Ruining everything

>>7926444
Centrist with libertarian leanings
cis bi guy

>>7926444
I'm usually centrist, although when it comes to voting I can go to extremes, depending on what I feel is best for the country in the long run.

>>7926444
MtF all the way to the left.

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>>7926444
Pretty centrist, but I'd call myself a classical liberal.

>>7926588
look who won a free helicopter ride

mtf all the way in the bottom right corner, libertarianism ftw

>>7927237
>mfw finding my double
except you transitioned...

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>>7926595
Yep, I'd put myself right there as well.

right libertarian leaning centrist
basically >>7926595 but a bit up

>>7926444
MtF Libertarian left. I have to admit that I have been losing my "libertarian" side with time, but in no way I could be called a centrist.

>>7927308
Who tortured you in a dungeon for seven years?

>>7927308
How can you get from Friedman to Stalin?

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>>7927308
this is a troll post

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>>7927344
>>7927348
It doesn't account for guild systems. I hate commies and capitalists. I hate plutocracy and bureaucracy. I'd be left of ol' adolf if it did.

>>7927361
>every people should persue happiness in their own way
>happiness
I'm kind of tired of that meme.

>>7927374
Me too. The problem is that under the current system, there is no authority to give us guidance. Freedom without guidance is abuse.

>>7927380
>Needing a Big Brother government to guide you through life
stay cucked idiot

>>7927374
Freedom isn't the number of choices but the right ones. Guidance helps. The capitalist system keeps us without guidance, leaving us chasing useless crap in order for a few can profit.

>>7927257
beginning hrt in a month, havent transitioned yet. Good to find you ^-^

>>7927397
Lol, I'm against the state having complete control. The guild system creates more than one hierarchy in which people can pursue. It becomes about mentorship than authoritarianism by that point.

>>7927397
Besides, the lowest council of the system I support is in charge of picking the employers. The state nor rich then aren't in full control of the economic sphere but rather the foundation is built by the people.

>>7927380
>we need guidance in the form of an authoritarian regime
I really hope you're not implying that.
>>7927398
Freedom is the condition in which you have a number of options and you choose the one you want without coercion from third parties. All of this under the notion that you have the capacity to take the right choice for you. It seems like what you want is to form citizens that are capable of choosing the right one, for which they will need guidance.

Well, guidance is a horrible word to describe that. A good education that includes emotional development and competences to confront a changing world seems to be a better choice of words. When you say "guidance" it sounds dominant, instead of education which implies giving someone the tools to take care of him or herself.

Also, read some Foucault, nigga.

>>7927404
>guild system
>eventually every guild seeks their own convenience and the entire society suffers from that
I know this by experience because my country has a dictatorship that forced a system along those lines (yes, the one with the fun helicopter rides).

>>7927460
The means of production is owned by the worker. The workers vote based on vocation which forms a vocational council. This council creates a fief. The employer accepts the fief and the council approves. The employer is thus picked by the council which was picked by the worker. This has a buffer away from state control because of the estates council which is voted in by the vocational council. The estates are for legislation purposes. The grand council and the president are the executive. The state isn't dictatorial, and plutocrats don't own the means of. production

Ive lit a police car on fire. its fun.

>>7927460
The foundation of the state is the worker, and the worker selects the employer. Aka a true dictatorship of the proletariat.

>>7927492
What stops me to form an army and destroy that system, take the means of production and create famine and desolation for the centuries to come?
If everything is owned by guilds, how do I make sure to impart the education that would give everyone the same opportunities to choose the guild they like the best? What if my dad is a steel wielder and I want to be a pop dancer? Can I join the pop dancers guild? How would I compete with the sons of those competent pop dancers who probably know a thousand moves more than me? A world without the freedom to be a pop dancers it's a terrible world, you know? Not to mention what would happen if I want to leave my guild. What if I know things that people outside the guild shouldn't know? Will they kill me for my secrets?
You haven't thought this guild system, don't you? It's sounds awfully similar to the ancap rant. They like to fill their mouths with freedom and other cute things, but when confronted with historical problems or strategic ones they freeze on spot and just spout "m-muh human nature", like it actually means something.

>>7927589
Education plays a good role. After high school, there will be a mandatory labor force to try out a feild that you think is great. After a year, you can decide whether to pursue it or change feild.

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>>7926444
t. cisles

>>7927743
Are you an anfem?

