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Tub edition

• Makeup for beginners: http://masterposter.tumblr.com/post/116605714860
• Male vs Female measurement data: https://www.bwc.ohio.gov/downloads/blankpdf/ErgoAnthropometricData.pdf
• Correct hormone levels: http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm
• Checking your levels: http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php
• Reducing Muscle http://www.trans-health.com/2001/lose-muscle-gain-fat-dieting-for-mtfs/
• Size charts: http://www.americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=womens.pantse_conversion_chart.php
• Transition time lines: http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv
• Voice Training: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1ske7b/mtf_voice_training_regimen/
• Voice Help: http://webjedi.net/projects/lgbtq/speech-therapy/
• IRC: https://www.rizon.net/chat#mtfg

Previous thread >>8048792
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nim thread
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I once got called anti-semitic for posting pic related
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>>8049636
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0FPpwmyOYOd (embed)

my voice is a lil hoarse cuz its late x((
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>>8049642
well please make sure you realize how great that is that you have supportive parents like that

ive been having to transition in secret for the last 6 months cuz to a very religious mother that would be unaccepting of me transitioning
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>>8049648
>posting zio propaganda
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>>8049652
lmao
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>>8049654
pookie no
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>>8049651
Sorry to hear that.
I will appreciate them. I think they know I'm hurting in some way.
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>>8049657
im having for you anon

hope things turn out well for you <3
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>>8049654
DON'T STOP
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>>8049659
bury gwen in pillows
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I think I might get a little fat again and then work it all off again
Maybe my body will turn out differently a second attempt.
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I can't tell if I want to die or if I'm hungry
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help i need to be asleep i have a 30-hour drive ahead of me, please tell me i'm a good girl =[
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>>8049662
wtf dont suffocate me
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>>8049665
good girl =]
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>>8049659
im gonna do it
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>>8049666
gives u a lil tickle to calm you down
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>>8049669
no pookie i said no
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>>8049669
I have that skirt too.
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>Me: I want to wake up next to you.
>BF: I want to do everything next to you.

I'm seriously in love with this boy.
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>>8049669
Use the blood to write a forsaken spell of birch parchment.

>>8049670
/pees the bed
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>>8049658
Thanks friend
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>>8049667
tysm gooooooooood night
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This was more difficult than I had expected.
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>>8049674
it's too long on me :(
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>>8049669
Standing/profile pics with the qt skirt?
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>>8049677
on*
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>>8049677
spanks and sends to room without supper
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>>8049683
im good
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reminder that i could beat all of you up
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>>8049685
>spanks

Way over the line, Emi.
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>>8049688
You wish
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>>8049690
you were a bad girl
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>>8049693
It's your fault it happened!

Go back to bed...
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>>8049696
pls help me go to sleep
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>>8049697
go to sleep!
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hi i'm kali. ~4 months hrt, please roast me until i'm ding dong dead

unsee cc /serozadi/
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>>8049709
Cute but why the finger
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>>8049709
can you post a close up of your microwave pls?
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>>8049709
rude
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>>8049711
it's a genetic disorder, i'm always giving the finger =[

>>8049712
that was taken in a hotel room
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>>8049709
you look like me
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>>8049715
=o
o=
another ginger?
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>>8049714
do you know what brand it was at least?
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>>8049717
n-no more dirty blonde
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>>8049718
why would i pay attention to a microwave i didn't use

>>8049720
aw bummer. pic?
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>>8049723
i guess we don't now actually
but when i had bangs like urs yah
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good night thread
good night tanya
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>>8049730
tfw will never look like pookie
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>>8049731
Good night desu
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>>8049732
u dont wanna
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>>8049731
Good night Cindy.
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>>8049730
wowie you're adorable =o
i don't see the resemblance though
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>>8049735
Trust me I do. I'm dealing with pretty low chances of ever passing.
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>>8049740
same tho
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>>8049738
cuz we're both cuties ok
>>8049740
how long hrt
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>>8049744
7 months, but I'm 21 and going against pretty unfair genetics.
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>>8049752
that doesn't sound too bad
post a pic
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>>8049730
Were you like 12 in this picture?
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>>8049754
I don't know, not really comfortable with that. Last time I did here I got some pretty discouraging things said.
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>>8049752
yo i'm older than you, age doesn't always factor into it, buckaroo :T
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>>8049754
Pookie hi
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>>8049759
Maybe, but a lot of other things do and so far I've not had any luck. I see no reason to believe age won't hurt me either.
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>>8049752
Everything in the 20s is still fine unless you get really unlucky tbqh
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>>8049768
I've always been really unlucky. As far as bone structure goes I've gotten everything wrong. I'm very tall, my shoulders are huge. My face is gross. HRT is barely doing anything.

I don't believe in the idea of luck, but I also know nothing lucky has ever happened to me.
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>>8049766
you might be right, but you also might be criticizing yourself too harshly, idk. i worry a lot about aging, before i know it i'll be 30 and have to kms, as is tranny law
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>>8049774
Do you selfmed? Maybe change your dosage.
Maybe gain weight so hrt has fat to move around in the first place?
You are only 7 months in, it takes time anyway.
Do you have money or a way to save up for surgeries?
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>>8049775
Fuck the law! I started at 35 and I'm doing fine.
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wishin my brain wasnt the way that it is
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>>8049779
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>>8049775
I'm with you there. If I don't pass by my 30th birthday I'm ending it. I've known that since as far as I can remember.

There are a lot of really cute girls on here that criticize themselves unfairly. Nobody would every look at me and think I look feminine.

>>8049778
Can't afford anything more than what I'm taking now. 2mg progy and 12.5mg cypro. I was taking 25mg for a while but I need to stretch it out otherwise I would have to stop. 50mg was depressing me to the point that I couldn't get out of bed and spent every day shaking and crying.

I'm hoping it's enough. But I doubt it is.

>>8049781
Iktf
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>>8049779
aw hell yeah!
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>>8049784
I doubt 12.5 mg cypro is enough.
Maybe only take 25 mg cypro for a while until it damaged your t production enough?
I guess the E is wasted if you still have T in your body due to insufficient AA
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>>8049784
cypro is probably still nuking your balls at 12.5mg so i woudlnt worry, but you really do wanna be on more progy
also hugg
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thoughts?
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>>8049792
>$dollars

what's the movie on the right
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hello?
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>>8049755
i was 18 i think
>>8049757
aw:(
sorry to hear that
>>8049761
what
>>8049795
hello
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>>8049793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlRBIi7Rbuo
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>>8049790
>>8049791
Mixed responses here about cypro. I meant to say 4mg progy though, sorry I'm tired and have tears in my eyes :/

I'm trying to get a job, if that happens I can hopefully increase dosages.

Honestly I don't have much hope in this working. I was ready to kill myself a few months ago but I met a guy online that became my boyfriend. He's never seen me and says he's okay with that, but I still feel guilty about it.

I don't deserve someone like him. But I can't hurt him by killing myself. So I'm stuck for now, just praying for a lucky break.

>>8049797
You're not missing much. Imagine a 21 year old man with a big nose, widow's peak, a big chin, and broad shoulders. That's me.
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>wake up at 6:30 PM, take shower and brush teeth and shave legs etc @ 7, start doing makeup @ ~8
>start camming at around 9, finish my entire show by 11 even though i thought it had been 3-4 hours
>chill on mtfg for a couple of hours but it's still only like 2 am
>start doing hair masks, skincare, do laser hair removal on bod and two parts of chin i still get some hair
>do online shopping for outfits for camming, whiten teeth, clean entire apartment, groom nails
>schedule everything for the next week, organize entire pill regimen for the next few weeks
>do budgeting, planning for foods and take notes for the appointments i need to schedule
>only 3 hours has passed and it's 5 am
>mfw

WHY IS TIME MOVING SO FUCKING SLOWLY TODAY LMAO
AM I IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE?? WHEN IS THE SUN COMING UP
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>>8049797
I-I was just being friendly
I'm sorry
;_;
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>>8049797
You were an adorable, albeit very weird looking creature.
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>>8049803
Well there's no way to know how much cypro you need without blood tests but from personal experience I get into female T ranged with 25mg cypro. I've been on 25 - 50 mg for a year now.

A job will definitely make life easier for you.
As I said, maybe you can save up some money for ffs later. Having a goal helps a lot too.
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>>8049805
edie
don't tell anyone
but yes
you are in an alternate universe
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>>8049803
>that became my boyfriend
>He's never seen me
how can he be your bf if he hasn't left at least one load in your butt?
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>>8049813

;__; I AM L O S I N G MY MIND LMAAAO
you know i have like ... the most free time that anyone has ever had but every once in awhile it hits me like
JUST HOW MUCH TIME I ACTUALLY HAVE and i'm ready to leap out my fucking window
HALP
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>>8049811
FFS is going to be a requirement, if I'm ever going to pass it won't be without surgery.

