Why are people so scared of TERFs?

>>8094983
I don't think anyone is AFRAID of them. It's just that nobody likes them. Even among other feminists they're hated. Whether this is justified is entirely subjective, but that's neither here nor there.

>when people mistake gender abolitionism for being a terf

>>8094983
because they're right

>>8095035
What's wrong with trans people assuming they don't buy into mythical gender roles?

>>8094983
Not scared but disagree.
They seem to picture all men as violent psychopaths and all women as caring loveable victims. And they think trans people just wanting to get on with their lives is actively harming them.

That and they don't like porn.

>>8095000
>Even among other feminists they're hated.
Uh, no legitimate feminist "hates" other women for their political opinions.

You're thinking of tumblr SJWs with loads of internalized misogyny who think yelling at other women is feminism.

>>8098999
>no true Scotsman

>>8098999
>implying TERFs' hatred of feminine expression isn't also based in internalized misogyny

>>8099020
adult transitioners don't have feminine expression

>>8095136
>They seem to picture all men as violent psychopaths and all women as caring loveable victims.
This is patently wrong.
I have *literally* disproven the first part with a poll recently. 65% of them believe that the reason men are more likely to be violent than women is due to a combination of socialization and biology, and 30% believe it's purely due to socialization. Conservatives who say "that's just how men are" have a worse view on men than feminists.

The other claim is just as wrong, though you'll just have to trust me on that.

>>8099006
We're talking about people who literally fall out of any meaningful definition of "feminist", as proven by their actions. It's like a bunch of Brazilians calling themselves Scotsmen, and you pointing at them to prove something about Scotsmen.

>>8099020
This is another stupid stereotype. They don't "hate" feminine expression. They correctly analyze it as something women are conditioned into to make them more passive and easier to abuse. There is no problem with feminine expression within a safe social environment.

>>8098999
>Uh, no legitimate feminist "hates" other women for their political opinions.
>Uh, no
>Uh
Red flag for bait, but assuming you're serious, what are your opinions on National Socialist women, and what about your argument doesn't fall into NTS?

>>8099039
>We're talking about people who literally fall out of any meaningful definition of "feminist",
I thought regular feminists already did that when they advocated for anything beyond the social and economic equality between the sexes and ventured into Sociological and Critical Theory woo.

>>8099039
>We're talking about people who literally fall out of any meaningful definition of "feminist", as proven by their actions. It's like a bunch of Brazilians calling themselves Scotsmen, and you pointing at them to prove something about Scotsmen.

Sorry senpai, you don't get to decide who is and isn't a Scotsman. That's the thing about ideologies and nebulous definitions. They mean different things to different people. If the majority of people who identify as feminists are terrible, maybe the problem is with feminism and not everyone else.

>>8099041
National Socialist women are the saviors of the universe and they will kill the cancer that is the viruses called men. :^)

Seriously what the fuck do you think someone defending radical feminism would think about any sort of Nazism? Are you literally so fucking ignorant about radical feminism so as to think they have something to do with Nazis?

Do you actually think that?

Holy fuck, some people are retards.

To answer your question: I find Nazi women sad, and disturbing. They're supporting an ideology that is extremely hateful, and subordinates them.

>>8099085
>If the majority of people who identify as feminists are terrible
The majority of people who identify as feminists are not terrible, because the majority of people who identify as feminists cannot be generalized, because it's too broad of a part of the population, because literally everyone calls themselves a feminist nowadays because nobody knows what the word means.

Words have definitions. Someone born in Japan, to Japanese parents, with no other ethnicity in his known lineage, is not a Scotsman. If people think he is, they don't know what a "Scotsman" is. Likewise, a woman who hates other women for fighting for female liberation from male supremacy, is not a feminist, she is an anti-feminist.

It's not that hard, sempai-sama-chan. It's actually very easy.

>>8099121
>Words have definitions...
The definition of your movement is just the combined definition of egalitarianism and women's rights activism. Neither of these things separately are feminism, nor are they bad things. Therefore, using "words with definitions" feminists are WRAs on the grounds of egalitarianism. That means they act because of an ideology. Stop treating nationality and ideology as interchangeable. They are not. One is do to the circumstances of one's birth and they other is chosen. Anyone who claims to be advocating for women's rights on the grounds of equality is by definition a feminist, even if you disagree with the way they do it. TL;DR: You're still yelling no true Scotsman and then telling everyone that the only true Scotsmen are the ones that make you look good.

>>8099169
>I have literally zero clue about feminism but let me tell you all about it, the post
Read a book, kiddo.

>>8099121
>To answer your question
I should have asked it more directly:
do you hate National Socialist women- yes, or no?

>>8099261
Define feminism, then.

>>8098999
No, that's stupid. If a woman advocates genocide there's nothing wrong with feminists hating her. You do realize that anti-feminist women exist? Feminism doesn't mean "never disagreeing with a woman".

>>8099039
>no problem with feminine expression within a safe social environment.
1) How would you define a safe social environment?
2) Can men exist in such an environment?
3) Would it be acceptable for men to practice feminine expression in such an environment?

>>8099039
Why should a feminist be trans-exclusionary?
Legit curious, since you seem to either be a TERF or at least defending them.

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>>8099261
>read a book
Other than the dictionary? You told me words have definitions. What better place to look than the dictionary?

Or are you just mad because I played your stupid game and still bested you at it? If so, pic very related.

>>8099121
>National Socialist women are the saviors of the universe and they will kill the cancer that is the viruses called men. :^)

Are you being serious or are you just joking / trolling? I really can't tell.

Can someone else answer as well please? If they are a troll they will probably say that they are serious.

Why you'd take feminism seriously in the Year of the LORD 2017, well that's a question for a different time.

>>8100167
>Why should a feminist be trans-exclusionary?
Why should a feminist be obligated to worship transwomen? Why can't we just treat transwomen as equals?

>>8100507
>I really can't tell.
>:^)

Seriously?

>>8100941
You do realize that being trans-exclusionary is incompatible with treating trans women as equals, right?