/mtfg/ Being a girl is hard work edition

*snugg*

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this just in

U smell

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>>7794476
Nothing new
>>7794484
>tfw binding and hair short as fuck
>Muslim hairdresser still puts me in the closed off female section
RIP

someone hug me :(

>>7794515
*HUGS*

>>7794515
hugg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2luXd8Zzjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw-NnrnAZvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7xsFCzvxw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1Q1vDRVSDw&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57WlGNXu2LA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uTCI-XQuqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjXqEmaWNbU

There NEEDS to be an animated Hamilton movie!

>>7794510
post pic of short hair

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i went to a concert tonight and on the way back i got a lot of stares...not sure if they were clocking or what but it's bugging me

i walk okay and i'm 5'5 but do i just not pass right now? or is it the shit hair

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>>7794519
>>7794520
I can always count on 4chan to give me hugs when I feel alone

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>>7794525
Here's a list of old pics
Not posting current pics cuz stealth lyfe

>>7794526
ask yourself this, do i use the girls or boys restroom?

>>7794531
implying you look like last pic
i love ya babe, but let's get real

>>7794539
Are you implying last pic isn't me ? O_o

>>7794531
post a current pic

>>7794539

girls

i think i pass most of the time. i haven't gotten misgendered in two months but i live in seattle so idk if that's just because people are being nice

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goodnight

>>7794548
tucc

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hello everyone
are you doing okay this evening/afternoon/morning

>>7794544
No already said no

>>7794557
i've been so bored and apathetic
just a pretty 'meh' mood
too defeated to care about dysphoria

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How do I enjoy weed like I used too? Post transition weed gives me mad anxiety :( makes me feel like my life's a bigger joke than what it already is.

5 years HRT fully transitioned but weed still turns up the dysphoria

I'm an idiot for buying it every now and then

>being a girl is hard work
Except the part where you can skip showers and not smell like death

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I've realized that by putting my ugly mug through 2 different apps I can finally arrive at something I don't totally hate.

>>7794557
i feel depressed about being depressed
my phone is almost dead

>>7794566
>tfw you always smell like smoke so it doesn't matter anyway

>>7794563
hug
i found out i have to wear glasses
not just a little
full time
i've never worn glasses
im going to be a nerd oh god

>>7794566
hugg elann

>>7794563
dear diary,
mood: apathetic

>>7794531
>went to prom in a dress pre-hrt
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>7794572
maybe you should do more stuff with people

>>7794576
there are plenty of cute glasses frames put there

>>7794582
Why not ?

What is cyba's kik ?

>>7794584
i'm waiting on someone as i type this but still..

>>7794586
I'm 6 months into HRT and still look like a hideous manbeast

*vapes estrogen*

>>7794591
So ?
Stop giving a shit bout passing
Makes life easier tbqh

>>7794566
And free beer
Delicious free beer

>>7794590
then you have something to look forward to right? also I mean do more stuff with people in general. I can't really enjoy time alone anymore (at least not sober).

>>7794600
>tfw i've only hung out with people 5 times in the past year, and once i got really upset at friends for coming to my house

>>7794593
I wish I could, not strong enough to do that though. I spent prom at home because I had no friends lol

>>7794573
Consider smoking less

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>>7794487
I only detrans on a social level

>>7794607
Idk I didn't have many friends either
And ofc you are strong enough you jst don't know it yet

>>7794605
what do you do then all the time? meeting lots of people is not for everyone helped me tho

>>7794616
just stuff alone instead of with other people
it's a complicated situation, i hate human interaction but feel lonely
i was gonna go to a psych to see if i have some sort of personality disorder

>>7794611
I smoke like 1-5 cigs a week but everyone around me smokes alot so everything smells like smoke. my parents smoke indoors all the time.

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>>7794605
>tfw i've only hung out with people 0 times in the past year and friends have never come to my house

>>7794624
OK, that makes sense
Also that sounds unpleasant, smoking indoors is gross

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Bored anyone wants to fill me in on the past few months
What did I miss ?
Kayla still normal ?
Sheen doing better ?
Führer doing good ?

