srs thread

>>8014245
The few here who've had SRS aren't going to post their results.

SRS may be ok at some surgeons, but most surgeons are so shit that it's not worth going through with it, even if it's free.

>>8014257
Which surgeons are any good then?

>>8014257
>most surgeons are so shit
i rather think its the surgery itself that is shit, some have just managed to glorify it a little to make themselves stand out

I'll post my rar archive of post op results later tonight if this thread lives.

>>8014245
I've been looking more into SRS lately and have been looking into surgeons. From what I've seen Suporn seems to be the only surgeon I trust but that waiting list is so daunting

File: vagwall1.jpg (672KB, 940x573px) Image search: [Google]

672KB, 940x573px

>>8016132
Please do! I really need to see some results! I am going to Brassard because he is the only covered one in Canada. I messaged the clinic and my doctors/psychologists forwarded all my readiness stuff but I still haven't heard back from Montreal.

Going to post these so people have an idea what level of variation there is in cis vaginas too.

File: vagwallpt2.jpg (701KB, 940x573px) Image search: [Google]

701KB, 940x573px

>>8016168
Part 2

I have actually only seen results from brassard for one one person and the healing steps were so nasty looking but the end was ok. A lot of the online archives of the post op results got taken down last year and I never got to see them.

File: vagwallpt3.jpg (173KB, 900x548px) Image search: [Google]

173KB, 900x548px

>>8016174
here is the last part. These were all done by an artist who took plaster molds of cis women.

>>8014257
>The few here who've had SRS aren't going to post their results.
Why not? It's not like they'd have to include their faces or anything.

>>8016203
I would think that after srs and ffs there's really no reason to stick around

>>8016334
Why not? It's not like transition is ever really "over" or surgery makes you cis.

I'm on a 4 year waitlist for bowers
Fucking kill me

>>8016374
I haven't even had surgeries myself but as time goes by I come here less and less. The constant angst just gets kind of tiring, especially when it's the same things over and over. After a while you either figure it out and learn to cope or you don't and still post here all the time. When you start to pass you kinda want to stop letting trans topics into your life as much.

Anyway this is a good thread OP, I'll check back later to see if there's any useful info!

In the end,for me its either getting it for free here in Spain (which will result in a butcher and a disaster,I've seen pictures and it looks so bad the few people who would get close to it would want to either laugh either puke), or spending money for something out of here,prices are nearly the same for most surgeons if you count with the fact that I need a place to stay for the recovery time,and all that kind of expenses, so as probably suporn is the best of them all,I will go with that.

>>8016473
Just how bad is SRS in Spain and other countries where the government provides it?

>>8016564
I cant post pictures because rules and because the place we had as kind of a susan's place spanish version is inactive since a little less than 10 years ago.
As I remember,it is REALLY expensive (like 25k euros just for the surgery), and surgeons go for depth more than functionality or aesthetics,so they can achieve 20+ cm, but usually you arent able to orgasm until you "get the click" in at least a few years.
Also they are so bad they end up looking either like a hole in the middle of nothing, with no or little labia, or a mess with "a little of everything around".

>>8016435
totally agree on this I used to be a very frequent anon but once i started passing and got srs I rarely come on now only out of boredom and to see if there is that one rare thread that actually has valid stuff to read about, but for the most part this board has just been posting the same old shit for years now.

>>8016168
That's not true at all. Coverage is by province. Ontario covers pretty much all north american surgeons these days. They wont cover suporn because of a payment issue.

I'll post the rar when i get home.

>>8016827
Nows your chance to do some good. Share your resaults anonymously.

>>8014245
Bowers shouldn't even be allowed to practice, Brassard seems better but he still uses penile inversion, so that's a bit iffy too. The only surgeons I actually trust are Suporn and Meltzer, it's between those two for me.

>>8017687
>Bowers shouldn't even be allowed to practice,
[citation needed]

>>8017757
Okay

http://imgur.com/a/Fjwez (caution: very nsfw and gross)

Basically, trannies are even worse at knowing what a vagina looks like than men, because at least men have SEEN real vaginas before.

Alright here it is.

NSFW post op resaults sorted by surgeon:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xqww3i81q2zifyi/post%2520SRS.rar?dl=0

If anything is unsorted or wrongly attributed let me know.

>>8016174
>>8016179
Yet some neo ones are so recognizable, namely

2nd pic, 2nd row 3rd from right
3rd pic, 3rd row 3rd from left

Here's hoping they'll look better than just gaping holes one day.

>>8018402
Wait, why do you think there are neo-vaginas mixed in? Just because they look like neo-vaginas to you? Or are there actually?

>>8018425
I'm pretty sure the author just wanted to put all kinds of vaginas in, so adding in some neovags would make sense.

>>8018448
That's the make cis girls less self-conscious, not to make mtfs less self-conscious.

So no, it does not have neo-vaginas in it.

>>8018495
http://www.greatwallofvagina.co.uk/about

>Included are mothers and daughters, identical twins, transgendered men and women

>>8018495
I love how you just invent headcanon about reality and then repeat it as fact.

>>8017561
>>8016827
>>8016435
i know that several post op people post here and on /cd/ but no one ever wants to share their results

>>8018507
Those ugly ones probably went to Bowers or McGinn kek

>The suporn in February
The bad news is that I'm circumcised seen chettawut pussy in real life too and it looks okay so don't feel bad if you have to settle for hin

https://twitter.com/TheRealSveta/status/820194810862546944

recent result from suporn, still not very real looking

>>8018739
Imgur please? There's no picture for me.

>>8018755
it's a clip

>>8018757
Well fuck. I got banned from Twitter a long time ago lol

>>8017781
They'd look much better if she actually made a clitoral hood, instead of going for the dick in between butcheeks look.
They all have quite a bit of scar tissue too

>>8018766
Exactly, it's just a slit, it's nothing. It's for people who absolutely need to wear swimsuits and yoga pants, don't actually care about having sex, and their insurance covers it.

I'm actually glad so many surgeons are shit, because it narrows down my options considerably, and I don't have to be so indecisive. But the decision between Suporn and Meltzer is still killing me, since I only have one shot to get this right.

>>8018765
Make a new account?

File: IMG_0098.jpg (240KB, 1133x1305px) Image search: [Google]

240KB, 1133x1305px

>>8017781
Thats not even a genital

>>8018739
Looks very pink which is better than most
Also she has no breast development whatsoever

>>8018739
>>8018757
Upload it to rokket.space

There's not a video on the tweet either.

>>8018766
>They'd look much better if she actually made a clitoral hood,
Why would any surgeon not do this? It's like an FtM being given a cut dick.

>>8018838
http://i.imgur.com/pOLjNP2.jpg

>>8018838
Its in the rar under svetlana

>>8018342

>>8018779
Looks at the rar file further up. Meltzer looks like a shit surgeon.

Brassard and suporn are the only ones that seem any good.

>>8018739
Wait, isn't this girl actually kinda hot? Forget SRS, where did she get FFS? Lol

File: drgrg.jpg (268KB, 640x1136px) Image search: [Google]

268KB, 640x1136px

>>8018920
Is she?

File: C1dIa2HUcAESMPp.jpg (50KB, 640x1136px) Image search: [Google]

50KB, 640x1136px

>>8018949
Yeah she is.