I'm definitely putting all the money I can towards that, I need it as soon as I can get it.
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>>8049815
get a job, tends to take up all my free time and more but at the end of the day I have a decent resume. How tf are you going to ever have a decent resume without work experience?
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>>8049815
honestly i know the feeling
having too much free time makes me depressed kinda
i try to just fill my day up with as much shit as i can
even just taking a long walk can be nice if the weather is good
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>thinking about this image all day
tfw no bf
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>>8049820
wew~
called bf daddy earlier today
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>>8049820
Are you cute?
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>>8049822
I don't think so but everyone on mtfg has a completely skewed perception of themselves. It's hard to say.
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>>8049818

i have a job tho
and how would working at some shitty store pad my resume well lol
i think that ship has sailed kayla. this is why i'm just going to go to school and then intern and go from there.

>>8049819

;_; maybe i need more hobbies. do you have lots of hobbies?
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>>8049824
May I see you?
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>>8049825
must be nice to have life all figured out lady luck, I guess you want your bronze statue now huh?
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>>8049825
not enough hobbies no!
I'm actually planning on picking up piano tho when i'm back from greece in may. Should be a good way to spend time
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>>8049826
No..

I mean I've posted like partial face but I'm not posting full face until my hair passes my shoulders. Which is like.. 6 months at least away.
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>>8049832
did you shave your hair right before starting hrt as well? T_T
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>>8049832
Won't even share anything in private? Aww..
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>>8049827

lmao i definitely don't have life all figured out!!!
for what i want to do tho having a job that i actually qualify for (which would be like a convenient store gig or s/t) would do nothing for me.
because those kinds of jobs are mainly good for getting other similar jobs, or for making money so that you can live. cause that's what those kinds of jobs are.
they're a means to living. where as a career is a lot more in-depth. which i need to prep for with other stuff.
i study botany a lot too in my free time, or i did.... come to think of it maybe i should do that more so i'll be ready for school.

>>8049831

you're in greece?? :o i feel so out of the loop omg how is it?
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>>8049833
Cut for job interview like in November or something. Been on since July though. My hair grows pretty slow.
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>>8049835
>lmao i definitely don't have life all figured out!!!
The self righteous confidence you and every other full time passer exudes is beyond sinister and down right makes me dry heave. Its like everyone here is a learned Dr. or a porn starlet. Where is the middle ground? Am I all alone here?
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>>8049807
what did they mean by this
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>>8049839

>say i don't have shit figured out
>"YOU'RE SELF-RIGHTEOUS!!!!"

i'm confused lol
i am confident tho in certain things? i mean i make a lot of money so when it comes to my financial situation i'm good to go until i need to get a grownup career.
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>>8049834
Don't listen to this person.
She collects dox information and then spreads it among archive anons
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>>8049834
It's really not that impressive I just look like another mid twenties asian faggot
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>>8049840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOQUXWnKW-g

This should explain what I meant.

>>8049842
>>8049842
>>8049842
>>8049842
>>8049842
this
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>>8049835
Nooo not yet! I'm going on april 12th and returning on the 30th. Wanna see my family+ old friends + come out to them finally so i can change my fb lol... and also celebrate easter together since i havent done that in like... 5 years?
It'll be fun tho, i'll tell you how it is there if i catch you on.
>>8049837
it sucks :/
i take biotin and think its helping but its still so short
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>>8049841
>until i need to get a grownup career
that's the self righteous part, you act like its so fucking easy. "Hurr... just be a doctor hurr durr.. its not like everyone can't afford for more college" said every passer ever
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Strange
I'm hungry and I want to kill myself
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>>8049842
oh okay. i only showed it to like 2 people i trust anyway

>>8049846
yeah rip

i heard salmon helps

eating the salmon that is, not rubbing it in your hair
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>>8049845
i-i don't understand
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>>8049844
Okay, I believe you. I'll forget about it.
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>>8049849
good, i wasgoing to make sushi tommorow anyway
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Got a question, so over the last 2 months I've lost 7kg, with Spiro I do know your muscles deteriorate, how much do you think of the 7kg is muscle? Like, is there an average weight of Muscle that deteriorates over a month or two?
should I even be concerned at 76kg?
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>>8049846

dang are you nervous?? i know i was when i saw my fambam for the first time in 5 years since transitioning lmaao

>>8049847

??? that's not self-righteous. i think the word you're looking for is privileged? but even in saying that, i never said it was ridiculously easy
i just said that i have a job that pays quite well so i don't have to worry about working a job i don't like to make ends meet
and that when i am ready to go back to school and spend my money on that and work my ass off, i will have the job i do now to help and hope that i succeed
but why should i need to say all of that?? why do you just assume i'm acting superior lmao
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>>8049849
>oh okay. i only showed it to like 2 people i trust anyway

I do not actually do that. I am not Chara or anything.
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>>8049850
Pookie
Do you hate me ;_;
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>>8049852
If you can get your hands on them I think like entire salmon filets are better

Which part of Europe are you in again?

>>8049855
idk anyway i didnt really care to show much until i was passable longer on hrt
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So, uh, what do you females do in your free time
Do you have hobbies?
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>>8049859
>females
>hobbies
You may pick one
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>>8049854
ooohhh no i've seen my family, i meant celebrating easter LOL... It's kind of a special thing in orthdox countries... kind of a big fun party, looking forward to it.
And i'm kinda nervous about coming out to my old friends but like... idk i feel way more confident lately so i'm sure it'll be fine. Last time they saw me i had a literal beard and was massive tho, so it'll be fun to see how shocked they are by the changes
>>8049858
netherlands
i can get nori and rice easily and the fish here is pretty clean so it's good!
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>>8049859
Playing games, watching movies, going to bed early
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>>8049862
ohh okay

i thought like the best salmon in the world came from either alaska or the pacific
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>>8049863
>Playing games
Like Yahtzee?
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>>8049864
it probably does
although i'm really not going to be picky at this point
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I am really cold and lonely and sad

I am going to bed where it will still be cold and lonely and sad

Hopefully I don't get nightmares

Good night everyone
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>>8049867
Like pew pew games on pc
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>>8049869
nini
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>>8049856
just stop being so affectionate towards my girlfriend

i guess it's her fault too she receptive towards
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>>8049869
Night, Natalie.
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>>8049874
I'm sorry ;w;
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>>8049874
leave her, she will eventually cheat on you.
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You kids are so queer.
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>>8049877
its true pookie leave me im a monster
>>8049874
ill stop if it hurts you that much
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>>8049880
https://youtu.be/-XNaNckHBNA
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>>8049877
can't cheat on me when i live with her and have access to her phone 24/7
>>8049882
i told you it did two days ago when i blocked you an cancelled my ticket ;w;
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>>8049870
I'd make guesses but there are to many options.

I'm mostly here to see I can foster positive conversations among those who frequent the thread :v
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>>8049885
oh wow that sounds like a healthy relationship. Now I don't blame her when she does cheat on you.
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>>8049886
We already have positive conversations, no need to force them.
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>>8049853
I've been eating a lot more junky, Fish and Chips and Pizza too.
Which is why I am concerned, I could easily be gaining Fat, but masked by losing Muscle.
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>>8049885
hmm i suppose you did
>>8049887
tfw this anon will never cuck pookie
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i'm queer
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>>8049884
That was so cute.
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I'm bored again :T
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>>8049887
oh wow you sound like a great person because you saw one post of mine and now i deserve to be cheated on by my loving SO ><
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>>8049892
I know I really like that song :3
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>>8049895
>loving SO
wait whos that?
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>>8049897
Nii-chan ~
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>>8049896
I need more edgy music.
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>>8049901
I don't know that much edgy music, I'm sorry :/
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>>8049906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqbVnBtyfoc
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>>8049908
I'm at uni, can't listen to music ;_;
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>>8049906
It was honestly no worse than a lot of the rap from the late 90s to early 2000s.
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>>8049891
what does that even mean?
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>>8049919
idk honestly
i'm gay tho
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>>8049920
do you like sucking dicks?
>>
https://www.scribd.com/document/344115831/College-Life-Chapter-1-9
does reading transerotica make me agp?
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>>8049924
Do you fantasise about being a woman and crave the attention you may receive from being said woman?
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>>8049923
only if they are attached to a girl
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>>8049928
whoa chaser
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>>8049928
that's pretty gay
>>
>>8049929
?
i like girls with dicks or vaginas equally
how's Grace?
>>
Is it weird to not feel anything?
How do I fix this?
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All trannies should be executed.
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>>8049931
same B)

she can't make up her mind, round 4 coming soon™
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>told myself April 1st I'd be productive and my life would start moving forward
>accomplish absolutely nothing but getting laid
>this turns out to be a bad decision
> get drunk and cry all week accomplish absolutely nothing since 2015


God damn it being a transgender girl (read also: man) fucking sucks.
>>
>>8049930
*gay noises*
>>8049934
i assume you'll set the example?
>>8049935
omg
tell her i said hi
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>>8049934
you understand me chara, itd be for the best
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>>8049934
Same
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Good thing I'm not a tranny.

>>8049933
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvbaM-URygs

Listen to this and tell me you're still not happy.
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>>8049937
what do gay noises sound like?
>>
So who are the resident trip chasers? Drakeposter, Chara, gumball, _____etc
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>>8049938
<3
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>>8049941
the sound of gayness i assume
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>>8049945
post clyp.it
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>>8049937
>implying i exist
kek

>>8049938
When are we splitting Germany in half?