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>pro gun control (not ban, want waiting period, background checks, gun proficiency test)
>pro abortion (unwanted babies are a drain on society)
>pro equal rights for LGBT
>strict separation of church and state
>pro universal healthcare
>anti tax cuts for the wealthy
>want government to invest more in schools, hospitals, roads, and clean energy
>want stronger EPA, FCC, and FDA

I guess I'm a liberal, though I don't care about labels.

>>7928862
you are generic librul

>>7928862
>unwanted babies are a drain on society
>pro universal healthcare
>want government to invest more in schools, hospitals, roads, and clean energy
liberals, everybody!

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I'm not sure as to where I land. I'm pro-equal rights for all groups, pro-gun, strongly believe the best path is worker control of production, strongly anti-censorship and for the protection of free speech along with privacy, pro-abortion, for the collectivization of recourses, strongly opposed to religion, against drugs and alcohol, I dislike race and culture playing a big part of people's identity and for the removal of the concept of borders. Am I libertarian socialist?

I'm a bi MtF that's like a square right of center on the X axis and a little over half of the way down to the bottom of Libertarian on the Y axis. Realistically, though, I just support whatever I think is best for me with both the short and long term effects factored in.

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>>7926444
straight guy (female)
vaguely bernie sanders-aligned, anti-sjw (partially for the normal reasons and partially because they don't focus on truleft class struggle), anti-feminism, the kind of person sjws derogatorily call a 'brogressive' except i embraced it
the test is kinda shit, it calls you an sjw for having basic-criteria-to-be-ordinary-human-being beliefs like not thinking you should beat children
also i'd be more likely to crowdfund an assassination with memeocurrency than light a cop car on fire

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Straight mtf. Over the last few years I've started to dislike the the left wing parties more than the right. I'm not particularly super fond of either side at the moment though. Both have a mix of good and bad policies/ideologies.

>>7929883
>Over the last few years I've started to dislike the the left wing parties more than the right. I'm not particularly super fond of either side at the moment though.

^this.

>>7926444
You just made my day fiend :')

>>7926444
Conservative Ancap
MtF, straightish

>>7929656
read this
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

>>7929975

for bottom left, "it's okay if they do it first".

lower left and currently in the process of moving farther in that direction
bi cis guy

>>7929990
>>7929987

>>7929994
>https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread
From a cursory glance it seems to have similar views as me on food and housing, the two factors I consider most important in a non-capitalist state.
The introduction seems promising as well.
Will keep it bookmarked for future reading.
Thanks

>>7926444
I don't really consider myself much of a political person, but I usually end up in the bottom left square.
I'm a bi transgirl.

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>>7926444

i'd say i'm at the best position desu.

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>>7930065
wtf, i retook the test on a different site, a few answers changed, and now im right wing.

>>7929874

why not both? i'm far left and extremely libertarian too

>>7928862

i'm anti gun control, the statistics aren't in favour of it being necessary (most gun owners are non-violent, non-offenders) and i believe in the second amendment for the exact reasons it exists... the cops are growing increasingly militarized, the government is corrupt, controling and keeping track of which civilians own weapons just makes that shit more terrifying

fact is gun control doesn't even actually work, and it goes against people being able to properly regulate themselves as a militia

i'm with you on most things, but completely disagree on that point

>>7930114
i'd do both, but the memeocurrency assassination takes priority
the cop car burning would be me paying a couple people in drugs (bought with spare memeocurrency on the darknet) to set a cop car on fire across from the assassination as a distraction
then somehow pin the whole thing on the alt-right ("actually, the gunman was a white nationalist upset trump wasn't going far enough!")

>>7930142

i love you

>>7930146
thanks anon, you're probably pretty cool too

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I don't really know what this means...
t. bi MtF

>>7930162

np... and eh that's subjective, but politically we're on the same page

>>7930162
you're not far off from where i was when i took my test.
>>7930065

i'm Bi and male though.

>>7930155

my bad this was for you >>7930171

>>7930162

it means you could be convinced to go along with the revolution

>>7930171
>>7930173
>>7930180

Im not an amerifag so it's hard to put this in perspective for me atleast and not very politically interested tbdesu. What does it mean if it's not too much to ask? The revolution?

>>7930188

it was a joke... but if it wasn't you wouldn't need to be american

>>7930188
i'm an Bong, so not an amerifag either.

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>>7929874
>straight guy (female)
>vaguely bernie sanders-aligned
>anti-sjw>>7929953
Please explain why you go for an-cap over say social-democracy?
Literally me except I'm AGP not trans.

