Convince me that trannies are really their perceived genders

Electrical impulses from the brain. That's how they perceive themselves and the world around them.

>>7859361
>perception determines gender

wewlad.jpg

>>7859354
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083947

>>7859373
OP said don't use the words "feelings" or "identify". I bet you can't come up with a better retort.

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>>7859354
Reminder to everyone the >>7859354 has repeatedly boasted about being responsible for all the pedophile threads around.

He boasted about spamming the board with pedophile propaganda and then dodging bans.

This kid fucking freak is single handedly responsible for all the Cp and pedo content of the last year, don't talk to him and encourage more spam.

Sage and report stop the lgbp shitposter, don't encourage him with talk!

>>7859401
I never posted any of those?

wtf?

I'm not even on my tripfag name

>>7859411
Ignore him.

He does this to anyone who posts an anti-tranny thread.

He thinks that image hashes are unique to everyone

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>>7859420
Bullshit, he admitted to postsing pedophila and even was proud of it in http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7827682/#7827682 the file Id confirms it.

And you've been shilling pedophila yourself since that thread where that freak was posting sexualized kid images and talking about Judges and stuff.
>>7859411
>>7859354
Lying pedofreak. That's exactly the last thing you said when you poste this exact same ban evading thread. You claimed to be another person till nobody bought your bullshit, then you just gave a you'll never catch me spiel.

Remember not to talk to the Lgbp shitposter, just report him and his accomplice.

>>7859469

>having this much free time

Do your parents pay for your schizophrenia pills?

>>7859481
Hilarious considering how you're here nonstop and circumventing bans all the time for your pedo threads.

If you're that pissed about people throwing your own words in your face, then maybe you shouldn't have boasted.

>>7859511
The last time I got a ban on this website was over 3 years ago

Are you your body, or your brain? If your brain, with all your thoughts and personality traits, was put into someone else, would you just assume the personhood of the new body, or would you still consider you to be you?

Of course you would still be yourself, and while physical sex is a biological thing, gender is in the brain. You are your brain. You have a body.

>>7859553
The brain is an organ of the body.


You have a brain.

>>7859354
>feelings aren't important
Most fedora opinion imaginable

>>7859594
>valuing feelings over the scientific method

This is what SJW special snowflake pandering does to people.

Let me guess you also think Black people are being oppressed by the police?

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>>7859511
not that guy so don't jump down my throat but when you reply to threads by known shitposters you are just bumping their thread and giving them the recognition they crave.
wouldn't it be better just to ignore such threads and let them sink into oblivion?
i've seen you on here for months ranting at percieved pedo posters with the hate of a thousand suns and all for what?

rule 14. do not argue with trolls. it means that they win.

pic related

>>7859612
Rule 19. The more you hate it, the stronger it gets.

>>7859401
BASED reminderposter keeping pedos OUT

>>7859626

Not OP here but I have seen him do it to many other anons.

You don't honestly believe his bullshit do you?

So are trannies real or just crazy people like the transabled and furry crew?

>>7859354
Trans people have brains that more closely align with their target genders than with their birth sex.

because you will only ever interact with them in a social or otherwise informal setting.
if you dont get that, you might be on the spectrum.

>>7859635
the OPs inevitably backpedal, damage control, and then get banned and their threads deleted
without fail

>>7859667
I get what your saying

Like in a social setting I'll call a MtF a female and use female pronouns.

But a MtF is still biologically a man

>>7859354
How do you define a gender?

>>7859411
Uh, the person in those threads didn't use a tripcode/name, they posted the same image as you with a very similar question, denied it at first but later admitted to spamming the same thread over and over again and also posting LGBP spam. You're either them, or an imitator.

>>7859420
You the exact same thing last time and got called out on your bullshit.

>>7859606
There's actual evidence that black people are oppressed by the policy though.

>>7859678
Biological men don't grow tits.

Yes I know I'm built male, but hormones change that to make me a biological mix.

>>7859710
*police

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>>7859678
All the prestigious academic circles proved you wrong last time. You then threw a tantrum and claimed that Nature, JOP and every biomedical journal was lying BC they offended you.
How sad, no wonder you flunked out.