>>8049940
^=^

>>8049942
I'm not a chaser?
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>>8049940
I don't feel any different.
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>>8049934
>>8049938
Start with me PLEASE!
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>>8049946
just imagine the noises it's easy
>>8049947
fugg i hadn't considered that
really makes you think...
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>>8049927
not really, I just think finally accepting yourself, becoming a girl and getting dick are all tropes in these stories that I enjoy
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>>8049947
Chara
Hi :3
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>>8049949
Into the chamber you go.

>>8049950
You're a monster.
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>>8049947
I thought we were going to split eastern europe, like in the good old days?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RzNDZFQllA
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SERTII THE VIDEO I POSTED HAS GAY GIRLS IN IT
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>>8049954
rawrr
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>>8049953
Hey caroline, how are you?

>>8049955
Either works for me.
I miss the good days.
>>
Just out of this week's speech therapy session. We chat a lot during the massage half of those, and I mentioned finally watching Game of Thrones since that was one of those chats that got me into checking out what the fuss was all about in the first place. I joked in passing that we could pick one of the show's songs to practice next. Was thinking about the bawdy one with the bear but she started humming the Rains of Castamere instead so we ended up singing that together instead, helping each other for the lyrics, not that there are that many lines to it. Turns out her band was the opening act for the National when they toured in France, years ago. Anyway, that was a weird moment...
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>>8049960
I don't feel much but fine I think
How are you?
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>>8049957
im in the train i cant watch that
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>>8049955
Nah, splitting Germany is more fun. As is sending African troops to occupy and terrorize Rhénanie.
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>>8049963
It is SFW.

Do not let my grin betray your trust.
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>>8049965
dude no i mean i'm not gonna waste my data on that shit
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>>8049968
P-promise me you'll watch it later?
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>>8049970
if you link it to me on discord along with a pic of yours
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>>8049962
What does that mean?
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right
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Rib removal surgery in 3 weeks
I'm excited
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>>8049974
is that for cosmetic reasoning?
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>>8049972
Like
I'm emotionally numb rn
But I'm doing okay other than that
>>
>>8049974
Are you going to try autofellatio?
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>>8049976
Yep
It's to help me fit into a smaller size

>>8049978
No
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>>8049955
I have a friend who should do something important.
Should I terrorize said friend to do it or just leave them alone?
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>>8049980
I already ordered someone to terrorize said friend.
so d/w about it
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>>8049982
Ok :(
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>>8049979
have you exhausted over options before considering this? Or is this common to get ribs removed to add more curves in a MtF
>>
Bbl
Class time
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>guy sent me a picture of his dick

w-what do i do
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>>8049984
I have and exercise didn't do much.
I'm dong it for body shape and to finally fit in a women's small
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>>8049991
can I send you mine brah?
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>>8049979
but the rest of you will still be huge and gross
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>>8049991
Laugh at it and tell him yours is bigger
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>>8049994
Not really
This will allow me to fit in a women's small. It'll give me waist definition and a smaller rib cage.
My rib cage is already huge at 33"
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wwyd if a guy you went on one date with and then rejected because of random reasons started hitting on you and talking to you nonstop years after even tho he has a girlfriend now?
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>>8049998
Means he wants to fuck you, dah?
Things have probably gone to shit with his current girlfriend, or you are visiting him in his dreams planting the seed of temptation of a greener pasture.

Either way I say ignore it
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>>8049998
tell him I'm taken and then block him
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>>8049998
I would stop posting because you're fucking annoying. Filtered
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>>8049984
no it's not common at all

I'm pretty sure it is quite dangerous
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>>8050000

idk when we started talking he said he had a girlfriend and everything was going great and said he wanted to be friends etc
that doesn't stop him from like .... watching me on cam tho apparently? or snapping me pics and stuff

>>8050001

but i'm not technically taken
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>>8049998
Can't say about guys, for obvious reasons but I've had a number of girls do that over the years and I've never given that kind of second chance because if there was no spark at all to the point of stopping at first date, years won't change that.
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>>8050003
Pot... Kettle... Nuff said.
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>>8050008
>watching me on cam tho apparently
Yeah you know what is going on, don't indulge him. Or do what ever, I don't really give a fuck.
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>>8050010

we did have a spark but idk, i started dating someone else and was just like ok bye lol
but when someone says he has a gf and just wants to be friends and stuff i tend to believe them idk

>>8050014

why try to be a pig tho if you have a qt gf and stuff??? men confuse me
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>>8050017
prospect of sex.
You're attractive, he's cuntbag, he thinks you're an easy whore for camming.
Clearly doesn't give a fuck for his SO because he snapchats his dick to you.

To summarize he is horny, he thinks you are easy.
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>>8049996
his is a lot bigger than mine though
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>>8050017
Just be clear about the friendzone.
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>>8050021

well he hasn't snapped me dickpigs, just a lot of sexual innuendos, talking about how hot i am, about how i look on cam and all that
but i guess i get what you're saying. that just sucks cause i thought he was a good guy lol. as if that even exists these days idk

>>8050023

i have been! i don't flirt with him or anything, i just talk to him the same i do everyone else
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>>8050017
Whatd i say about you posting?


Nobody cares tranny nobody likea trannies
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>>8050025
are you going to fuck him?
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>>8050029

no lol
i haven't had sex in 3 months as it is cause i don't like hooking up with randos or anyone i'm not in a relationship with. EVEN THO I REALLY WANT TO. it just feels weird.
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>>8050034
Than I'd be pretty stern with him, set up boundaries if you want to keep him as a friend. Though once he understands that he will not get to fuck you he will disappear again.

And you pass and adorable, you can get anyone you want. Go find someone cute and fall in love.
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>>8050034
Tell his girlfriend about it.
She doesn't need to be hurt like that without knowing it
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>>8050037

;_; aw, thanks, anon. that's really sweet lol.
OK I WILL DO THAT TY

>>8050041

should i tell her? idk she's REALLY pretty and stuff and he hasn't sent me dick pics or tried to fuck me or w/e so
is it worth it? in regards to her feelings being hurt or not trusting him i mean
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>>8050045
Yeah, if I was cheated on -flirting is cheating desu- i'd want to know it. I'd eventually hate the person who told me (it's happened) but at least I'd know.

I don't know her obviously, but she deserves better I think. Well telling you you're hot, hinting at sex and 'watching' you on cam stuff is almost like a dick pic
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>>8050046

>flirting is cheating desu
is it tho?????????? i would much rather a guy flirt with some chick than sleep with her or something idk
he only told me i was hot and watches me on cam, he hasn't hinted at sex!! just sexual innuendos.
example: he sent me a random pic of his hands covered in white paint (he's painting his bathroom) and talked about a change of pace when it comes to white stuff on his hands lmao
just yknow flirtatious shit and innuendos. no actual dick pics or trying to fuck. that's why i'm torn.
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>>8050046
The blokes a dickhead and the girlfriend in question deserves better but I don't think it's Dollface's place to tell her. Just to ignore him.

Flirting isn't cheating by the way. Although it doesn't mean it isn't a serious betray of trust in a relationship and grounds to break up with someone with.
>>
Ohayou /mtfg/

6mg Estriodol feels gud
will sleep with bf in just cleaned sheets
its 50 outside, I'm not sick

how are you
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>>8050048

Look, coming from a "straight" guy bringing up sex in any sense with a woman is hinting at fucking.
He wants you to think about him in a sexual light, so talking about himself in that kind of sense reminds you that he is a sexual being.
It's also a way to test the waters, if you react positively towards the comment it gives me ground to pursue you with more raunchy things.
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>>8050048
>is it tho?
It really is. If you're flirting, using sexual innuendos and such, with someone who isn't your partner it's cheating.

>>8050049
A betray of trust that involves someone else /is/ cheating. Cheating isn't only 'fucking with someone else'

Well, that's still messed up and his gf should know about it desu
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>>8050053
this, definitely.
I've been cheated on enough times to know
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>>8050054
Yay, someone who is as strict about this stuff as I am
Seems I'm not crazy
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>>8050054
Nah senpai cheating is sex. Flirting isn't in the same category is that.

Would being in love with another woman, when you are dating one be considered a betrayal of trust, thus cheating?
>>
I've been awake for 37 hours and even tho it's not the longest I've ever been awake I am really tired because I exercised as hard as I could today even though it wasn't that much

I wish I was happier and stop eating when sad
I'm sorry for sadposting so much and you all hate me and I want to be better but I am too damages to get there but I am trying hards till anyway
goodnight
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>>8050053

i guess i can see that. alright :/ why does this happen with literally every guy that i dump though??????????????????????
are all men like this??????

>>8050054

to me flirting isn't cheating in the slightest. emotional affairs are diff, but that involves a prolonged period of that kind of thing
it's only been a few days with this guy and it's been relatively tame. idk i just don't see the point of fucking this woman's happiness up lol
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>>8050059
Nini sheen. I know how you feel, but that doesn't make it better
>>
lol flirting isn't cheating wtf
married couples casually flirt with other people and it's pretty healthy to do so unless you act on it
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>>8050060
that's a lot of question marks brah.
why does it keep happening? Because you're cute and guys regret leaving you because you'd be a decent fuck.

