Online Feminism Test

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>MtF
>Bi
>23
>White
>College Educated

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>>8118286
>MtF
>Bi
>20
>White
>College educated

>>8118347
pls be my gf

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mtf

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MtF

OP here,
>>8118398
>>8118347
>>8118413

>Traditionalism

Disgusting.


Good call on listing some basic information about yourself though to give more possible context to your views.

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MtF, white, started hrt at 17, bi.

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MtF

Down with cultural marxists!

>>8118347
>>8118398
>>8118413
Is this yet more proof that AGP's are womanhood's enemies?

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>>8118398
>>8118413

I'm so proud, my sisters

>>8118423
>>8118451

pic related

>>8118398
>pls be my gf

B-but anon, dating another trans girl is l-lewd
Also would Jesus approve

>>8118451
>believing in le feminist jew

Gonna be real with y'all: all you mtfs with high traditionalists scores are embarrassing and y'all deserve to be shot up with testosterone.
>>8118473
Fuck off AGP.

>>8118347
>>8118398
>>8118413
So this is like supposed to be some type of falseflagging right?

>>8118482
>2017
>being a mentally ill feminist

kys cuck

>>8118482
>>8118472
kek a*ps btfo,

also

>tfw when bi agp mtf

>>8118473
nice meme friend i'm not even a commie i-i swear.

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L

>>8118473
MtF x MtF is the purest form of love

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>>8118482
>>8118494

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>>8118286
What on earth does this even mean? These questions were so weird I left a bunch neutral.

>>8118546
i did for a couple too. mainly because some were situational as well

but you know

JUST B URSELF

>>8118472
>>8118498
I'm not AGP though

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Do I win a prize?

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>>8118546

>What on earth does this even mean?

>>8118546
It's pretty clear the test wasn't made by feminists. Lol.

>>8118572
yes.

you become my waifu

>>8118570
>I'm not AGP though

I know it's just a meme i dont think there is a serious correlation between feminist / political ideology and what part of the typology you fall under, it just made me laugh thats all.
>>8118572
No.

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>>8118286
Hispanic cis gay male, 20.

>>8118613
correlation between someones feminist / political ideology and what part of the typology they fall under*

>>8118505
it would be an L who sells out the GBT

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>>8118619

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>>8118603
>you become my waifu
But anon, I'm 3D.

>>8118619
>being this much of a jew

>>8118639
Can't sell out something no one cares about.

>>8118646
its all daijoubu anon

we can cuddle

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>>8118659
Yeah okay. We can cuddle.

>>8118684
anon can i feminine benis you too?

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straight femboy 20
>Liberal Feminism believes in equality of rights, not in equality of outcomes

sounds about right

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>>8118712
My butt is for pooping, but we can sword fight if you want.

>>8118713

Advice: start taking hormonnes and join the Republican party

You'll fit in on this thread better, and you won't have to take any surprise helicopter rides

>>8118722
how big is your benis?

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>>8118286

>MtF
>Bi
>22
>Hispanic
>Only an associate's in liberal arts

>that question about whether women are as rational as men
>but then the question about whether there would be fewer wars if women were in charge

These could not both be answered in the affirmative but by a delusional mind.

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Meh, expected something along these lines.

>>8118286
> celebritytypes.com
> literally fake Buzzfeed

>>8118801
>implying i'm not aware this isn't a meme tier quiz

just have some fun and take the quiz you condescending pleb

>>8118838
this is*

>>8118770
I've had a lot of atrophy over the years. It's like 4" under a blue moon. Usually I stay soft, and when I get horny I leak with no control over the mess. It's embarrassing, honestly.

>>8118852
thats a cute benis size

pls marry me

>>8118852

Not gonna lie friendo that's super adorbs, I am unfathomably jealous

I'm left-wing and got ~75% on traditionalism, this stuff is crap.

>Do women care about honor as much as men?
No, duh. If a war is declared I won't go fight. Hamilton and Burr would never have fought if they were women, because why risk your life for nonsense?

>Would there be fewer wars if women led the world?
No, wars are caused by geopolitical needs, not testosterone/"muh toxic masculinity".

>Are women as logical/rational as men?
As rational yes, as logical no, I put "Disagree"

All of this is common sense, not right wing. The whole "men/women are superior!" is daddy issues on both sides.

>>8118852
>>8118862
>>8118872
get your disgusting transbian fetishism out of my thread.

>>8118892
>doesn't want best girl

>>8118892

>when all the posts (even yours!) end in 2

>>8118892
>when you have bad taste but want to blame others

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>gay male
>half white and half mexican

i somewhat consider myself an mra

>>8118892
>helicopters aren't just for those with bad taste in politics

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>>8118286
>Man
>Gay
>25
>White
>School teacher
Femenism is full of shit, state overvalues women, men are culturally opressed.
Gay men need state protection and media celebrating.

>>8118941

>Traditionalism 69%
>Liberal Feminism 68%

Close call! ;)

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>>8118937
I'm only incidentally bisexual, like a lot of women (inb4 not a woman, I know) and I just don't get the anti-transbian meme around here. They can't all be Buffalo Bills, right? How dangerous could a bunch of IT nerds with a penchant for cyberpunk media possibly be.

>>8118886
>As rational yes, as logical no,
Explain?

>All of this is common sense, not right wing.
...

>>8118998
>muh poor innocent transbians being picked on for no reason

I don't hate transbians, but this isn't the thread to talk about "le benis" / "sword fighting"

there take your (you) and stop talking about transbians

>>8119017

This is a thread about feminism. The entire premise centers around penis envy. The whole topic is a metaphor for rape fantasies. Feminism is literally meaningless without penises to give it a misdirected sense of purpose. The thread exists on /tttt/, and is overrun with right wing mtf death squads. This thread couldn't be more about 'le benis' unless it was on /hm/ and started by Ron Jeremy

>>8119043
>tfw part of the right wing mtf death squads

i feel so cool

>>8118738
but republicans are dreadful at pretty much everything.

helicopter rides?

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>>8119017
Okay, instead we'll talk about eggs. How do you like your eggs: sunny side up, over easy, scrambled, in an omelet, in a custard, in a tart, on toast, as part of a full English, deviled, boiled, croque madame?

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>>8118286
MtF
I consider myself an egalitarian. I don't really get why I scored so high on Marxist Feminism. I looked it up and I disagree with it because it's retarded how Marxists blame everything on capitalism.

>>8119043
>The entire premise centers around penis envy. The whole topic is a metaphor for rape fantasies. Feminism is literally meaningless without penises to give it a misdirected sense of purpose

wut.

>>8119055

First, shut your liberal mouth you cucked sjw pinko commie

Second, it's a popular right-wing meme. Augusto Pinochet launched a coup against the Marxist government of Chile in 1973 and famously threw leftist scum out of helicopters and into the Atlantic ocean. It was pretty boss so now we regularly joke about reviving the practice

>>8119014
Both men and women are irrational. See Scott Adams.
Men are more logical, women are more intuitive.

>>8119014
>...
I'll assume that means you agree.

>>8119120
>I'll assume that means you agree.
Apart from the "not", sure.

>>8119094
>we regularly joke

morons

>>8119151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zwPVU92-XQ

>>8119091

Feminism is either women who have an overactive case of penis envy, can't deal with the natural hierarchy of the sexes and so lash out at penises, have massive p.i.v. rape fantasies and can't deal with them without a veneer of political correctness, or men who forgot they have a penis but also aren't trans. It's a system of thought for women who have forgotten their place. That's why men should only date proper traditionalist tranny right with helicopter death squad members like me.

>>8118886

Common Sense and Right Wing are literally synonymous

>>8119151

Careful, loose talk like that is how Reds wind up buried in a sand bar 20 miles off the Chilean coastline

>>8119138
You haven't refuted anything, fatty. You know this isn't tumblr, right?

>>8119175
>That's why men should only date proper traditionalist tranny right with helicopter death squad members like me.
woulddate.jpg

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>traditional liberal
How does that work?

>>8119175
what does being a traditionalist tranny mean?

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>Gay M 18
>Do not consider myself a feminist

>>8119203

We believe traditional social hierarchies (children serve adults, women serve men, men serve their liege lords, all serve the Risen Christ), we believe in traditional social institutions (Church, State, capitalism, heterosexual-exclusive marriage, etc), we believe in traditional rules of etiquette and manners, despise modern "art", don't vote democrat, don't visit The Club, don't endorse hedonism or individualism or other modern ills, etc, basically we believe and do all the stuff that makes a traditionalist a traditionalist.