>>7930133
What do you mean the statistics aren't in favour of it? Like gunfree zones are a total fuck up I can see that but it works well enough for many european countries, statistically.

>>7930792
>I'm AGP not trans
>I'm AGP
>not trans

>>7930162
It means you're likely anti-Trump, supported Bernie over Hillary during the primaries, and hold somewhat feminist views.

>>7930935
I dress and act as a straigh-fag so I'm hardly trans.
My AGP is subtle shit senpai.
>>7930946
I'm way more left leaning than that and only the first two are true. Women are pretty inferior in all ways but cuteness senpai.

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I-i hate SJWs I swear!

>>7931018
Being on the far left means you hate SJW's because they are fake. True lefties believe in smashing the capitalists not the patriachy.

>>7930930

what i mean is plenty of shootings are done with legal guns, meaning controling it in that manner doesn't stop shitty people from getting guns... at the same time most gun owners aren't violent criminals, cuz most people aren't violent criminals...

so the problem isn't the gun it's the individual who uses one for something fucked up, and screening people doesn't stop it... and logically even tighter screenings won't in plenty of cases, not having a history of criminal offense or mental issues doesn't prevent someone from buying a gun and killing someone...
and those same laws also don't prevent people from getting guns through illegal channels...

murders are gonna happen with or without guns btw, they do every day, and mass killings don't require guns history has taught us that pretty well...

so all gun laws essentially end up doing is requiring gun owners to register their weapons while not eliminating crimes (large or small scale), and that's a problem when you get to the idea of why people being able to own guns that the government doesn't control is important...

governments are not infallible systems, they often become corrupt over time and no amount of good intentions can save them once they've reached a certain point

so what happens then? in a system where people are unable to access a means of protection, regulate themselves, and defend themselves (the bulk of a country is made out of the people in it) in any way against the government then there's complete unchecked power at the top... and if you think that a system of government can regulate itself with any system of checks and balances in place when there's strategic ways to monopolize all of them, then you're kidding yourself...

a government defining who can and can't own guns essentially only tips the scales further in its own favour... and when you get past a certain point there's no way any semblance of balance can be achieved...

>>7931112

+ and even with guns people are still at a disadvantage due to all the advancements in weaponry... but it's better than nothing, i mean shit look at what cuba's managed at points with machetes against guns...

so what i'm saying is tight gun control laws only make people "feel safe" and maybe they are from each other to a very small extent (not a meaningful one), but overall everyone is inherently less safe when it comes to the system that controls them

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>>7931112

>>7931206

exactly... that's why i'm anti gun control, anyone who thinks gun control laws keep them safe is misplacing their fear and missing the bigger picture...

>tfw so many lesbian communists
>tfw libertarian lesbian
>tfw you've come to hate leftists and will die alone

>>7931378
there was a cisbi libertarian leaning girl in the last compass thread, or you could bite the bullet and take your pick of the abundance of libertarian mtf lesbians.

>>7931378
the market decided :/

Libertarian

>>7931026
Yeah, I was just memeing. Also I am not sure if they are fake or if they just lean to the authoritarian direction. I mean they have leftist ideas but they push them into racism and such.

>>7931112
Statistically it is prooven that strict gun control really does help. Examples are found all over Europe and I believe you can see tendencies in Canada that regulates guns more than America too. What you are saying is mostly propaganda from the companies that want to sell their shit. Surely there is some truth in it but you can't deny the statistics.
>murders will happen without guns too
Surely but they will be less deadly. Even an unarmed man can defend himself somewhat against a knife or the likes or at least run away which is harder with guns.
>governments are not infallible systems
It's so true but what guns will bring you is shown in Iraq, Afghanistan and so on. Lots of different opinions killing each other without proper coordination only creating senseless violence. If there were no guns they would be forced to change their system in another way likely with huge strikes. See Ghandi. And when all comes down to the government beeing to 'extreme' to overthrow without guns, like you said, a criminal will always get a gun and so will the revolution.

I am not against guns but I support proper screening, training and being properly registered. Personally I think Germany's system is a good start requiring you to either join a shooting club and regularily shoot or become a hunter with proper training and screening. This way others can see if you should carry a gun because they could tell when something is wrong unless of course your only intention is to kill in which case it would be a lot more difficult and the chance of you getting caught or changing your opinion is bigger. Though Germany should allow people to own more guns and more different types.