>>8018869
Can't figure out how to view this file on my computer :<

I really don't want to make a bad decision tho..... It's just that I have apprehensions about Suporn too......

>>8019000
Just get winrar and unarchive it. Its just a bunch of pictures.

I'm not sure if you're old enough to get SRS before either of those surgeons retire if you can't even open a .rar file.

>>8018851
phalloplasty, the surgery that 'gives you' a dick, is always cut because they haven't figured out how to make decent-looking uncut ones yet
metoidioplasty is almost always uncut though because it makes the dick out of your masc-clitoris

>>8019011
I ended up doing it on my Mac with UnRarX, but it's not organized very well. The only girl here who I know for sure was done by Meltzer, is Mia Fever, and she looks okay. Where are the bad ones?

>>8019181
Danielle foxxx is also a Suporn result if you're curious

>>8019181
Mia fever is a brassard:

http://kattnippxo.tumblr.com/post/74370921162/makemeagirl2-mia-fever-this-is-brassard

>>8019181
I sorted them by surgeon. Every one in a sorted folder is confirmed for their surgeon.

Whats wrong with how I organized it?

File: download.png (14KB, 221x228px) Image search: [Google]

14KB, 221x228px

>>8018739
So jealous
I hate my life i hate my life i hate my life i hate my life

>>8019244
Get a job hippy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Transgender_Surgeries/comments/5xd28p/a_collection_of_links_to_photos_of_srs_results/

A list of results.

>>8019314
>>8018739
>>8018342
Looking through all of these it just makes it seem like Suporn is the safest option :/ Brassard doesn't seem that bad but not worth the extra cost as someone who isn't Canadian

>>8019194
Whaaaat, so I was wrong this whole time? That's interesting, I guess Brassard is better than I gave him credit for, but penile inversion does still put me off a little bit. Especially because I have a small penis.

>>8019244
Ur an unpassable hon anyways, don't crowd the waitlist for real girls and stay living under a rock

>>8019359
Penile inversion is a meme. None of the major doctors do strictly classic penile inversion. They all have their own proprietary techniques.

Brassard claims suporn does roughly the same thing as him but with minor tweaks if you ask him. Take it with a grain of salt because all the surgeons pretend they're the best (especially meltzer and suporn).

File: IMG_0103.jpg (30KB, 733x132px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 733x132px

Depressing

>>8019569
This is the consequence when things like that are legal.

>>8019389
>Brassard claims suporn does roughly the same thing as him but with minor tweaks if you ask him.

Ehhhhhh

>>8019569
Ehhhhhhhh... So I shouldn't go to Suporn because I'm circumcised? Fuck what the hell am I supposed to do?

File: 10892-20130918134226000000000.jpg (3MB, 2000x1514px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 2000x1514px

>>8019580
>tfw mutilated at birth

File: 20170324_065941.jpg (79KB, 364x385px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 364x385px

>>8019366
I pass fine irl you hon

>>8019584
Look at it this way. Suporns clients usually have small uncircumcised dicks. He has spent most of his long career working with that.

Brassard (and other north american surgeons) have been working with comparably larger circumcised dicks.

They're about roughly equal with depth and sensitivity so its just a matter of aesthetics and preference.

>>8019606
What happened to that hideously scarred face from working in the uranium mine with your uncle?

>>8019651
I exaggerated

>>8019642
But my dick isn't even big, it's really small, just circumcised. And I'm still wary about Brassard, I REALLY can't afford to regret this decision because it will put even more of a damper on my whole life and self-concept.

>>8019688
How about you look at all the pictures. Make a decision, then call all the doctors and ask for a consultation and do your own damn research you baby.

>>8019695
You actually almost made me cry with that, I guess I am a baby lol

The fact is, I just can't do anything because I don't have money. But thanks.

>>8019569
how many transwomen have been screwed out of good results by their parents' arrogance and stupidity

>>8019762
I'm one of them :(

>>8018507
>>8018402
I still don't think those are the neo vaginas. I think they are just deeper cis vaginas

>>8019706
You're gonna need a thocker skin if you want to make sure you don't get screwed over.

If you can't afford it in a foreseeable time frame don't even bother looking onto srs. It'll only make you more dysphoric.

Otherwise look for insurance and other ways to afford srs. DO NOT CHEAP OUT. Nothing is sadder than the stories of post-ops that went to some no name butcher because it was cheap. Look at the pictures under unknown/thai in the rar.

>>8019769
it needs to change.

>>8019762
My foreskin split apart at 11
I had a chance and my body blew it

>>8019784
I'll let you in on how you cam tell its a pre-revision neo-vagina. If you look at all the other vaginas the bottom labia encircle and close off the vagina entry. The labia minora also reach the hole and become smaller up to the end. This is known as the fourchette.

Post-op vaginas almost never have one of these even though its a normal cis female feature. The reason is because you have to dialate a lot soon after recovery to keep the vagina from enclosing on itself. Sergeons don't bother making a fourchette because its almost a certainty you will accidentally ruin it during the healing process. They will usually offer to create one as a second step or as a revision after the surgery. usually most post ops don't bother gettingg it fixed.

You can email any surgeon about it and they'll give you the same answer. You can also see it in those pictures posted higher up.

Anyways it doesn't mean that those vaginas are trans because casting isn't actually a good representation of genitals as you would typically see them. But if any of them are trans i would bet a decent amount of money on it being those two, especially the first one.

>>8019827
There are probably more that are trans tbqh, if she makes a point of mentioning it on her website, I've seen trans vaginas with what you're referring to.

>>8019784
Oh and i almost forgot to mention that the second one has a very large frenulum the goes into the vaginal opening. This isn't characteristic of cis vaginas. Women do have frenulums as part of the fourchette but they're much smaller and don't go into the vagina, they merge into the labia.

On men the frenulum (the little line of skin that goes all the way from your anus to balls. Are actually where the labia and entire vagina structure fused together in the womb.

>>8019822
Couldn't it have been stretched and rejoined or at least left as it was, split?

>>8019883
They decided on emergency circumcism
I dunno, maybe maybeline was bribing him for foreskins for something

>>8018342
Jesus the brassard results from tgirlbobbiejo are horrifying. It looks like their abdomen caved in. WHYYY. I really want SRS but these results are horrifying. :( I am in BC can I go anywhere other than Brassard, or is there even anyone better?

Also am I processing these right?

File: 1471584855451.jpg (37KB, 344x540px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 344x540px

>>8019569
>tfw mutilated

>>8019946
I don't think they pay for foreskins after infancy but doctors are still bribed by the fee they charge in many countries.

>>8020225
doctors are a secondary to the issue at hand, as corrupt as they may be in some cases. the real driving factor is the parent's will to have the procedure done, and only education can solve that. even perfect education may not be enough thanks to """"""""""""""tradition"""""""""""""" which can be as simple as "well your father had it done so we figured you should be the same as him"

that was the excuse they gave me. my father got mutilated against his will, meaning I should have the same fate. It's moronic.

>>8019389
>>8019351
Doesn't supron leave you with an obscenely large "clit" (basically just the tip of the penis)?

I would probably go with brassard if I got a choice... Which means, I won't have SRS.
Better have a penis than be mutilated down there.