But we also recognize that there are some cases where there are legitimate mental malfunctions, and those aren't always best solved by repression. We shouldn't flaunt them or work to actively threaten traditional social norms, but we also shouldn't refuse to acknowledge medically proven problems like dysphoria or their medically supported solutions.

>>8119196
>woulddate.jpg

*blushing is hiden by the specks of communist blood still on my cheeks*

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21
Bi
MtF

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>>8119203
>what does being a traditionalist tranny mean?
First you have to find a man with kids who is totally fed up with modern women after his messy divorce. Then you swoop in with your hot mess LARPer Stepford shtick.
>i am become suzy homemaker, baker of casseroles
The ultimate bro sacrifice.

>>8118505
Disgusting, tbqh.

>>8119221
i got the same
not a feminist either
apparently you have be some kind of misogyny Woman Hater for not being a crypto-marxist

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>all those percentages
I feel dirty

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>>8119287
>i am become suzy homemaker, baker of casseroles

>>8119268
Oh, I'm 29, and gay.

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Not sure what it even means, since most of this shit is new to me...
>>8119085
I have ''similar'' results, although I don't consider myself anything. At least in particular.
I tend towards traditionalism, but I scored pretty high in marxist feminism, whatever that is.

>>8119358
Fuck me

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>>8118286

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str8 tranny that hopes to be a qt housewife someday

Mtf
Straight
23
College dropout

>>8119476

If that fails you can join the Right Wing Tranny Neo-Pinochet Helicopter Death Squad this thread seems to be organizing

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>>8119505
Oops

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>>8119520
>Right Wing Tranny Neo-Pinochet Helicopter Death Squad
Ssss.

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Cis white male
Bi
18
Student (College equivalent)

>>8118886
>No, duh. If a war is declared I won't go fight. Hamilton and Burr would never have fought if they were women, because why risk your life for nonsense?
Why do men do it then? They do seem to be naturally inclined to be risk takers, but I think it's also that a lot of the patriotism propaganda is specifically targeted at them rather than women, because it fits better with ideals of masculinity, and men are and have pretty much always been more desirable as soldiers than women.

>As rational yes, as logical no, I put "Disagree"
How exactly would you distinguish between rationality and logic?

>>8118941
K Y S
Y
S

>>8119269
Oh, so you wanna have your cake and eat it too, huh? Fuck, I hate trannies so much.

>>8119175
>can't deal with the natural hierarchy of the sexes
Natural doesn't always equal good. If something is inherently inequal, like most forms of hierarchy are, it should be opposed, regardless of natural or not.

>or men who forgot they have a penis but also aren't trans
What you really mean is men who don't decide to let their penis dictate their political view.

>It's a system of thought for women who have forgotten their place.
And what about women who are well aware of their "place", but simply don't like it?

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23
(L)atina
College student

So much for the red pill.

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>35 y/o
>straight
>white
>american
>cisgendered
>male
>in a relationship
>non-religious but spiritual
>politically moderate in terms of left vs right, but radical in terms of ideologies

>>8118286
cis dyke, i took this and i was like 80% marxist feminist, 78% rad fem, bullshits to the other ones and i've never been so proud. look at all these mtfs who hate feminism or are high traditionalist. y'all are MEN. male privileged, male socialised, greedy, entitled failed men

>>8119666

Nice trips, maybe whitey really is the devil.

>>8119667
>yfw womyn are mentally ill

>>8119640

>If something is inherently inequal... it should be opposed

I just disagree with this on such a base, fundamental level of my existence, I would need to spend a life time of back-and-forths with you to even accurately communicate why I believe your position is so abhorrently, overwhelmingly evil.

>men who don't decide to let their penis dictate their political view

Same thing. If your political view castrates the privileges God has granted you by virtue of your cisgendered physical features then feminism might be for you.

>women who are well aware of their "place", but simply don't like it?

Life is about duty, hierarchy, and responsibility, what we like and dislike is staggeringly irrelevant. Happiness isn't bad, but it also shouldn't be the goal of our lives. Preform your social duty before your superiors, your God, and your liege lord, and learn to be happy with it; that's far better than just feeling things and pursuing some abstract formless sensation.

That''s the thing I hate most about the modern world. Happiness is a privilege, not a right. You don't ever deserve to be happy. We all deserve hell, and if we get happiness in preforming our proper duties and serving our betters, that's great, but otherwise it shouldn't be a goal we struggle for.

>>8119667
>male privileged
>failed men
make up your mind you dumb cunt.

it's sickening that women are allowed to vote.

>>8119667
I'm a chaser and I think women shouldn't exist at all. Like you lot should literally be exterminated.

>>8119667
>tfw i as a mtf slightly agree with terfscum

It does seem highly problematic that people like >>8119269 exist, though i'm not sure if they are just ironic shitposters or legitimately think their regressive ideology benefits women / transwomen in any way.

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>>8119667
>failed
And yet they're taking the place of women, because surprise, surprise, women can't do anything right. Can't even make dinner. If that wasn't bad enough, they're subversive commie scum. It's not like you can reason with useful idiots--they're fully indoctrinated. Physical removal.

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18
Gay
Fascist/national socialist
Extremely hate marxists and commies

>>8119741

I'm >>8119269, and I just want to clarify that I think you massively misunderstood what I was saying. I don't think my views benefit women/transwomen, nor do I think they necessarily harm them, I don't believe in an ideology on the basis of whether it is good or bad for a particular group. Whether it helps or harms us is irrelevant, "regressive" (I prefer the term 'reactionary') ideology is what is best for civilization as a whole. Egalitarianism, liberalism, marxism, progressivism, all of it serves to dismantle the fundamental pillars of civilization (church, state, property, marriage, law, order) and thus threatens the very existence of our species. Even if every woman was harmed in the process, and every transwoman murdered, our lives do not outweigh the good of civilization.

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MTF-23-6 years HRT

>>8119734
you can still benefit from maleness even if you suck at it. theres a lot of mediocre men doing very well for themselves at the cost of women. it takes a very special kind of stupid to be a born rapist and to drop out for being bad at it

>>8119741
there are lgit mtfs but you can't be a legit mtf and take a stance that opposes women and female liberation. it proves TERFs right that they're just agents of patriarchy

>>8119750
fascism is innate to males and shows their precise failures in reasoning and logic, as well as human qualities like empathy and compassion. they stretch both to justify their violence and domination. y'all are just autistic apes. males don't count as human. i feel sorry for the few mtfs out there who fought for their womanhood and be represented by a bunch of Jenners

>>8119805

You physically disgust me and make me even more ashamed of my trans status.

Your ideological choices have literally made my depression worse, because now I know that not only can't I be a real man or woman, I have to be associated with people like you.

I desperately hope that some day you can find the light of the Lord Jesus, and I hope for both our sakes he will have mercy on you, and I feel terrible about having such a gut wrenchingly awful response to another person on Easter, but you ... I just don't even know if I can say anything else, you just......

>>8119825
Trannies like you disgust me and I hope the Left ditches you and starts calling for your lynching.

>>8119838

>being lynched by red traitors

We call that "patriotism" round these parts

>>8119821
>you can still benefit from maleness even if you suck at it. theres a lot of mediocre men doing very well for themselves at the cost of women. it takes a very special kind of stupid to be a born rapist and to drop out for being bad at it
what bullshit

>>8119202
It's my understanding that the "liberal" in "liberal feminism" (or really any other case where "liberal" is used as the opposite of "radical") is closer to the way the term is used in Marxist circles, rather than the American political term (where basically everyone left of the GOP is liberal). It also has some of the implications of libertarian (which too has acquired something of a distorted meaning in America, there it's seen as a predominantly right-wing ideology, when really it just means an emphasis on individual freedoms and the opposite of collectivism). The proper meaning of liberal is basically just someone who values personal freedoms and is mostly a moderate centrist, with some leftist leanings, but opposes the direct action tactics and calls for violent revolution that come from the extreme elements of both ends of the political spectrum.