>>7931550
>Personally I think Germany's system is a good start requiring you to either join a shooting club and regularily shoot or become a hunter with proper training and screening.
Remember that story about two German trans women a mob of rapefugees tried to stone, after first trying to rape them? Think that would have happened if America's gun laws had been in place?

>>7931562
>cherrypicking
I'd rather have a couple of women raped than hundreds dead. Also what is pepperspray? It's a non lethal method to defend yourself and takes up even less space.

>>7931627
>what is pepperspray?
Illegal in much of Europe, that's what.

>>7931702
I see you are informed well. Pepperspray is indeed illegal. But you are allowed to buy animal protection spray (even against fucking bears that don't exist here) which is basically the same but a little weaker and surely enough to fend of attackers. See, pepperspray makes your skin eyes and everything burn, vomit spray makes you vomit and what we are allowed to have irritates your eyes, nose and so on that you can not properly see anymore. This allowes every victim to either run away safely or kick that sucker in his disorientation in the stomach.

In case there are 20-300 refugees this will of course not be enough. A gun might be helpful in that situation but could also escalate the situation further. To be honest this is almost organized crime and it comes down to a completely other problem. If anybody decides to harm you that has the ressources to send this many people you dun goofed anyways. A gun won't help.

Why is it ok when the state has guns but not the people?

>>7927398
> being this economically illiterate

>>7931562
Remember that gay bar shooting in America that killed over 50 people? Think what would have happened if Europe's gun laws had been in place?

>>7928862
> I guess I'm a liberal
No, you're just an idiot

>>7931764
>Pepperspray is indeed illegal. But you are allowed to buy animal protection spray
In Germany. No such luck for Belgium, Denmark, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, the Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, the UK and others. Enjoy getting raped and murdered, trans woman from those countries!

>>7931822
> strawman
> appeal to muh feels
Gas yourself. Would 9/11 have happened if we banned planes?

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>>7926444
Gods choosen absolute monarchy. Everything else doesnt have the right to rule

>>7931790
The people can have guns but that should be regulated to avert harm. The state is legitimized by the people and technically this is their wish. To live a safer life. Only if the state become corrupt the people have to get these rights back. But a state doesn't just get corrupted in a night. That is a slow process and those that want to fight it surely have enough time to buy some god damn guns on the internet before shit goes down.

>>7931843
That is the exact logic you are using, which is why I turned it on its head to showcase your mental deficiencies. Thank you for agreeing with me.

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>>7931843

>>7931839
And you were refering to the German laws and even an incident in Germany. I was never defending other country's systems and I also only meant to give Germany as an example as a good start for a proper system that can be improved.

>>7931550

the middle east has deep social issues going on that extend far past gun ownership, culture is a bigger cause of violence than weapons used in most cases... there's people being beheaded there for all kinds of shit regularly, and they're not using fucking guns to do it

sure an unarmed man might have a chance against a knife, but there's a lot more shit that's even less regulated that could be used... acting like that's not reality doesn't change it

it's not like there's strict laws in place keeping people from getting things like gasoline, lighters, brake fluid, chlorine etc, the idea that it's preventing anything is largely an illusion...

especially when it's a fact that most gun owners are not violent criminals, and if i'm not mistaken most gun violence happens with legal guns... so the control not only doesn't work, but statistically most people aren't violent criminals

strikes and peace can't achieve everything, the sad reality is that those things are only one side of a revolution... necessary, but they're not all that there is to one... violence is a reality, it does accomplish things, and that's been proven throughout history... it's easy to want to deny violence, of course it's preferable to not have to utilize it... of course peaceful means should be used first, but when that doesn't work then what?

giving up a necessary means of defense to a government completely and totally is giving up power that shouldn't be handed over... sure guns can be purchased illegally, sure people can get them anyway, but it makes it harder, and something like that shouldn't be made harder when it can be crucial for the benefit of the majority...

governments controlling the means people have of defending themselves can easily lead to more deaths than gun ownership does, and if you don't believe that take a look at how many civilians die in wars all the time cuz of governments fighting with each other while their citizens protest those wars in the street

>>7931850

you do realize that the government systems in place have largely been corrupt for years on end at this point right? of course it didn't happen overnight, but it was already in place yesterday...