>>7794623
maybe you didn't find the right people yet? if you actually don't like any human interaction and still feel lonely yeah visiting a psych is a good idea.
I was lonely for years because I didn't knew alot of people that I actually like spending time with.

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Stop right there son

>>7794633
The usual. We broke a few repressors. Put em on estrogen

>>7794633
A beta male neet became mtfg's biggest poster

>>7794636
Ayyy
More pls
Lost most of my old pics
>>7794637
Lmao
Who ?
>>7794638
Wait so I am not on top of post count anymore ?
:(

>>7794638
which one

>>7794638
I'm a beta male neet

>>7794637
Really?
Only girl I can think of was Spartan, but that was just liz trolling.

>>7794638
he successfully manipulated new trips into thinking he's a niceguy. doubt it'll last long though.

>>7794638
Technically that's always been the case.

>>7794645
Bjorgfist is now Anna and she's qt

>>7794643
I'm sure you can guess, he's basically here all day

>>7794644
Out

>>7794642
Nope, sorry
Bet that's a good feel

>>7794645
>>7794642

Anna and Amy

>>7794651
Not good at all :(

>>7794651
>Out
:(

What if I pretend to be a girl?
I pretend to myself already.

>>7794629
>Also that sounds unpleasant, smoking indoors is gross
well you are used to it if it's like all you know. you can still smoke in most bars or some resturants (usually resturants have a smoker room tho) here and most people I know smoke indoors too.

tfw can vape indoors

>>7794650
>and she's qt
wew thank you anon

>>7794655
You should, all the self respecting chasers do it

>>7794650
Can confirm

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I gained 2 lbs, convince me to eat today

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which frog are you

>>7794662
I- I like boys though, girls make me sad

>>7794656
Idk I guess if you're used to it, it's just the smell gets into everything and generally never comes out. I've always gone outside to smoke but I think it's in large part because I've always lived with nonsmokers

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>>7794667
this one

>>7794669
You're starting to sound like you might just be a tranny

>>7794566
>tfw body odor smells like weed
>keep getting asked if I've been smoking weed
>tfw this started in early puberty long before I ever first smoked weed
I shower every day too wtf
at least it seems to have mostly disappeared since starting hormones

>>7794593
funny how it's always the ones who pass best who tell people passing doesn't matter
>lily
>edie
>muffs
hmmmm...

>>7794677
Funny how I told this even before I passed

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>>7794677
They tell you that so you can suffer more

>>7794670
this is why you should vape weed, the smell doesn't linger and doesn't stick to fabrics so no trouble with landlords lol

unless like me you have a housemate who's a stacey bitch and a total grass

>>7794677
Lily is cis tho

>>7794685
Why are you feeding her delusions

>>7794679
you passed from pretty early on, a lot of the people who say you don't/didn't pass just say so because they hate your personality, you had the correct features to pass less than 6 months in aside from voice etc.

>>7794670
yeah I don't smell it anymore but sometimes when non-smokers lend manga from me they tell me it smells not that good. smoking outside isn't fun tho when it's windy and/or cold which is like almost every day.

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>talking to NHS mental health counsellor about dysphoria (he asked to discuss it, not me, I know he's not a specialist)
>doesn't even pity pass, "yeah you're going to have one hell of a struggle, have you tried distracting yourself with meditation, music, games, etc.? in your situation your best bet is probably just to find ways of not thinking about it."
wew
better than hugboxing but fuck

>>7794688
I find them entertaining

>>7794676
No, I'm just a beta male. These pills are doing nothing.

>>7794697
it's ok Robin, you pass in my heart <3

>>7794685
:^)

Redpill me on Research Chemicals, could they help me not fail this semester?

Wouldn't it be really entertaining to report Lily to the BfV?

>>7794703
>only popping pills
You should consider actually transitioning

>>7794709
Yeah but I got hooked on RC stims and damn near ruined my life soo use wisely

>>7794710
Already on it

>>7794711
I'm probably too dumb to even figure out how to get them in Canada. So idk

>>7794711
What else is there to do besides take HRT? I can't come out just yet and I definitely couldn't start living as a girl.