Basically, radical feminists (or "radfems") believe that traditional social structures are inherently damaging to women's liberation, even if women consent to them. Radfems consider the destruction of "patriarchy" more important than women's individual freedoms. Whereas liberal feminists see the main goal as ensuring women are able to practice their individual freedoms just as men are, and believe that once that is achieved, all oppression of women will automatically start to disappear. So while a liberal feminist isn't likely to try to force others into traditionalism, they won't see a problem with a woman living in accordance with traditional norms, as long as she does so willingly. Whereas radical feminists and Marxist feminists believe that even if a woman willingly follows traditional values, she is still working against the true liberation of women.

>>8119821
>empathy and compassion
Empathy and compassion for the tribe is the human way. Anything else spells self-destruction. Of course, women throughout history have simply spread their legs for invaders, being spared the worst of it. You couldn't possibly understand the burden of maleness. You wouldn't even have the platform to complain if it weren't for the world men have built for your benefit. But you see none of it, do you. Just glazed over dead eyes with impotent rage within you, and a solemn wish to destroy civilization. Disgusting.

>>8119821
Fascism is literally empathy: the ideology. Look up corporatism and national syndicalism.

>>8119854
listen champ i was fine with trannys as a theory and directed my hate towards drag queens but once i actually encountered trannys online i became convinced y'all are just men. at least the extreme medicalists who treat themselves like they have a condition that they're treating are better than the failed men submitting themselves as sex dolls to their ubermensch, but they can only do it by appropriating womanhood and wearing some dead girl's skin to do it. you're perverse and sick. worse than drag queens

>>8119890
>submitting themselves as sex dolls to their ubermensch
That is literally the only purpose of trannies.

t. chaser

>>8119886
>impotent
yeah sure, so hon hows the hrt treating you

>>8119887
cancer is empathy: the disease and i'm banking on the 1 in 3 chance you'll get it you spectrum shit ape

>>8119886
>tribe
evo psch lol, i can smell the fedora on you, you crab handed compulsive masturbator

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Lesbian radfem coming through.

>>8119890
>are better than the failed men submitting themselves as sex dolls to their ubermensch,
should we dress it up in fancy language and pretend like it's not what it is?

funny comforting lies are fine when you like them and perverse when you don't.

>but they can only do it by appropriating womanhood and wearing some dead girl's skin to do it.
in my dreams!

>>8119730
>I just disagree with this on such a base, fundamental level of my existence, I would need to spend a life time of back-and-forths with you to even accurately communicate why I believe your position is so abhorrently, overwhelmingly evil.
I mean I could honestly say the same about you. I mean sure, I understand why hierarchy has value, but I don't buy into the idea that certain people are "destined" to be leaders or followers. If someone is willing and able to lead, there shouldn't be any barriers to them doing so. Societies with a solid line between leaders and followers tend to become degenerate, because the working class realizes they won't get ahead no matter how hard they work, and the ruling class realizes they will stay ahead even if they don't put in the effort. Ultimately it leads to everyone losing incentive and societal collapse. That's why I prefer a system that offers equality of opportunity to every individual as much as possible, and lets them succeed or fail based entirely on their own merits.

>Same thing. If your political view castrates the privileges God has granted you by virtue of your cisgendered physical features then feminism might be for you.
Again, I don't think I'm deserving of any particular privileges for how I was born, in any case I don't believe I have the personal merits to justify me wielding those privileges, when so many people with much greater merit are denied those privileges. Quite simply, I find me being granted those privileges to be both detrimental to myself and my society, so what's the point?

>>8119905

[blushes dysphorically]

s-senpai...

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>>8119791
>and I just want to clarify that I think you massively misunderstood what I was saying.

I'm pretty sure I understand exactly what you are saying, you probably just disagree with the language i use to describe your views.

>I don't think my views benefit women/transwomen, nor do I think they necessarily harm them, I don't believe in an ideology on the basis of whether it is good or bad for a particular group.

I hope you realize the "particular group" you are referring to here and all that fit into it's definition (we can disagree on particular subgroups of people that do / don't fit into the definition of "women," it's irrelevant for proving my point here) make up close to 50% of the human population, it's probably important that you consider how your ideology benefits / harms such a large category of people if you actually have any level of seriousness regarding your beliefs. Why believe in something that is inherently harmful / destructive for such a large portion of humanity?

>Whether it helps or harms us is irrelevant, "regressive" (I prefer the term 'reactionary') ideology is what is best for civilization as a whole.

I'm actually baffled that you can say this... You realize this board wouldn't exist / we wouldn't be able to medically transition / have absolutely no legitimate recognition of our identities if it wasn't for people / movements incongruent / diametrically opposed with your beliefs?

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Black cis bisexual male, 30

>>8119750
You forget that a lot of women are themselves replacing men. Obviously, it's not realistic to expect women to replace men, and men not to replace women, because the same work needs to be done, it's just less and less being divided along gender lines.

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>>8118286
>35+
>MtF
>Straight
>College dropout

I'm surprised. I expected far more Traditional answers, given how/where I was raised.

>>8119909
You don't sound very intelligent. Do you happen to be American?

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>tfw women are so distasteful nature corrects the situation by creating right wing tranny death squads
Can we get /pol/ to weigh in on this. Were women really asking for it?

>>8119926

You're looking at this all so individualisitcally. It's not about me, and you, and Joe Schmo down the street who aced his SATs and got into Harvard, this is about the mult-millenial history and preservation of Western civilization. What you, I, and Bill Gates do is utterly irrelevant in the face of the grand story of the world we are born into, and our desires pale in importance to the obligation to keep that world alive.

Traditional Western European Christian Civilization wasn't meritocratic (mostly), it was hereditary, yet for the better part of 1500 years it continued without any serious change, preserving the truth of our lord Jesus Christ and the values of our classical ancestors in an unbroken tradition that made us powerful enough to conquer literally the whole world. If we had started letting anyone become King or letting anyone with talent lead the Crusades, all those institutions and values would have collapsed like a house of cards in a matter of centuries (evidence: that's exactly what happened after the american revolution, industrial revolution, and reform law of 1832).

My ultimate point is that the continuity and integrity of western civilization is best served by hereditary nobility, centralized monarchism, and traditionalist religious values, not by meritocratic egalitarian liberalism. But as we both acknowledge that's a value difference and one that's hard to debate without a lifetime of correspondence and discussion.

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>22
>MtF
>primarily homoromantic asexual

>>8119963
>tfw will destroy all my enemies as a member of the right wing tranny death squad

>>8119963
I wanna nut inside that mouth.

>>8119917
T H I C C

>>8119963
>Were women really asking for it?
wow nice language choice you obvious rapist

>>8119957
ad hominem doesn't work on me, lil buddy, try ad feminem instead

>>8119957
>someone doesn't sound very intelligent
>they are a female, feminist, lesbian
>must be their nationality to blame!

>>8119984
>rapist
Not with a bottle of viagra could a man raise his member to copulate with a radfem dyke.

>>8119935

I think it makes the most sense to approach this in reverse order.

>You realize this board wouldn't exist / we wouldn't be able to medically transition / have absolutely no legitimate recognition of our identities if it wasn't for people / movements incongruent / diametrically opposed with your beliefs

And that would be very sad for us, but we don't matter. At all. We count for like 2% of humanity, our mass genocide would be nothing more than another thing to cry about for overly sensitive liberals.

>I hope you realize the "particular group" you are referring to here and all that fit into it's definition ... make up close to 50% of the human population

And 99% of the human population can be harmed, irreparably, it doesn't really matter. For most of the European dark ages all but a minuscule tiny set of families in France and Spain were harmed by everything that ever happened to them, but it kept western civ going, and that is all that truly matters.

>>8119984
>doesn't deny being American
Called it.

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White, Cis, Gay, Male 18
Kill all men

>>8120024
>Gay
>Kill all men
But then who will put it in your butt?

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>>8120024
Fucking disgusting desu
>not protecting mother europe from the shitskin hordes
https://youtu.be/Pjz-YRBZfG0

>>8120038
>mother Europe
Should be father desu.

>>8120038

Judging by your photo and comment, I assume the video you linked to gets better

But 38 seconds in and this jew cuck is making me want to gas myself

When can I skip past his blithering kike and just get to the good parts?

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Gay boy here

>>8120055
Nah mate its the mother because it birthed us desu
https://youtu.be/k_DZhfsbLJY

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>>8120001

>And that would be very sad for us, but we don't matter. At all. We count for like 2% of humanity, our mass genocide would be nothing more than another thing to cry about for overly sensitive liberals.