>>7859710
>spammer backs BLM

>>7859714
Biological men taking estrogen grow tits

>>7859710

He accused him of posting CP snuff because of an image hash

He has been doing this for months to countless other anons.

Don't enable him

>>7859714
Humans also don't have huge teeth or grow excessive amounts of hair but some people who wanted to look like tigres got operations and hormones to do the same thing
Does that make them a mix of human and tigre?

>>7859626
The reminderposter is a triggered tranny who derails every thread she doesn't like. Calling your opponent a pedo is apparently the best way to win an argument.

>>7859727

http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7593211/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7614131/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7663315/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7672093/#7672172
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7688503/#7689006
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7745762/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7746129/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7809640/#7810395

Please pedo shill, the mods have banned dozens of the other pedofreak a who you came with on their raids.

Your denial is pathetic and the archive proves it

>>7859726
I don't agree with everything BLM does, though I do consider them to have a legitimate grievance. And pretty ironic of you to call me a spammer when this is at least the fourth time OP has created this thread in the last two weeks.

>>7859727
OP admitted in another thread to posting the LGBP threads "as a joke". Accusing him of CP snuff is an exaggeration, but if you go around "ironically" advocating pedophilia, you don't have a right to complain when people don't want you around them anymore.

>>7859731
If someone had gene therapy to grow tiger hair then yes obviously.

>>7859731
You mentally ill armchair doctors think you're hot shit. Instead you're just embarrassing yourself.
http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
>Battle of the sexes
>According to some scientists, that balance can shift long after development is over. Studies in mice suggest that the gonad teeters between being male and female throughout life, its identity requiring constant maintenance. In 2009, researchers reported deactivating an ovarian gene called Foxl2 in adult female mice; they found that the granulosa cells that support the development of eggs transformed into Sertoli cells, which support sperm development. Two years later, a separate team showed the opposite: that inactivating a gene called Dmrt1 could turn adult testicular cells into ovarian ones. “That was the big shock, the fact that it was going on post-natally,” says Vincent Harley, a geneticist who studies gonad development at the MIMR-PHI Institute for Medical Research in Melbourne.

>>7859742
I never posted any of those threads.

I keep saying that

Holy fuck

>>7859757
Then it's a "coincidence" that you have the same image and thread topic as the OP's of those thread?

>Is there any scientific evidence of gender being separated from sex?

Nothing that is not based in plausibilities.

But by all means, cherry pick an answer from here that agrees with you like a true conformation bias.

>>7859757
Just ignore him. He can't be reasoned with. He just spams his shit in any thread he doesn't like and to anyone who pays him any attention. Ignore him and reply only to genuine posters.

>>7859354
This whole question is fucking vague and meaningless. It all comes down to the definition of a woman you choose to view it through. If you define a woman as someone who's biologically female and able to conceive children – trannies are men lmao haha XD. But if you define a woman as a person with certain personality traits attributed mostly to biological females – trans women are indeed women. There probably is a lot of other definitions you can think of.

>>7859785
But the archives are full of your raids getting shut down and your shilling for soammers and criminals who got purged from the site.
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7593211/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7614131/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7663315/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7672093/#7672172
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7688503/#7689006
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7745762/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7746129/
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7809640/#7810395
Why so offended a couple of Pedos got shut down?

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>>7859749
>BLM
>I do consider them to have a legitimate grievance.

Which are?

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>>7859757
>>7859354
You repeatedly boasted about posting pedophilia then backed away and said you pedopost as a joke.

>>7859785
Just how much of a kiddy didler do you have to be to defend someone who brags about bombarding 4chan with pedoshit

>>7859817
Adjust it to be per victim's race as well as per murderer's race.

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>>7859354
If you are really interested, there has been work done in the area of brain development that implies that female brains are different structurally than mens brains and that the differences are due to changes in hormonal levels in the mother in utero.
work with sheep has shown that ewes exposed to male hormones at very specific times while still in their mother's womb will eventually mature to have female sexual organs but male behaviors (mounting other females) while in rut during mating season.
this implies that brain development is different than genital development and that sexual behaviors (if not sexual identity) is dependent on a string of hormonal events during gestation.