>>7931859
>middle east
Surely that is some fucked up shit down there.
>other dangerous shit like explosives
They are a lot harder to use and require more knowledge. See Columbine where the gasoline bombs and I believe some of the pipe bombs did not go off. I think they didn't even harm or kill anybody. Also it is easier to find such things before they do harm than it is with guns that are quite simple "point the thing and hope".
>most gun violence happens with legal guns
I don't even get what you are trying to say. If most of it happens with legal guns than making them illegal should technically abolish the problem. Please make clear how one has to understand this argument.
>most people aren't criminals
Yet there will be more criminals with guns if they are legal than otherwise.
>if strikes fail then what?
I already answered that. If as you say criminals can get guns you can surely get them too when you want to fell the government. I mean after all felling the government isn't legal either so why bother with gun laws in that case. They are for times in which you don't need guns and therefor want to actually be safer not only feel that way. In fact former arguments that gun laws are to make you feel safer is to be turned around as they proovenly make you safer while everyone owning guns makes you feel safer while achieving the other.
>don't hand over this power
Yet when you drive on a motorway it is quite nice that people are not allowed to recklessly drive at 300kph while most car drivers are not reckless. See the similarities?
>more people die while protesting wars because of no guns
Please... what do you suggest kill the government, the organization that organizes the war to stop the war? Imagine this shit. "Russians killing Stalin to stop Hitler." "Bush shot for not listening to anti war protestors." "Trump shot for acting against ISIS."

>>7931877
Give some examples please. The thing that is most corrupt are the lobbyists.

Mtf bi, 20.

Far right in favor of meritocratic local governments retaining most decision power and tax revenue. Big multicultural societies don't work unless people either assimilate or can be independent from the cultures that they disagree with.
Policing language will be the downfall of our civilization, no one should be forced to be accommodating or polite to another person.
Also, legalize all self harming drugs and procedures. It's no one's place to tell another person that they can't kill themselves however they want.

>>7931858
>And you were refering to the German laws
>Illegal in much of Europe
>Germany
>Europe

>>7932103
I said the German system for gun control was a good start and gave Pepperspray or better Animal Defence Spray into it to provide a non-lethal mean of self defence against attackers. He said it wasn't legal in most of Europe. But as I was talking about Germany as an example anyways this argument was nonsense considering that Germany allowed a form of pepperspray. So I explained that.

>>7931944

my point is they're accessible, the learning curve doesn't change the availability... there are always ways for people to kill people

and again most people who own guns are not violent criminals, and most people in general aren't looking to go around shooting people... that's just reality...

what i'm saying by that is gun control laws largely affect the government having power over guns, but they don't prevent crime... banning guns however makes people less safe from their government...

yes there are problems with people owning guns, yes there are deaths that could be prevented... but there's a price to pay for everything, and it's just a matter of where you place your values... the loss of life is sad, i'm not making light of it, but i am saying when you step back and you look at the larger picture are their lives worth more than the rights of people to take a stand if necessary against powers that affect everyone on a large scale?

is preventing 50 deaths at the cost of everyone giving a government control of their means of protection from said government really the better option?

sure more criminals will have guns if they're legal, but so will plenty of people who aren't criminals and again my point stands that people like that are a very small percentage of the human population... and eliminating guns doesn't eliminate them...

technically, citizens having the right to own guns to form a well-regulated militia to protect a free state is perfectly legal... so take that how you will... it's impossible for people to properly learn how to use guns and be good with them on a larger scale if they're illegal, it's also harder to obtain them... and the chances of getting caught are significantly higher... so what your logic is essentially doing is giving a system of government (who already has an advantage) even more of one... and you think that's ok somehow cuz maybe x amount of people won't die?

>>7931849
>Gods choosen absolute monarchy.
>Monarch gets killed
>guess he wasn't as favored by the LORD as much as he though he was

>>7932173
I can understand that and I personally support people owning guns under regulations. These regulations are to allow the masses that are not criminal to own them. There is no point in giving guns to a former criminal or even a well known reoffender. My idea is that as long as the government is not corrupt which you can honestly say about most well working European countries at the moment it can properly allow the right people to own guns. Thus creating a safer enviroment while still giving those that are deserving their rights. In case the government becomes more corrupt there is still plenty of guns around the right people.