I don't even... Okay, enjoy subscribing to a political ideology that is completely incompatible with being transgender / any form of equality for people that aren't white cis men.

>inb4 white men are an oppressed group / insert tumblr slur towards someone having opinions that don't fit the norm of /tttt.

>And 99% of the human population can be harmed, irreparably, it doesn't really matter

kek, we really don't have anything left to discuss then, you are entitled to your opinion even though reading this is insufferable for me, we literally have no common ground here.

>>8120085
Women are the ultimate subhuman.

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>>8119825
Hate is a masculine trait, pop a spiro

>>8120104
I dont disagree honestly
https://youtu.be/3l0tr7QzQAM

>>8119969
My reasoning is that even though we did make it through history with a hereditary system, such a system did at times cause problems, and I think we would be better off with a more meritocratic system. Just because a system didn't literally cause societal collapse, doesn't mean it's the best system available. And my general view is that if values can't justify themselves within a meritocratic system, we're better off for having thrown them away. It's not that we should throw away all traditions, but rather not keep something JUST because it's a tradition, instead keeping only those traditions that have some clear value.

>>8120085

>tfw will never serve on the front lines of Stalingrad
>tfw will never overrun the judeo-bolshevik hordes
>tfw you will never march in triumph in new germania
>tfw Hitler will never recognize your service and grant you 'special-status woman of the reich'
>tfw Joseph Mengele will never do research into dysphoria and prescribe you your first dose of HRT
>tfw the Third Reich will not reign for a thousand years and you will not be able to buy full acceptance as a woman by serving the glory of the Fuhrer and your noble Aryan race

This video made me so depressed I want to fucking kill myself

>>8119838
Nah, you'll be the one to get lynched.

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>MtF
>Straight
>25
>Central Asian

Into the gas chambers I go.

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>>8120141
>I want to fucking kill myself
Live, sister. The work isn't done. Here's a pic that will cheer you up.

>>8120166
What kind of Central Asian? Iranic qt or some kind of Turkic subhuman?

>>8120117

Your post is sensible, far more so than >>8120095, but as I said I still think you're looking at this too individualistically (or rationalistically). You say that if trad values can't justify themselves we should throw them away, but against what standard should they justify themselves? The normal response of a post-enlightenment individual would be "a standard of reason," but our ability to conceptualize reason has been exclusively dominated by post-enlightenment scientific methodology. Its a valid method, to be sure, and necessary in some contexts, but it can't be claimed as a universal standard in sociology, and it can be detrimental to try and port it there.

I look at traditions and traditional values as a part of evolution. Evolution isn't always rational; it doesn't always build a perfect bio-machine, and it doesn't always go in a certain direction with a purpose. But over the course of many, many generations, society - like dna - develops certain traditions that allow us to function well in our specific environment. Just throwing them out because our particular notion of what is "rational" doesn't mesh would be as dangerous as just cutting out most of our organs and replacing them with machines we think preformed better in a sterile lab environment.

I'm pretty drunk so I know that must be a little rambling, but I hope I got my point across. And yes, a lot of it is a value difference I'm sure we'll never breach, but I respect your approach to this discussion and still hope I can just communicate where I'm coming from, even if I can't convince you. :)

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I considered myself as radfem.

>>8120166
>35% traditionalism

*suspicious grumblings*

>>8120181

(that actually did cheer me up senpai)

>>8119730

Why do you even believe in a God that fucked you up so completely?

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Reminder that the "enlightenment" was a mistake.

>>8120188
My personal view is that it all comes down to the collective composite of individualist desires. Society as I see it basically exists to serve the interests of its members, so even if society is conceptualized as distinct entity, it ultimately has a duty to the people just as much as the people have a duty to society. So I would say that if every member of a society agrees that a tradition is wrong, most of the time it means that tradition isn't any longer beneficial to that society. Of course, there are exceptions, and cases where a lot of thought is required, like taxes - no one likes to pay taxes, so if you held a vote, you'd definitely see a lot of people wanting to repeal taxes - yet doing so would have consequences that most would find detrimental. So when we question traditions, we should try to go in depth and not just scratch the surface, however we also shouldn't reject the idea that some traditions may have outlived their usefulness. That's part of evolution as well - not only adding new traits, but also discarding those that are no longer beneficial, or that have actually become detrimental. Of course, evolution is inherently a slow gradual process, so no matter what the changes are, they won't happen overnight.

>>8119750

Men fucking transsexuals doesn't really mean anything. Men fuck boxes with a hole drilled in the side and filled with liver. Men have cuck fantasies.

Men are combusting.

>>8120181
>>8120198
Do either of you actually live in conservative places? Are you part of any conservative group?

>>8120221
Why though? Especially when kingship is hereditary, there's a lot of potential for corruption, or a just plain incompetent king coming to power. It pretty much always becomes a massive problem when the king dies without leaving a suitable legitimate male heir, for example.

>>8119791

>mass genocide of fellow mtfs is ok because it serves men and their religion

Honestly, have some sense of self-preservation.

>>8120251
Not him, but meritocracy is a Jewish horseshit meme invented to excuse the Jews' lack of pedigree. Hereditary power is the only way to have a secure society, since you are you ancestors. Individuals don't really exist.

>>8120215

God didn't fuck me up, Adam did.

God made everything ideal but not perfect. Adam and Eve were supposed to embark from a state of bliss to a state of beatific vision and become perfect. Instead they both fucked up and ate from the tree, and humanity fell.

The Fall has a lot of consequences, and they will only be finally and totally resolved at the last judgement and fulfillment of the promise of our lord Jesus Christ. Until then we still have to live in a fallen world and deal with the consequences of our actions - consequences like dysphoria.

I hope that after the resurrrection Christ will say that I was indeed meant to be a girl and the Fall just kind of fucked things up, and I will enter the Kingdom of heaven with forgivness. If I am wrong and I horribly misunderstood the Lord, I hope he will have mercy on me. But I know that it isn't his fault that things are fucked up, and he literally endured crucifixion and 3 days in hell to try and fix them.

>>8120237

I wish we were friends, I would love to talk with you over glasses of wine. You know where your coming from and aren't just parroting normie feels, and I respect that. Even more importantly your logic is sound. I disagree with you here on 2 points:

>Society as I see it basically exists to serve the interests of its members

I would say that society exists to serve the interests of the Lord; or, in more practical and less dogmatic terms, it exists to organize people in a common spiritual quest.

>So when we question traditions, we should try to go in depth and not just scratch the surface, however we also shouldn't reject the idea that some traditions may have outlived their usefulness

I think we mostly disagree here on issues of scale. I agree not all traditions are inherently sacred, but I think disposing of them must take huge time scales. Patriarchy is a tradition and if it must be abandoned should evolve out over thousands of years, not be disestablished by militant feminists.

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>>8120141
Iktf
>tfw you will never fight international jewry with your ss bf
Feelsbadman
https://youtu.be/jOnfV0-0apE

>>8120247

198 here, I live in a conservative place (I tripled my Trump vote by pestering family members in a midwestern swing state, suck on that lib fags) and I attend an Orthodox church. My priest knows so I can't take communion but I kind of orbit around the edge loving the lord but being separated from his communion. It's extremely depressing.

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We live in a world of buttoned-down Christian trannies. Just wanted to reiterate that.

>>8118619
I don't care if you're legal or not, or where you're from, you NEED to be thrown over the wall, even if you were white.

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>>8118286
Femgen shitposter here

I don't plan on taking this test but is the jist of it that Marxist\Radical\traditional is anti-trans and anti-body autonomy, conformity thing while Liberal is more of a universal rights and individualism thing?

>>8120292

>bill buckley jr

I am getting hard just seeing a thumbnail of a thumbnail of his pic

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MtF
I answered a lot of questions neutral that my answer would change depending on context so I think my scores are a bit inflated.

>>8120267

The Christian God literally said men like yourself are abomination and (I'm pretty sure) that they need to die.

>I hope that after the resurrrection Christ will say that I was indeed meant to be a girl

lol nice fantasy.

>If I am wrong and I horribly misunderstood the Lord, I hope he will have mercy on me. But I know that it isn't his fault that things are fucked up, and he literally endured crucifixion and 3 days in hell to try and fix them.

