Is gender dysphoria a meme?

No you bigot go back to /pol/
I am trans and always have been

>>7977947
No because I felt dysphoria before I even knew what dysphoria and trans was.

>>7977947
If you didn't experience dysphoria from an early age, you are AGP.
Simple as that

>>7977952
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>>7977988
So what I meant is "Is AGP-style gender dysphoria a meme?". Like, okay, you are HSTS, gratz. But AGPs are the majority and I'm mostly interested in whether we are a meme.

>>7977988
used to be AGP and have experienced dysphoria from an early age

get fucked hsts faggot

>>7977993
Blanchard's typology is NOT widely accepted as scientific fact outside of /tttt, don't listen to these idiots and I doubt most of them have even read more than a few pages worth of information regarding Blanchards typology to begin with. And even if you do find his typology as a useful tool to make sense of your dysphoria / trans feelings nobody that actually understands / accepts his typology advocate that A*P dysphoria =/= real dysphoria and HSTS dysphoria = real dysphoria.

It's actually really simple, if you experience dysphoria for long periods of time / feel like you are unable to function in life in your current state that probably means you should consider some form of transitioning.

>>7978014
advocates*

>>7978014
The real thing I'm interested in, though, is whether gender dysphoria is a meme.

Is gender dysphoria a meme?

>>7978030
No you idiot gender dysphoria is not a meme. And even it was a "meme," why do you care? You are asking yourself the wrong questions.

Could you misconstrue / interpret gender dysphoria in a way that makes it seem illegitimate / a "meme?" Yes absolutely, this is self evident in the fact that there are many people on this board that do just that for various reasons.

Does that mean dysphoria is a meme? No.

What you should be asking yourself assuming you do experience gender dysphoria is "how does this affect me / does my dysphoria interfere with my day to day existence to the extent that I feel unable to function / what / if anything can I do to help lessen / remedy my dysphoria?"

>>7978069
I'm not asking whether it's a meme in the metaphorical sense of being illegitimate/whatever. I'm asking whether it's literally a meme in that it is contagious through transmission of ideas.

>>7978154
Hm, I don't think so, most people that learn about GD don't just become transgender because they learned about an idea right?

Though it does seem true as you said that most trans people that learn about GD / trans related subjects realize they are transgender.

It would make sense that GD probably manifests / can intensify through learning about GD / transgender related subjects, possibly because you are attributing more concrete language to feelings you previously felt but were much more abstract / difficult to vocalize?

I'm personally inclined to believe that being transgender is a somewhat innate part of who we are from birth, so while it would make sense that attributing more concrete meanings / terminology to your "condition" would increase the "realness" / dysphoria associated with it, I don't think people that aren't already inherently transgender in some way start experiencing gender dysphoria to the point of needing transition simply because of learning about the concept of GD.

Also sorry for misunderstanding your last question.

idk i was pretty okay as a kid cuz i was allowed to do whatever the fuck i wanted like dance to country music with my sister and fuck around with her face powder

wasnt until around and slightly before the start of puberty when i started to feel fucking terrible all the time with no self esteem and i couldnt stand being in photos even if i loved being in them as a kid

and shit started to consciously turn to gender issues when i was around 15 and it all didnt fully come together until recently after starting hrt why i felt all that shit as a kid lol

>>7978231
Also I meant to put "become transgender" in quotation marks because I think it's incorrect to assume you can become transgender, in the sense that it previously didn't exist for you on some level.

>>7977947
Potentially, I'm not sure if it exactly qualifies as a meme though, because essentially the ideas existed beforehand, but the knowledge of gd just activated them.
I would liken it to the "surge" in autism that has come about with greater knowledge of the condition. It's not that these people weren't autistic before, it's just now there is a label and more understanding of their condition, which allows more people to get treatment for it. Including high functioning autists

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>>7978325
Like, the basic idea of The Meme Theory of Gender Dysphoria is that lots of people would've lived happy lives as men if they hadn't heard about transness, but that this idea activated latent gender dysphoria and made them need to transition.

(Also explains HSTS and AGP. HSTSs had their latent gender dysphoria triggered by themselves because they are so GNC, AGPs had their latent gender dysphoria triggered by porn.)

>>7978651
>would've lived happy lives as men if they hadn't heard about transness
Or maybe they wouldn't have been happy as men and that's why hearing about transness affected them.

>>7978651
>by porn

Why does it have to be porn? I'm attracted to women, so I guess I'm AGP, but I never even saw porn before I had gender feelings.