>>7859822
I admitted to posting a TROLL thread about replacing pedos with trannies

That is hardly the same as "posting pedophilia"

>>7859825
That wouldn't change anything?

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gender is kek
fuck OP

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>>7859354
>>7859731
>>7859678
Tigers and humans aren't genetically the same. But the genes controlling human sex are something both men and women have and how much FoxL2 and DMRT1 get expressed is what controls sex and it is unstable. The sex genes are identical and it's just which switch gets flipped on. Nice job failing genetics
http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943


And you forgot science proved that hormones controll most sex traits right down to the sub cellular.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3922316/

You flunked out of school so the least you can do is cite medical sources, not insane delusions you makeup.

>>7859842
>>7859354
You admitted to posting many pedo threads and now you're backing away and saying it's just one.

Too bad the archives have your boasts about the pedoshit.

Just about all the pedo spam we've gotten this year is your doing.

>>7859881
Males and females also aren't genetically the same. While females and males differ by one chromosome, the difference between a tiger and a man is just bigger. But the difference between a human and a herring is even bigger… so by this logic a person who wants to be a tiger is more reasonable than a person who wants to be a herring?

>>7859913

http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
>Battle of the sexes
>According to some scientists, that balance can shift long after development is over. Studies in mice suggest that the gonad teeters between being male and female throughout life, its identity requiring constant maintenance. In 2009, researchers reported deactivating an ovarian gene called Foxl2 in adult female mice; they found that the granulosa cells that support the development of eggs transformed into Sertoli cells, which support sperm development. Two years later, a separate team showed the opposite: that inactivating a gene called Dmrt1 could turn adult testicular cells into ovarian ones. “That was the big shock, the fact that it was going on post-natally,” says Vincent Harley, a geneticist who studies gonad development at the MIMR-PHI Institute for Medical Research in Melbourne.

>>7859913
Except females deactivate 95% of one of their x BC lionization and the Y is a homologue of those few active dose dependent genes on lionized x. It's identical genetically.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18348162/

Also chromosomes don't determine sex and you can have biological males with xx so long as Dmrt is on.

Pretty pathetic, all the sources prove you wrong but you cry and call them fake and invent new delusions. No wonder you flunked out in such a pathetic way.

>>7859913
People are born biologically male or female regardless of sex chromosome status. Xx males with good dicks are a fact.

>>7859973
Okay, that makes sense, thanks ._.

>>7859991
ahahahahaha
the trolls are getting smarter!

>>7859991
I'm not the person you were talking to before. I'm actually a tranny myself and I was just curious how you'd response to that. Overall, I think the view that transgender people 'want to become the other sex' is harmful, untrue and misguiding and I was wondering how someone can advocate that view and still be accepting towards transgender people. You should've just said 'it's not like trannies want to become women' and not pointlessly (or well… it turned out that not that pointlessly after all) argue with someone comparing transgender people with people wanting to become tigers.
In my opinion, whether trannies are women is just a dilemma that simply comes down to the definition of gender you consider.

>>7859973
>humans are mice

>>7860079
Humans are still mammals and supraprimates, just like mice and they don't differ from mice in such basic aspects as the way their gonads work. Scientists use mice in experiments for a reason… experimenting on humans would simply be unethical, while doing it on mice (which is slightly less unethical to most people?) would give the same results.

>>7859750
Gene therapy as a whole can't affect an individual's genome, only certain cells
Also it isn't used for sexual transitions

>>7859756
Are you retarded?
It's already well established that there can be hormonal presence of either gender in both but the definition of gender doesn't rely on the hormones that define the gonads
As well the fact that it happens post-natally in mice (and to what extent) hasn't been proven as a general phenomenon as far as I know and there's no reason to treat it as such
>hurr look at me posting already known biological facts unrelated to having a dick chopped off

>>7859881
Same goes for you
Just because there are abnormalities doesn't mean the general rule isn't XY and XX
Sure there can be mutations in the SRY gene that can occasionally cross over, but these are abnormalities which don't fit in the definition, they don't actually challenge the definition itself

>>7860105
Also to say that since a phenomenon happens in mice it must also happen in humans is absolutely false, it needs to be scientifically established first

>>7860126
Hm… sounds rational. However he was just trying to argue that females and males aren't actually that different as most people think, which i think he managed to do rather well.