>>7931944

as far as i know shooting people without just cause is illegal, so there are laws in place that work to prevent shooting and to attempt to make people responsible gun owners... someone driving like that is the equivalent of a gun owner going out in the street and just shooting off rounds in any given direction... it's atypical for obvious reasons

no shit russians killing stalin wouldn't have stopped hitler, there's no logic to that at all... but the german people revolting before hitler had as much power as he did could have helped though... what i was saying is governments act against their citizens wishes and benefit frequently, and that they kill massive amounts of civilians, far more than a handful of unhinged gun owners...

if you can't look at the current state of the world and see all the things wrong here, and you can't see all of the issues there are within every government then a talk on 4chan isn't gonna help you... if you actually need a single example cuz you can't think of one on your own, something is wrong...

if you think that surrendering full power to a small group of people and laying down your ability to fight at their feet while advocating for them to strip that from everyone else too is a good idea that's on you... but when i look at the world i don't see the inherent good in giving more power to people who already have a huge amount of it... there's no balance that way, and there needs to be

Top right
Can't stand communist or people who say they are for gay people then want to allow people who are even worse to gays than Christians

>>7932247
Ah, alright I can see how this is not a good comparison.

Yet I don't see any western modern government frequently killing its citizens. Even other infrigments on their rights are not that severe that you'd have to shoot someone, subjectively of course.

Like I said the most corrupt thing is the blatant lobbyism. There is many good ideas in all directions in the American government as well as in the German government that are being stopped by lobbyists. A huge reason for gunownership beeing this free in America is simply the huge gun lobby forcing this 'freedom'. Actually banning people to use them would lessen this people's power on the government allowing those that actually want change for the greater good to work more effectively. Your whole argument is solely based on either the assumption that the government has to change to the worse making you require guns or that it is already terrible enough to use guns I feel.

Still this remains a personal subject as you have to decide which is more important. The ability to defend yourself from a possibly soon to be corrupt government or actually trying to make this state better by for example having laws to make the country safer.

>>7932221

i understand your point of view, but i disagree completely...

i don't think the idea of safety is worth the price of giving more power to those in charge... allowing a government to control the means people would need to fight against them is essentially saying "please control all of us completely"

corruption doesn't happen overnight, but it does happen without people noticing for a long time, and people are easily misled...

people, even ex criminals (especially non violent offenders), should have the means to do what is necessary when it's necessary... making it harder only stacks the deck against the masses

the fact that you're more scared of other people who are virtually powerless in the grand scheme of things than you are of people in control of fucking everything speaks volumes...

>>7932313
The whole assumption here is that I completely mistrust the state and the parties that I and fellow citizens vote for which I currently do not do to the extend that I need guns. I feel like here in Germany many politicians are dumbsacks but they are not trying to bring evil. Some of them want more surveilance which I completely distrust and some just want more moneyz for dem state. As I currently can get guns in Germany with proper training that I find reasonable and will once I saved some money I also don't feel that I am defenceless. I'd always rather have a precise bolt-action rifle than a submachine gun or the likes and a ban on automatic rifles is reasonable considering mass shootings that as you found out scare me more than the government which I legimate with my vote and still trust as to me it seems that everyone can change something in it. It would have to be a very good jewish trick to even have politician friends that fool me and in that case I hand it to (them) as they are obviously superior pulling of such a conspiracy.

>>7932286

you really think people aren't dying and suffering as a direct result of government policies?

banning people from owning guns wouldn't have that effect... you're literally making shit up there

my argument is based on the fact that throughout history people dismantling their government through revolution and putting a new one in place has been beneficial for society... my argument is based on the assumption that all systems of government inevitably fail or become corrupt because times change and governments and society can't keep up properly

it's naïve to think that taking away the little balance people can have is positive or beneficial in the long run...

to me you sound like those people who say shit like "so what if a government is watching everyone just don't do anything wrong"

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>>7932380
> implying if your lgbt you have to be a lefty

>>7932355

no my entire point is you shouldn't have absolute faith in the state, and people should be prepared in case the need arises where they can't have said faith... i'm not assuming anything other than it taking a naïve person to have that faith and gladly hand more power to those in charge

not trying to be evil doesn't prevent evil things from happening... dumb people fuck shit up for everyone even with good intentions

my views on voting would be a completely different subject so i'm not gonna touch that...

mass shootings are largely rooted in other societal issues rather than gun control, but i know, you're scared of those but not of the idea of giving more power to the government cuz you don't think you'll see the results of that mistake in your lifetime...

>>7932375
In Germany I really think no one is in great scale dying and seriously suffering of government policies as a direct risult. To be precise I think Germans in Germany aren't dying. There are cases in which judges and police lock people up without proper proof though this is rare and usually being followed by long cases to solve this shit out.