>>7978651

>Like, the basic idea of The Meme Theory of Gender Dysphoria is that lots of people would've lived happy lives as men if they hadn't heard about transness, but that this idea activated latent gender dysphoria and made them need to transition.

It seems like we are talking past each other, because that is essentially what I was trying to say in so many words here>>7978231 minus the part about people living otherwise happy lives as their natal sex assuming they never interacted with TG related concepts / ideas.

I'm inclined to think reasons for transitioning have less to do with sexual orientation (attraction to natal sex / a supposed core A*P like sexuality) and more to do with how GNC you feel from early childhood / teenage years / how comfortable you feel in your prescribed gender role. For instance I do think it's possible / probably best in many cases for someones well being to NOT transition if they are extremely GC / somewhat comfortable presenting as their natal sex and only feel mild dysphoria / experience an A*P like orientation, though that's not to say their dysphoria can't eventually manifest in other ways / push them to the point in which transition is a viable option for them.


I think what you are arguing makes more sense in the context of the hypothetical I stated above, but even still I would argue that the person in questions reasons for transition go deeper than external ideas / concepts or "memes."

>>7978755
See that's my biggest problem with blanchards typology as well, it's too simplistic in it's approach to reasons for transition / assumes too much about reasons for transitioning in people that fit the A*P profile.

>>7978755
>>7978777

Well, see, this is what The Meme Theory of Gender Dysphoria explains so well: if you have some non-porn non-GNC cause of awakening latent gender dysphoria, you will still not be GNC, so you will "seem like" the AGPs in many dimensioins without actually being AGP.

So this explains why some AGP-ish trans women aren't actually AGP.

>>7978014
>I doubt most of them have even read more than a few pages worth of information regarding Blanchards typology to begin with
[distressed noises]
t. blanchardian anon

>>7978813

I honestly don't see what this "theory" is explaining and I don't even think it's fair to apply that terminology here considering I can find zero evidence of this being discussed anywhere else but in this thread.

But regardless of the fact that you are making a lot of assumptions here, even IF someones first conscious experience of GD came from learning about something related to feelings / states associated with being transgender, I would still argue that it's incorrect to use the term "meme" because it assumes that these feelings come from only from external sources rather than being innate.

>>7978837
Hi blanchard anon. Also, you realize all of this a*p / hsts nonsense is mostly caras fault right? Sorry, but you created a monster.

>>7978899
i asked cara to stop typologyposting and she's agreed to stop
she's very psychologically distressed lately which correlated with the uptick in more intense and extreme posts about it
i've been doing a decent amount of writing on the topic off 4chan and been generally well received

>>7978914
>i've been doing a decent amount of writing on the topic off 4chan and been generally well received


will you link me to it or send me a link to my throwaway email if you don't want to post it here?

Even though I feel like I'm starting to reject blanchard's theory more and more I'm still interested / open to changing my opinion on the subject, it's just their are a few places so far that I've become extremely hung up on as I somewhat stated >>7978758 >>7978777 that feel pretty inconsistent with my own views towards myself.

>>7978914
>i've been doing a decent amount of writing on the topic off 4chan and been generally well received

Oh god it's Janice Raymond 2, we're doomed everybody, pack it up

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>>7978949
>tfw ignored by blanchard anon..

His papers are probably for hsts eyes only..

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>>7977947
I had signs of dysphoria before I knew what GID was, but learning about GID made me realize what it was that I probably suffered from.

Before I knew about GID I wanted to cut off my own testicles and felt like shit every day. After I knew about it I started feeling giddy and exited at the prospect of a solution in sight.

If I had been retarded or suffered from alexithymia it's possible that I'd interpret this as me being influenced by the internet to "become" trans, but it's clearly not the case given my history. I can understand other people being confused, though.

>>7978651
>AGPs had their latent gender dysphoria triggered by porn.
I'm AGP and never watched porn.

>>7979309
See >>7978813.

>>7978914
>she's very psychologically distressed lately
Why?

>>7979862
She skipped the hearing because she couldn't find a lawyer and didn't want to represent herself, so now Nicole basically upped the restrictions to the max in her absence.

>>7978914
have you ever considered writing a paper and such?

>>7977947
Everything's a meme.

Seriously though it's probably epigenetic and set shortly after exit from the womb at the latest based on the newer neurological research.

It has probably been a thing since ancient greece if not most of human history but it's more noticeable now because there are more/better options for transition and more exposure from modern media and the internet.

>>7977993
You seem to have no idea about the agp/hsts theoretical dimorphism and have probably just been listening to memes.
The theory holds both groups as being legitimate in need to transition and does not suggest that it's a socially adopted behaviour over a normal baseline.

