MTF orgasm changes

>>7941845
fucking /tttt/

>>7941846

A yes or no will do

To sum it up in a sentence: the climax is more prolonged.

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>>7941861

Does it feel better? (Y/N)
Can one have multiple orgasm? (Y/N)
Any refractory period? (Y/N)
Are the sensations stronger? (Y/N)
Are the orgasm dry? (Y/N)

>>7941861
Is that better?

>>7941893
yes to all except 3, on which I'm not sure

>>7941897
It's definitely better. Before you could feel the climax about to arrive and then it just happened and that was it. Now the build-up is much more intense and the post-climax feeling lasts a lot longer.

>>7941893
>Does it feel better? (Y/N)
different, but not purely better
>Can one have multiple orgasm? (Y/N)
yes
>Any refractory period? (Y/N)
pretty much none
>Are the sensations stronger? (Y/N)
depends
>Are the orgasm dry? (Y/N)
yes

>>7941906
>Now the build-up is much more intense and the post-climax feeling lasts a lot longer.
Describe both these in detail please?

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>>7941906

Great. Thank you.

How about the process during? Does stimulation itself feel like an improvement?

>>7941916
>different, but not purely better
Different how?

>depends
Explain?

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>>7941918
It's hard to explain. All I can say is that it's much more intense than before and that the feeling of pleasure is more sustained as opposed to a surge just at the climax.

>>7941929
>Different how?
>>7941906
>Explain?
You can have good and bad orgasms depending on mindset and stimulation with both hormones

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>>7941930
>>7941916
>>7941906

Ok. What a sad reality for me as a biological male.

Can one simply take hormones and still present as a male in order to feel the benefits a woman would?

>>7941845
trans man
never jacked off pre-t
but i relate much more to the male description of orgasm, in that it's a pretty quick sensation and i'm super tired after
i also feel arousal exclusively in my t-dick and don't really focus on the rest of my genitalia at all, but i had that pre-t as well
the time it takes me to masturbate is roughly 10-25 minutes according to the spreadsheet i've been keeping, modal number in the high teens, so between male (~5min) and female (~45min) norms
there is little to no research on this topic, but the best guesses i've read from educated people is that the claims you generally see are exaggerated but not baseless

>>7941940
You know I'm trans, right? No SRS here.

>>7941941

Did you have any sexual experience at all prior to your transition?

>>7941948

OK. I understand. But can I present as a male, secretly take hormones to feel this changed pleasure?

>>7941950
no
also, regarding the female/feminized male orgasm being better, i should note here the trans women saying this have a bias -- by definition they greatly enjoy everything about being a woman over everything about being a man
if hrt gave trans women full menstrual cycles, they would sing the praises of their moon goddess connection
so it is not necessarily the best option for a man to attempt to feminize his orgasm with hrt even if the most exaggerated claims were true

>>7941952
Possibly? It wouldn't happen straight away and would also depend on your hormone levels.

>>7941959
>>7941952
also, this is the best we can draw about mtf orgasm from the science:
hrt reduces-to-destroys spermatogenesis and thus reduces the level of ejaculatory fluid
less to no ejaculate being emitted means orgasm feels mildly different
however this is not necessarily going to be the same thing a cis woman experiences and there's no real evidence in either direction
you could take hrt to attempt to change your orgasm, but note also that the orgasm-modifying changes are inherently sterilizing and inherently destructive to your genitalia (loss of erections, etc)

the main 'quality' difference between male and female orgasm is the ability for multiple orgasms, and natal males (hrt is not a factor here) can semi-easily train themselves into having them

>>7941974
OP is forgetting about the fact that taking female HRT will actually make him masturbate way less, so he doesn't actually get anything out of it.

>>7941941
>never jacked off pre-t
Why not? Mtfs do.

Do you feel you're missing out by getting the male kind?

>the best guesses i've read from educated people
Links?