You gayyy cocksuckers

>>8021428
Suporn usually makes it smaller than other surgeons

>>8020005
Keep in mind hon results are almost always worse and they don't really take care of anything.

>>8021428
You're thinking of Chett. Look at the pictures and judge yourself.

>>8021428
>an obscenely large "clit" (basically just the tip of the penis)
Surely sensitivity and function are more important than size?

>>8021937
Usually sensitivity isn't that much of an issue regardless of size.

>>8021949
>>8021937
Anyway,if it matters or not,as far as I know, Suporn's clits aren't that big,you can see it in the galleries that have been shared all over the thread.

How long do I have to wait to get an appointment at Supron? Are there any reports from patients who went to him around?

Had anyone been to bellringer?

>>8022269
Right no the earliest you can get is December 2018
This link will let you see currently available surgery dates
http://www.supornclinic.com/clients/calendar.htm

>>8022269
Surgery queue is like 6 months to a year, or something like that... Maybe it's longer now, I don't know.

>>8022269
Right now he's giving them for December 2018,but I think these will be given to other people soon, I was surprised about that queue the first time I saw it,lol

>>8022327
>>8022301
This is a recent thing. Last year when I got a surgery date it was only a year. He decided to do one fewer surgeries a year though so now its getting longer.

>>8022348
Well,now thats bad luck,I wont be able even to set the appoinment in at least 3 years,I expect that situation doesnt get any worse...

>>8022357
The guys on the verge of retiring. If you can make the money in 2 years set the appointment ASAP.

>>8022371
Thats what I want,but fuck,family wont help and Im trying my best to get a job where I can get the money,but it's not enough.And he is literally the only guy I would trust my SRS with.

>>8022371
This is kind of a shitty situation. On the one hand, this is longer than I'm willing to wait. On the other hand, he is the only trustworthy surgeon, and if I pass up this opportunity, the door will close on my happy ending. So I'd better shape my shit up now.

>>8022391
>>8022382
Dude he's not the only good one. Brassard is fine too. Look at the album and don't drink the koolaid.

>>8022348
Why does he do so few surgeries?

>>8022397
What about this?
>>8020005

>>8022397
The Brassard only taking 2 hours vs others is disconcerting.

>>8022405
why is there so much demand*

>>8022410
>>8022411
Why is there so much demand for specific brands? In some cases, there's virtually no difference between them and another brand.

Because people have bought into the idea that Supron is the only option. Which may or may not be true, I don't know enough about it.

How come none of the pictures are from younger women who aren't fat and unpassing

What do results look like in someone who transitioned at 25 and gets srs a few years later

Fuck, this Suporn thing is making me depressed... I really wanted a vagina. I should have found a way to make money and handled this so long ago.... Now I'll probably never have one...

>>8022301
Thank you! I am really looking forward to this.

>>8022437
>Now I'll probably never have one...
Why not?

File: tumblr_nzqvcgWX0dsadasd1ubo6wuo5_1280.jpg (588KB, 1280x1919px) Image search: [Google]

588KB, 1280x1919px

>>8022405
He use to do one every day of the week. He's making bank now and wanted more vacation days so now he does one 4 days of the week. Its not that surprising. The demand never changed only the supply.

Doctors like bowers do 3 a day 5 days a week so their line up is waaaay shorter.

>>8022408
See: >>8021786
If you actually look at the files all the surgeons have bad results, suporn even has two and one lost her clitoris. The difference between suporn and brassard and the rest of surgeons is that they have a handful of good results too.

Look at the pictures and make up your own damn mind.

>>8022410
Western doctors tend to do it faster. Suporns technique specifically requires extra time because IIRC he cuts your scrotum skin right off then put it on a bock of wood to shave the hair follicles off and cut in a mesh pattern before using it. Most other surgeons prefer a more direct method that doesn't require removing the skin or cutting in a mesh. You can read about it on his site.

This doesn't make the surgery better or worse it just ensures more depth at the cost of a way longer recovery time.

>>8022427
Did you even look at the pictures? Tons of them are from younger people. Especially the porn stars.

>>8022492
>>8022492
Because I'm not gonna fall for the Brassard lies, Mia Fever looks good but apparently someone's abdomen caved in? Uwaahhh

Maybe I'll just wait till I'm 40 and they finally have stem cell vahahahhaha

>>8022600
Just look at the fucking pictures yourself you morron.

This is the Tbobbyjoe they're talking about. She's just a fat hon. Her vaginas not even the worse in the whole folder.

>>8022600
>but apparently someone's abdomen caved in?
Did you not look through the pictures yourself?

How can you have decided for a surgeon when you haven't even bothered looking through that gallery?

More Tbobbyjoe.

>>8022627
>>8022628
Aaaahhh sorry sorry....

>>8022587
>Doctors like bowers do 3 a day 5 days a week
Like a production line. That's got to mean worse results.

>>8022397
The problem is Brassard just doesnt look good enough for me,maybe I'm too critical.

>>8022683
At least that's a reasonable opinion. This 'caved in abdomen' thing is gonna give me an aneurysm.

>>8017781
I'm a straight guy who loves vaginas, and goddamn those are gross.

>>8022705
Every last one?

Link to what you consider a hot vagina?

>>8022705
That doctor is actually really bad and nobody here disagrees. Look at the vaginas in the folder further up.

Some, but not many, I would never clock.

>>8022714
He's not looking at the RAR file, he's looking at the Bowers gallery I posted, she's legitimately a butcher.

>>8022659
>Say if surgeon 1 does 1 surgery a day and takes 6 hours for the same result as surgeon 2 who does 3 surgeries in 6 hours.
But a surgeon who takes 2 hours and has two more surgeries to do that day is going to have much less time to get everything right. They are going to know rushing here gives them a longer lunch break and means they don't keep the second appointment waiting.

If they dedicate a full 6 hours to one surgery they can get it right and aren't under the same time pressure.

>>8022720
Phew.

>>8022705
Look at >>8018342 and say how many meet your standards.

>>8022740
Really we shouldn't be asking straight guys, we should be asking cis women or FtMs.

>>8022729
Well you have to assume they're not trying to do the maximum every day. I' pretty sure all surgeons, good or bad, take the amount of time they need plus a buffer in case something goes wrong. If its 2 hours or 6 hours doesn't matter.

I just don't think that amount of patients seen in a day is good indicator of ability. The end results are much more important.

It just so happens bowers is a butcher in this case.

A japanese smith can fold a katana for days on end and it'll still be worse than a modern steel katana made in a few minutes.

>>8022749
This.

I've read enough from post-op stealth prostitutes to know men don't even look at vaginas.

I have a friend with a pretty butchered vagina who fucked guys without them knowing within the first few months of surgery.

>>8022749
It's not a cis woman or FtM who I want to date.

>>8022774
Then you have no worries. Go to bowers.

>>8022767
Links to the stealth prostitutes writings?

How bad is your friend's butchered vagina?

>>8022783
wew. But I want the prettiest vagina for my own sake!

>>8022767
what if we want a nice vagina for a nice relationship and not for being a whore?

>>8022793
Its on trueselves.

She pooped out of it so you decide.

>>8022840
What does it matter then. You'll probably have to tell him eventually.