>>7794697
that sounds like pretty bad advice
>try to live in a fantasy and ignore reality as much as possible.

>>7794719
dressing, acting, general look stuff. like, making the difference between a girl and a faggy guy.
i think.

Should i buy a snake?

>>7794711
>hooked on RCs
HOW

elanna do you just have an addictive personality or something? pretty much everyone I knew at uni was doing RCs and I don't know a single person who got hooked on them. and I know coke, crack and ket addicts, so I'm not just sheltered.

>>7794724
You're a snake

>>7794677
>funny how it's the ones who pass best who tell people passing doesn't matter
Makes all the sense in the world

Who would know better the importance of passing, then someone who passes?

Let me draw an analogy.

The only people who say having chiseled abs doesn't matter are the people with chiseled abs.

How do they know this? They worked their ass off to get to sub 15% bodyfat, and found out that it has no significant bearing on their life or interactions with others (even potential mates)

It is like an autist on /fit/ who thinks hos life will be great and he will get gf, as soon as his lifts are 1/2/3/4. Then he achieves his goals, can't get gf, and realizes lifting for grills is a meme.

So too you can think your life will dramatically improve when you pass, but when you get there, you still feel like the same you that you already are.
There is no magic fairy tale successful ending, just a smaller and smaller "other side" on which to yearn for greener grass

>>7794726
In what way?

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>>7794716
They're not exactly hard to find you don't even need to use tor

>>7794719
Dress like one
Act like one
Go outside and go about your day as one

>>7794725
Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking aspie

>>7794723
I look like a man, I look like a freak in women's clothes, I'm extremely antisocial so I don't have to really act like anything since I never talk to people.

>>7794725
>>7794697
Robin what if I told you, you were a murderer of transwomen in a past life

>>7794732
you should act and dress like an extremely antisocial girl that doesn't want to talk to people, duh

>>7794731
>Dress like one
I try at home and gross myself out
>Act like one
I don't know what this means
>Go outside and go about your day as one
Can't do that, not at all. I'm hoping HRT might make me look halfway decent enough that I can.

I'm a 6'3 male freak until then.

>>7794732
>desperately looking for excuses to be/wanting to be a failure
Because it doesn't *really* count if you never *really* try, right?
Keep running away from risk for the rest of your life, because it sure is comfy, and fuck being uncomfortable

>>7794723
well the NHS no longer offers psychotherapy or any psychiatric medication other than antidepressants because the Tories have cut mental healthcare to oblivion, so pretty much all they can offer is antidepressants, 8 sessions of counselling max., CBT/DBT, group therapy (mentally ill people sitting in a circle talking about how shit everything is), and meditation & mindfulness classes, all pretty surface-level stuff except CBT/DBT is genuinely useful for some, just not for others.

as the counsellor himself says, the fact that all of my issues and anxieties are rooted in things it's totally rational for me to be this fucked up about makes treating me a lot harder. they're used to treating people who have uncontrolled, delusional worrying about unlikely outcomes and that sort of thing, stuff like agoraphobia.

>>7794737
Because the only thing my life needs to be more of an embarrassment is for me to not just be the lonely kid in the back of the class, but also the lonely cross dresser

>>7794734
>implying I'm not going to be one in this life as the number of early transitioners grows and the possibility of passing one day gets smaller and smaller as the years pass

>egging people to go full-time before they're ready
When did /mtfg/ start supporting RLE?

>>7794741
Sorry but immigrants and refugees are more important robin, it's racist to say otherwise.

What would you rather? Have hrt script and therapy but that means little ahmed and his family has to die on they streets of London

Sorry but these refugees are more important than some silly nhs

>>7794747
There's a difference between encouraging RLE and encouraging people to not just sit in front of a computer taking estrogen.
You aren't going to ever pass if you're risk averse and won't do anything to take control of your life, it goes beyond just doing some arbitrary RLE

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>>7794728
>tfw you pour your heart and wisdom into a meaningful post just to have it ignored so she can continue to feel sorry for herself
I should have known better

>>7794751
This. The Tories are heroes

>>7794753
>ever replying to robin
Hell even reading her posts.