>>7941983
because i'm avoidant, which is the specific presentation of genital dysphoria in which you are incapable of sexually interacting with your pre-transition genitals
it's pretty common, leaning towards universal, for trans people with [not gonna derail this thread by being blanchardian anon] etiologies
as a result i only started jacking off when t made my setup a little less bad, and still doubt i will lose my virginity while pre-op
>Do you feel you're missing out by getting the male kind?
nope
i don't see anything wrong with the way i cum
the female orgam description just sounds...overwhelming, in a bad way
>Links?
usually it's like 1 line in page 266 of a 400 page document

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>>7941893
>Does it feel better? (Y)
Can one have multiple orgasm? (Y)
>Any refractory period? (N)
>Are the sensations stronger? (Y)
Like others have said it's more of a build up im a little more vocal because of it too
>Are the orgasm dry? (Y)
But my feminine benis gets like sort of wet like around it.

Also playing with my breast I can multiple orgasm as well

>>7941990
>the female orgam description just sounds...overwhelming, in a bad way
Bad how?

>>7942005

How long were you on hormones before you could achieve this sort of orgasm?

FtM.

I've been masturbating since I was 13, which is supposedly early for natal females. Only got interested in penetrative stimulation once I got on hormones, but hormones also increased my already high libido.

I was pretty much incapable of orgasm when I was with my partner before T, but it's worth noting that my clit always was small and that building up sensation was a long process (never got myself off quicker than 40min) and that it's really no wonder my GF never got a hang of it. My clit has grown somewhat, changing how I touch myself (my touches are less specific and more broad strokes if that makes sense) My libido peaked in my first month but remains high - I suppose I just got used to it. I still have a hard time getting off when I'm not solo, but it's gotten better. I never had much interest in multiple orgasms, and I've only experienced it once or twice. Never experienced an orgasm from penetration but I've only had the chance to use something not my fingers (which I experience as tedious and Not Worth It) like, three times. I still experience pleasure, and since I'm hardcore into femdom I'm currently looking for options for strap ons for my GF (and me).

I used to experience slower buildup and a less intense payoff, now I feel like it's a steeper curve, but I'm also more sensitive post-climax. Also part of the reason I haven't experimented much with multiple orgasms. Doctor said I'd probably experience dryness, but while wetness from arousal isn't as immediate it's definitely more otherwise.

The time it takes is also much shorter, my record is five minutes but I think I average on twenty-ish.

>>7942037
>Only got interested in penetrative stimulation once I got on hormones,
Why did that change? Isn't being penetrated dysphoric?

>My clit has grown somewhat, changing how I touch myself (my touches are less specific and more broad strokes if that makes sense)
Rather than just putting pressure on it, you run your finger along it?

>I still have a hard time getting off when I'm not solo, but it's gotten better.
Can't you just instruct your GF to do the same you do yourself?

>I used to experience slower buildup and a less intense payoff, now I feel like it's a steeper curve, but I'm also more sensitive post-climax.
Besides being more intense, what is the payoff like pre T and now? Why does the increased sensitivity afterwards stop you experimenting with multiple orgasms?

>tfw will never suck on all the feminine benises in this thread

>>7941845
>>7941893
I feel like commenting on this because I realise my experience feels different to a lot of the ones I've read.

Before HRT I used to be pretty typical in terms of male orgasm but after it it feels really different now.

1. Yes, building up to climax I get flushes of hot and cold and my skin and muscles feel almost electric. My penis works but I don't really feel much there at climax, I feel the orgasm all the way through my body though and I think I can feel my prostate going crazy. I get very twitchy and I dare say I look like one of those overacting porn girls that you see. THAT SAID...
2&3. I know a lot of MtFs report being able to have multiple orgasms and not having a refractory period but I don't think this is true for me. I don't think I've really tried for multiples but once I've climaxed I'm pretty content to just snuggle up and not thing about sex anymore. So yeah, I've never really had the urge to try afterward but I get feeling I'd not really be up for it.
4. In penis; definitely not. Everywhere else; I was so overwhelmingly shocked for how strong it was and was really not prepared for my "first" orgasm. I completely went off sex for like the first 5 months of HRT and didn't even bother, but when I tried at around the 6 month mark I just shook and shook and I thought I was going into an epileptic fit.
5. There is no sperm in my ejaculate from what I can see, but I leak a LOT of clear stuff. It doesn't really come out at climax though like it used to. I leak tonnes during sex, get like a few drops come out at climax and then leak for the next few hours. In a way it feels really sexy at the time, but if I have to go out afterwards I get really conscious about it because I don't know if people can smell it.