>babe why do your parents call you mike?
>babe why does your mom keep saying he?
>babe why can't you have any children?
>babe why do you take estrogen daily at 31?
>babe why does your voice sound so deep?
>babe why do you have so many surgical looking scars?
>babe where is the first 20 years of your life?

>>8022851
>She pooped out of it
What the hell?

File: 1490050701953.jpg (71KB, 300x250px) Image search: [Google]

71KB, 300x250px

>>8022840
Very true.

That also made me kek.

>>8022869
>not having supportive parents

I want a vagina so I can feel less guilty about being a lesbian. Also because I have always wanted a vagina but yeah.

>>8022892
Most people don't.

Mine are hostile as shit.

>>8017561
If i did that everyone on 4 chan would be sharing that pic and i'm not comfortable with that and I'm pretty sure that's the reason why alot of people don't share. Because if you do you kinda reach a certain notoriety on this board which i do not want.

>>8022903
I just don't understand. Its completely non identifiable.


Would you at least be willing to share it privately through like a skype call or something?

>>8022894
Jeez, don't get surgery just because of guilt over your sexuality. Find a supportive girl.

>>8022903
>and I'm pretty sure that's the reason why alot of people don't share.
Doubtless, which leaves us with nobody sharing and nobody getting to see anyone else's results before they make their own decision.

>>8022419
I can tell you that I got mine at suporns, and I'm not going to go much into detail but when I was reading up about surgeons, Suporn for me personally had the best results since I am Asian and believe it or not but suporn's primary clientele are asian. So that is why you hear alot of people say if you have a big cock don't go to suporn since that's how you end up getting a large clit. But most asians have small dicks and Suporn does amazing for people with small dicks. Suporn for me looking up his work and peoples thoughts on him had the least horror stories iv'e read compared to any other surgeon out there. Alot of patients from what Iv'e read back then had problems with granulation never healing thus always bleeding and in pain. Surgeons in america just have ugly results aesthetically for me. But now I'm 3 years post op and I can shove an average sized dildo with no lube comfortably when turned on and just have at it to get off. So i'm extremely happy with my decision to go to suporn. I am not saying other surgeons are bad but Suporn does have a very good reputation for results, function, and looks with the least amount of risk. He also has an amazing care team. Id say the only trade-off with suporn is if you have a big dick don't go and the recovery period is extremely long a year or more if you heal slow like me. So it is a painful recovery process but id say that applies to every surgeon. My mindset was if you want a pussy you have to go through this so I did and I am glad everything worked out. Now I just need to find a bf to fuck.

INB4 no bf for you you ugly hon!

>>8023012
Does circumcision matter? I heard he doesn't do so well with those.

>>8022926
My current girlfriend is cis and doesn't care what I choose to do down there. I want it for me. But I also want it so that if we ever break up I will have a shot with other actual lesbians.

I am tired of tucking and taking spiro is the worst. I am constantly cold, and my erections are painful so i might as well get a vagina so at least I can feel more natural.

>>8023012
Any chance we can see the result?

>>8023022
Not her but I heard US doctors make the best of circumcised dicks and let foreskins go to waste because they aren't used to them.

what are people's thoughts on chett here? I'm in the early stages of looking for surgeons (and can't afford it for at least 2-3 years anyway) and he seems good but nobody here has really mentioned him. considering him instead of suporn since he's cheaper and has a shorter waiting list but idk

>>8023042
i already said no

>>8023022
And being uncut certainly helps because its more material to use so youll have more depth/width. but its such a small amount it only helps a bit. I was uncut if that helps to know.

>>8023091
>but its such a small amount it only helps a bit.
Fifteen square inches.

>>8022397
My problem with Brassard isn't that he's bad, it's that he's twice the cost of Suporn

>>8016414
Not sure what you're talking about? I literally called their office earlier this week and the waiting list isn't longer than 2 years. It's closer to 1 year.

>>8023311
Kayla is a liar.

>>8023091
Being uncut also helps with wetness iirc.

>>8023311
>Kayla
>telling the truth

>>8023091
Bad samaritain. I hope tranny karma bites you back.

>>8023418
Because the inside layer of the foreskin is a special internal membrane for looking after you, not skin like the outside layer.

>>8022869
>babe where is the first 20 years of your life?
This one right here is why you always have to tell eventually.

>>8023022
If you're circumcised than your vagina at the inter Labia will be skin colour rather than pink, that's the main difference

>>8023697
Fun fact. You can get your vagina tattooed more pink pist op. I believe bowers has a tattoo artist hired specifically for this but i've seen a suporn patient get it too.

>>8023719
But Mia was circumcised right? And her vagina was pink on the inside, did she get it tattooed? That sounds extraordinarily painful, I'm gonna hate my parents if I have to get that done.

>>8023751
Nah
http://miafever.net/photos/bobtgirls/mia-fever-play-billiards-06.jpg

>>8023751
I don't know if mia got tattooed. She's got an uncommon skin tone so there's a chance its just reddish after surgery. I've seen quite a lot of skin variation before and after.

>>8023697
Then it must also be less sensitive if it's only using regular skin.

>>8023284
Free for Canadians.

>>8023667
How does that even come up? Just say you don't have any photos and talk about childhood stories that are gender neutral or edit them to take out the fact you were a boy.

>>8024097
It's still penis skin but bone dry

>>8024383
So if you're circumcised, your neo-vagina won't lubricate at all? I thought there was a different reason why neo-vaginas lubricated, besides the foreskin mucus.

>>8024386
Maybe there is some lubrication but less or only further in.

>>8024386
The vagina will but you won't have external moistness

>>8024192
I tell stories from when I was in highschool and on the wrestling team, dont edit out anything. People just assume "oh, it was so cool that you got to be part of a the wrestling team as a girl! My parents would have never let me do that."
>commence nervous sweating

>>8024820
Risky, what about when someone says "They don't let you do that" or something?

>>8024820
>tfw was an autistic boy who basically just played video games and skateboarded
My childhood was too masculine to talk about

>>8024820
>they start talking about menstruation
>start laughing nervously, agree with everything they say, mirror their behavior, "iktf" etc
>try to get through the conversation as fast as possible

>>8024386
Why are you assuming its never when something minorly effects something.

>>8024995
>minorly
[citation needed]

>>8025064
Youhonestly think that being circumcised makes getting wet post op impossible? Do you have any idea of how the mechanics work? The wetness comes from the coupers gland.

>>8022714
Having trouble finding what I would consider a "perfect" one, but this one is very good:

http://i.imgur.com/OhNfhap.jpg

If you look up any videos from Abbey Winters or Girls Out West, those women usually have great vaginas.

>>8022740
Didn't look through every single one. But basically every SRS vagina I've seen has been inferior to an average cis vagina. Sorry.

>>8022767
It depends on the guy. Some men legitimately don't like the way vaginas look and will spend as little time looking at them as possible. Others like me love looking at them, going down on women, etc.

>>8025505
Stop moving the goalposts. Just because getting wet is still possible doesn't mean the impact is minor.

>>8022926
>find a lesbian
>who will want to touch your penis
Anon...

>>8025574
Bi girls exist.

>>8025566
Idk dude. You want me to prove a mostly random variable isn't a major player? Its not like there's studies on how wet people get after srs and their circumcision status.

We just know that the foreskin doesn't do that much for wetness in males and most of post op wetness is derived from the same function as precum.