I am not making shit up. Gun death and crime death statistics in countries with strict gun control show that gun control works to make the country safer, not the revolution though.

That this government will one day fail I do not deny but right now it is better of with proper gun regulations. The advantage small guns give you over the highly trained and well armed is in my opinion not worth the death toll. And those small guns are still easy enough to get and once there is some serious shit going on I bet you it will be even easier to get guns to join the resistance. Explosives are the modern way anyways and those can be rather easily made by professionials of which both sides will likely have some.

I do not see this as a little balance but just more shit on a pile. You are not only arming the majority of friendly citizens but also the smaller groups (like in Germany the far right movement Reichsbürger) and this will once opinions are boiling lead to violence. I doubt that the violence will go against the state first as long as the state is moderate.

In fact I am part of the people that hate surveilance because this is what really gives the state too much power. Without anonymity you could not get the means to defend yoursels, you might not be able to find out about ongoing things or share them and you can be easily sorted out long before problems become obvious. This is the shit that guns will never safe you from and what we really have to watch.

>>7932407
I do not have absolute faith in the state but enough to allow them to limit my gun rights. I give power to those in charge that I (partly) brought in charge. I am of the opinion that here where I live democracy still works.

Actually I think there will be some major changes in my lifetime but I don't think they will be with the government first but with the more radical political opposition and for that gun restrictions are just fine. I am sure that once we need the means to defend ourselfes we will get them easy enough.

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>>7932375
>you really think people aren't dying and suffering as a direct result of government policies?
Just found this, not sure how accurate it is but shit man. 5.4 times more likely to be murdered. And don't start about niggers and spicks now.

>>7932466
Is that image factoring in race and gender?

>>7932418

i was talking about governments across the board not one specific government...

when i said you were making shit up i was directly talking about your idea that governments banning guns keeps people who want the greater good for society more effective...

when you focus on the "now" without looking at the bigger picture or the future when you're looking a government, society, and the world then you're not looking at what really matters... you're only looking at things from a selfish perspective... it doesn't say much for the future when people focus solely on the present

hating surveilance too doesn't prevent you from sounding like the people who condone it for "safety" reasons... when you condone something that gives the government an edge (and yes that includes gun control) over the people, that shifts the balance of power well past a fair degree (and let's be real here guns aren't even an equalizer they're just helpful) then you sound like people who feel the same way you do when it comes to doing the same in another way...

most things aren't black and white, but some things are... supporting any added weight to a government's power over its people when things are already in the government's favour is the same regardless of where someone lends that support

>>7932433

when you do that now you limit future generations... that's part of the issue but also yeah i'm coming from an american perspective

i think democracy is misguided in all honesty... well meaning, but popular opinion shouldn't be the determining factor in important decisions... it's a bizarre way to make choices, and not even necessarily a fair one... it's illogical to me that people think majority rule is a good idea

hoping that you have the means when you need the means isn't a logical way to go about things in my opinion... it's a lot like hoping prayer works

>>7932475
Dunno just saved it from some other thread. I guess not though.

>>7932476
I wouldn't trust all governments so I was only talking about the one I know best.

This wasn't to be taken serious but more a likely false conclusion. Take away the guns -> weaken the gun lobby -> make space for 'real' politicians.

To be honest I do not think more than 70 years into the future because I could simply not predict it. I'd guess that guns at that time are rather irrelevant and you have to fight a revolution otherwise anyways. So I'd rather keep things save for 'now' the next decades. This is not selfish considering that this keeps everyone living at the moment save.

Wasn't saying it does make me sound like one just wanted to clear this up. I don't get why you constantly see the government as an opponent you have to keep and edge over or w/e.

I'd guess this is just cultural heritage. Americans love their freedoms though to me they do not really seem to make the people freeer. While I am likely considered a left winger in Germany I still trust the current government and with it the state. This is how it has been for very long and something might never go away.

>>7932502
Yeah democracy is not perfect if you do not want to adjust to the mainstream and it will always deny some people their freedom. But with so many different opinions you can not make everyone happy. A good monarch would do better but than you also have the chance the next one sucks or that he starts to suck at some point.

Well I don't really hope to have the means I just speculate that I will. Think about it humans take so many risks. Going at 100kph almost straight at each other in metal constructions (what if he fails), drinking booze in abhorent amounts. You name it.

I've only seen FtMs in the green square. Why are there no full-on purple/blue square FtMs?