Are all men like this?
Yes, and no.
All men will flirt like that, but not all men will flirt like that while in a relationship with another woman.
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>>8050060
It might not be to you, and that other person who responded to me, but to most people it is cheating though. Anything even remotely sexual, such an repeated innuendos are an obvious display of "I want to fuck you"

And saying that is, to most people, cheating.

I kinda let my boyfriend flirt with guys for personal reasons but I'd consider it cheating.

>>8050057
it is a betrayal of trust. usually, in monogamous 'closed' relationships, it's a rule not to talk dirty (in a sexual way, here, innuendos) to other people than your partner. Basically -indirectly or not- telling them you want to fuck them. That's definitely a betrayal of trust.

>>8050056
It's not crazy it's basic relationship rules.
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>>8050063
It depends on what kind of flirting it is.
There the super ironic flirt and the serious / kinda serious type.
I'd consider the latter to be unacceptable

>>8050066
not for the people here
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>>8050063

flirtation is banter and like.....every couple i've seen in a healthy relationship does it to some extent
i tend to find the ppl who encourage this extreme strictness tho think of a relationship as like ownership of the other person
and they tend to fall into unhealthy relationships repeatedly cause their standards for behavior are somewhat extreme
that's just my opinion tho. i've been cheated on in the past and it's easy to know what is and isn't betrayal idk

>>8050064

they're not leaving me tho, i'm leaving them lol! and each time they get a girlfriend who is nice and cute and i'm always happy for them...BUT THEY STILL DO THIS SHIT
idgi at all. like when i'm in a committed relationship i don't go out looking for other ppl. cause why be committed if you're unhappy?

>>8050066

>to most people it is cheating
i don't think it is to most people lol
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>>8050048
>you're hot on the porn I've watched of you
>I masterb8 to porn like every other guy

Ed
ie
No boy is watching your show for its artistic value.
Cmon now
>>
>>8050072
It is to most people. Just not 4chan
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>>8050071
actually that makes sense
I wouldn't call serious flirting cheating tho, still a breach of trust
>>8050072
^
i agree with you, but i suppose there's a difference between casual/funny sexual inuendos (banter basically as you said) and what this guy seems to be doing. Not cheating but a breach of trust i guess.
>>
>>8050072
>cause why be committed if you're unhappy?
Because they are unhappy, but there partner is. and destroying your partners happiness takes a lot of will power.

And if you leave them, you leave them wanting more. It also feels like you are to good for me, because you left me. Resulting in me at one point trying to see if I can get you to fall in love/sleep with me/like me. as a way to validate myself.
>>
>>8050063
Flirting isn't cheating if it's light, and irl, and doesn't contain sexual innuendo.
If you go out of your way to message someone.
Yeh
It is
How do you think his gf would react if she found the messages?
I'd losE my shit and ruin his life
>>
>>8050073

I MEAN TRUE LMAO but i tend to think of porn as........porn? i watch it and do something else
for some reason tho, in my experience with guys, the ones i've dated (or date) like...SUPER sexualize me in a weird way
like they find me a lot hotter and like a fantasy? but i'm also a real person and they know this?? it's like they don't know how to separate me from the fantasy and they like
act out the fantasy kind of?????? IDK IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN AND IDGI AT ALL

>>8050076

idk i've lived all over the country and have been in many relationships and have many friends in them and no one ever thinks that lol
but it definitely is a breach of a trust and shady af when it's serious

>>8050077

def agreed yes

>>8050079

i guess that makes sense lol
i suppose jeopardizing something you don't care about much isn't a big deal if it's not important. it just boggles my mind
>>
>>8050082
see this >>8050081
It contains sexual innuendos and the dude masturbates to your cam videos.

That's definitely a 'breach of trust' which is, when sexual or romantic, cheating.

Either way, his girlfriend might need to hear about it.

A breach of trust is as serious as cheating.
>>
also keep in mind that i'm a camgirl and men fantasize about me and sexualize me for a living so maybe i have diff views than most people lol
altho despite that i'm pretty traditional with dating and think of work as just being work and not personal

>>8050087

>A breach of trust is as serious as cheating
i guess :/ i just hate to be that bitch yknow
>>
>>8050082
Yes, but you were never a pervert boy brimming with T wanking it to female Internet porn stars for hours a week
Why can't anyone just understand:
MEN ARE FUCKING TERRIBLE.

Women are nice to men I'm public, because women are nice.


Men are nice in public, b/c they wanna smash.


Quit playing dumb.
It's not like you couldn't land a man through other means, anyways
>>
>>8050082
>SUPER sexualize me in a weird way

That's because you are the physical embodiment of their fetish, and not their actual partner. They don't see you as an equal rather their fetish enabler.
>>
>>8050059
hopefully with all that fat jiggling around you will dislodge a blood clot and die from an aneurysm
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>>8050082
Also...
>super sexualize me
that's part of being a tranny really.
plenty of guys have done this to me too.

>>8050088
Well you're not the bitch, the guy is the bitch for doing this
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Hey hon, just a reminder that you're mail
...is here. I left it on the counter for you. You got another package from that qhi person.
>>
>>8050096
>you're mail
>mail
ok
>>
>>8050097
I have become qhi
I am mail
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ever since i started hrt i literally wake up every single day feeling astonishingly gay and just wanting to hug and kiss girls and its not normal for me to even have any feelings
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>>8050098
I have become ups,
destroyer of mail.
>>
>>8050099
homo
>>
>>8050090

WELL IT'S NOT LIKE I'M TRYING TO LAND HIM, I'M THE ONE WHO REJECTED HIM LMAO
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MEN NEVER GENUINELY WANT TO BE MY FRIEND
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ENDS UP TRYING TO FUCK ME WITHOUT FAIL

>>8050091

also tru. it's kind of gross to me tho that they would (possibly) fuck up their SO over some fetish or sexual experience

>>8050094

being a tranny camgirl that's sexualized is diff than being a sexualized tranny, idk how to explain it tho
like even guys i date who are really sweet and don't sexualize me..........when they see me jacking off on cam and giggling and riding on a toy they like
turn into 16 year old boys and tell me they can't stop thinking about fucking me all day long
but i guess that's just what happens when you're a sex worker
>>
>>8050102
Man being a cute girl must suck :c
>>
>>8050102
Because you're a woman, stupid.
I dont keep/attain male friends for this very reason.
Tbh, I fjnd myself more and more longing for a gayboi friend so I can have some damn male social interaction about more than work
>>
>>8050103

i'm not even that cute!!!!!!!!!!! i'm just average. but an average girl with a dick to many men is above average lmao

>>8050104

no offense to the gays but i don't find gay men to be the male interaction i crave tbqh.
i like having male friends just cause we can talk about vidya and cool shows and current events and stuff.
but literally e v e r y single one has at some point turned it into something sexual so fml i guess
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>>8050101
i am very much gay
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>>8050108
Here a fun tip, all guys I mean literally everysingle one, will fuck their female friends given the opportunity. Once again coming from a "straight" male.

and fuck off you are adorable mate.
>>
>>8050108
>an average girl with a dick is above average
boyfriend has mentioned multiple times that it's nice I was born and grew up as a boy because now I like video games and shows and stuff, and nice I didn't grow up like a cis girl because they're taught to be little princesses and take everything for granted and such

>I like having male friends because [...] vidya and cool shows and current events
Same
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>>8050111

WHY THO LMAO
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>>8050099
Same, but with boys
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>>8050114

Guys like sex, female friends are people that can give sex.
Really not that hard to comprehend
>>
>>8050118
It's kind of sad that so many guys have a caveman mentality like that :/
>>
>>8050118

but ... that makes the friendship weird
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>>8050120
You might want to tell them if you're uncomfortable.

Like
>"dude, I understand you think I'm sexy but it's fucking weird as fuck. so stop, please, let's just be nornal friends who play video games and talk banter"
>>
>>8050111
>literally every single one
This isn't true I have at least a handful of guy friends that I don't think have any sexual interest in me.
>>
>>8050120
Look I can't think of a single female friend that if called me up could not convince me to go over there and fuck them. 90% of my friends are female, if that means anything to you.

Some of your male friends will be flirty with the hope of sex, most once they know they can't get it will be a little more distant but will still want it. And the others will fall in love with you and never admit it, and be the best friends you will ever have, they will not pursue sex, they will go out of their way for you and make you feel like a valued human being. I have been in that situation of loving a woman I will never be with.
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>>8050123

i do tell them that but that makes it weird too
you can't win lmao i've been living as a woman for 7 years now and all i've learned is that you can't win

>>8050130

EVERY SINGLE FEMALE FRIEND? don't men have like standards for who they fuck??? or wait do men only pursue friendships with women they want to fuck?
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>>8050123
That is also a fantastic way of alienating said friend. even if they will never admit it they would still like to be seen in a sexual light, and you telling them to stop being attracted to you is pretty much a massive fucking kick in the teeth.
If I was told that I would be fucking out there in two seconds.
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>>8050132
Weird or not, as long as they get the memo, you know...

It makes me cringe that guys act this way to be honest.