>>7794731
what? I have friends who've been hardcore, homeless drug addicts since <15 years old, I grew up in that kind of place, it's not the same as experiencing it but I'm not totally ignorant just because I have aspergers.

>>7794728
there's a big difference between a decision made for aesthetic reasons and combating gender dysphoria that causes suicidal depression, what you say makes sense but only to someone who is trying to pass because they're a crossdresser or a femboy.

>>7794751
This. The Tories are heroes

>>7794751
This. The Tories are heroes

>>7794751
This. The Tories are heroes

>>7794751
This. The Tories are heroes

>>7794751 #
This. The Tories are heroes

>>7794751
This. The Tories are heroes

>>7794751
it's not a zero sum game, the problem with the NHS isn't expenditure on refugees (which is dwarfed by the scale of NHS debt and the national deficit), it's the billions of uncollected corporate tax. helping refugees or whoever has negligible bearing on the start of public services right now.

>>7794753
don't be impatient, I just replied

>>7794751
This. The Tories are heroes

>>7794739
>>7794752
I just don't feel like torturing myself, thanks. Going outside cross dressing and sounding like a man is just an easy way to make myself even more suicidal.

It doesn't make my voice training any quicker, it doesn't make my HRT any more potent, it won't make my boobs grow faster.

I'm 4 months on HRT, outside of a puffy chest there's been no fucking change. There's a difference between taking risks and embarrassing yourself. I'm not a fucking coward for waiting until I'm comfortable looking at myself in a mirror without having a panic attack.

is this the beginning of an epic new meme?

>>7794769
>>7794771
>>7794772
This. The Tories are heroes

>>7794768
I may be autistic but I'm not triggered that easily, post it as much as you want

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>the tories
>heroes

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>>7794738
>I try at home and gross myself out
dress diferently, duh.
>I don't know what this means
observe how women behave differently for men.
>I'm a 6'3 male freak until then.
hrt is magic, but not THAT magic.

>>7794739
tough love

>>7794741
the NHS thing is trully horrible. the state school thing too.
is there any hope that the next party to win could get something better?

>>7794742
HS is tough, I wouldn't recommend comming out during it even if you look completely female.

>>7794753
see >>7794757

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>>7794784
>hrt is magic

>>7794677
my underarm sweat smells like weed sometimes too, it's very strange

>>7794784
I'm not expecting it to shrink me, but maybe I'm going to look like a 6'3 girl one day instead

I doubt it, but that small hope is about the only reason I don't kill myself

>>7794769
Sorry but the NHS can't have any more money

>>7794728
I get where you're coming from, but not passing can actually have negative impacts on your life and how people see you, whereas not having chiseled abs or lifting 1/2/3/4 won't.

>>7794756
This tbqh.

>>7794795
an hero

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>>7794771
I don't think anyone is telling you to become fulltime just now. It works for some but not for most.
But you should train to be as soon as possible, dummy. If you want to wait for tits for a few more months but have a perfect voice you're not loosing anything.

>>7794772
epic forced meme?

>>7794788
hrt makes me like people again, that's pretty magical from my position.

>>7794793
you can't look like one just with soft skin and bitch tities.

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>>7794771
Your mistake is thinking that these pills are going to actually make you pass on their own without any sort of negative feedback from strangers.
They won't, pills don't magically make you a girl.

>>7794795
tickle my sphincter nazifampai

>>7794803
They can based on your genetics

>>7794803
Hey, Elanna. If you have some free minutes, check Tonkatsu DJ Agetarou. It mixes DJing with cooking and at least one DJ friend really liked it. It's like 10 minutes per episode, really easy to check and quit if it's not your thing.

>>7794802
>>7794803
I'm not sure why I need to do this now, it's been 4 months. I'm in school. I'm not out to my parents. I live in a small town. I have no privacy at home.

I'm just going to wait until I'm more comfortable? What's so fucking wrong about that?