Put two and two together. I think its on you to prove that foreskin makes mens dicks segnificantly more lubricated.

>>8025609
>dude
...

>a mostly random variable
what?

>>8022600
>Maybe I'll just wait till I'm 40 and they finally have stem cell vahahahhaha
mfw waiting it out till they can just grown me a girl body in a test tube

File: 1465224790237.gif (2MB, 250x142px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 250x142px

>>8019569
fml

>>8014245
Anyone know anything about Crane/Satterwhite? The rar had few photos, but the ones on their site seem ok

>>8022894
Honestly same
I also want to be able to wear whatever the fuck I want with more ease
I'd love to have a supportive girlfriend though but that seems hard as fuck to find

>>8023553
>>8023418
;------;
The only reason I've ever wanted to be circumsized is so that I'd have better srs results
Fuck
I have a small AND circumcised dick
Bad luck

>>8024192
>>8023667
If you're getting to know someone well, you have to talk about your past eventually and they'll be curious
Then if they wanna see family photos or anything
Anyone who knows you intimately is going to figure it out

>>8028006
You WANTED to be circumcised?!

>>8028029
I mean
If I was a cismale, yeah I think I'd probably want to be circumsized
But I'm not a cismale
And I've never cared before bc I hate my dick anyway

>>8028068
>If I was a cismale, yeah I think I'd probably want to be circumsized
FFS why?

>And I've never cared before bc I hate my dick anyway
It matters whatever you think of your body.

>>8028105
Cut is more aesthetically appealing to me and it also seems cleaner/more sanitary.
Do note that I'm a KV and I've never seen any genitals aside from my own irl, and the uncut dicks I've seen online look kind of gross

Apparently uncut is better for blowjobs though

>>8028126
>it also seems cleaner/more sanitary.
It''s not.

>Apparently uncut is better for blowjobs though
For whom?

Mayo clinic in Rochester, MN just started doing GRS/SRS/Bottom Surgery and they take insurance. Their surgeons trained under Suporn and Brassard.

Source: Having consults for FFS there and they mentioned it

>>8028155
I listened to loveline with Dr Drew Pinsky as a teenager, and he said circumsized is better
That always stuck with me I guess

For the person sucking on the dick

>>8028190
>On "Loveline": Dr Drew Pinsky: Are you circumcised? Dane Cook: Ahh...No. Dr Drew: Have you ever had any problems? I mean there are problems that can happen with that, right? Dane Cook: No, I've never had any problems at all.
>I mean there are problems that can happen with that, right?
There's the problem. He's an ignoramus who has no idea what he's talking about, pretending to be a doctor and giving people fake medical advice to harm them.

There should be a law.

>For the person sucking on the dick
The person with the dick matters too.

>>8028068
Why would you want to have an unnaturally looking dick?

>>8028235
>He's an ignoramus who has no idea what he's talking about,
oh..... i guess that makes sense.
iirc he is a legit MD though, but he has said some stupid shit about transpeople in recent years so idk
>>8029349
circumcised doesn't look unnatural to me idk

i've never given it this much thought before, pls no bully

>>8030488
>Huge scar
>When they wank, they just stretch some skin that isn't meant to be stretched

>>8030516
i dont understand....

>>8031996
The skin left over isn't as stretchy and it leaves a scar literally all around your shaft. Whats not to get?

>>8032365
theres leftover skin?
it seems like all of it is gone?
i litterally pulled my panties off to look at mine, i never thought of this discoloration as a scar, but i guess it is.

>>8030488
>iirc he is a legit MD though,
Then the institution that qualified him has discredited itself.

>>8032656
>Pinsky is also Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the Keck School of Medicine at the University of Southern California, former Medical Director for the Department of Chemical Dependency Services at Las Encinas Hospital in Pasadena, California,[3] staff member at Huntington Memorial Hospital, and a private practitioner.[4]

>He majored in biology at Amherst College, graduating in 1980,[5][8] and earned his M.D. at the University of Southern California School of Medicine in 1984.[9] He served his residency in internal medicine at USC County Hospital and became chief resident at Huntington Memorial Hospital in Pasadena, and eventually moved into private practice.[10]

So anyone can tell me about Supporn? His result seem really good and apparently he uses his own technique, not penile inversion

And he lets you do the surgery as long as you have a therapist saying you do which means non binary/vagentlemen can do it too

>>8032645
I think they means the skin on the remainder of your penis. Without the foreskin, penis skin that shouldn't be stretched and isn't meant to stretch is forced to when you become erect.

Why would anyone cut off fully working and orgasm giving penis?

>>8018807
tfw no nulloplace

>>8019569
That is actually the most depressing thing I've read in awhile

>>8032879
Because it's the one exception to his good results or because even his poor result matches the best from other surgeons?

Replying to posts from another thread

>>8033020
>>8033024
SRS health concerns:
>risk of not healing properly
>needing to dilate forever and especially for an extended period following surgery
>usual risks of major surgery

SRS lack of full sexual pleasure:
>doesn't fully lubricate
>neovagina has fewer nerves than female vagina can only be stimulating by objects hitting the prostate
>neoclit made from penis head has fewer nerves than a female clit

Are there other SRS health and sensitivity problems?

>>8032665
He's just old. They didn't teach basic trans stuff back then and they don't force doctors to learn it.

Also praise keck.

>>8033064
>neovagina has fewer nerves than female vagina can only be stimulating by objects hitting the prostate

This isn't true lol, neo-vaginas are incredibly sensate. At least with Suporn's method

File: IMG_0538.jpg (75KB, 568x564px) Image search: [Google]

75KB, 568x564px

>>8032681
He has his own secondary therapist. He seems pretty lax but if you raise red flags he'll still deny you.

He has his own technique which has been copied for the most part by chettawut and and over emphasises the things that literally every surgeon does now.

These are the two remainning differences between his surgery and every other major surgeon.

1. He packs a bundle of nerves near your labia above your urethra. This has no cos counter part and doesn't necessarily garantee any more sensativity than any other doctor.

2. He cuts a mesh into your testicle skin to make it stretch further. This helps him get more depth out of your testicle skin but the trade off is a much longer recovery time and much more work dialating (you need to woosh it around). Technically it also means a bunch of scar tissue in your vagina but it doesn't seem to matter at all.

He has a pretty standard asthetic too barring major fuck ups. Its not techniqually related to his 'special' technique but he seems pretty good at making his vaginas look about the same patient to patient imo.

>>8033967
Their just as sensative as your dick with all surgeons. Women having more nerves therefore more sensative is a meme. More nerves doesn't necessarily give you more feel good feelings from touching them it just means you can make out more of texture better, which is over taken by those feel good feelings.

Touch your hand then your arms. One has way more nerves than the other but it doesn't mean it'll make you orgasm.

Also side note, women only have more nerves in their clit. They have practically none in their vaginas and the prostate is likley much more sensative than the g spot.

>suporn surgery next year
>the suporn results are the best ones
feels good

>>8033995
>chettawut
Isnt he pretty bad? I read a lot of negative reviews from him

>>8034019
>have no money
>Suporn's retiring
>will never have a vagina
>will never have sex

Feels bad man

>>8034048
>>Suporn's retiring
SHIT what?