What branch of Christianity were you raised in? God is omnipotent. Nothing is out of his power. Maybe you're a tranny and you suffer because God wills it.

In any case, God isn't real, but a fantasy men created to naturalize/spiritualize their own superiority. But I've never met a self-flagellating Christian MRA tranny, just regular MRA trannies. Your guilt complex is a waste of emotional energy. Stop supporting straight men's hatred against women.

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>>8118286
>ADG
>Bi
>26
>Community college

>>8120191

Sup, what did you think of the description of radical feminism? I've read some radical feminism and I don't remember any quota talk.

>>8120304

>The Christian God literally said men like yourself are abomination and (I'm pretty sure) that they need to die.

No he didn't, not directly at least. In fact Matt 19:12 lends a lot of support to the idea that He is tolerant of the tranny.

>What branch of Christianity were you raised in?

None, I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy about 2 years after my transition.

>Maybe you're a tranny and you suffer because God wills it.

Maybe. In that case I hope he accepts my suffering as a worthy sacrifice, even though I am sinful to the core, and grants me mercy at the Last Judgement.

>In any case, God isn't real, but a fantasy men created to naturalize/spiritualize their own superiority

Well that's just a difference of faith, I can't really argue you into believing a spiritual truth. I will pray for you though, if you don't object.

>>8120282
Kek. The only reason why you're allowed in your church is cause the culture has become so subservient to the Left that they basically have to let you in. Pretty ironic desu.

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I'm surprised I got that much radical feminism. It might be due to the fact that I would barely do any neutral answers to get more accurate stuff even if it was like like a 49:51 thing

>>8120330

The Church has always been open to sinners of every and any stripe. My presence there is no different than it would have been 1,000 years ago. The only difference today is that afterwords the congregants don't try to stone me.

The priest doesn't try to accomodate me beyond the limits of Christian compassion, and the congregation either can't tell what I am or are so merciful they will not make it an issue. But I'm definitely not allowed in because of the culture, otherwise I'd be allowed to take communion and receive baptism.

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>>8120304
>I've never met a self-flagellating Christian MRA tranny
She's not the only one.

>>8120024
Start with yourself.

>>8120182
I don't know. Where do Armenians fit in?

>>8120297
No, it's not about rights or laws, it's shit like >>8118886

>>8119619
Missed your reply.
Men like taking more risks, more action-oriented (i.e. my worth comes from what I accomplish/serve, not what I am or the quality of my relationships), and can be brainwashed through the "honor" meme.
>How exactly would you distinguish between rationality and logic?
Answered in >>8119120
I hate feminists, MRAs and social conservatives equally, that's why the 75% trad surprised me.

>>8120348

Wait, I'm the (she), are you also a self flag Christian tranny?

If so I'd be open to exchanging email addresses because I'm horribly lonely and would like to talk with someone else in anything even kind of resembling a similar situation. We could write every sunday about how Church was and open up about how we struggle to be ourselves and also love Christ and talk about theology and it'd be great.

If you're up for it of course.

>>8120363
Not Central Asian, they're South Caucasians.

>>8120365
If there isn't anything about rights or if people should be allowed control of their bodies instead should be outlawed, then it's useless.

It's just a worthless quiz.

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>>8120267

> Patriarchy is a tradition and if it must be abandoned should evolve out over thousands of years, not be disestablished by militant feminists.

How does one sensibly "dismantle" the patriarchy in your view then?

>I agree not all traditions are inherently sacred

Like what? What about your religion? Would you ever support the "dismantling of religion" if it became apparent to you societies no longer needed it to function / would be better off without it? mostly just asking out of curiosity because i've never met a practicing Christian mtf.

>>8120329
>No he didn't, not directly at least.

You're a man who has sex with men.

>None, I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy about 2 years after my transition.

They teach that "God is too weak to fix the fall" shit in Orthodoxy? Wow, I was raised Methodist and it was just "I don't know" "we need to reject sin ourselves" and so on. That's what I remember anyway.

>Maybe. In that case I hope he accepts my suffering as a worthy sacrifice, even though I am sinful to the core, and grants me mercy at the Last Judgement.

If suffering can reap that reward, and the greatest suffering would not be to transition, shouldn't you simply not transition?

>I will pray for you though, if you don't object.

Bro, your God made women to be servants to men. It's a fundamentally misogynist religion. Don't pray for me, and stop supporting a faith that hates me. I don't know why you Christians think you're better than Muslims, desu.

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This was my genuinely honest score. I think it's silly to say that believing in different biological realities for men/women is "traditionalist".

>>8120257
Not sure that really makes sense. Meritocracy means you give a job to the person who does it the best. Hereditary power does keep power in the family, however that's only really necessary if the people are against your rule (which is often a sign of bad policy) and doesn't do anything when someone in your family invariably ends up being a retard and they become next in line to the throne.

>>8120297
Not really, the Marxist/Radical stuff seems to be more focused on active rejection of traditionalism, but there really isn't anything there talking about trans and bodily autonomy.

>>8120396
For simpletons: If your dad was a deadbeat and you were not, you still shouldn't get the job.

>>8120348

I'd say I feel bad for both of you, but then, you are men.

>>8120403
Why though? Why should someone with less qualifications than me get the job?

The fact that right wing trannies even exist makes me think world isn't completely fucked yet.

>>8120411
Once again: you are your ancestors. The deeds of your ancestors should be accounted for, otherwise you'll end up Peter principle'd to death which is the inherent fate of every meritocratic society.

>>8120382

>How does one sensibly "dismantle" the patriarchy in your view then?

Over several centuries women gradually become more accepted in work positions - 2% of the workforce in 1950, 4% in 1960, 8% in 1970, etc etc, until it's not unusual. Similar pattern for CEOs and politicians. Women are increasingly elected to political positions over several centuries due to their humility and willingness to serve the people. Eventually all of this becomes common enough that no one thinks twice about it. It started naturally enough in the 1940s, suffered a tempering in the 1950s, if the 60s had tried to find a balance we could have had a natural social progression over the next 100 - 200 years rather than a sudden burst of feminist disruption.

>>8120383

>Has sex with me

I don't have sex. It's unbiblical and antitraditional.

>God is too weak to fix the fall

He can, he just chooses to fix it over the course of tens of thousands of years.

>If suffering... shouldn't you simply not transition?

Because I started the sentance with 'maybe.' But I don't believe, nor do the writings of the Church fathers, the prayers in the Liturgy, or the writings of Holy Scripture give me any reason 'to believe this path is one God didn't intend for me. I was entertaining your theory, not agreeing to it.

>4th point

Yes, Christianity is patriarchial and mysoginist. No, I won't pray for you if you insist I don't. No, the faith doesn't hate you, it just wants you to accept your place in God's plan. We're better than Muslims because we believe in the incarnate Son of God and the Muslims don't.

>>8120369
Sure. We can't have you being lonely. That won't do. I don't want anybody spamming us. Do you have a throwaway?

>>8120417
That's based on the assumption that competency is hereditary, which is only really plausible if you're thinking of competency in a very broad sense, or assuming everyone works in the same field as their parents. I'd say there's a much better way to defeat the Peter Principle - have the people in charge of promotions stop treating people as a fungible resource, and recognize that "higher" jobs require skills that are different qualitatively, not just quantitatively. Then, only promote those who show an aptitude for the skills that will be used in their new position.

>>8120448
>assuming everyone works in the same field as their parents
With royals, that's kind of a given.

>>8120422

Kind of. I use it regularly but as a social profile disconnected from my work and family life, so I don't care if people connect it to my aggressive ultra rightism on 4chan.

[email protected]

I look forward to connecting. Thank you!

>>8120418

>No, the faith doesn't hate you

I said God. God hates women. That's a fact.

>It's unbiblical and antitraditional.

Specifically because you're a man who wants to sleep with men. Why, in your opinion, is het sex good and why is homo sex bad?

>He can, he just chooses to fix it over the course of tens of thousands of years.

So he can fix things, but he still makes a bunch of sad, pathetic dudes think they're women and he makes thousands of them every generation. Why?

>Yes, Christianity is patriarchial and mysoginist.

And it is has been used, regardless of how you sanitize it, to murder women. And people like yourself. It benefits straight men exclusively. Why are you enslaving yourself to their interests?

and lol:

>yes, it's misogynist
>but it doesn't hate you!