>>7794801
I know I'm a hero

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>>7794813
Thinks included in working on passing:
>finding the best place to live as a tranny/be stealth or at least not bullied if possible
>find out what kind of clothing suits you buy trying a variety instead of your mom's/sister's clothing
>training voice
>checking how normal people behave
>finding out how to keep going with a fullfilling life that doesn't revolve around being a tranny

>>7794807
this lol, look at Abby or muffins

>>7794813
>in school
You said you were a neet?

>>7794799
>not passing can actually have negative impacts on your life
Ask the people who pass how much better it is to pass
>whereas not having chiseled abs or lifting 1/2/3/4 won't.
Spoken like a true DYEL
Try going on /fit/ and saying that

>>7794803
>negative feedback from strangers.
Is that actually necessary/helpful in learning how to pass?
It seems like most such feedback would come in the form of "ur a man lol", and not actually tell specific things you could or should improve on.

literaly rle

hugg elann

>>7794807
>I blame all successes and lack of success on "jennedix"
Truly the epitome of a mentally weak person


You are LITERALLY the obese piece of shit blaming all weight problems on genetics

>>7794824
I have the complete opposite of chiselled abs and I get laid all the time- with people way way more attractive than me
not passing is far worse than not having chiselled abs anon

>>7794831
>being this retarded

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>>7794820
>doesn't mention the people who had to bust their ass to pass
What is confirmation bias?

>>7794824
The few people I know who lift think /fit/ is a complete joke filled with memes to excuse not enough effort.

>>7794825
I think the line was more like
>you're assuming that pills will take away the negative feedback
which they won't. it's like training for a race, you'll still loose for some time no matter how much you trained on your own.

I'm #teamrobin

>>7794836
trip on kayla

>>7794836
>Kayla
>passing
Pick one

>>7794836
i think you misread
she said it can based on genetics

>>7794818
I'm a foot taller than my mom and sister, I don't fit in any of their clothes. My mom is home all day every day, I never have actual privacy. I'm training voice as much as I can by going out for walks.

I'm just trying to finish school and move out so I can have the privacy and money to start becoming my own person. Walking outside in drag right more is just masochistic, what advice would strangers offer?
>You sound like a fag
>You're a man
>Your face is hideous
>Your shoulders are huge
>You're too tall

Wow, great help. Glad I did that.

>>7794822
It was a joke, you say dumb shitposts all the time too. Why can't I?

>>7794833
You don't pass and you "get laid all the time"
I guess passing doesn't matter, if getting laid is the only metric

You can have crippling body dysmorphia without being trans

>>7794813
don't listen to them, you should always aim for constant progress and avoid getting stuck in a rut unnecessarily but there's nothing wrong with creating a situation for yourself where that is more feasible first. I went fulltime at 9 months and came out soon after, but I waited until I'd moved out from my parents' house first because doing it prematurely would have just made things worse for me. there's nothing wrong with being practical. just don't let it turn into holding yourself back. there's a happy medium.

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>>7794825
It is literally the only way to learn how to pass socially
Passing in photos is not the same as passing in real life. Nobody actually passes when they go full-time, even if they visually look like a girl.

>>7794845
Well forgive me for talking based on false information.
Live your life for now, 4 months is early but do know that at some point in the future you will need to commit.

>>7794841
Close, but no cigar
>>7794842
Rude!

robin did nothing wrong

>>7794851
>Close, but no cigar
oh hey
dont you fucking hurt her or I will have your balls and force feed you estrogen

>>7794839
I don't think the pills will take away the negative feedback, but we take them for a reason. I'm literally only 4 months in and genetics aren't on my side like some of the people here.

Why can't I wait? They're supposed to do something right? Help at least a little?

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>>7794849
Mfw people actually think getting gendered correctly means you pass

>>7794849
>Live your life for now, 4 months is early but do know that at some point in the future you will need to commit.
isn't this what she's been saying

tfw want tea but too lazy to get up and make it

:(

>>7794836
??????
all I said was that hrt can sometimes be enough on its own to make someone pass, I think you may be reading into it too much

>>7794846
my entire point is that getting laid is not the only metric, there's no point looking like a perfect human male in peak physical condition if you spend your whole life wracked with gender dysphoria, unable to enjoy anything or anyone and end up killing yourself

btw did anon ever see my reply to >>7794728 ?
I don't want them to think I was ignoring it

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Why are we spreading misinformation that if you don't pass in a few months you have to just hon it up because HRT does nothing?