>>8034092
It's just a rumor I heard from this thread because he's been taking on less patients and he's old.

>>8034109
Fuck, i just graduated and i ll need at least 2 years till i get enough money to safely do the operation and he seems to be one of the few you have quality results and allow non binary people such as men who want to stay men but have srs if you are approved by a good gender therapist

>>8034129
I'm kind of fucked as well, I think I should just schedule it and try to find the money in the meantime.

>>8034019
How much was the security deposit I have the money to start looking into SRS but I'd like to know how much to take out of savings in order to cover that

>>8034377
20% of 17kus(price up to December 2018)

>>8034409
17k USD*

>>8034409
that includes the hotel stay, right? so it ends up at 17k + travel cost?

>>8034471
Most costs are included such as hotel and transportation but not flight tickets or extra food cuz I'm pretty sure hospital food is terrible, it is Asia after all, maybe hotel food is terrible as well

We require a deposit of 20% in order to reserve a date for surgery. The term “deposit” is taken throughout to mean “20% of the full price of all the procedures that were scheduled and agreed to be undertaken at the time of rescheduling

>>8034490
yeah, seems like a lot of people who get srs in thailand end up eating a lot of fast food while there

good luck with the surgery, anon. suporn is my first choice as well, hope to get enough money before he retires

>>8034516
Yeah I feel like I ll have to rush it as well if he is retiring soon, I hoped I could wait for 2 years to get enough money for the operation and a big break after it but it seems I ll have to try get it around the end of 2018 if I'm lucky.

>>8034109
>>8034129
>>8034534
Nobody said he's retiring (afaik). Just >>8022587
>He use to do one every day of the week. He's making bank now and wanted more vacation days so now he does one 4 days of the week.

If you had to choose between a deep vagina with little to no self lube, or a shallow (sub 5") that lubricated which would you choose?

(also is this a thing? By making it shallower does it increase the odds of being able to self lube?)

>>8034966
I'm not into guys so shallow vag that lubricated

>>8034031
He makes big clits and ugly vags. The rest is fine.

>>8034109
He's not old he's like 40

>>8034966
shallow that self lubes, cause im not that into guys, and, they dont have to go balls deep everytime anyway

>>8018342
wow these results are depressing me, I don't think I want a free brassard vag anymore, there isn't a single good result

its pretty suspicious that he isn't willing to show examples of his work until you're already at the clinic the day of your surgery; and that no one with a brassard vag is willing to post pictures...

so....Bowers is terrible then, eh?
I was hoping I could get a free pussy, but I guess not
>>8035548
those pictures are all terrible, but the things i hear first hand are always good

appearance is important to me, but i can't exactly tell what looks cis and what doesnt bc ive never seen a vag irl, and they all look similar enough to me, but people keep saying neo-vags are easily clockable
so i dont fuckin know man

it seems like this is a no-win situation

>>8035548
>he isn't willing to show examples of his work until you're already at the clinic the day of your surgery
Jesus fucking christ how much bigger a red flag could there be?

That is literally tricking girls into getting his surgery.

"Don't like what you see? Too late now!"

>>8035564
>>8035609
I'd probably be happiest with how suporn's results look
it sucks that my heathcare forces me into going with brassard or nothing.
I just have hangups with having to go to thailand and obviously the money.

>>8035609
Its a lose lose. Sugeons that show results get accused of 'only showing the best' even though they're usually really bad. And they're accused of over selling themselves.

Truth is all the surgeons over sell themselves.

Meltzer doesn't show examples either btw.

>>8035632
What healthcare do you have? Ontario lets you get any north american surgeon so it might be worth moving here for a bit.

>>8034966
Thats not a thing. If anything deeper gives you more surface to create lubrication but the difference is likley negligable either way.

Lubrication is very much a luck thing for all surgeons. Some claim they're very likley to give you a lubricating resault but none assure 100% or even enough for sex without lube.

>>8035564
Does anyone else think that bowers gets duch glowing reviews because she lives in the hon capital of the country and is covered for all the hons?

I've only ever read 'my surgery was beyond perfect, and my vagina is more cis than a cis vagina' but when you see pics its a horror show. Or its a horror story about how they had to leave two weeks or less then immediately had a terrible problem like shitting out of their vag and no help from bowers.

Hons are the real problem all around.

>>8036010
I don't think anything said about 'only showing the best' is really at the same level as showing none until surgery day.

What's with that anyway? Why bother showing any at all?

I wonder if people do back out on the day because of the photos.

Does Meltzer do the on the day thing as well?

>>8035564
>but people keep saying neo-vags are easily clockable

They really aren't, depending on the surgeon. To me, Suporn's and Brassard's look the closest to being cis, particularly Mia Fever's result in the latter case (which I thought was Meltzer's work before). Whereas Bowers' work doesn't look anything like a cis vagina. I would say Suporn is the "safest" option.

>>8036090
They're clockable if you know what to look for. Otherwise they're mostly just kinda odd.

>>8018342
holy fuck some of those are horrifying

wtf is the chett chicken skin one

>>8036940
Probably just really early.

>>8036010
>What healthcare do you have? Ontario lets you get any north american surgeon so it might be worth moving here for a bit.
fuck
Im american, and my insurance lists this

Idk, I have a small but circumcised dick, Brassard seems like the best option for me, but I dont think my american insurance would cover me going to canada
>>8035632
suporns look okay, but i dont particularly want to go to thailand
>>8036047
i think thats a big part of it yes.
but being covered by insurance means that she's gonna get alot of customers just because of that, and you can only get the surgery once, alot of people are just going to be happy with what they got.
and i doubt many old hons do a great deal of research

I been with Chett and I do have a lot of excess meat down there, he seems to work extremely conservative almost as if I'm supposed to get a revision anyway during which all that spare meat can be made use of. Or maybe he thought I'm eventually gonna blow up like a balloon to fill in that hunk of meat he gave me. Wish he had just thrown away what he didnt need...

I wonder if I could just see a local plastic surgeon for labia reduction or if I should see another SRS specialized surgeon for this, which would of course be a lot more troublesome. Any input? Am concerned particularly because I'd like to retain my ability to orgasm and I'm not exactly sure how much Chett's vags differ from the cis vags local surgeons are used to.

Personally I'm still leaning towards local surgeons not only because theyre cheap and local, duh, but also because I feel they have a much better idea what a vagina is actually supposed to look like... Something I've been questioning about SRS surgeons ever since the bandages came off.

>>8037093
Wow that's the first time I've heard of american insurance only listing brassard. You must be near quebec.

>>8037179
Get chett to do your revision. Don't get your srs vagina done by a person that only works with cis vaginas. There's a lot of parts of your anatomy that don't line up like a cis woman's even though visually they look the same.

If you're really scared off of chett pick another SRS surgeon. Meltzer started out doing revisions so he might be the best for that. Chett is going to be the one that knows his work the best though and you'll lose your free 'necessary' revisions if you see someone else.

>>8037182
no, I made a typo; i was planning to copy paste what it says about a 70 mile radius, but I couldn't find it
and then I forgot to change it.
I live in Los Angeles, I dont think I could get them to cover Brassard, since Bowers and other off the wall surgeons are closer
sorry about that
>>8037179
if you're going to get a cosmetic revision, I would see someone who generally works on cis vaginas

>>8037219
I'm in central europe unfortunately and I'm not sure if I can pull off flying to the other side of the globe again. Last time I had someone with me but next time would likely have to be on my own and I just don't have the mental fortitude to do that again. And yeah I'm pretty scared of Chett now seeing what he's done there. General labia reduction with local surgeons is affordable, so even if I lose out on revision discounts, I'd rather let another surgeon do the revision I think.