>We're better than Muslims because we believe in the incarnate Son of God and the Muslims don't.

So, nothing to do with treating women better. Gotcha.

>>8120412

>The fact that right wing trannies even exist makes me think male supremacy isn't completely fucked yet. yey!

>>8120472
Females should be exterminated, you bring nothing but misery upon the world. Fuck off and stop replying to me as if you were my equal you fucking non-human.

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MtF

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean

>>8120257
>meritocracy is a Jewish horseshit meme invented to excuse the Jews' lack of pedigree
You fucking idiot. What happened to the Jews trying to destroy meritocracy to replace it with collectivist socialism/communism?
I truly now believe people like you are just blaming the Jews for your own failures.
Since intelligence, temperament, and physical potential are mostly determined by genetics, merit is often the result of good pedigree.
You are of shit pedigree and a loser, so you look at those who are successful with envy and delusion.
"Heh! You may be a modern day king but I'M of good pedigree!" said the sedentary, ugly, socially incompetent, naive, emotionally and mentally unstable, genetic dead-end and semi-moron.

>Individuals don't really exist.
AND you're a cuck too? Kek just off yourself already.

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>>8120465
>a social profile disconnected from my work and family life

being this naive about computers

>>8120480

When WILL women rise up and start killing men like you? Every other oppressed group had their violent uprising. It's really unfortunate.

>>8120480
You do realize that without females the human race would die off, right? Is that what you really want?

>>8120489
Jews created meritocracy during the French revolution, because in the Ancien Regime they were unable to join the aristocracy thanks to their Jewishness. It was basically one gigantic merchant/capitalist takeover.

>>8120489
>You fucking idiot. What happened to the Jews trying to destroy meritocracy to replace it with collectivist socialism/communism?
Are you implying that Communism isn't meritocratic?

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>>8120418
>Over several centuries women gradually become more accepted in work positions - 2% of the workforce in 1950, 4% in 1960, 8% in 1970, etc etc, until it's not unusual.
> Eventually all of this becomes common enough that no one thinks twice about it. It started naturally enough

But don't you think all of these gradual changes still require some level of massive social upheaval / radical change in conventional norms to take place? (radical in the context of the time that they took place) Don't you think your definition of "unnatural changes" / "radical" changes in social norms might be somewhat dependent on the year you are living in / what already established social norms you exist / were brought up under? How can you be sure most aspects of "modern feminism" aren't products of the "natural" development of a more egalitarian society?

>>8120500

Don't you know gay men and transsexuals have wanted to kill and replace women for decades, anon? Gotta get that straight dick!

>>8120500
After we develop successful ectogenesis, it's game over for females.

>>8120497
They're physically unable to, they can only create their white knight male golems to protect them but they are absolutely nothing without them, a functional parasite. You need to be wiped the fuck out to the last small girl.

>>8120510
norms you exist in*

>>8120472

>I said God. God hates women. That's a fact.

I supposed we have a different definition of hate. I think God wants women to recognize their (our) place, but that's love, not hate.

>Specifically because you're a man who wants to sleep with men.

The desire to sin is in us all, the important thing that all Churches ask is that we overcome and deny that desire to sin. In my case that it sleeping with anyone, men or women.

>he still makes a bunch of sad, pathetic dudes think they're women and he makes thousands of them every generation. Why?

Like I said, he doesn't, this is one of the consequences of The Fall, one that God is working - slowly - to fix, and will finally heal totally at the last judgement.

>And it is has been used, regardless of how you sanitize it, to murder women.

Irrelevant to the basic theology and religious beliefs. You can argue they are anti-women, as you have, but that's a different claim than "it has been used to" commit actions you disagree with.

>So, nothing to do with treating women better. Gotcha.

I hope I've made it clear by this point that treating people good or bad is not a factor in my political or religious beliefs. Life is bad. It sucks. If your poor it sucks because you're poor, if you're rich it sucks because you're empty. Life sucks and trying to make it better with anything other than prayer is doomed to failure.

>>8120510

That's an extremely good question, I need to take a moment and try to re center my whiskey soaked brain to answer it with the proper depth (you are like the only person asking actually deep questions bout philosphy rather than just shallow one-dimensions nit picks about what you think my religions preaches, I respect that, I put my email above if you want to continue this when I'm sober too)

>>8120472
>I said God. God hates women. That's a fact.
Good. Therefore we need to ally with God and not with Satan.

>>8120518
We don't want women to perish because we are sodomites, we are sodomites beause we want women to perish.

>>8120522

Well, we've raised your children, worked for less or nothing, strengthened your religion and your government, etc, etc, and then you mass-exterminate us... I think that would make you parisoids, not parasites, right? Can't win the battle of the sexes the right way, so you've got to repress, oppress, rape, exploit and murder, and then pretend WE are feeding off of YOU. lol men.

>>8120522
>After we develop successful ectogenesis, it's game over for females.
It's going to be a long time before we're able to deploy it on a massive scale. As far as I know, we have yet to raise even a single human being without the involvement of both sexes.

>>8120550
Satan seems like a pretty cool guy though.

>>8120559
So homosexuality is a choice?

>>8120560
>We abused and murdered your children, we pretended being a secretary or a HR assistant is "work", we destroyed religion and infested the government with our evil, and then you mass exterminate us.
Fixed.

>>8120568
Absolutely.

>>8120571
>>We abused and murdered your children
Far more women have raised children than have abused or murdered them.

>>we pretended being a secretary or a HR assistant is "work"
So all the women who worked in factories or even fought on the battlefields during World War II don't count for anything?

> we destroyed religion and infested the government with our evil
Please explain how equal rights for all people is evil.

>>8120535
>I think God wants women to recognize their (our) place
You're not a woman. You have already recognized yourself as a eunuch. You cannot be both.

>Like I said, he doesn't

God is omnipotent or he isn't God. God is always right, or he isn't God. And so on.

>Irrelevant to the basic theology and religious beliefs

Killing certain people IS the basic theology, and so is saying women are servants to men.

>Life sucks and trying to make it better with anything other than prayer is doomed to failure.

God is great, he has made the world plentiful, we only need to believe in him and shepherd the world he has created for us until we are welcomed into his house of many rooms.

>>8120510

Okay I'm recentered now Morty, let's go.

>But don't you think all of these gradual changes still require some level of massive social upheaval / radical change in conventional norms to take place?

On a de jure leve, probably. De jure, things never change without massive bloodshed and thousands - maybe millions - of murders. French revolution is the best example. Liberalism had been developing for a couple centuries by then, but it took a mad dictator and his genocidal reign of terror to actually install it in Western Euro politics. If feminism is to make an actual change it needs to follow the same pattern - several centuries of becoming a natural, accepted social norm, and then kill thousands of people to cement its position as the politically dominant position (in addition to the socially dominant one).

>Don't you think your definition of "unnatural changes" / "radical" changes in social norms might be somewhat dependent on the year you are living in / what already established social norms you exist / were brought up under?

Of course. That's exactly my point. The traditions and norms of my people (midwestern middle class workers) don't accept feminist revolution as a traditional way of doing things, neither do I. If I lived in the independent Republic of San Fransisco I'd disagree. Politics is situation dependent, and not subject to the abstract universal norms of rationalist enlightenment.

>How can you be sure most aspects of "modern feminism" aren't products of the "natural" development of a more egalitarian society?

If you need to advocate for a new principle against the will of the majority of your elders, it's not a principle that evolved naturally. Its one that was recently invented against the will of the elders.

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>>8120562
>massive scale
Actually, we need it to deploy on a small scale. It will adjust the population back to sustainable levels.

Also pic related will be our greatest ally.

>>8120602
Women aren't people.

>>8120620
What do you consider a sustainable level? 1000? 10000? I fully agree that our current population is way too large, but I think scaling it back that far would be a mistake. Certainly with our current level of technology, it would be too vulnerable to disease and natural disasters.

>>8120571

>murdered your children

Men outrank women in child murder.

>we pretended being a secretary or a HR assistant is "work"

lol thinking doing your laundry, keeping your house, doing farm chores, raising and teaching children, feeding you isn't work.

>we destroyed religion

Christianity lives and prospers because of female misogynists aka church ladies.

>infested the government with our evil

Who? Where? You gonna kill Ann Coulter too, you male supremacist little scrot? Who's the rapist in the white house? It's men who are evil, bucko.