>>7794854
>all the sudden you toxic cunts pretend to care about her
Oh god i just rolled my eyes so hard I severed my optic nerves

>>7794856
that is what it means
however passing != pretty
but you are both Angie

>>7794858
>tfw want a good life but too lazy to get up and fix it

>>7794864
Hi Kayla

>>7794845
>what advice would strangers offer?
you study the feedback, not the content. obviously strangers won't tell you how to be a better girl, but you can see how they react and correct from there. The general point was not getting your hopes up that hrt alone will make you pass without any pain, it's just a way to make things worse.
Also, again, I already said that comming out in HS is pretty much suicide even if you're the cutest.

>>7794855
yeah, sure.
the problem is that a lot of people think that pills are 100% and they are from 20% to 50% at best.
it's just basic form to tell you not to trust them more than your own growth.

>>7794864
some people here do care about her

>tfw can't stop chasing trannies on okcupid

is there an easier group of people to manipulate besides germans and mtf trannies?

>>7794865
if you know it's whingie then you should know not to feed it attention
>inb4 sir

>>7794857
I was advising based on the context that anon was a neet who received no social feedback. Now that I know that is not the case, I believe they're justified in going about their transition the way they do.

>>7794862
>tfw look like the 7 months pic at 16 months because my estrogen levels are only half what they should be and my fucking GP won't help at all re: self-medding
it's an improvement at least but I'm scared by the time I actually get referred to an endo I'll have completely missed the window for proper female development when I get my levels adjusted

>>7794865
I'll take what is a pity pass for $500?
Being pretty (which I'll never achieve) helps.

>>7794864
I've always been sympathetic towards her. I understand why she gets on so many people's nerves, but I'm not a trannu and I never posted in the cross-dressing threads, so it doesn't really rustle me.

She's just weird, and at times I wonder if she's a real person.

>>7794868
She is working rn.
I thought you faggots knew her schedule by now
>>7794860
I saw your reply, I have just given up on attempting to articulate how dumb and wrong you are.
By all means, enjoy your pity party

I am appalled by the anti neet sentiment on this board lately .

>>7794857
it's hard to tell if an anon is different from things you read over and over again here.

>>7794862
because most of the time it doesn't. or you can just end up like a femboy, not registering feminine at all.
also, you're implying that that person who was tucking correctly and wearing girl clothes since before the transition, exercised, and worked on secondary traits like body hair, just took her pills. Don't insult her.

>>7794862
hrt is literally magic

>>7794849
I've seen people say this before, but I still don't understand why it's so impossible to pass irl without being fulltime, or what being fulltime would teach you that can't be learned otherwise.
I guess I would have to experience it firsthand to fully wrap my head around it.

>>7794878
>pity pass
if you accused someone who maamed you that they were just pity passing you they would be all
>what the hell is this bitch on about

passing is
35% hrt
25% effort
40% genetics
but you need 100% to pass at all so all three are indispensible

>>7794864
we can tease her out of love.
or make her payback of years of being a bitch until we're satisfied.
or just hate some of the stuff she says about you.

>>7794884
well, we do hate outselves, so...

>>7794862
They had good genetics
I did the thing as this person in the pic (lose weight and gain weight), but the weight went back to all male places despite having perfect female hormone levels.

>>7794869
I don't want the feedback, I know I look like a man. I'm just embarrassing myself by having strangers say it for me.

I'm not going out in public until I can make myself look what I think is decent inside. When I'm living on my own and have time to train voice all day, practice makeup, when my hair has grown longer, when I have a job and can afford to buy more than a top once a month, when I've lost enough weight.

When I actually reach a point that I think I've made a serviceable effort and look halfway okay, then I'll go out and see how people react. Right now I don't see what I'll get from stares, weird looks, and some hick probably calling me a faggot. I already know I look like a man, thanks.