>>7943675

Thank you for this.

Can you tell me about what you are on please? Meds, etc.?

>>7943675

Also can you please comment on how it is that you masturbate?

hey 1 month on hrt here and i just masturbated

well it felt kinda cool like it took way longer to climax than before hrt and ive really been focusing on my thoughts more like i havent masturbated to porn or anything on hrt

like as i was approaching climax i had to let out small gasps and stuff and like quiver a bit and at climax it was p. much a full body feeling and cum is clear ofc and after orgasm i felt dazed for ages and im still drowsy

FtM, I was entirely asexual, anorgasmic, never even knew what sexual arousal felt like before I started T. I went from having nothing to the libido of an unfixed tomcat within three days a couple months back. I get off in under five minutes, and I'm ready to go again in another two. It's not even that good and I hate everything.

So I have no basis for comparison but I can say that my girlfriend seems to get off longer and more intensely than I do, but she also doesn't go off at the sight of anything resembling a titty.

>>7941940
This is a blue board

>>7942098
>1
I experience little genital dysphoria about the shape of my genitalia in comparsion to the function of it (the idea of pregnancy disgusts me). Of course, I'd still prefer to have a dick, but for sexual pleasure I don't mind my cunt. It's there, might as well make the most of it since the real culprit is my ovaries.
Might have to do with T making my libido stronger.

>2
Something like that. Imagine the difference between one of those mouse buttons imbedded into some keyboards instead of a trackpad, compare it to a scroll wheel.

>3
Don't you think I've tried that, fucker? Sexual intercourse triggers my dysphoria not in that I experience extreme anxiety or depression, but it just turns me off. Also, she's much more easily stimulated and also likes it rougher. When I get hot and bothered, that affects her and she forgets that I'm a sensitive, delicate flower. I also don't like the position that being fingered puts me in; I don't mind femdom but I've a really hard time seeing myself as a lesbian so if something seems more lesbian than potentially straight to me that's gonna mess with me. I don't mind getting head (though it only gets me so far) and I'd be so down to be "pegged", but cunt-specific stuff kinda bothers me. Haven't had much of a chance to fuck since I actually started getting growth, though, so maybe it'll change.

>4
Payoff?
And because it just doesn't feel good. It's sensitive to the point of discomfort. And even if I do get past that, my orgasms seem... dry. Like I'll feel pleasure buildup without any real climax. Also I rarely feel the desire to continue.

>>7944133

Yeah, for my first month I'd get my libido highs around 12-13 midday, and since we had lunch rush around then it was a legit problem where I lost focus easily.
I'm at a point where I feel kinda gross about it. I'll be horny but think about something I usually find sexy and just go "ugh" like it's a chore. My kinks have gone from "mostly vanilla for a queer guy" into "kind of weird" territory (I read one erotica thing that wasn't even that hot and now I've a two-months-going fixation on watersports) and with my smell being more potent than it was before I can't stop thinking that it surely MUST linger...
I just really miss my GF (LDR), sex with her is always fun even if I don't always get to climax personally.

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Any other MtFs feel like they are starting to become more asexual after being on HRT for awhile? I've been on Hrt for 8 months and I almost never have any sexual thoughts any more / feel any kind of sexual attraction to people.

>>7944777
Have you tried progesterone?
I hear it revives dead mtf libido. Not to the same amount as testosterone but a significant amount.

>>7944725
>It's sensitive to the point of discomfort.
How sensitive? I thought clits were supposed to be more sensitive than dicks from the start, so why would T make it more sensitive not less?

>>7944786
No, to be honest part of me likes not really feeling any sexual attraction to people, it definitely is odd though.

>>7944738
>I read one erotica thing that wasn't even that hot and now I've a two-months-going fixation on watersports
link?