On the other hand I'm really out of ideas if you say I should find a SRS surgeon for this, I'd either have to fly around the globe east- or westwards pretty much the same distance... Assuming I can manage to suffer through that I suppose Chett is actually my only option, considering US surgeons are probably not too familiar with thai techniques? Can't really think straight rn sorry if I don't quite make sense.

I know for a fact Suporn doesn't perform revisions on SRS performed by someone else, and with, say, Sanguan I'm kinda concerned he's getting too old. Plus I've not seen any pics from him.

>>8037179
Consult a professional about what you should do. Don't get answers off here.

>>8037276
Weird that they would care about geography instead of letting you pay travel for someone further away.

>>8037324
>I know for a fact Suporn doesn't perform revisions on SRS performed by someone else,
His website doesn't say he outright never does:
>If - in the interim period - patients have already undergone surgery with another surgeon that might reasonably be determined to have affected the outcome of the original procedure, Dr Suporn reserves the right to decline undertaking further corrective work at no cost. Such rare circumstances would be treated on a case-by-case basis, and would be be made only after physical examination

>>8023667
>not borrowing your sister's childhood pictures to show him
are you even trying to be stealth

>>8037356
I've had 4 surgeries all of which I regret to various degrees, I'm quite done trusting "professionals". They'll tell you they're literal gods and soon as anything goes wrong it wasnt their fault. And trans healthcare is pretty damn subpar around here to start with, that is to say a "professional" on thai vags is gonna be tough to come by.

>>8037276
>I would see someone who generally works on cis vaginas
I can see the advantage in that, but I have to consider the tissue I got down there is very different to what they work with, and considering my surgical history so far I dont really expect to be heard when I explain this to my would be surgeon. It would be reassuring if I could know what the risks of a cosmetic revision might be.

>>8037426
I've heard about apparent pretty determined rejection from his side when researching my options for a revision. Granted that's been a while ago.

>>8037356
america sucks

for whatever reason, I can't pinpoint the information again so maybe im misremembering something, i can't figure out how the fuck to get information like that. but heres something

http://insuremekevin.com/anthem-blue-cross-releases-transgender-health-plan-benefits/
http://echealthinsurance.com/laws/transgender-rights-and-health-insurance/transgender-health-insurance-resources/

>>8037464
>I've had 4 surgeries all of which I regret to various degrees, I'm quite done trusting "professionals".
Oh, that sucks. SRS and what were the other three surgeries? Why do you regret them?

I see what you mean but I'd still say get professional opinions, even if you don't trust them. At least ask them about your other options, so ask SRS surgeons about cis cosmetic surgery and vice versa, and ask about whichever option you're not consulting someone about, so you get to hear the worst risks of everything. If you see what I mean? Getting their biased negative opinions on each other as well as their biased positive opinions on themselves.

File: 1478287581026.jpg (12KB, 334x399px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 334x399px

>>8037707
>If you see what I mean?
Yes, thank you. Might be the best call.

>SRS and what were the other three surgeries? Why do you regret them?
I fell hard for the memes. Kind of embarassed to admit all of them and I feel really really stupid. For example FFS left my with an almost inoperable dysfunctional nose (It was perfectly fine before, just had jewish dimensions). In general it was worth it, but I feel like I picked the wrong surgeon every single time and I might aswell roll a dice next time round.
One other regret is BA, the surgeon managed to give my boobs a slight height difference... Not that much that it's worth throwing more money at to get fixed but wtf. Such a simple procedure.
And lastly voice surgery, I had a ridiculously deep voice but now I have barely any voice. Pitch might be great post op but that doesnt help much if I can only talk on a good day.

>>8037784
>Yes, thank you. Might be the best call.
And I don't mean not getting opinions off here at all, especially personal experiences of different surgeons or procedures, but just treating them as the anecdotes they are and considering them alongside the biased positive and biased negative opinions of the professionals when making your own judgement.

Don't feel bad, just think about your options now. What's wrong with your nose after FFS? Why did you get BA instead of just HRT boobs? What stops your voice on bad days?

>>8037850
>What's wrong with your nose after FFS?
I can only breathe through one side, the other is blocked, essentially making me a mouthbreather. The skin inside is weird among with a severe septum deviation I didnt have before.

>Why did you get BA instead of just HRT boobs?
They didn't happen. My skin changed, my muscles declined but fat wise no dice. I lost 5kg during SRS and then I just gave up.

What stops your voice on bad days?
Its extremely hoarse and I have to put a lot of strength in to be audible. Can't shout anymore or generally be heard beyond maybe 10 meters. I've had speech therapy but it didn't do much. Guess since I've had such trouble with my voice despite otherwise passing I've grown pretty damn anxious to use it which made the whole situation a bit worse and half the problem may just be psychological, but yeah my voice has surgery written all over it.

>>8037911
>>8037784
This is pretty much horror story tier. I also have a big Jewish looking nose and it is the only part of my face I really want/can reasonably fix. This has me 2nd guessing.

What about your SRS do you regret?

>>8025577
>t. Had PIV sex with bi cis gf last night. Having tits that she can playwith and overall soft skin is a huge plus for her. Plus I am cute/thin. It actually hurts me at first putting my penis in now, and we don't do it often, but it is so worth it when we get going!

Still going to get SRS with Brassard when I can.

>>8037911
I'm sorry for you. Surgery terrifies me your experiences make me think all my fears are justified.

>>8037929
>What about your SRS do you regret?
I do not lubricate and I have way too much skin on the outside. Cut half of it away and it might start to look like a vagina...
I'm not saying its a ham sandwich, but the outskirts remind me a lot of the ballsack that used to be. Also I think the nerves are too concentrated in one spot and lacking in others but that might not be possible to avoid.

Ah, and they didnt really give me enough painkillers. I got what they called tramadol but even taking 4 pills at once (I was only supposed to take one every once in a while) did absolutely nothing to ease the pain. Back home tramadol works so god knows what junk they had. Crying eventually convinced them to give me morphine but the 2 days before that were hell.

>This has me 2nd guessing.
Don't, You'll unlikely be as unlucky as me and if you just want your nose fixed you can find specialized surgeons for that. I had mine done as part of a FFS package and nose is probably the most complicated part in facial surgery. Most of the time it turns out well.

>>8037947
I've heard plenty good stories though. I don't know how I could be this unlucky but surgery typically turns out well, judging from what I hear from others and on the reviews I based my decisions on. It's a bit of a gamble, I suppose, and more dependent on whether or not the surgeon has a good or bad day than anything else.

>>8037992
>and more dependent on whether or not the surgeon has a good or bad day than anything else.
That's not making it sound better!

>>8037784
Can you please name surgeons? I had voice with yeson and if you went to see him than this is the first catastrophic resault i've ever heard of.