>>8050134
>I'd be out there in two seconds
that's good, that's the point. Guys who act like cavemen don't deserve friends of their prefered gender. ACT LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING
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>>8050123
Hey thanks for thinking my before revision pic was cis looking.
I haven't laughed like that in a very long time.
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>>8050137
It was tho. And other people agreed...
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>>8050135
>"Hey can you like, stop being attracted to me, like I see the way you look at me and I really don't like it, I just wanted a mate that I could talk about vidya with and shit"

I would never actually try to initiate anything with you, because I do actually just want a friend. Sex isn't on my mind, but if you initiated it, it would not take much convincing for me.
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>>8050141
>it would not make much convincing me
Don't guys have 'standards' or would they fuck all of their female friends regardless of their beauty?

Tha latter would be very sad
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ook ook me apegie me no pass ook ook me smash face with rock
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>>8050132
yes every single female friend.
Yes there are standards.
No I do not pursue female friends I think I have a chance of fucking, given the opportunity I probably would fuck them though, might take some alcohol in certain situations.
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>>8050148
>>8050141
forgive my typos, i always do these when I'm in arguments for some reason
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>>8050140
Hahahaha
You need to do stand up
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>>8050150

honestly lmao

>>8050151

but what if your female friend was ugly af
where are the standards there if you need alcohol??
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>>8050154
Seriously, HOW can you think your face is not cis-female looking?

HOW? I'd do anything to have your face. This is making me mad
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>>8050157

i wouldn't acknowledge her psychosis tbqh, this has been going on for years
the second you agree she's hideous she'll get defensive and be like I'M ACTUALLY CIS AF LOOKING TYVM. then she'll say she's trolling.
this has been going on for like 4 years lmao
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>>8050154
>>8050157
Post the face you two are arguing about please
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>>8050152
All good mate, I have made tons too.
and I wouldn't call this an argument. This just how I think as once again a "straight" male bloke. and most of my other mates share the same rational.

Like I said I can't think of any female friend I wouldn't fuck, even the 160kg girl, because she is a fantastic person and I would literally do anything for her, and if she wanted to I would.
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>>8050161
Lurk moar
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>>8050159
Weird. I'd probably act like this too, thinking about it.

But she's undeniably cis-looking. There's no telling otherwise.

>>8050161
I'll let her repost her pic, it would be rude of me to post it.
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>tfw I'm a dummy and forgot to get an umbrella
>tfw torrential downpour and possible tornado warnings with this weather
>>8050150
Same
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>>8050168

>But she's undeniably cis-looking
.....................................i mean
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>>8050165
that's kind of sad.
I mean, being wanted sexually is nice, sometimes. But too much is creepy and just.. unwanted.
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>>8050166
Pretty sure it was the person from last night talking about revisions but I'm just being cautious
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>>8050172
what? oh I see what you're doing owo

>>8050175
ye it's her
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>>8050155
Please no bully Edie
Trying to be nice here

>>8050157
Philtrum, chin, sunken cheeks and deep-set eyes
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>>8050176

l m a o

>>8050177

STOP TROLLING THEN ABOUT THIS FOR THE 50TH TIME
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>>8050177
I didn't see any of these desu. You look like a regular girl. Not the 'most beautiful on earth' but just a regular girl, that I'd definitely think as cis if I saw you.
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>>8050175
That person is Angie and she has been whining about her face nonstop for years to get (You)s
Again, lurk moar
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>go to convenience store wearing big bulky jacket that makes me look more like a dude
>get called ma'am while paying

Bitch how
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>>8050174
You're right, and a lot of blokes know the line when it comes to being creepy. We will test the waters if we are interested and not looking for an actual relationship. If you respond positively we will push it. Some are more aggressive than others in this manner.
If you throw up walls, and we are somewhat decent human beings I will back down because I am not going to pursue you if you are not interested. If I only really talked to you because I was hoping for sex I will probably become more distant then just fade from your life because there is nothing in it for me, nor you.
But most times I am just looking for a mate, and if you're chill and we can talk about vidya then all good.
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>>8050181
Yup I've heard of her before and seen the pictures too. I've mistaken anons with no name or trip for the wrong people before so I always play it safe
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>>8050183
There, that sounds much better said like this.
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>>8050096
tfw upper body like this
tfw little boy hips
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>>8050186
would still fuck your brains out if you called me up sad and wanted someone to take care of you in that way.
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>>8050188
hrm...
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>>8050188
Damn I need to get more male friends
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>>8050188
I mean, still okay I guess.
But iunno about other girls, but sometimes I'd like to turned down if I ever asked for sex from a male friend. (who's not a crush)
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>>8050180
seeing trips irl would be interesting b/c you'll really get to see what they look like and the cropped pic they fish with here
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>>8050193
wait, if you ask for sex, you want to be turned down?
Kinda trying to see the rational here pls help
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>>8050180
That's your problem
Ugly girls don't pass for girls
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>>8050192
i thought female privilege would mean a pool of guys and orbiters for you to pick from
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>>8050188

>mfw i remember one of my guy friends calling me drunk and coming over to hangout and refusing to leave because he wanted to fuck me
>mfw i remember another guy friend asking me if i loved him and telling me how much he thought about me all day
>mfw another guy friend asked me to be his gf nonstop as "a joke" and acted weird when i said it wasn't funny
>mfw another guy friend told me he was attracted to me even when i was a gay boy and how he regrets not fucking me in the past
>mfw another guy friend told me he wanted to dominate me and fuck my mouth while his friends ran a train on me
>mfw guy friends

WHY CAN'T YA'LL BE NORMAL
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>>8050196
Well I'm kinda interested in the idea that not all males would want to have sex with me.

I like the idea that some guy /wouldn't/ want to have sex with some girls that are friends of theirs.

It makes me think guys have standards, that they're not just sex-crazed monkeys, and that they actually are human.
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>>8050198
>female privelege
What is this?
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>>8050198
female privilege is only for cis girls anon.
trans girls don't really get that unless they pass really well
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>feeling ill for almost a week now
when does it end? I just feel bad all the time
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>Stand next to a 6'6" guy.
>Feel normal for the first time ever.
I wish I was short so I could feel this always.
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>>8050201
well if you were my mate, and I probably have no sexual interest in you, but you wanted to fuck, I probably wouldn't say no.

so
I see you as cool girl mate, I don't sexualise you in anyway
you call me one day, asking if I want to fuck you.
I will probably say yes, even if it was never on my mind before that.
Standards are existent with strangers for me, not friends.
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>>8050198

how is getting sex a privilege tho lol
it's not exactly hard for anyone to get these days
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>>8050203
like when you go out in girlmode and guys are nice to you all of sudden

it's really unfair b/c no one (except for some gays) gave you the time of day before in life

>>8050204
you must be picky b/c guys are thirsty
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>>8050211
>probably wouldn't say no

There's the problem.
Can't guys just learn to say no to sex? Like, this is messed up
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I like Debussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRZmdzCGLYw
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>>8050199
ya'll know some pretty weird dudes, if I was in that situation i can take a hint and back down.

also the guy that said he wants to date you as a joke actually loved you, and you broke his heart. Don't feel bad, he sounds pretty creepy.
The rest were really creepy aggressive and I am sorry you had to experience that.
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>>8050214
Lol I'm even more invisible as a girl than as a guy what are you even talking about
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>>8050221
female privilege is a /r9k/ theory

it doesnt really match up with reality but people in this website unironically believe in blanchard so dont pay it much mind
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>>8050220

maybe this is just how guys who are into the same stuff that i am are lmao
also it's not exactly a privilege to have men hit on you and creep on you every time you leave your house, js
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>>8050217
Only if I wanted to pursue a relationship with you, then I would discuss the manner, and if you were just interested in sex then I am not certain what my actions would be. If I feel heavily for you I would probably not do it, but If my emotions were on the fence I would.

If I have no intent of pursuing a relationship and neither do you I will probably just fuck the life out of you. Because it is pretty rare sex is served to a male like that.
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>>8050225
Idk, I feel like people are more nice to me now.
For example today all the guys in front of me had to show their student ID to get food for a reduced price but I just had to say "yes I'm a student" and it was fine.
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>>8050225
Privilege is a meme theory overall.
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>>8050225
Sure, if privilege is having the occasional compliment and having people hold the door slightly more than before.

Real privilege is having someone actually listen when you open your mouth, I legit miss that. r9k is tarded
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>>8050231
You would say 'no' if you actually loved me?
I don't understand this. It should be the other way around. You saying yes if interested in relationship, and saying no if just friends.

Also what happens if I'm in a relationship, am drunk and said:
>hey my bf is an asshole come over and fuck my brains out
?
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>>8050237

tru
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>>8050228
It sucks that guys see you as a sex object. Unfortunately your line of work relays around you being seen as one. Although you can make the distinction between work and personal, many guys will have a much difficult time. Because we're fucking idiots.
Although the ones that want to fall in love with you will not behave like this
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who /thicc/ here?
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>>8050240
Because if I loved you, and want to to be with you I don't want to ruin it by jumping straight into sex with you. I want to talk to you, see if you feel the same way, or see if you only looking for sex from me. Because if you could never return the feelings I have for you, then the only thing I feel like I could do is leave your life forever and move on, fucking you will make that impossible.

if the guy is a decent human being he will talk to you and make sure everything is ok and not take advantage of you, if he is an actual friend.

