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Transgender rapist moved to women's prison after sex change

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39337805

>Jessica Winfield, formerly known as Martin Ponting, was relocated to HMP Bronzefield in Ashford, Surrey.

>The convicted rapist was previously held at top security Whitemoor prison in Cambridgeshire, where she was serving a life sentence.

>Before her gender reassignment, Winfield complained of being victimised for being a male transsexual.

>Ten years ago, she wrote to prisoners' newspaper Inside Time to say she was given a "hard time because of my sexuality, possibly through lack of understanding and empathy".

>At the time she wrote: "I have changed my name to that of a female to prove to the authorities and everyone concerned that I am very serious about my gender and that I do not feel right being a man."

>But one of Ponting's victims has described the fact he was allowed a sex change as "diabolical".

>She told the Sun newspaper: "There are not enough words to describe him and the evil he has done.

>"It is diabolical they have allowed him to have a sex change and diabolical that he could be freed this year.

>"He may have changed physically but his brain is still the same."

Thoughts?
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>>7961782
Throw him to the men in prison.

He wants to rape? She should be raped.

An eye for an eye
A tooth for a tooth
A life for a life.
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>>7961811
>he
Check your privilege, shitlord.
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>>7961782
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>>7961811
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And prison rape as "punishment" violates both the principles of fair trial (unless a court literally decided that the sentence for her crimes is to be raped X times) and no cruel or unusual punishment.
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>>7961782
Western culture is obsessed with vengeance and punishing people who really just need mental help.

The guy definitely needs to see a psychiatrist before being released though. I'm not saying that he's excused for what he did, but humans innately don't want to harm other humans unless there's something seriously wrong with them.
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>>7962176
Stop misgendering her and then we can talk about your point of view.
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>>7962190
>tfw I subconsciously did that
>tfw I'm mtf myself
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>>7962190
her*
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>>7962176
>but humans innately don't want to harm other humans unless there's something seriously wrong with them.

So then I guess all of the wars of history are works of fiction then? Either that or most of the human population used to be completely mentally ill, but someone by breeding all of those mentally ill people with other mentally ill people, their descedants became healthy and sane?
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>>7961782
I mean I get you, but fact is, there's a ton of women who rape and kill other women and girls, and nobody complains about them being put in womens' prisons

makes me think this is less about actual morals on the part of the media and more about a vendetta to invalidate trans identities at every oppurtunity
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>>7962203
>>7962208
Internalized transphobia.
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>>7962220
That's a facet of it, but there's another. Cowardice. The cis woman is suggesting that they make the trans individual's stay in prison as painful as possible, but is too cowardly to suggest that they do the same to the cis women, because that would be an unpopular opinion.

If this cis woman who got raped were to suggest that all cis female prisoners have acid poured over their entire bodies and especially their sexual organs, then I would perfectly fine with her suggesting that this trans person be denied treatment, and even tied up and made into an onahole in a man's prison.
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>>7962228
Technically that is a man.
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>>7962176
>Western culture is obsessed with vengeance and punishing people who really just need mental help.
This. The justice system should be for protecting people from anyone dangerous, restitution for damages and rehabilitation for offenders.

>definitely needs to see a psychiatrist before being released though.
Be careful of this becoming indefinite detention for anyone who doesn't tick the right boxes or please the whims of authority figures.
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>>7962298
>This. The justice system should be for protecting people from anyone dangerous, restitution for damages and rehabilitation for offenders.

That's your opinion. Personally I prefer justice over mercy.
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>>7962219
I suggest doing some reading on the particular subject of war and the soldiers ability to kill.

In the American Revolution British battalions would practice accuracy by shooting big sheets that were roughly the size of firing lines and would have about 70-80% accuracy. However in actual combat accuracy was notoriously bad. Many theorized it was the stress of battle but it ended up being that most soldiers were actually shooting to miss.

In ww2 there are hundreds of accounts of German and allied soldiers happening on each other and rather than throwing lead at each other they shouted obscenities, threw rocks, and laughed about it.

Only until recently with modern armies most nations didn't do anything to dehumanize their own soldiers. That's why many US soldiers have such a hard time reintegrating into society these days.