>>7932526

history will decide what actually keeps people safe i suppose...

you're mistaken about the way i see the government and its citizens... i see it as a very delicate balance of power that can only be truly effective and beneficial if the citizens who the government should be working for are able to keep themselves from being in a position where the government is given absolute, unchecked power that goes beyond a point where they could feasibly do anything about it... there doesn't need an enemy for the balance to exist, and the necessity of that balance exists with or without an enemy... shifts in that balance can easily create enemies, and that's why i feel the way i do...

you don't have to look at something as an enemy to see the necessity in balancing in it so it doesn't become one...

i don't think america is even kinda free, it isn't... freedom is largely an illusion at any rate if you want to be real about it, and true freedom only exists in your own head... there's no such thing as actual freedom within a government or a society

i don't see the right to own a gun as freedom, i see it as another part of a system of checks and balances to insure that the government works properly... it's the exact opposite of freedom as it can only lead to responsibility if the need for it arises...

it's not about people wanting to adjust to the mainstream or not... the problem with democracy is that it allows people who don't know what they're talking about and who are ill informed to make decisions that can potentially affect other people's lives, the environment, the world etc + again popular opinions aren't necessarily the logically sound...

and it's not about making everyone happy, of course you can't make everyone happy... it's about making the best, most informed decisions possible that benefit the most people... and that's different than popular opinion

monarchies have their own disadvantages as well sure... they all do

>>7932669
True that, true that...

Anyways I've been delaying my work long enough, fare well.

>>7932526

+ to use america as an example of the failings of democracy...

well there's no single standard of education for one thing, states have their own systems and they all fall into all different levels in addition to shit like things that should be basic fucking science not being taught to everyone properly due to religion... so that right there is a fucking huge problem in and of itself...

not to mention being informed about what you're voting on isn't even necessary... you just need to be registered, and you need to be of age... you can literally know fuckall and cast a vote based on your religious beliefs instead of say science for example...

even if the majority of people were happy with those idiotic decisions shit like that can create, that doesn't mean they should've had a say in the first place and that doesn't mean society actually benefits either...

>>7932705

later, nice talking to you... interesting to hear your point of view, especially cuz you're not american

>>7932715
0/10
Bad shitpost man

>>7930792
When coercion is involved utility is not maximized. When property rights are not respected, there is less reason to do things that would give you property in a capitalist society, namely provide goods and services.

TL;DR: If we respect each other and each others' stuff we have a good time.

>>7926444
voted for Trump, hate niggers, arabs, mexicans, jews, love guns, proud supporter of helicopter rides for Marxists
t. cis gay guy

>>7927275
>1776
>not 1789

otherwise perfect

Bi dude
My political views can be summed up pretty easily and you can guess where I land based on this.
"Leave me the fuck alone. I want nothing to do with ideas of Utopia."

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>>7926444
Bi MtF. Though this puts me more left than I actually am since there are no questions about immigration and assimilation that would push me further right. I'd still be overall libertarian, I think.

>>7933565
That would just put you in the mid lower red

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There are two types of people in this country, libertarians and non-Americans. Leftists and fascists GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY REPUBLIC REEEEEEE!

>>7933475
Nah, that would be green quarter.

>>7933476
i don't see pretentious snob anywhere on the chart tho

Left-libertarian liberal.

To put it very simply, I am progressive on economic issues, and libertarian on social issues (I disagree with many liberals on hate speech laws and gun control).

Bi (prefer women) MtF

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I am a palaeolibertarian neoreactionary bisexual.

>>7929636
What did he mean by this

>>7935495
That calling anyone a drain on society is hypocritical when you want society to be a giant sinkhole.

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>>7932220
Jesus got killed too you know

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>>7926444

>>7933471
>t. I don't like to think and base my political views on muh feels

ftfy

>>7935574
>schools, hospitals, roads, clean energy
>sinkhole

Conservatives, everybody!

>>7933471
so you're basically a republican except you don't hate gays

>>7936654
Because he is one. But he's probably mathc as fuck and hates all the degenerate flamers xD roflmaocopter

>>7936653
Clean energy is a sinkhole because people shit themselves at the mere mention of nuclear power despite it being one of the safest forms of energy. Because of this we get stuck with a bunch of inneffiecient bullshit like wind and solar which the government needs to subsidize the hell out of.

>>7936653
Not an argument.

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>>7926444
>political persuasions

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lol

>>7929975
green is "it's okay if they're a minority"

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Gay male Marxist-Leninist

>>7937548
"or a woman"