>>7860126
It's been scientifically established as applying to all humans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18348162/. All vertebrates actually as Nature said

Why do you want us to discard all the scientific facts just because all those mean peer reviewed journals triggerd you?

I'm trusting the scientific sources, not some dropout who claimed every source is fake because it proved him wrong.

>>7859973
This is pretty much off-topic though?
It doesn't address wether the mice then lived as females typically do in mice society, which is what gender is.

This is just nice research into the fact that our bodies are a constantly changing swirl of hormones and other chemicals, and an imbalance can cause insane things to go "wrong", which I am pretty sure everyone knew?

>>7860380
>>7860126
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3922316/
It means that in humans and mice the chromosomes don't controll sex. It's genetic switches that go on or off and if they do, you get male with testis no mater if you're XX.

And also, transition involves hormones and other things that are critical for cellular sex and phenotype.

But go ahead, keep insisting every fact you don't like is fake.

>>7860380
>Get BTFO when claiming muh chromosomes
>I-it's off-topic!
Bwahaha

>>7860440
>>7860453
But it doesn't prove anything we didn't already know?

>>7859817
That they're disproportionately subject to police brutality. Your image basically "misses the point" with regards to what I see as BLM's main issue - it's not that "whites are killing blacks", it's that blacks are disproportionately subjected to unnecessary police brutality. It's not about "blaming whites", BLM considers unnecessary brutality bad whether it's done by white police or black police. Having better representation among the police force in black communities is obviously an important step, but being black doesn't mean one is immune to having anti-black attitudes.

If you really want to "refute" BLM, you should look for statistics that say that blacks are NOT more likely to be subjected to unnecessary police brutality than other races, whites in particular.

>>7860362
>>7860440
Humans reproduce sexually, meaning there need to be 2 genders, male and female
The definition of male is the one who is designed to plant his seed, and the female is to accept the seed
Finding an exception to the rule does not discredit the rule itself
Would you say the existence of downies challenges our view on how many chromosomes humans have?

>>7860609
They face more brutality because cops have the experience to know that they will need to be on edge more around blacks (in this situation when I say black I mean street blacks) than whites.

>>7859842
You really can't blame people for taking it that way. Pedophilia is an uncomfortable subject and there's a long history of them trying to force their way into LGBT to give themselves some legitimacy.

>>7859913
>so by this logic a person who wants to be a tiger is more reasonable than a person who wants to be a herring?
But that's true though. Humans and tigers are both mammals, herrings are not. It would take a lot less work to turn a human into a tiger than to turn a human into a herring (though both are obviously far from plausible at this point).

>>7860362
>>7860440
No one has said any of this is fake
You've just been deluding yourselves into thinking it's actually meaningful, but like >>7860508 said we've known all of this for quite a while now yet still no one challenges the fact that the standard is XX and XY
I wonder why?

>>7860622
And that's exactly the attitude that BLM is criticizing.

>>7860653
>blacks are more dangerous for police to interact with than whites
>police have to step up their guard because of this fact
>blacks who point toy guns at police get shot
>blacks who are reaching for the gun in their pocket gets shot
>blacks freak out

???

>>7860664
Blacks actually get shot disproportionately LITTLE considering their rates of violence and crimes. End the police bias against innocent whites.

>>7860669
But we're not talking about the total population proportion. We're saying blacks are individually treated worse than a white person who has committed the same crimes.

>>7860669

They get shot less because police are more likely to restrain them before that becomes an issue.

>>7860694
>We're saying blacks are individually treated worse than a white person who has committed the same crimes.

The reason for that is because police are more likely to get into a dangerous confrontation with a black person who as committed the same crime as a white person

>>7859354
You can't either way, because they're not. They just identify as that because it helps them cope.

>>7860709
... why?

Gender is a government designation that you can have legally changed, that's the best I can do.

>>7860709
And it's that impression that BLM wants to reverse.