>>8120634
Wrong.

>>8120605

>You're not a woman. You have already recognized yourself as a eunuch. You cannot be both.

With this we're just playing a game of definitions. You know what I am, interpret it how you will, I consider myself at peace with the Lord so it's irrelevant to me.

>God is omnipotent or he isn't God. God is always right, or he isn't God. And so on.

I don't disagree, but God uses his omnipotence and omnicorrectness in mysterious ways.

>Killing certain people IS the basic theology, and so is saying women are servants to men.

Then you either have a very shallow or very poorly explained understanding of the Gospel, but either way that is not what traditional (i.e., Catholic, Orthodox, or Anglo-Catholic) churches teach.

>God is great, he has made the world plentiful, we only need to believe in him and shepherd the world he has created for us until we are welcomed into his house of many rooms.

I'm glad we can agree on something.

>>8120634
>>8120620
>>8120647

These are all probably straight men. Like, I'm not expecting transsexuals to exactly LIKE women, but supporting this kind of shit but still going "I'm a woman like you!" is pretty wild.

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>>8120647
Ectogenesis will be pretty expensive at least initially, so it will prevent all strata of society from participating in it. The effect this will have will be similar to what Great Plague did to Europe, it killed off 40 to 60% of Europe's population

Imagine all the other potentials: no such thing as abortions, unwanted pregnancies, pregnancy blackmailing, no billions of niggers having 15 kids they can't feed, motherhood as we know it will cease to exist. As long as women control reproduction, they control the world. Pry that away from them and they'll have nothing, then we'll finally be free from cunt slavery.

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>>8120296
Eat shit, puto. I ain't going nowhere.

>>8120671
I'm not a transsexual at all, I'm a gay male. I'm sort of okay with MtF trannies though even though what they do is degrading to malekind.

>>8120394
It is, get a grip.

>>8120412
Why do you think that? To what purpose they existing save your worldview?
>>8120510
Artposter, what result did you get?

>>8120681
>The effect this will have will be similar to what Great Plague did to Europe, it killed off 40 to 60% of Europe's population
With a population drop that severe, you won't be able to focus on finding ways to make it cheaper, you'll be too preoccupied just trying to keep the infrastructure from falling apart.

>As long as women control reproduction, they control the world. Pry that away from them and they'll have nothing, then we'll finally be free from cunt slavery.
There's currently nothing to prevent men from choosing not to reproduce. Calling it slavery makes you look like a joke. Slavery isn't "I have to give you something for me to give you something", that's capitalism. The whole point of slavery is that you're not allowed to leave, even if you're willing to give up the benefits.

>>8120714
That not all trannies are on the liberal plantation ruled by women.

>>8120662

> in mysterious ways.

This is why I asked what branch you're from. Because that's what I was taught, and I'm pretty sure other branches say we're not supposed to question God or assume why he does what he does. So I thought maybe you're were getting taught, explicitly, that God ISN'T omnipotent and will take forever to "fix" the fall.

>With this we're just playing a game of definitions.

No, eunuchs and women have different roles under Christianity and different passages about them and their purpose. This isn't even about definitions.

>Then you either have a very shallow or very poorly explained understanding of the Gospel, but either way that is not what traditional (i.e., Catholic, Orthodox, or Anglo-Catholic) churches teach.

*shrug* Man is to God as women are to men. God made Eve to serve Adam. Your ideas of God not being able to "fix" things are totally unknown to me, and I doubt the former lines are unknown to you. Maybe it's shallow, maybe it's Protestant. I don't study the differences. I know what I was taught, and I know what mainstream Christianity represents. Women are to serve men.

>I'm glad we can agree on something.

Then you can't truly believe life sucks.

>>8120671
This is homosexuality and trannyism' real faces, show this to all your left wing friends, they need to realize that these """people""" are not worth it.

>>8120719
Wow, I wonder how stupid do you have to be to even believe that? Are you inbred?

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>>8120687
I think you are spic

>>8120718
Great Plague immensely increased the living standards all across the board in Europe thanks to drastically reducing scarcity of resources, it's what ended up fuelling the Renaissance.

>There's currently nothing to prevent men from choosing not to reproduce.
The only way for us to reproduce is with a woman, and we need to fix that. The fact that the very existence of our species as of now relies on men having to pander to subhuman trash is a travesty, as long as they have that monopoly there will be no order.

>>8120738
Get ovarian cancer and stop replying to me you fucking dirt. You don't deserve to live.

>>8120729

>#1

Looks like we cleared up a potential misunderstanding

>#2

It's a difference I'm unaware of being doctrinally defined, but I'm open to being proved wrong


>#3

I was talking about the killing part, I totally glazed over the 'women serving men' part. You're absolutely right about that, but I also 100% support that hierarchy.

>#4

Life sucks inherently, but Christ can shine his light on it if we believe in him enough. I wasn't agreeing with your interpretation of life but your assent to the love of God, even if we understand it very differently.

>>8120747
>The only way for us to reproduce is with a woman, and we need to fix that. The fact that the very existence of our species as of now relies on men having to pander to subhuman trash is a travesty, as long as they have that monopoly there will be no order.
That's like saying it's a "travesty" that our society still depends on low-class jobs like backbreaking labor on farms and in mines, and sanitation work. Sorry cupcake, the world isn't always pretty, and the sooner you realize this the better off you'll be.

>>8120770
You sound like a female. Fuck off.

>>8120747
I'm male :^) hon

>>8120693

So is it "icky vagina!" or more "I want the straight dick" misogyny?

>>8120681

baka. "pregnancy blackmailing"

For the record, men will still rape and kill women when you've found some way to have kids without us. Like, we would probably just exist for you to torture. I know you think it's "revenge" but men are pretty much pure evil - it's in your nature. Case in point - lesbians can't even be left alone by you devils. You enjoy misogyny too much to let it go. Casting us as demons is classic projection.

>>8120774
Not an argument :^) And wrong too.

>>8120744
she is a paid crisis actor.
she's not in the hospital.
it is all a scripted reality show.

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Daily reminder that when a woman kills her unborn child it's perfectly legal, but when a man punches a pregnant woman in the gut and kills the fetus, he's being tried for murder. Not assault but murder.

Daily reminder that women get to murder millions upon millions of unborn boys every year and get away with it.

>there are actually people stupid enough to believe that the world isn't ruled by women, even going as far as claiming women are the oppressed ones
Haha!

>>8120780
You are not a male if you don't have a dick you retarded FtM leper.

>>8120794
[citation needed]

>>8120802
Women have control over their own bodies, why would I care?

>>8120802
>Daily reminder that when a woman kills her unborn child it's perfectly legal, but when a man punches a pregnant woman in the gut and kills the fetus, he's being tried for murder. Not assault but murder.
Those laws are made by men though. Most women don't think it should be murder, but more akin to destroying someone's property without their consent.

>Daily reminder that women get to murder millions upon millions of unborn boys every year and get away with it.
Daily reminder that abortion kills more females than males.

>You are not a male if you don't have a dick you retarded FtM leper.
So any guy can turn himself into a girl by cutting his dick off? Really makes you think....

>>8120761
>You're absolutely right about that, but I also 100% support that hierarchy.

Sickening. You pick and choose what parts of the faith you support, instead of accepting its flawed and evil nature.

>>8120731

Every group has its misogynists. At the end of the day, they'll be killed or used as sex toys. Women will be kept as cattle. Realistically we have the better deal, and they know it. Doesn't stop them from wanting to be patriarchy's kept bitches, though. They would literally have to topple Christianity and heterosexuality itself to get the kind of world that would support them. like ok! good luck!

>>8120747

But really, you're a straight male right? Are you mad Stacey ain't your wifey?

>>8120818
>those laws are made by men
No, they're made by females and their golems.

>Daily reminder that abortion kills more females than males.
>killing boys is okay as long as cunt larvae also gets caught up in it!
Hope you get a cervix necrosis.

>So any guy can turn himself into a girl by cutting his dick off?
I didn't imply that not being a man = being a girl. Then again you're some 70 IQ tranny so it's fruitless to try and use logic with you.

>>8120829
I already said what I am several posts above, you would know that if you weren't a literal imbecile who needs to be spoonfed every 30 seconds since you have the attention span and cognitive capabilities of a goldfish.

