Who in the top 100? Or even any local hidden bosses. Narcissa has a Zelda but who gives a shit really, no one "has a Zelda"

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>tfw estrogen made me smarter than everyone on this board
Just give up, brainlets.

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>>8122773
>schizophrenia, depression, bipolar disorder
Oh boy.

>>8128753
i live on the edge

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>tfw no mtf gf

>>8128763
That is literally me
even the hair and color

>>8128763
>video games
I don't even like video games anymore. Or anime.
I only think about sucking cocks these days tbqh.

>>8121215
Well, a lot of people use enough antiandrogens that their brains have less testosterone than women. You need some to function and most people would rather overshoot than undershoot.

>>8128840
sorry don't even talk to me

>>8128840
lmfao mones must be a hell of a drug

>>8128920
They are, lol.

I'd rather be retarded than depressed

>>8128763
hi

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>>8123569
This desu. I'm smart, and back when I was a guy people treated me like I was. I transitioned pretty young too. Now it feels like I shouldn't even bother being smart, because I'm just going to be treated like a child regardless. The most depressing part is I'm pretty much just accepting my fate at this point.

>>8122773
The guy who runs the autogynephiliatruth blog(awesome cat) talked about this on Transition radio. HRT caused a brain fog and he found it harder to do his research work.

So perhaps only early transitioners get a proper female brain, whereas late transitioners become dumb trannies. All the more reason to be a man instead of a masculine hon. I'm aware that AGPs are stereotyped as smart, but I have to wonder how many years into transition that will last.

>>8128763
To close to home

>>8126502
it's a /g/ maymay

>>8128753
ventricular enlargement in schizophrenia is conclusively the result of neuroleptic use, and the associations in bipolar and alzheimer's are probably similar because neuroleptics are routinely used in those conditions as well
taking estrogen will not give you sz

>>8123540
>have ideas without putting their entire self esteem on the line.

fuck laddie u got a lot to learn m8

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>>8128763
Don't call me a retard anon

>>8129129
>The most depressing part is I'm pretty much just accepting my fate at this point
Exactly. And then when you ultimately give up, people see that as confirmation they were right.

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>>8126502
Source on crossdressing improving coding skills is pic related.

>>8122415
I'm not even from /g/, I just picked up basic tips from /tttt/.

This works for my fetish on every level. I probably fucked up my sexuality by watching sissy hypno since I was 12. I'm 19 now and would take hrt in a heartbeat if I knew I could keep my sex drive. Anyone have any suggestions on how to do that?

>inb4 kys

>>8121228
That...explains a lot, actually.

>>8135220
>I probably fucked up my sexuality by watching sissy hypno since I was 12.
An agp is always an agp.

>>8135315
Fine. I'm AGP.

How do I proceed though? I want to transition but I'm also a super sexual person and don't want to lose that side of myself

>>8135400
I wish I knew anon. Try /HRTgen/?

>>8121215
no they are just trying too hard

>>8135220
You wont keep your sexual drive but you will develop a womans sex drive which is much better desu

>>8135521
What's that like? Would my libido decrease? Or would my sexuality start to focus on penetration?

>>8135751
Libido is more selective (get turned on less, but way more intensely). Definitely more focus on being penetrated and submissive. It's a lot of subtle stuff too though, so you should honestly just take hormones if you want to understand.

>>8136197
what's the subtle stuff? I know ymmv but any info is helpful. Also, does hrt shift sexual attraction towards men? I've heard conflicting things. (Really appreciate you being cool and answering my questiosn btw!)

Women definitely have worse reaction times, objectively, and inferior fine motor skills, objectively (both only in the highest end of application ofc, the average person isn't gonna notice). dunno if HRT does this. Or if trans inherently have these traits. or not at all. or a mix.

>>8135220
Wow you've been watching sissy hypno videos since 12? Ouch you must really be screwed up. When I started dealing with my AGP as a teenager the net was mostly dialup and sissy stuff was rare. There were a few pay sites with preview pics, but that's it. AGP is a really aggressive condition and still screwed me up, but I also have some degree of heterosexuality.

>>8136247
Not that anon, but.
>Also, does hrt shift sexual attraction towards men?
It's been proven that some trans people change their sexuality during hrt. For MtFs that means you usually go from liking girls to being bi/liking guys. It doesn't happen to everyone, though, and in fact some people even experience the opposite, going from liking guys to being bi/liking girls.

It's also not clear whether HRT actually changes your sexuality or if those people already liked men and hormones just made them less repressed about it.

>>8122288
Are there really that many? I know a few, but like >>8128417 said none of them are that good. Then again there aren't any good cis female players either. There are just so few that it's unlikely for any of them to be good enough to be noteworthy.

Street Fighter has Ricki Ortiz (a top-level player) at least.

>>8130002
I wonder how of those cases can be explained by things like spironolactone causing dehydration or excessively low testosterone causing depression and lethargy, rather than oestrogen just making you dumber somehow.

>>8121215
Only if you dye your hair rainbow colors or blond.

>>8140262
>or excessively low testosterone causing depression and lethargy
That's caused by lack of sex hormones, not just testosterone. Of course when cis guys get it it's because of a lack of testosterone, since they don't get anywhere near enough estrogen to make up for it. Same goes for women post menopause, only they lose estrogen instead.

Trannies don't have this problem unless their pills are fucked up, since they'll always have normal levels of sex hormones.

My sister was high testosterone, started taking testosterone suppressant and said she now feels a lot worse at object orientation and sense of direction.,

>>8121215
This topic hits close to home because delayed transition out of fear of becoming stupid. In retrospect, the only transition related thing that can make you stupid is believing the patriarchal bullshit that women are stupid and using estrogen as placebo pills for that. See Susans for example.

If anything, the happiness you get from finally transitioning will make you function better and thus appear smarter to others.

>>8135220
Taking Bica you degenerate, it's cheap, effective and doesn't nuke testosterone, but "hides" it from your cells, which basically means your sex drive wont die but you'll become a qt.

>>8143800
It also allows testosterone to strengthen the brain so it will remain strong

>>8143800
>"hides" it from your cells,
What's the trap equivalent of broscience called?

>>8144313
That is what it does, just explained in an oversimplified way (hence the quotes around "hides"). The more technical explanation is that it competitively inhibits androgen receptors (by binding to the active site but not activating them), meaning testosterone can't bind to them and therefore doesn't do anything even if it's still present in the body in normal amounts.

pretty sure i'm getting better at reading and def getting better at holding conversations (though that might just be bc less dysphoria)

honestly i'm getting better at everything that's not physical, bc dysphoria is less constant

so if it lowers iq, it was iq i couldn't use anyway

>>8140736
What even is a "high test" girl?

Do they have any physical traits that are noticeable or is high test just something internal?

>>8145628
Facial hair, body hair, big shoulders, big clitoris

>>8128753
correlation is not causation. i'd be interested in seeing studies that assess which it is.

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>>8140736
>worse at object orientation
A clear sign of becoming a better programmer. Functional programming is the superior paradigm.

>>8121215

Of course it's true. Off yourselves!

>>8121215
I think i've become a lot less anxious by transitioning. I like the same stuff I always did though. I mean really, being more social, having a better state of mind, etc. is due to me being happier with myself rather than the treatment alone.

Over time i've spent less time wasting away watching anime and actually being productive but I think that's really more of a product of growing up than drugs.

>>8140736
Why did she take T?