>>7860743
>>7860769

He's not talking about blacks he's talking about black gangsters

>>7859361
I see red as blue
I'm right and everyone else is wrong

>>7860870
Colorblindness is a real thing, not a joke you know.

>>7860870
Your statement is so illogical
The colour you perceive on a tomato is red, because that's what we call it
In fact you can't know what other people see on the tomato, maybe what you see as your blue is their red, but the names of these colours correspond to whatever they're associated with

I think you're confusing it with colourblindness

>>7860621

>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/path.2335/abstract
http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
>the granulosa cells that support the development of eggs transformed into Sertoli cells, which support sperm development. Two years later, a separate team showed the opposite: that inactivating a gene called Dmrt1 could turn adult testicular cells into ovarian ones.
Except the studies conclusively proved that in any vertebrate, chromosomes don't controll gonad sex or gamete production

And MTFs can't produce sperm if they transitioned.
>>7860638
Except hospitals stoped using chromosomes for sex determination decades ago.
People test the shit from http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/path.2335/abstract for sex determination.

So really, you went and ignored all of the medical references and cited stuff from your ged bio, sad!

>>7860962
But we knew that already.

Males give seed
Females take seed

This isn't hard

>>7860962
>the studies conclusively proved that in any vertebrate, chromosomes don't control gonad sex or gamete production
You're just twisting the truth here
If the chromosomes don't control it, then how are the proteins required synthesised?
Everything in the body either comes from outside the organism or is produced by cells. Cells need genetic information to synthesise proteins otherwise nothing can work, so at the base of things chromosomes control almost every single biological aspect of the individual
You have no understanding of the nuance of the things you're talking about

Tell me, if it isn't the chromosomes that determine it, then what does? Luck? The position of the moon?
Because neither of your articles have proven this, nor even stated to do so.

>>7859354
Are you retarded? Of course they are not.

But right now you're doing the equivalent to mocking a cancer patient for having no hair.

Don't like the treatment they're currently going through? Feel free to suggest another treatment* to replace it with and everyone will be happy.

* - It has to at least have the same degrees of success as the current transition treatments (which is a very low bar, let's be honest, there's just nothing else to work with).

>>7861098
If you actually read this thread and the rest of the board you would see anons claiming that trans women are really women and that biological sex is also a meaningless social construct

>>7861013
And trans can't do either so they're neither m or f technically
>>7861023
>If the chromosomes don't control it, then how are the proteins required synthesised?
From genes, ones that are universal to all humans. You'd know if you'd read you dolt.

Biology doesn't like doing things twice and it wouldn't like having to invent alien developmental genes for male or female when you can use the same for both and just switch on to one
>chromosomes that determine it, then what does
Dmrt1 or Foxl2 getting expressed more. The winner picks sex.

If you had read the very good and very prestigious authorities that wrote those reviews you'd know.

>>7861193
No, they just made a mockery of your chromosome argument and you whined and cried about how every scientific study lied.

Biological sex is sperm or egg production plus secondary sex traits.

Trans can't produce sperm or egg so you can't fit them into male or female by the biological definition.

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>>7861210
>Trans can't produce sperm or egg

They can until they castrate themselves

>>7861246
They can't from the point of taking cyproterone/hrt

Isn't that reverse able?

>>7861325
Not really, that's why some femboys take specialized new drugs that doesn't wreck their dicks.

>>7861203
>>If the chromosomes don't control it, then how are the proteins required synthesised?
>From genes, ones that are universal to all humans. You'd know if you'd read you dolt.
And where are these genes located you fucking moron? On the chromosomes jesus fucking christ
what is your problem

>>chromosomes that determine it, then what does
>Dmrt1 or Foxl2 getting expressed more. The winner picks sex.
Guess what determines the expression? Genes. Where are these genes located? On the fucking chromosomes.
So how on earth do chromosomes not determine gender


You're such a fucking idiot your own logic isn't even consistent

>>7861302
The act of castrating someone doesn't mean you're transforming their gender

>>7861470
>On the fucking chromosomes.
On a varitey of autosomal chromosomes. Not your X and Y chromosomes.