>>7941940
I'm not on hormones, but I think i can get these "feminine/full-body orgasms".
That's just very long and difficult because I have to reach orgasm without ejaculating.

I usually do it by rubbing my dick "as if it was a vagina", and stopping when I know I'm close to cuming. By repeating this, the orgasm builds from the lower part of the abdomen.
This leads to stronger orgasms, and in the whole body, and I can have more than one (but it's already really difficult to have one this way).

So, if you're cis or don't take hormones yet, you can try it. It's worth it (just expect a lot of fails before experiencing one, and cuming can feel bad if you're MtF - but achieving can be part of "feeling like a woman")

>>7944777
Pretty much. I've more or less forgotten what it feels like to see someone and feel attraction, or to just feel anything when looking at something sexy. Every once in a while it kinda comes up as a feeling in my abdomen under the right circumstances, but it's not nearly as intense and it's different from the tight feeling I'd get in my throat pre-HRT. I don't miss it, feeling sexual attraction is just frustrating and bothersome.

>MtF 17mo HRT

>>7944819
>I usually do it by rubbing my dick "as if it was a vagina",
Explain? How else can it be done?

>>7944843
Maybe I should have placed bigger quotation marks.
Basically, I usually masturbate by placing my dick on my belly and rubbing it. I feel it gives me more control (and that it is closer to how I would do it if I had a vagina).

>>7944830
Do you think its natural or repression?

>>7944912
It's natural, I have no reason to repress. Like I said in the right circumstances I feel it, but it's very different. I think what might actually be happening here is that I still need time to adjust to feeling attraction differently.

>>7944891
Interesting. I don't like touching it, but maybe I'll try this.

>>7944939
>I think what might actually be happening here is that I still need time to adjust to feeling attraction differently.

Hmm I had a similar thought maybe thats it.

>>7944939
Out of curiosity were you bisexual before you transitioned?

>>7944998
No, why?

>>7945030
Just wondering, no reason really.

>>7944809
It was fanfiction, and again, it wasn't particularly good anyway. Just hadn't considered it before.

>>7944801
That's about as helpful to you as asking how my shoes fit; it won't mean anything to you no matter what I say. I react more to touch in general and the pleasure I feel is more direct. I am (have been) much more sensitive than my GF despite taking longer to finish so I don't know what's going on, really. Over sensitivity is a post-climax thing.

>>7944819
Sounds like what some of the guys over at /hm/ describe for their prostate orgasms.

>>7943943
Estrogen, cypro, MPA, Finasteride.

>>7943957
Depends on my mood. Mostly just penile in a fashion that is rather typical of uncut people. Occasionally do anal for a change.

>>7945163
>finasteride with cypro

i dont get this meme, cypro will block the effects of dht as well and dht is formed from testosterone and the production of testosterone is eliminated by cypro, making finasteride absolutely fucking useless

>>7945264
Moved from spiro to cypro recently, haven't had a bloodtest yet to check if my T levels are still low so still taking fin as a precaution,

>>7941959
>by definition they greatly enjoy everything about being a woman over everything about being a man
>if hrt gave trans women full menstrual cycles, they would sing the praises of their moon goddess connection
I think you are overestimating people's capacity to be objective.

>>7941974
>the main 'quality' difference between male and female orgasm is the ability for multiple orgasms,
But cis men and women describe their orgasms very differently don't they?

>>7941990
Why does the dysphoria of "group 1" trans women and the equivalent trans men include avoidance?

>>7945098
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I'm gonna start on hormones. I was already planning to, but now I am even moreso after seeing this.

>>7945163
>cypro, MPA
rip anon
those are nearly identical drugs (so you're getting a double dose) and both have overlapping severe side effect profiles
find a separate antiandrogen (increase your fin dose, maybe) and get on micronized progesterone
>>7945390
>I think you are overestimating people's capacity to be objective
do you mean underestimating?
>But cis men and women describe their orgasms very differently don't they?
yes, but that doesn't mean one is inherently better than the other (as mentioned female orgasm doesn't sound that appealing to me, but i have the aforementioned objectivity problem in the opposite direction)
multiple orgasmic capacity is the real advantage and is a teachable thing that doesn't require hrt
>>7945809
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
perhaps it has something to do with the fact that dysphoria for that cluster is inherently early-onset, thus natal genitals only develop a negative connotation and there's no time for the less-actively-negative connotations a*p people who interact with their genitals for sexual reasons pre-dysphoria onset have to develop

>>7946668
Yep, I am.