>>8038020
>That's not making it sound better!
I'm sorry :/

>>8038032
In hindsight I wish I'd have gone to Yeson, but I was in Luxembourg with Prof. Remacle. He uses the same technique except with lasers as opposed to microscalpels and dissolving sutures rather than permanent ones.

>>8038042
Oh god. You really messed up. Lasers are seriously the reason people avoided voice surgery for ages. That is the difference that makes yeson good.

Do you mind naming the other surgeons? Especially the SRS surgeon?

I feel really bad for you after how successful my own vfs has been so far.

>>8037784
>with an almost inoperable dysfunctional nose
Have the same issue. Was fine the first time, but then I had revision of it at the same time of fixing a different thing, because supposedly it was gonna be easy to revise it.

Now I can barely breath through it, if I walk or raise my need for oxygen a little I have to resort to mouth breathing.

Still a net gain, but quite annoying.

>>8038049
How far post op are you?

>>8038049
>Lasers are seriously the reason people avoided voice surgery for ages.
Crap I didn't know that. Now I feel even worse. I thought CTA was why vfs had such bad reputation.
SRS was with Chett and FFS Dr. Bart, BA some local surgeon probably no point naming him.

>>8038067
Only a month and a bit. I can only speak a bit but its already better than before so that should be a good sign.

>>8038071
Oh god I'm so sorry for you. You seriously made some bad surgeon choices. Dr. Bart has been posting all over reddit breaking arguably breaking massive medical nondisclosure laws and being a general crazy man.

Chett at least isn't the worst but that's really not the best choice either.

Please don't write off all surgeons because of the experiences you've had. I hate to say it but you really need to look deeper next time on surgeons. Don't blame yourself because there's way too much misinformation out there and you've been fooled.

I'm really sorry for you. If you get a chance I'm sure many of your issues could be fixed.

What I'm taking away from this thread is not to take risks or settle for the "second-best" option. At this point I'm just thinking Suporn, Facial Team, Yeson if I ever want or need VFS.

>>8038089
Has this reddit thing been recent? I'm sure I would have come across that...
I thought I did my homework on surgeons.

I hope some things can be fixed but at this point I have my doubts. My voice is giving me serious issues in life. Thanks though.

File: 5giuydT.jpg (182KB, 1304x675px) Image search: [Google]

182KB, 1304x675px

>>8038191
>>8038089
Okay I read into that reddit mess, it was fairly recent whereas my surgery was over a year ago.
Also I think Dr. Bart didn't really do anything wrong, some complete nutcase of a patient started some campaign against him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/5tscn0/person_with_different_accounts_on_reddit_makes_it/

I think his explanation is fair, even though I'm pretty salty about my nose. He even posted a selfie to verify its him.

File: 20160325_150123.jpg (150KB, 747x923px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 747x923px

>>8038335
Whops, wrong thread, kinda. Here's another
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/5rwxmd/a_warning_bad_ffs_surgeon_beware_dr_bart_van_de/

Also pic of my trash shave with Remacle. Do they usually look like that?

>>8038392
Holy shit!

I just got mine two weeks ago and it was not even close to that bad. I'll post pics.

File: 0214172319b.jpg (448KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

448KB, 1920x1080px

>>8038392
>>8038528
This was 6 hours after.

File: 0216171508.jpg (437KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

437KB, 1920x1080px

>>8038544
>>8038528
>>8038544
The next day

>>8038566
...wow
What the hell did he do to my neck? Yours is just one clean incision?!

It looks ok now, bit of a scar remains, but a scar on the neck looks pretty badass anyway so I dont mind.

>>8038392
Wtf did they burn your neck? Also trachea shave and vfs? who let you do this?

Unless you have a sun burn and have been scratching at your neck all day every day there's something very wrong here. At least you don't have an adams apple anymore.

>>8038586
God please don't be the girl that got all those other bad surgeries. You need to stop... like right now.

I'd usually advise to just get better surgeons in the future but common are you picking the wrong surgeons on purpose?

>>8038607
No :( I regret everything.

But I still need to get my nose fixed and my vag is quite the eyesore too... the latter can wait maybe but I'd like to breathe normally again sometime soon.

>>8038594
>who let you do this?
Prof. Remacle, as I said. I've had a single sunburn in my life and this wasnt it and my neck wasn't itching despite looking like it, it looked like that when I woke up after surgery. I thought its kinda normal so what happened there?

My adams apple was very prominent so despite lowering the vfs result it had to be done, unfortunately. He said that wouldn't be a problem though.

>>8037939
wait
putting your penis in hurts?
can you tell me more? i may have sex with a ciswoman, and if it ends up being PIV i want to know what I'm in for

>>8038630
Wait how recently did you get vfs? If you can't talk in the first few months thats normal and it'd be extremely odd if he didn't tell you that.

>>8038669
March 2016
He did tell me that but he didn't tell me my voice is gonna be fucked forever.

I religiously kept my silence the first post op weeks.

>>8038643
So this thread is going to hit it's bump limit in 11 more posts. Not sure how useful any info I give will be. We should make another thread or something.

Anyway I am a bit of special case. I have been having painful erections for about a year now. My trans specialist doctors don't know what is wrong.

That aside your penis gets softer and more delicate. Trying to push what is now a much softer erection into a tight space like a vagina that hasn't fully warmed up yet (partially in our case) was actually really painful for me. It felt kind of like losing your virginity. Like I said though it was fully worth it, and the pain eased as she finished self lubricating.

I am not sure how much of this will apply for you. Best of luck.

>>8038737
i can make a new thread once we hit the bump limit
then i can repost all the most useful info in the OP or something

actually, I used to deal with really really painful erections, but then i just stopped getting them for a year and some change, and now they dont hurt as much. i think it just shrunk all around more or something.

how long have you been on HRT?

>>8038769
About 18 months so far. I started October 2015 so yeah. ( I guess 19 months on the 15th of April)

>>8038891
oh, ok.
yeah, from about 6 months in to like two years erections were super painful, so i made sure not to get them at all.
i know that not getting them regularly means the skin shrinks, so i assume its just that amplified

So can anyone tell me the difference between self lubricated srs vagina and non lubricated?

I highly doubt it is dry like the skin in there, there is some kind of moisture even for non lubricated ones, hell i get wet there incredibly easily with a dick.

Cant they penetrate it without Lube after some foreplay or something?

>>8039017
cowpers gland

>>8039017
I need to know this as well. If I kiss a guy for a bit my dick is dripping with pre (I'm also uncut if that helps with self lubrication at all)

>>8038689
Wow. That's definitely not ok.

>>8038769
I'll do it with a more expanded .rar file.

>>8038335
Why does dr bart have a shoe on his head?

>>8038891
When I was a kid my erections hurt on the inside. Still no idea what it is but i've seen some posts from other men saying the same.

After a lot of years on HRT my skin is much thinner and tight and non lubricated sex hurts. This is from ripping.

File: image.jpg (93KB, 650x624px) Image search: [Google]

93KB, 650x624px

>>8038586
Not the same anon but my trachea shave with chettawut was also much cleaner of a scar

Getting the new thread ready. just waiting for the dropbox upload to finish.

>>8040407
Make it a general surgery general for FFS and vfs anons as well

File: woman-body-with-flower-on-her-vagina.jpg (52KB, 1434x1024px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 1434x1024px

NEW BREAD:

>>8040518
>>8040518
>>8040518