I recommend a youtube channel by the name of lindybeige, he does a lot of historical war oriented videos.
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>>7962308
>Muh feels
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>>7962308
I said restitution.

The news routinely describes cases where an offender is fined a sum many times the compensation the victim gets.

Is that justice to you?
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>>7962176
>Western culture is obsessed with vengeance and punishing people who really just need mental help

I believe if you rape or murder someone and there's undeniable proof you did it, you should be given the rope.

How did this fucking faggot even get tranny hormones while in prison?
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>>7962255
???
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>>7962364
?

Technically that is a man
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>>7962344
>undeniable proof
Do you know how many people are found innocent after being "proven" guilty "beyond reasonable doubt"?

>How did this fucking faggot even get tranny hormones while in prison?
Prisoners should be denied medical care?
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>>7962330
I'm not sure what your attached image is supposed to have to do with what I said. Nothing, I take it?

>>7962336
No. The first ever little boy to call me a fag, I threw him on the ground and stomped on his back until several of his ribs were broken and he suffered nerve and lung damage. That is mercy to me. Just would have been me chopping him up and feeding him to his Christian bitch mother.
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>>7962397
Only medicine they need to live
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>>7962408
fag
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>>7962408
*Justice would have been

Talking about teeny tiny little fines, and the state taking a large portion for itself as profit, that doesn't have anything to do with justice, I can't even imagine what goes through the head of someone who pretends that's justice.
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>>7962409
Prisoners with Parkinson's should be denied their medication? Prisoners with epilepsy should be denied their medication?

Why is it you're so intent on giving those with very healthy bodies a less painful incarceration. Is your body very healthy?
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>>7962409
Such as gender reassignment.
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>>7962408
Pfft, that didn't happen. I'm sorry all the mean hetero football players that you had a crush on that picked on you back in highschool won't suffer unimaginable pain, but your silly made up story is just edgy little boy.
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>>7962244
>The cis woman is suggesting that they make the trans individual's stay in prison as painful as possible, but is too cowardly to suggest that they do the same to the cis women
yeah but she's still saying that because she hates the trans person more than she hates cis women who are prisoners, more than out of cowardice
I bet you even if the cis women prisoners in question had done the same crimes as the trans person, she'd be advocating a harsher punishment for the latter

I just spent a whole evening two nights ago reporting comments on a post on FB where a bunch of metalheads were planning a beatdown on a trans person I know tangentially- pre-organising bail money, posing with their guns out implying heavily they wanted to shoot her, talking about running her over with their trucks, boasting about having beaten her up already on a previous occasion etc., and not one of the comments I reported was removed despite me reporting half under "transphobia" and half under "general explicit threat of violence"; apparently, none of them broke Facebook's community standards, even the simple "let's kill this mentally ill tranny freak" comments

I hate to be tumblr but the truth is, in 2017, outside of the more hardline progressives, socialists etc. cis middle-class white liberals like those that write in The Guardian and The Independent don't care about transgender people

a month or so ago the BBC put Ray Blanchard on Newsnight and let him say 6-year-olds were being offered SRS on the NHS unchallenged for fuck's sake

The Independent, widely seen as one of the more left-wing papers in the UK, conducted a sting operation on one of the main UK self-medding sites last autumn as a dangerous public menace instead of a vital lifeline for trans people under a shitty system, and reported the site to the police

aside from lip-service in the form of reality TV shows and the odd "isn't this curious" documentary, we are over the 2013-2015 wave of trans acceptance
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>>7962438
tl;dr dog shit, as soon as you lied and implied I'm a liar, I know you're just living dog shit and a pedophile.
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>>7962432
Parkinsons is hardly the same thing as thinking your a woman
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>>7962437
Do you need gender reassignment to live?
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>>7962450
Hey look its the anon that accuses people of being a pedophile when they say things he doesn't like
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>>7962344
>if you rape or murder someone
Define rape and define murder.
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>>7962447
>yeah but she's still saying that because she hates the trans person more than she hates cis women who are prisoners, more than out of cowardice

That's where your opinion and mine different on that point, and it's a minor difference. You think her hatred is greater than her fear. I think her fear is much much much much much much much much much greater than her hatred.