I wonder if just taking the herbal stuff for a few months would affect orgasms... I did it once, and noticed some slight differences, but I panicked once I started growing boobs and stopped taking them before significant changes actually started happening...

My nipples were constantly poking through my shirts, and I got really self conscious about it. I'm still not even sure I could handle it now...

>>7946729
As I said, just moved from spiro to cypro endo said continuing with MPA is fine for the next few months. I don't think I take much of either as it stands, 25 cypro and 5 MPA.

>>7941845

>arousal
I feel like its more of a gauge now. I can see something sexy, look at porn and just store thing away until later. Its harder to push down after a certain point, though. Also, arousal is more tangible for me now. Before I didn't really get arousal so much as I just got a boner with no real desire or physical feeling. Now its an actual state that I feel myself in that I have to actively ramp down from.

>sensation of stimulation
This has gotten super weird. Yeah Im more sensitive to touch but I wouldn't say the sensation itself is that much different.
Personal note: I cant look at pornographic movies, webms, gifs, etc. anymore. especially stuff I find even a little arousing because my body physically responds to whats being shown. Like if I watch a girl getting plowed by another chick with a strapon i start to fell it kind of? Its not a phantom sensation, but more like shits getting transmitted to me, I dont feel the penetration, just the sensations if that makes sense?
I know this sounds insane but I do experience it fairly often.
It also happen sometimes when I read porn stories but not as often.

>orgasm
Orgasms are weird.
They feel sort of muted sometimes like Im far away from the sensations happening but my body is still getting the feelings. I feel like that might be because of hormones though (last time I checked, my testosterone was like 9 or something. Regular female ranges are like 17-40)

>Is it better for woman?
I think so? then again, my male sexual experience wasnt typical (I think I have nerve damage or something) so maybe not?

>>7945163
>finasteride with cypro

i dont get this meme, cypro will block the effects of dht as well and dht is formed from testosterone and the production of testosterone is eliminated by cypro, making finasteride absolutely fucking useless>>7953238
>>>arousal
>I feel like its more of a gauge now. I can see something sexy, look at porn and just store thing away until later. Its harder to push down after a certain point, though. Also, arousal is more tangible for me now. Before I didn't really get arousal so much as I just got a boner with no real desire or physical feeling. Now its an actual state that I feel myself in that I have to actively ramp down from.
hnng fuckin this

im so glad to be rid of the gross male sex drive and be dealt with this

like it feels so good to actually feel flustered and aroused and just desiring intimacy fuck its all i could have hoped for

>>7953238
>>sensation of stimulation
>This has gotten super weird. Yeah Im more sensitive to touch but I wouldn't say the sensation itself is that much different.
>Personal note: I cant look at pornographic movies, webms, gifs, etc. anymore. especially stuff I find even a little arousing because my body physically responds to whats being shown. Like if I watch a girl getting plowed by another chick with a strapon i start to fell it kind of? Its not a phantom sensation, but more like shits getting transmitted to me, I dont feel the penetration, just the sensations if that makes sense?
>I know this sounds insane but I do experience it fairly often.
>It also happen sometimes when I read porn stories but not as often.
like holy shit this too like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVMHKb8A4A is my fav music ever right now because of what you said really

>>7953340
I'm, what are you talking about?

>>7953454
idk wtf are you saying

>>7953456
So you are saying my original post sounded crazy, then?
I didn't get what the song had to do with the post. Ok.

>>7953463
nah im not saying youre crazy i understand 100% what you're saying and like i was saying the music vid is like my fav music vid right now cuz like its as if i can feel what shes feeling and it feels so fucking good