If he is only interested in sex with you, then he will do it, and that is someone who I would not consider a friend.

I personally could never cheat on my partner and I could never be the reason why someone else cheated on theirs.
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>>8050249
No, Communism is a stupid ideology that has outlived it's relevance.
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>>8050238
i mean this is the same people who believe that people transition so they can live life in "easy mode"

its literally just paranoid misogyny
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>>8050244

the guys who hit on me irl are not aware of what i do for work tho, they just see that i do my makeup and dress nicely and ...idk
i literally can't leave my house without some guy either whistling at me, hitting on me, or staring me up to down in a VERY obvious way
usually all of those things happen every time. it's much worse in the spring/summer than in the fall and winter. winter is the only time it doesn't happen as much.
it's not a privilege getting cornered in a coffee shop or having a guy follow you in his car or having someone yell at you loud af because you don't respond to them. it's scary.
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>>8050249
I wish I could be but even after years my body likes putting the fat on my stomach instead of thighs
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>>8050249
>communism
no thanks.
I'm all the others tho

>>8050251
Sounds good. mhm.
Okay, but what would you respond in this situation?
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>>8050255
it sounds scary, and it sucks you have to experience that. Some blokes are just fucking animals, and see you as an object, and it truly does suck.
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communism is good
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>>8050252
you make koshka sad
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I am a meme irl because im funny and a meme online.


My goals in life are too use humor to start a youtube channel and become a youtube meme since I know how to become a meme and get views like that while travelling being a stand up comedian and studying IT stuff as a fallback plan.

Im buying a leather jacket with a six pack of beer and going to make youtube videos.
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>>8050258
my response would be no, because I could never ruin someone's relationship. I would try and consult you and see what is causing you to act this way.
So no I would have sex with someone in a relationship even if it was an unhappy one.
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>>8050262
Millions of dead Ukrainians can't be wrong :)
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>>8050259

ya but even in the extreme cases it all stems from the same thing, which is men not seeing you as a person. that's not a privilege!
a guy opening a door for you or being nice to you has to do with him wanting to impress you for sex or because he thinks of you as weak.
it can be easier to live your life as a girl in some instances if you abuse this, but it's not an abuse of a privilege, it's an abuse of a cripple lol

>>8050265

hi slater
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>>8050267
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>>8050254
Idk it's a pretty easy mentality to have when you've never had to live as a woman, I mean I was even tarded enough to assume anything meaningful would be easier.

My experience has been that it is more difficult in a lot of ways, and there are very firm social expectations. Men have them too, they're just different.
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>>8050270
RIP Tukhachevsky the most.
He did literally nothing wrong.
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>>8050266
you sound like a nice guy anon.
kinda upset over the 'would fuck almost /any/ female friend if she asked' thing tho.

but you're alright anon. You're all right.
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>>8050269
>a guy opening a door for you or being nice to you has to do with him wanting to impress you for sex or because he thinks of you as weak.

I ahh.. what? Those thoughts never cross my mind, and I assuming you mean they do subconsciously even then I am going to hold the door open for you because it is polite, I do it for males too. When I am done taking a piss and I see a bloke walking up to the stall I was just in I will hold it open for him.

Just trying to wrap my head around this one.
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>>8050219
Same


Tfw no bf that sexualizes u to an unhealthy amount but it's ok bc u love him and ull stay together forever
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Я нa caмoм дeлe кaпитaлиcт блaгoдapю вac зa иcпoльзoвaниe интepнeт-пepeвoдa
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>>8050271
I guess since I've basically always mostly mingled with women (they've comprised a majority of my friends throughout my entire life) I never really fell for the idea women could've had it easier than men.

I also kind of mingled with other trans people for a pretty long time before I could safely bring myself to transition which means I kind of never assumed this would be easy.

But yeah I can see how you could have these misconceptions, I'm sure there's still a bunch of shit about gender roles and expectations I only know about vaguely but haven't yet directly experienced.
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>>8050279
You're a disgrace to the Commonwealth.
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>>8050277

holding a door open to be polite is diff than going out of your way to open the door for a girl, that's what i'm sayin.
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repress and this could be your life!!
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elanna passed away last night
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>>8050286

honestly i'm the tranniest tranny who has ever trannied and this is still my life
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>>8050274
Well thanks Zoe.
I like to think of it as a mutual arrangement to benefit both our needs. Like helping a friend out ya know? By fucking them senseless

c:
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>>8050267
The Museum of Communism being next to a McDonald's gives me a giggle tbqh
>>8050287
rip
>>8050286
That's my life anyway
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>>8050283
I ahh.. like if I see you coming up to a coffee shop and I am inside the coffee shop, that I would get up, open the door for you. Then return to my seat?
Cause that is fucking weird, like I am not going to go out of my way to do that.
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>>8050280
Yeah, I had female friends pretty consistently but was always kind of an outsider plus I spent a lot of time on 4chan and other stuff so I think I picked up at least some of the angry misconceptions. My sister pretty consistently called my a chauvinistic pig when I was a teen so may have just lacked self awareness.

Idk you'll have those moments eventually. Sexism a shit.

>>8050282
lol I trol u

>>8050287
I've been praying for this day
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>>8050290
Sex isn't always the solution to problems tho lol
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>>8050294
Canada, you should just leave the Commonwealth, go on get out of here you Communist moose fuckers.
>>
In the future all trannies will have ormed a government and use robots to wage war on Cis Humanity

A last alliance of men is formed, but they fail, the cis males are to be human batteries while the repressors face a much worse fate of captured, forced transition.
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>>8050296
I love that you didn't actually read the body of my commie posting
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>>8050295
but it's pretty good though right? and the cuddles after it main, falling asleep with your arms wrapped around someone, their butt up against your cock as you pull them closer to you.
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>>8050298
uh? I'm sorry?
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>>8050293

ik but guys actually do that shit lmao
or they go out of their way to walk in front of you so they can open the door for you and then smile at you and try to spark up a conversation in line
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>>8050299
most guys wouldn't stay for cuddles. they'd just fuck, smoke a cig and leave.

I'd want the cuddles also before (and still after too) tbqh
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>>8050300
I trol u
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>>8050303
b e t r a y a l
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>>8050286
>tfw this is how my cool granddad on my mum's side died
he was playing one of the 90s Tomb Raider PC games at the time
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>>8050301
yeah that's really bloody creepy and once again I am sorry you have to experience that.
And I understand what you mean by using it to your advantage isn't a privilege rather playing on their disposition of seeing women unable to help themselves.
but you're a big girl, you can kill your own spider and order your own food at a restaurant, contradictory to what my ex thinks though.
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>>8050303
I don't speak Russki, I'm only on this website to bully Canadians.
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>>8050307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S8X-5yDlHg
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>>8050308

>you can kill your own spider
actually no i can't do this
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>>8050302
if the friend you called on for sex didn't stay after for cuddles, are they really your friend than? heh

cuddles before though? maybe, I dunno. Like with my ex we use to spoon and we'd rest with my dick insider her as we cuddled like that. something like that? Cause cuddles before is odd unless I have been over for a few hours and we are already just chilling
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i cant tell if i love someone ive known for months online or if im just extremely lonely with no friends or family to chat with.


Probably both...im so so lonely...

Ive never even felt lonliness until 2014...
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>>8050314

There was once a spider in my hallway, I was in bed, she was outside the hallway waiting for me to come kill it. It was 2am.
Kill your own spider pls
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>>8050306
Meh, the lifestyle that I have is entirely made possible because of consumer demand, profit incentivised innovation and the almighty dollar.

Don't know why people even have meme ideologies from the industrial revolution when the real threat is having their livelihood automated away and/or outsourced anyways.

>>8050309
Can you bully my character, it actually gets me horny.

>>8050316
I always thought cuddles were easily turned into foreplay
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>>8050325
They are easily turned into foreplay, but if you call me over to fuck and then ask to cuddle before we do anything else I will be slightly confused for two seconds.
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>>8050316
there's been friends on facebook I kinda wanted to have sex with. I always thought of wanting to cuddle and do cute things with them too tho...

If I want a fuck a friend, we have to act almost like it's a relationship.

im weird
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>>8050325
You're a lood rood dood with an insatiable cocklust.
How's that?
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>>8050331
A bit light for my tastes I like things that can leave marks.

>>8050329
Idk, I'd probably want to cuddle before fucking but maybe I'm just weird. I need something to get in the mood or else it's kind of meh sex
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>>8050321

>Kill your own spider pls
no
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>>8050330
yeah doing cute things is normal, but in that situation calling them over to fuck is the wrong way to go about it.
Calling them over to watch you make cupcakes and then watch a movie together is the right way to do it. Because you can cuddle up, tickle each other or someshit, suck his dick ya know.
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tfw long face
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>>8050335
Sorry, a twig armed faggot like me can't help you with that, you need to find yourself a real man.