And chromosomes are just condensed chromatin protein holding some DNA. They don't exist for 99% of the cell cycle because you can't even express genes and turn them into proteins while the DNA is trapped.

So you were given a clear mechanism, but you threw a tantrum again bc it wasn't as simple as your sex chromosome idea
>So how on earth do chromosomes not determine gender
Because unless you're autoaborted, all humans have those same genes and those same chromosomes.

>>7861604
I'll requote
>the studies conclusively proves that in any vertebrate, chromosomes don't control gonad sex or gamete production

Do you understand this is a flat-out lie

>>7861612
It's not a flat out lie since chromosomes aren't genes, they're just condensed protein packaging DNA.


And all humans have these chromosomes/genes so how can something that's the same for all controll?

>>7861669
>chromosomes aren't genes, they're just condensed protein packaging DNA.

wew

>so how can something that's the same for all controll?

wew

>>7861669
I'll have to help you since formal logic doesn't seem to be your strong point

If all A is in B, and C is determined by presence of A, then C is also determined by presence of B

A: genes
B: chromosome
C: sexual expression

To say that sexual expression isn't determined by chromosomes yet it's determined by genes is logically incoherent

>>7861691
>>7861694
Do you realize how you backed away from XY to just claiming that since chromosomes hold DNA it's chromosomes. They don't exist when DNA is being expressed BTW, it's just chromatin spagheti and DNA then.

>A, then C is also determined by presence of B
When everyone has the same required stuff in B and could potentially be born a man or woman depending on how C goes

>>7861722
>sexual expression determines sex

wew

>>7861722
>they don't exist when DNA is being expressed
wrong
http://cyberbridge.mcb.harvard.edu/mitosis_4.html

>everyone has the same required stuff in B
proof?

>>7860829
And how does one tell the difference?

>>7861768
Black gangsters tend not to dress like normal people

Regardless you can't and therefore you need to treat most blacks the same

You either annoy an innocent black man or you risk getting shot

>>7861748
>mitosis
Exactly, you don't have transcription during mitosis with the exception of a tiny number of things needed for division.

Foxl2, Dmrt1 and their pathways are in autosomes. The testosterone receptor in X is the only other thing you need and women have that too.

>>7861813
For someone accusing others of not reading articles you're not very good at following your own maxim

Also the development of the gonades is determined by the SRY gene found in the Y chromosome, or do you think it's just coincidence that most people with penises have XY and most vaginas are XX?

>>7861897
>SRY
It isn't necessary and isn't sufficient. So long as you get testosterone you can get male and even without testosterone, so long as Dmrt1 wins, you get male.

Mess with any of those or just have Dmrt1 lose out and and you get female.

The only things that ultimately matter is an androgen receptor and the genetic switches. You could have whatever SRY status and it wouldn't matter.

>>7861950
Yes and you could also get a random mutation that causes you to grow two penises and no balls

The fact of the matter is these are called anomalies for a reason, they don't define the norm

As a general rule, it is the SRY gene that determines one's gender and apart from a few fringe examples this is a general fact

Stop pointing to these anomalies as though they disprove the fact that sexual genes determine gender as a general rule

They're not, but they get all suicidal for some reason when they don't have makeup and tit pills so why not give it to them?

>>7862630
I don't have a problem with giving it to them.

I just want them to admit they are really men

It rustles my jimmies when they try to lie about it

>>7859373
Well, yes. That's quite literally what gender IS, a perception of yourself based on brain wiring. If all goes well, it's supposed to be inline with your sex. If it's not, you're trans.

Jesus christ people, this isn't fucking hard.

>>7863245
>this isn't fucking hard
it isn't hard but it's wrong

gender can't both be a social construct and a perception of yourself

>>7859354
Convince me that they're not without using the words "mentally ill", "insane" or "degenerate".

>>7863659
man=benis
woman=bagina
:DDD

>>7863626
>gender can't both be a social construct and a perception of yourself
why not?

>>7863626
Oh, you poor thing. Let me clarify for you:

IT'S NOT A FUCKING SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

Go back to Tumblr, faggot.

>>7861991
It's not a fringe example since SRY isn't anywhere near the genes controlling sea and all it does is ask for hormones. Development can and does happen all the time without it and the only thing that matters is which of the autosomes wins.