If she is too afraid to suggest a harsh punishment for the cis, but secretly in the back of her mind she wishes she had the courage to suggest as much, then she'll redirect her hatred at the target she believes she is allowed to target. I've seen the cis do this countless times. I've successfully gotten cis to beat up other cis for me after angering them by convincing them that beating each other up will be far far safer than attacking me.
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>>7962219
Most wars wouldn't have gotten anywhere without things like religion or nationalism, both of which corrupt the mind and free will to the point that you could certainly say something is wrong with the people and question.

>>7962344
>I believe if you rape or murder someone and there's undeniable proof you did it, you should be given the rope.
But that's for the courts to decide. Prison rape and so on is an EXTRALEGAL punishment, and is immoral going by our legal standards. Now if a court decided that someone should actually be sentenced to be raped, that would be different.

>>7962255
>>7962396
????

>>7962438
Stop pretending to be a dank SJW.
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>>7962453
You're right. Parkinson's overwhelmingly affects straight men, I'm not aware of even a single case of it affecting anyone else, doctor's have become very intrigued with this fact, which seems to be completely unique as far as diseases go, and since cis straight men deserve to suffer as much as humanly possible, there's no reason to ever allow anyone to take Parkinson's medication.
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>>7962458
Can't you read?

>>7962463
Nope, actually that's a different anon.
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>>7962408
>The first ever little boy to call me a fag, I threw him on the ground and stomped on his back until several of his ribs were broken and he suffered nerve and lung damage.
What the fuck did you just say to me you little bitch I graduated at the top of my class in the Navy seals 300 confirmed kills I will wipe you off the face of this Earth with the precision no one has ever seen yada yada yada
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>>7961782
>thoughts

You're litetally that ban hopping child porn spammer who got banned in the morning while spamming and keeps posting the same shit that got him banned with the thoughts line


Nobody talk to the ban evader.

Sage and report the kid rapist and get him out of our site before he endangers it
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>>7961892

>An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

Well then that might keep people from poking each other's eyes out
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>>7962525
Dude stop it.

I am not OP but I have seen you do this multiple times.
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>>7962492
A mtf is technically a man.
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>>7962551
Wrong.

Try to learn the actual meanings of words (or at least something more sophisticated than grade 10 biology) before arguing with people who know their stuff.
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>>7962560
>a person with a penis isn't a man.

wew.jpg
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>>7962565
Biologically you are right, but for social reasons and out of politeness we treat them as women.
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>>7962565
>the sun is powered by nuclear fusion

wew.jpg
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>>7962546
And the archive proves those multiple times ended with his ban
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7593211/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7614131/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7663315/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7672093/#7672172
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7688503/#7689006
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7745762/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7746129/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7809640/#7810395
>>7962551
>>7961782
Hey pedo, why is it you're too dumb to change your posting style and evade for a chance. Do you really want te feds to get your data and throw you in prison?
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>>7962570
Thats my point.

Sure its polite to do, but technically they are a man.
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>>7962570
you're wrong. Medical transition is about changing biology. And hons and anyone who refuses to change his body are creepy men and deserve the worst.
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>>7962575
>similar posting style proves it