>>7978154
No.
Someone could theoretically think that they're trans when they're not from not fitting some gender stereotype and misunderstanding what being trans is and they could even start transition but there would be a lot of hurdles and indications that it wasn't the right path and you can not "catch" being transgender as far as we understand it.

>>7978755
A lot of blanchard's work focused on sexuality including counting sex work as a plus for hsts, some believe because his work was actually supposed to be a back-door to getting homosexuality pathologised again.

>>7979869
what were the restrictions?

>>7980389
Didn't Blanchard lobby against conversion therapy for homosexuals though?

>>7980389
>Seriously though it's probably epigenetic and set shortly after exit from the womb at the latest based on the newer neurological research.
But what sets it?

>>7980389
>Someone could theoretically think that they're trans when they're not from not fitting some gender stereotype and misunderstanding what being trans is and they could even start transition but there would be a lot of hurdles and indications that it wasn't the right path and you can not "catch" being transgender as far as we understand it.
This bears repeating. There are some anons on this site who thinks wanting to be a girl = having gender identity disorder. Not any more true than being socially awkward makes you an autist or that believing you're autistic makes you autistic.

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>>7980389
>Someone could theoretically think that they're trans when they're not from not fitting some gender stereotype
The term is HSTS.

>>7977947
It's a meme like homosexuality is a meme.

>>7977947

No, real GID is a neurological issue, a "hardware" issue.

>>7983009
There isn't actually evidence of this, just pseudoscience misused by groups for their own agendas.

Isn't AGP inherent to GID since females are sexually aroused by their own femininity? Just that we label it for trans but not females?

>>7983018

Yes, there is evidence. Latest brain scans show that trans brains are atypical.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

>>7983027
How do you think that is evidence for GID being a neurological issue?

>>7983022
>females are sexually aroused by their own femininity
They aren't, not like AGPs are. HSTS trannies also aren't. Bi and les cis women may rarely be.

>>7983042
Because the brain scans show that trans brains exhibits a profile with atypical similarity with the opposite sex normal brain profile.

>>7983076
I know. How does that make it evidence for a neurological cause for GID?

>>7983081
If the trans brain shares similarity with the opposite sex brain then they may also share similar sexuality with the opposite sex.

>>7983101
That's not establishing a causal relationship.

>>7983116
The high correlation is indicative of a causal relationship.

>>7983148
It's indicative of which causal relationship, and why?

>>7983163
The correlation between GID and the trans brain profile is indicative that their brain profile is the cause of GID because all trans seem to have the same atypical profile.

>>7983018
Holy fuck, somebody on this board actually understands the science. I've seen so much
>REEE MUH n = 12 BRAIN STUDIES
I never thought this day would come.

>>7983177
That doesn't follow. That's why I asked why.

>>7983186
How do you know I'm not some TERF or /pol/tard who thinks GID is misogynistic men or E in the water?

>>7983193
It follows. If a typical female brain produces the typical female gender then a brain similar to the typical female brain may produce a similar gender.

>>7983219
You're still on this board. I'll take what I can get, man.

>>7983228
>despite getting spoonfed, the tard does not understand the point that the causality can go either way

>>7983228
>It follows.
Assertion.

>If a typical female brain produces the typical female gender
Where are you getting that from?

>>7983251
Ohh, you followed perfectly. I kind of want to keep in touch now.

>>7983258
Just evidence over the years. The vast majority of females exhibit feminine attributes/behavior except when their brains are atypically masculine in which they exhibit masculine attributes/behavior. This is in infants and toddlers that have had very limited to no exposure to social conditioning. Gender seems to be hardwired.

>>7983282
>This is in infants and toddlers that have had very limited to no exposure to social conditioning.
How do you know they haven't received enough conditioning to influence their behavior?

Toddlers for sure have had plenty of exposure.

How do you know whatever attributes they exhibited as infants are in any way connected to gendered behavior later or to GID?

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>>7977947
Yes

>>7983308
>How do you know they haven't received enough conditioning to influence their behavior?

Similar to the same way we know that other behavioral anomalies such as autism aren't just socially conditioned.

>How do you know whatever attributes they exhibited as infants are in any way connected to gendered behavior later or to GID?

Can't know for sure but so far there's not enough data to assume that gender changes with age.

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>>7983343
Ugh, I fucking hate this. You only fucking need two, one for your house and one for your car, that many keys is fucking Autistic. Why do you need so many? How do you know which is for what?