It's irrelevant, even with adult mamals and that's why even in those cases if the switches flip you get the opposite. All SRY -which you can find in either chromosome- does is make it more likely you get one of the two outcomes in fox but it doesn't make anything certain

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>>7862646
>>7859354

That's cute, the crazy highschool dropout was given sources BTFOing his arguments, he throws a tantrum cans claims that all the academic circles lie.

Then pulls out stuff from his imagination. You're a riot.

The only rule of thumb for male was sperm production, mtfs who transition are fundamentally incapable of it. So basic biology says we can't call an animal that can't make sperm and has female secondary traits male.

But please, go on claiming you know more than Nature journal, it's one of tr most insane delusions around.

And no, people will cite biological rules not bend reality for your little delusions and feefees

>>7862646
>It rustles my jimmies when they try to lie about it
Why? It's bad to tell a lie you want to hear just so you stop your autistic crying.

>>7861991
You subhuman, if you'd read those papers it'd have told you that you get male or female regardless of SRY, even in completely healthy people and it can even flip later on in heathy mamals.

Your little thing was irelevant and couldn't determine shit.

>>7859354
Simple, I got all the programming a female gets for gender related biology, but a male body.

>>7865269
Manbody acting like a caricature of a woman is called being a hon. Thank god the new bathroom laws will chase you hon monsters back into the gutters!

>>7865269
You mean you were raised as a girl despite being a boy? How did that happen?

>>7865269
No you have a mental illness

>>7865360
>>7865370
>>7865392
three assumptions that are totally wrong.

>>7865512
>science is wrong because of "muh feelings"

>>7865523
To be fair, you never went to school over it and your idea of science is claiming that every reference that proves you wrong lies.

That said, the people who are burly hairy manly men and claim that acting like a girl or dressing like one makes them a girl are perverts.

Anyone legit modifies their body nonstop.

>>7865648
Modding a corvette into a truck doesn't mean you don't still have a corvette under the truck

>>7865654
It's obviously not a corvette then. You've built a truck.

>>7865658

/an/ would disagree with you

>>7869041
Quit bumping your own thread pedo. You already made a fool of yourself, getting proved wrong by every academic source.

>>7859354
convince yourself asshole

>>7869618
>pedo

You keep using that word but you never provide proof other than posting some of my troll threads

>>7871902
What are you talking about, he doesn't need to provide proof, you did that yourself by shitposting a dank meme.

>>7871908
>What are you talking about, he doesn't need to provide proof, you did that yourself by shitposting a dank meme


Shit posting on 4chan is proof of posting CP snuff?

>>7860954
Can't colorblind a dick away.

>>7859606
>having a body with masculine traits makes me depressed and anxious
>having a body with feminine traits makes me happy and content

Conversely, cis and trans men would feel the opposite way.

What more do you need?

>>7860126
>Gene therapy as a whole can't affect an individual's genome, only certain cells
Also it isn't used for sexual transitions

Hormone therapy (for MtFs) literally tells certain cells to do what they would do in a female human, though. It's a lot closer to gene therapy that surgical dental operations or hair transplants. Your body already possesses the genetic information to make a girl, it does not possess the genetic information to make a tiger. If you gave a tiger hormone pills it wouldn't grow breasts or softer skin.

Just like cis women, mtfs feel most comfertable and secure while expressing female gendernorms. For all intents and purposes they share the same gender. Vice versa is true for ftms and cis men.

The difference is their biological sex.

>>7872723
Technically thats not true. Most mammals have pretty similar sex hormones because we share our evolutionary past. Before modern estrogen, estrogen was created from pregnant mares urin (aka premarin).

>>7872738
My point is that breasts and soft skin are human sex characteristics, not tiger.

>>7859354
>Convince me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmNzYGM5_JQ

>>7863626

Nobody who knows anything about the subject believes that gender is a social construct. Gender roles are, but they != gender.

>>7863673

That's just making the claim, not actually convincing anyone.

>>7872758

>'JQ' in url

no they have a mental illness but its polite to pretend that they dont

>>7863673
sex=/=gender