>>8050341
Same.
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>>8050337
mhm.
t-that's kinda hot..
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>>8050341
same
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>>8050336
mate, if it is 2am, I am in bed and you just turned on the halllway light and see a 4x4cm spider just chilling on the floor I am going to be a little mad. Kill it ya nerd.
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>>8050342
Well shit I guess I might have to get out of bed for that, that sucks.
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>>8050350
With the internet you probably won't, just tinder some guy and have him come over.
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>>8050352
Tinder is for normies
I am one with my pillows and comforter you can't make me
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>>8050356
>comforter
Jeez is there a single tranny who doesn't own one of these?
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>>8050343
you should read some of my erotica in Australian bogan dialect then.
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tfw no bf precum right now
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>>8050346

>Kill it ya nerd.
n o
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>>8050358
???
It's another word for a duvet literally everyone owns one

What do you think I'm talking about
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>>8050359
>Australian bogan dialect then.
I dont get it
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>>8050363
A dildo, here will call them doonas or covers.
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>>8050362
what are you, some kind of girl?
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tfw no bf/gf hug
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>>8050368
>a dildo
Oh
If you want to get technical I own five of them
>>
why am i overly suspicious that everyone on grindr has hiv
>>
>>8050372
Jeez
>>
>>8050371
Iktf
>>8050373
Nah
That's why online hookup things weird me out a little
>>
>>8050371
same
I mean i have a bf but he barely talks
>>
>>8050374
4 of them are medical devices only one of them was bought for the express purpose of using as a toy
>>
>>8050365
it was a shitty joke anyway Zoe don't worry.
>>
>>8050380
Oh right, you have a vajayjay.
>>
>>8050377
i use facebook for dating. you can see their friends, what they like, how they interact with others. pretty good desu.
>>
>>8050383
I think the technical term is mancave
>>
>>8050391
fuck me, lol.
>>
>>8050180
Well you need to look harder and be able to differentiate between masculine and feminine features.
Example: Square/angular jaws are masculine and can never be feminine.
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>>8050391
I thought it was axe wound?
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>>8050394
wat
>>
i cant tell if i love someone ive known for months online or if im just extremely lonely with no friends or family to chat with.


Probably both...im so so lonely...

Ive never even felt lonliness until 2014...

Can someone please reply i feel weird when i dont get yous in this general...its always got at least one person that pretends to care for some reason...
>>
>>8050394
I've seen so many cis women with square/angular jaws lmao
>>
>>8050404
Iktf.
So who are you anon, mtf / cis?
>>
>>8050369

;____________;
>>
>>8050404
sounds like the latter.
>>
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>>8050395
Yes, I will also accept innie-dick
>>
>>8050407
Next time you see a spider you can not call upon a man to kill it, you r strong woman. kill spida
>>
>>8050404
its prob both
dont make ur love wait
>>
>>8050414
Stench Trench
Penis Fly Trap
Handwarmer
Cocksocket
Fish Tank
Cum Chasm
>>
honestly considering getting back together with my ex just to have someone to cuddle with.
>>
>>8050419
>Penis Fly Trap
This is now my favorite
>>
>>8050417
ill try it why not even tho im retarded irl...
>>8050408
ya once you go irl online stuff always fades away fast.
>>
It's the 5th and I'm already almost broke ;_;. I get paid on a monthly basis
>>
>tfw becoming a boring normie

where did it all go so wrong lasses?
>>
Has anyone had experience with online voice lessons? Not like apps but coaches who help out. I'm really considering searching for one and am curious if anyone had good experiences
>>
>transactions will be processed next business day
>3 business days later nothing has happened and mutual funds have gone up in price
Reeee
>>
hi im here now
>>
>>8050448
are you investing in the stockmarket or something?
>>
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>>8050448
i stole ur moni lani
>>
tfw no lou reed bf

interesting note..on his cd the blue mask he sings a line 'only a woman can love a man' but the line was suggested by his trans gf to help renormalize him in the public eye to sell records. sad :/
>>
>>8050401
Her jaw is still masculine. Her jaw is bigger than her father's.
Her other features are feminine though so it gives her a more feminine look than masculine one.

>>8050405
Yeah they have them and those jaws are masculine. Have you ever seen a feminine square/angular jaw?
They don't exist.
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>>8050461
I have a small investment portfolio, it's in a managed mutual fund. It's medium risk and some of it is in stocks.

>>8050463
Pls no
>>
>>8050439
I take lessons with zheanna, a girl used to post here. She's a great teacher, and imo she's better than going to a traditional speech pathologist because, bring trans herself, she knows from experience what works.

You can probably look her up on the archive and add her to ask about it. I don't know if she's taking new students.
>>
>>8050467
ive thought about doing that with some of thet money my dad left me

wouldnt know where to start though

how's your experience been so far
>>
>>8050469
yeah what the hell she's researching techniques used to help people with sleep apnea to try and help me get pharyngeal resonance down

that's a good teacher :)
>>
>>8050474
Tbh I'm jealous that she gets to Skype with nim and see what she looks like....
>>
>>8050467
maybe I should do something like that too. what's like the minimum amount of cash you need?
>>
>>8050477
oh i never show my face

w-why would you be jealous though
>>
>>8050483
Wtf why not

And idk... I'm just curious
>>
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>>8050470
It's never too early to start, and it's actually very straightforward to start investing. I just go through my bank and a lot of banks have a good number of options for investing, you can just wander in to one of your bank branches and they can probably set you up and guide you on what best suits your needs. So far I've been pretty happy, I haven't had mine for long but they have gotten returns and they are growing because I have a regular investment schedule. It's good to know it's there in case I absolutely need it.

Most have minimum initial investments but it's usually nothing crazy, like $1k or so.

>>8050480
Depends on the bank and the type of portfolio you're setting up. I expect around $1000 most of the time
>>
>>8050486
how much returns we talking?

i could probably invest like 2-3 if i was confident enough
>>
>>8050485
because im gross so why would i show my face to anyone
>>
>>8050470
>>8050480
I just read /r/wallstreetbets and they've never steered me wrong
>>
>>8050489
-_-
>>
>>8050492
wtf how are you always here to do that
>>
>>8050489
S M H
>>
hugg a nim face
>>
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>>8050488
Right now, 2.7% over 6 months but Q1 this year was unusually good. There is no guarantee of performance, a well managed mutual fund can still tank if the market is bad, although they're usually diversified enough that you're unlikely to see massive losses. Mutual funds are not principal protected, you can lose money with them and they can underperform.
>>
>>8050469
Is that how you managed to find her? Feels a bit disheartening if she's done teaching, but thank you for the information!
>>
>>8050496
yeah that's what worries me

i guess that's the risk you take when investing in the stock market
>>
>>8050494
what

>>8050495
hugg a beepboop
>>
tfw skull autist gets to you
>>
>>8050503
The average circumference is 21 to 23 inches
>>
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beepy beep dogger lady
>>
>>8050506
ye im a lil under 23
>>
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>>8050498
Risk affects potential returns
My portfolio is medium risk and has some of its assets in stocks and commodities and therefore is subject to some amount of volatility.

Low risk mutual funds may have most of their assets in bonds, high risk mutual funds may invest in highly volatile markets or even stuff like energy. You have to balance your desire for growth and desire for risk. I'm considering opening a smaller RRSP with a high risk at some point just because I'm young enough to recover if my retirement fund tanks.
>>
>>8050464
Lou Reed was cool dude
>>
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>>8050507
=w=
>>
>>8050506
male or female
>>
drugg a beepbeep
>>
>>8050513
v cool dude. v cool music. v tran friendly
>>
>>8050497
Yes. I only know she said she had a huge demand from here and that's why she wasn't taking on new students for a bit, but idk if that's lessened. I'm sure she'll at least talk to you though and let you know her status.

>>8050503
Skull autist is actually not wrong per se but most people aren't multiple std deviations above even male averages like she is. So it doesn't apply to you most likely
>>
>>8050518
protect a beepbeep from creepers
>>
>>8050518
*becomes unable to function or do anything but cling to ur side*
>>
>>8050520
lil under 23 inches
>>
>>8050516
That varies really
https://www.google.com/amp/www.refinery29.com/amp/average-head-size

These women are 22-23"
Men tend to have slightly larger skulls
>>
>>8050523
love a beepbeep forever
>>
>>8050525
A lot more to it than just circumference... Yours is fine I'm sure
>>
>>8050534
what do you mean
>>
i really hate my large pore desu
>>
>>8050537
*poreS
>>
cut my testes into pieces,
this is my last resort
>>
>>8050535
There are a lot of factors other than circumference that encompass "skull size". Most of the rest you probably don't even have the tools to measure. It's not worth worrying about unless you are an outlier (like skullfriend is)
>>
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Everything is gonna be alright
Everything is gonna be alright
Everything is gonna be alright
>>
>>8050520
Oh if she's just not taking any for the time being then, I'll look her up and maybe add her later tonight to see if she can chat about it a bit. Thank you anon!
>>
>>8050541
what does her skull look like
>>
>>8050546
You're welcome, good luck!
>>
>>8050545
yeah maybe
>>
>>8050546
her skype is Dreamsura
>>
>>8050547
I've never seen it but she's posted measurements (taken by a forensic anthropologist) which show her measurements compared to male and female averages, plus markers indicating how many standard deviations above male averages she is. In many of them she's 2 std deviations higher. This makes like a 1% outlier, and it's that way for her in MANY of the measurements made.
>>
>>8050559
oh

but why does she post on here if she's like the 1%
>>
>>8050545
https://youtu.be/OD3F7J2PeYU
>>
>>8050545
Don't lie to me
>>
Tfw no szechuan sauce
>>
im still a lil mad that they didn't play a new samurai jack last week
>>
>>8050567
Well even for those of us who aren't such extreme cases, it's still an important issue because it highlights just how incomplete ffs is. Basically, even though she's a 1% outlier in dozens of features, the rest of us very well might be 1% outliers in 1 or two features. And while for the most part those don't prevent passing, they might still be something that makes a trans girl really dysphoric. Current ffs can't fix all those problems and there's no motivation for ffs surgeons to improve their techniques enough to solve them. Especially when so many trans women take ffs to be "good enough" and give them money.