I don't even know what reaction image to use
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>>7962586
Are you the LGBP poster?
you got BTFO by every academic circle there was on it. Don't talk bio when you need a ged.
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>>7962587
Let me know when you can change your chromosomes and we can talk about biology.
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>>7962591
Hashes prove it
>>7962586
LgbP get out. You're an out and proud pedophile and we have no room for crinal pedophiles here
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>>7962586
Biologically yes they are a man with changed biology as >>7962587 said but socially they are a woman, not a man, even if they haven't changed their body.
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>>7962594
Looks like the mentally ill tailer trash forgot that chromosomes aren't sex and don't controll it
http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
>Battle of the sexes
>According to some scientists, that balance can shift long after development is over. Studies in mice suggest that the gonad teeters between being male and female throughout life, its identity requiring constant maintenance. In 2009, researchers reported deactivating an ovarian gene called Foxl2 in adult female mice; they found that the granulosa cells that support the development of eggs transformed into Sertoli cells, which support sperm development. Two years later, a separate team showed the opposite: that inactivating a gene called Dmrt1 could turn adult testicular cells into ovarian ones. “That was the big shock, the fact that it was going on post-natally,” says Vincent Harley, a geneticist who studies gonad development at the MIMR-PHI Institute for Medical Research in Melbourne.
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>>7962607
Make is sperm production you can't be male if you can't peoduce sperm you hon
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>>7962607
Socially doesn't matter that's why we need bathroom bills to keep biological manly men like you from the women. Hons have insane logic.
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>>7962594
>http://biologyclermont.info/wwwroot/courses/oldlab2/old%20m2%20geneprob.htm
>Sex (It’s a Phenotype, Not a Chromosome!)
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>>7962594
Chromosomes are a miniscule portion of biology and serve only as a blueprint.
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>>7962629
The only insane person in this thread is you. And sex-segregation of bathrooms is a social construct, it has literally nothing to do with biology.
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>>7962344
There's no such thing as "undeniable proof".
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>>7962645
Tell that to the law hon
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>>7962651
>implying the law defines biology
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>>7962642
>the basic building blocks of life are only a blueprint and don't matter
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>>7963063
Sex chromosomes don't controll or determine sex. Men and women have all of the genes needed for male or female and it's just which get transcribed. That's why hospitals stoped using chromosmes for sex testing decades ago.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/path.2335/abstract
What's it like knowing you flunked out of school?
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>>7961782
Fair enough, but they should have given this weirdo a subcapsular orchiectomy.

>>7961892
So this is unthinkable in the west, but just fine in Utar Pradesh?
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>>7962190
You grannies are pathetic.

If someone plays the transgender card you instantly forgive any sin.
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>>7961892
Yeah, that's the funny thing: there are maudlin ad campaigns starring B-list actors about how you shouldn't "buy girls", but going just by volume, the United States correctional system is the largest sex trafficking organization in history.
You can't even whack it to a teenage Stacy, even if she's posting her D-cups on Instagram with her kid in the background., without being an Ed Gein rapist.
Meanwhile, it's perfectly fine to try some teenage black dude as an adult and send him to a cinderblock dungeon where he's brutally raped and tortured by barafag bull niggers.

In other words, the state must maintain its monopoly on rape.
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>>7964592
goddamn editing put in more typos than it got rid of
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>>7964592
Just how endemic is prison rape in the US and other countries?

How much do prisons deliberately turn a blind eye to it?
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>>7964659
If I told you about a guy, "yeah, sometimes he brutally rapes dudes but it's unavoidable and most of them had it coming", would you be all
>okay but like, how many dudes does he rape and does he feel bad about it afterwards

But, rape aside, you have to admire the Great Satan's cunning. Employing an army of torturers would be costly (and ineffective, because some of them would have pangs of conscience).
Instead, the state uses people who have already self-selected for low empathy and high sadism (ie. violent criminals) to torture the rest of them, which means it doesn't have to pay them, and it can dodge all blame, because it's their fault and not its own.
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>>7964734
No need to preach, I've already swallowed the yellow-and-black pill. I'm all for abolishing all prisons and bringing back the workhouse.

I just wanted to know specifics or stats.
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>>7964755
yeah but rape was endemic in workhouses too
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>>7964776
That's the business of private tribunals.
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>>7964823
>someone mentions your rape problem
>YEAH WELL OUR CLOSEST IDEOLOGICAL COMPETITOR IS WAY WORSE

Imagine an individual dude trying that. Imagine a pimp justifying his Russian bride business with "but in Russia their husbands would beat them".
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>>7964875
I just told you how there wouldn't be a rape problem?

>Russian bride business
Do they volunteer for it as a way to emigrate?
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>>7964897
I thought you were making digs at AnCaps. Sorry.

I'm not wholly anti-state. I think that the state is important BECAUSE we can blame it for things. With private individuals, you have to negotiate with them individually. With a state, you can scream at it until it stops being shitty, and in the extreme, blow it the fuck up and take all its shit. Is this dumb?
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