>>8120802

>the existence of abortion, which is constantly being attacked, somehow disproves male supremacy in science, community, family, politics, religion and economy

Can you be more of a liar, anon?

>>8120729
>Anglo-anything
>traditional
Anglos are basically mammon-worshipping kikes and deserve the same fate real kikes will also get.

>>8120846

lol I'm sorry I keep forgetting about "jealous gay male misogynist" types, and I'm sorry you sound like a dude mad he can't breed some woman

>>8120850
>he thinks golems are controlling females rather than other way around

>>8120863
>jealous
Of what? Being a murderer?

>>8120854

I'm not the world''s biggest defenders of Anglo Catholics, but to be fair they really are basically traditional Catholics just without the pope (as are, interestingly enough, a lot of other literally traditional Catholics)

I guess I feel white knightish about the Anglo Catholics because if I ever decide I can't deal with being the sore thumb of the Orthodox Church that's probably where I'll go.

>>8120802
>what a woman does with her body and if she chooses to create life is exactly the same as the actions of a male murdering rapist

thats the problem with you fash trash, you're so locked in to your male entitlement you just can't understand women are people. growing a parasitic glob of cells into a person is her choice. taking that away through violence is ultra wrong. if she was planning abortion, is it murder? no. but punching a pregnant woman causing her to abort is killing her unborn child because as a mother she was creating a future intentionally for that child. abortion is about choice and intent, having children without means to care for them, or purpose, is evil and promotes suffering. ultimately abortion is an act of love and female agency. all men understand is reproduction like a virus and violence. you're literally AIDS

>>8120854

Hi /pol/. In your opinion, who's really ruling the world, the Jews or the women? There seems to be some confusion here.

>>8120835
>No, they're made by females and their golems.
Prove it.

>Hope you get a cervix necrosis.
Don't even know what that means. And your whole argument seems to be that "killing babies" is okay when the victims are female, so whatever validity your argument may have had got lost in the nonsense.

>I didn't imply that not being a man = being a girl.
So you think there are more than two genders?

>Then again you're some 70 IQ tranny so it's fruitless to try and use logic with you.
Actually I have an IQ of 130, which means I'm smart enough to know that logic is useless if it doesn't start from true premises.

>>8120875
It's not """your own body""" when there's another body inside you. Wipe that yeast infection froth off your mouth and use the dried up walnut inside your ugly head you call a brain for a minute.

>>8120869

>Of what? Being a murderer?

So, even though men are killing men and women and transsexuals at much higher rates than women do, you think abortion is more serious and that men are better than us. Very sound logic.

>>8120875
>abortion is an act of love
You can't make this shit up.

>>8120883
That's right. Another being is in their body without their consent - that basically makes it a trespasser.

>>8120875

>fash trash
>implying women should trust leftists

lol

>>8120882
>divorce courts always favor the woman
>child support fraudsters (women) are never tried for their fraud
>abortion laws always favor the woman
>adultery laws haven't been in effect for the last 60 years
>female quotas in companies, governments, bureaus, etc
>easier access to literally everything
You'd have a really fucking hard time convincing me women aren't the ones in charge.

>>8120893
>implying that making people suffer is an act of love
But then again I'm pretty sure you're already thoroughly cucked by the slave morality, so you think needless suffering is a good thing.

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>>8120613
>Okay I'm recentered now Morty, let's go.

:-)

>things never change without massive bloodshed and thousands - maybe millions - of murders.

While I don't necessarily think it's fair to conflate the implementation of liberalism in society with feminism / many feminist principles I think I see what you are getting at and for the most part agree, to successfully change deeply ingrained established social norms / the ways in which societies function requires lots of gradual change that eventually culminates often in some form of massive social upheaval (I don't think it necessarily has to be a violent one but more often than not it ends up devolving / features some form of violence to achieve said goals.)

Again this doesn't mean I necessarily think many of the goals I agree with that fall under the vague ideology of feminism inherently require massive bloodshed to achieve what I and others aspire for, though I wouldn't rule it out as a possible inevitable byproduct of attempting to change / restructure society from a "feminist's" ideological standpoint.

>If you need to advocate for a new principle against the will of the majority of your elders, it's not a principle that evolved naturally. Its one that was recently invented against the will of the elders.

This feels like a weak argument at best, by that logic, we should of never allowed slavery to be abolished, or society should of never advanced past some form of ancient patriarchal structure in which "elder men" held all forms of power / made all decisions.

I think I see what you are saying, which is essentially we mustn't forget the society / order of things we exist in when trying to change / restructure society for better or worse, maybe we just disagree to the extent that we should hold on to / consider "traditional" / preexisting norms when considering change, which is fine, too much of either side is no good.
>>8120714
I'm OP

>>8120888
Killing a woman isn't murder. You can only murder a human and women aren't human.

>>8120906
Without suffering, how can you measure joy?

>>8120869
>he thinks golems are controlling females rather than other way around

I know nazis think Jews are some kind of pseudo-women or whatever but really, this is getting ridiculous. If I controlled the world, why the fuck would trump be in power?

>>8120903
Leftists have done far more for women than the right has.

>>8120904
>divorce courts always favor the woman
Only when men don't fight for anything.

>abortion laws always favor the woman
Except when the laws outlaw abortion.

>adultery laws haven't been in effect for the last 60 years
Irrelevant, adultery can be committed by any gender.

>female quotas in companies, governments, bureaus, etc
Because otherwise those would be almost entirely male-dominated due to in-group favoritism.

>>8120899
>tie up someone and carry him to your property against his will
>kill him and use the trespasser defense
Women really are this scummy.

>>8120910

How's your mother these days, anon?

And that doesn't disprove that men are killing each other all the time, and women aren't at the same rates. Men are more often murderers than women.

>>8120916
Trump is a heterosexual and thus a golem. His (((daughter))) also has unprecedented power in the White House, if she literally can force her daddy to bomb her countries without having any legal authority to do so, it's safe to assume he's a fucking golem.

>>8120910
>women aren't human
Wrong

>>8120914
>more slave morality
You can measure joy based on what brings you pleasure. Realize how nonsensical your argument would sound if it was "without starvation, how can you measure food"?

ITT: Nazi transsexuals and men talk about killing women. Some Christian tranny talks about faith and God doesn't hate women.

4chan is amazing shit.

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>>8120931
>How's your mother these days, anon?
Dead and rotten, thankfully.

>>8120930
The women has no intent to do anything "against the child's will". They just don't want him violating their bodily autonomy. Also funny that you say "his". I guess you don't think kidnapping and murder is bad when the victim is a woman?

>>8120948
>create someone
>then kill him while he's defenseless
You deserve culling for defending this alone.

>I guess you don't think kidnapping and murder is bad when the victim is a woman?
Correct.

>>8120936

>only gay men are real men! straight men are golems! women control men but they still fight for legal abortion and elect a serial sexual harasser. This makes sense!

>>8120941
Pretty sure the biggest Nazi here is the one who says women aren't people. That's basically Nazi rhetoric, just based in misogyny rather than antisemitism.

>>8120959
t. golem

>>8120951
>>create someone
In many cases the women doesn't consent to that though.

>>8120966
>(((many cases)))
Yes cunt, everything is rape. Even when you say yes it actually means no since it gives you the power the destroy the man.

>>8120963
Not an argument.

>>8120960

I read somewhere Nazis believe Jewish men menstruate. Pretty wild, huh?

>>8120963

I'm actually a chick, and I have no golems.

>>8120969
I'm not even talking about rape. I'm talking about cases where the women gets pregnant by accident.

>>8120971
I don't feel the urge to supply subhumans with arguments.

>>8120960
???
Did Hitler espouse a hatred for women in Mein Kampf that I'm not aware of?

>>8120969

One of Trump's wives accused him of rape. Really destroyed him, eh?

>>8120977
>pregnant by accident
>yes officer I was just walking down to the grocery store on the corner, slipped on a banana feel and accidentaly fell on a dick
Don't want children, don't have sex. Simple.

>>8120945

Again, still haven't acknowledged how many murders men have committed.

>>8120984
No, I mean the whole dehumanization aspect.

>>8120989
Sorry, recreational sex is a reality in the modern world. You don't get to say women can't do it unless you say the same for men.

>>8120994
And you still haven't acknowledged that mothers abuse their children at higher rates than fathers.

>>8120999
Waste of trips, stick a kitchen knife up your smelly gash please.