Plus, yeah she's a 1% outlier, but even those of us who are exactly at male averages are still going to be above average (probably like in the 80th percentile). Not uncommon at all, but still maybe something that draws a bit of unconscious scrutiny. It's worth exploring.
>>
>>8050575
i happen to have some
>>
>>8050584
Wouldn't it have gone bad by now?
>>
>>8050586
how do you know how long i've had it?
>>
what mcdonalds brings back the sauce because of that episode

what if that was dan harmon's plan all along
>>
>>8050589
Since 1998
>>
>>8050591
is this a joke idgi
>>
>>8050592
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGRDCRuPklc
>>
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>>8050589
>keeps chicken in the fridge for months
I don't know, Sertii, you tell me.
>>
tfw the water got shut off in your house so now you have nothing to drink xD
>>
>>8050596
>>8050597
idk senpaitachi my sister gave me some plastic bags and it says szechuan sauce a few months ago
never heard of this being a mcds thing
>>
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>>8050608
im just messing with u pal

im just a joker

a big ol joker

i make jokes
>>
>>8050597
also bullying is mean the chicken was fine
>>
>>8050608
Ok I'm going to get you in on the joke
http://www.polygon.com/2017/4/4/15176518/rick-and-morty-mcdonalds-nugget-sauce
>>
>>8050616
huh ok
i still need to see that episode
>>
>>8050619
I still need some fucking szechuan sauce
>>
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>>8050614
I have never bullied anybody, in my entire life.
>>
Nine more seasons. It's my series arc morty
>>
heres the ep btw

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/62xj8c/rick_and_morty_season_3_premiere/
>>
>>8050636
where's the samurai jack episode
>>
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Hello, I'm new to this board and this is my first post here. How are you doing? Anything important I should know about this general?
>>
>>8050590
the sweet chili sauce was the best
gone too soon :,(
rip
>>
>>8050625
Why is 9s so upset in that comic?
>>
>>8050642
we're all girls
>>
>>8050642
do girls have cat ears
>>
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>>8050642
If you're a boy this thread will do everything in its power to meme you into being a girl
If you're already a girl, you're here forever
>>
>>8050642
You should know that this particular mtf general is mainly used for socializing, and not too much discussion about trans issues.
>>
>>8050649
can you unmeme me i dont like the joke anymore
>>
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>>8050642
Trans chatroom
>>
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what's wrong with this anime girl
>>
>>8050642
I'm thread mom just yell if you need anything
>>
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>>8050655
It's too late you took the magic pills there's no going back I'm stuck in the same situation.
>>
>>8050659
no cat ears
>>8050650
theres plenty of that desu
>>8050639
it was 2 gay
>>
>>8050644
nier automata is a sad game
>>
>>8050662
what happens if i stop them do i explode
>>
>>8050664
im a wolfgirl is that okay
>>
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>>8050668
It was really comfy before it got sad
>>
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Main mummy soon!
>>
>>8050670
you kill yourself
>>
>tfw mtfg is making you a slow lazy worker

Smart phones were a mistake
>>
>>8050670
Estrogen is highly addictive last time I quit it I was jonesing in a few days
>>
>>8050679
i heard if you take T when you're off E it makes you really alpha
>>
>>8050678
Iktfff
I need to stop posting here while I'm supposed to be busy
>>
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>>8050668
tfw not rich enough to buy consoles
>>8050672
thats ok and really cute
>>
>>8050684
I don't need to do that I'm already alpha
>>
>>8050692
no but E sucks your gains bro
>>
IMPORTANT POLL REGARDING LINK RELATED: https://www.longtallsally.com/nl-en/shoes/boots/lts-charley-lthr-chelsea-boot-16M43/p?option=16M43BOR

http://www.strawpoll.me/12682299
http://www.strawpoll.me/12682299
http://www.strawpoll.me/12682299
>>
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>>8050647
Good to know.

>>8050648
Not all of them

>>8050649
I am a boy (male). But you can try ;)

>>8050650
Great!

>>8050656
Can I join even if I'm not trans?

>>8050661
I will. Thank you.
>>
>>8050688
is it okay if i awoo too
>>
>>8050688
i got it steam family shared by a friend

my computer can barely run it, i had to disable global illumination via third party tool entirely to get it running at a playable framerate

even with all those issues its legit one of the most important games ive ever played
>>
>>8050695
ya they're cute get them already wtf
>>
>>8050694
I thought that was more from having ded balls
>>
>>8050699
not surprised. the first one was a godsend
>>8050697
awoo with me
>>
>>8050702
i'm in doubt now
my mom didn't like them
everyone else said yes but my mom has good taste
>>
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>>8050696
I don't have to try, you're already avataring with anime girls

We all know how this is going to end, and it's probably going to involve lots of estrogen injections and dick up the ass.

>>8050694
You've seen my gains bruh
>>
>>8050705
just because i can't produce sperm anymore doesn't mean im not alpha
>>
>>8050707
http://vocaroo.com/i/s16JCpMh9nqh
>>
>>8050710
https://www.longtallsally.com/nl-en/shoes/boots/lts-charley-lthr-chelsea-boot-16M43/p?option=16M43BOR

Y/N???
>>
>>8050710
im going for agility not bulk
>>
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hey grils.
feeling kinda bad today. :(
>>8050714
>tfw you were bursting @ the seams w/ testosterone
always have been,
& always will be
alpha
as
fuck
>>
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>>8050696
Yea anyone can join
But animeposting is for girls desu, do you wanna be a girl or something?
>>
Hey what's up everyone I am drunk please talk to me it's not even noon yet and I amwasted
>>
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http://jyllands-posten.dk/sport/fodbold/ECE9484115/svenske-fodboldfans-tog-muslimsk-hovedbeklaedning-paa-til-kamp-og-sneg-sig-uden-om-spritny-lov/
>A new law in Sweden prohibits wearing masks at sports events. However, the law does not apply to masking for religious reasons.
>The football fans had a banner with them at the last match which said:
>"AIK Ultras now mask ourselves for religious reasons. Freedom for Ultras is the most important objective. Thanks to the interiorminister for the loophole in the law."
lel, dem tolerance laws and exceptions.
>>
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>>8050734
s-same
>>
>>8050737
is this homelessbean?
>>
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>>8050720
Depends what you're wearing them with and your foot shape these kinds of shoes always make me look like I have cankles. Try them on?

>>8050724
But you lack both
>>
>>8050741
wtf how do you know

i could be agile
>>
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>>8050735
He just needs to find a hot anime guy to avatar as, its not that hard, they're definitely out there.
>>
>>8050707
https://clyp.it/dppuomxf
>>8050741
hmm i was more planning to wear them with leggings and skinny jeans tucked in there, not really leaving any part of my calf exposed
>>
>>8050740
Don't know who that is so probably not

But hmu I'm lonely like give me your number or your steam or something
>>
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>>8050739
just kidding.
i don't even qualify as an omega.
men are more quick to see me as the objective than as competition
>>
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>>8050710
>>8050735
>I don't have to try, you're already avataring with anime girls
>But animeposting is for girls desu, do you wanna be a girl or something?
I just thought that I'd fit in better if I posted anime. Guess I was wrong. And no, I don't want to be a girl.
Sorry.
>>
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>tfw rainy day...
radar says it's already rained over 1.5"
>>
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>>8050751
Definitely wouldn't wear those with leggings or skinnies. They're boots, they should be paired with boot or straight cut.
>>
>>8050755
h-haha
>>
>>8050758
same here

>>8050752
where do you live?
>>
>>8050749
what problems are you making up? doesn't seem like you post about made up stuff
>>
>>8050760
why does everything i say make you stammer like that?
you're always so brief & vague too :/
>>
>>8050764
being sad when people call me boyname and just general sadness idk ;-;

also was a bit selfdoubting today so maybe it's just me being silly
>>
>>8050749
drakeposter did nothing wrong
vilified for telling the truth to a group of people who just couldn't handle it desu
>>
>>8049653
>>8049653
>>8049653
>>
>>8050766
uhh i just dont talk much irl so i guess it transfers over to online too
>>
>>8050774
ok
>>
>>8050777
sorry :(
>>
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>>8050759
reply in next bred
>>
>>8050767
I get that way too
>>
>>8050763
I live in Texas, Bryan/college station.
>>
>>8050759
>boot cut
>ever
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