>>7794892
I don't feel like society is worth "contributing" to, and I'm willing to put off funding drone strikes as long as I feasibly can.
There is nothing wrong with being neet once you ignore bourgeois morality.

Hey everyone.
I'm publishing a research paper soon, and maybe I'll continue doing it on and on because I may be considering a doctorate degree.

Should I publish under my girl name?

>>7794892
>or just hate some of the stuff she says about you.
That is fine, but let the record show she tells lies from time to time, even about me

>>7794883
oh it was you
well you're not even trans, dude, no wonder you don't understand the difference between "feeling bad about being unfit" and gender dysphoria
take it from me, I was almost 14 stone in high school while having gender dysphoria at the same time, I hated being fat and even cried over it as a teen but it was a fucking scratch compared to the emotional torture that is gender dysphoria. I lost weight and got rid of that problem easily. the dysphoria remains.

>>7794900
Yes
Don't be like stupid like maddie and publish it under your male name

>Be me
>Working at a bar
>Slow night, give out a few of my free drinks to anyone that wants a convo
>qt 3.14 walks up to the bar
>We talking for an hour
>Try to give her free drinks but she refuses
>Asks if I have a gf, I don't and she is seeming really into me
>Is this real life or a sea of fanta?
>Suddenly one of her girlfriends appears beside her
>Wait a fucking minute...
>Now I have a reference point I can see that the skull shape is just all wrong
>Suddenly notice that """"she"""" doesn't have one masculine feature, but is basically a man
>Can see the five o'clock shadow growing through """"her"""" makeup as we speak
>I need an exist strategy
>"Accidentally" cut myself and rush off to hospital
>7 stitches and $200 later
>""""She"""" was waiting for me outside admissions and gave me a lift home
>"Anon, I think you are super swell, you should call me some time"
>"Sorry bro, I'm not into dudes

Why does Kayla's bf act like such a faggot?

>>7794905
Maddie did that? Damn...

I'm just saying, I don't have a psychiatrists diagnosis yet, but to be safe I should post it under girl name, right? It's not like they check that, anyway.
If I ever get told at a psychiatrist that I'm not trans (kek) I'd just use that as a pen name I guess.

>>7794903
>I didn't have crippling body dysmorphia, neither can/does anyone else
I was just trying to illustrate that you will alwaya feel like shit, even after you reach your goals, and passing won't magically make you feel any different about yourself.

Forgive me if you felt my analogy to be a false equivalence, I feel it to be a perfectly valid analogy, even if the parallels can't be exactly equated

>>7794900
Depends on if you'd rather stay in the closet a couple more months, or spend the rest of your life either pretending that paper doesn't exist or having it out you as trans.
Seems like a pretty easy choice to me.

>>7794911
Because I am a massive faggot, silly

>>7794691
And I said it from pretty early on that caring bout passing is bad for your mental health

>>7794888
>or what being fulltime would teach you that can't be learned otherwise.
what?
being full time is the goal
that's the point of transitioning, living as a woman.
feeling like one nly when you are in a safe space or alone at home defeats the purpose of everything, just ask your friends to pity pass and you're done.

>>7794891
Nah, you need 70%-80% to pass. You need 100% to be actually stealth.

>>7794893
because the point is having fat cells move inside your body, which is easier if they aren't occupied, but still can take up to 6 years.

>>7794896
I know it's easy to get posts mixed up, but I included finding a place to live and conditions to pass as "work that doesn't include hrt".

And again, you won't pass the first few times you go out. It's gonna hurt and you have to take it. Still, yeah, don't come out during HS and consider never telling your HS friends about it.

>>7794897
if you canlive out of state money then I guess that's okay.

>>7794901
ehhh
like, totally.
the problem is that she defends stuff, real or fictional, that are plain old abusive.

>>7794888
she's talking primarily about mannerisms and social cues.

for example, visiting the loos at work, a female colleague asks you if you've got a spare tampon or pad in your handbag, if you haven't taken care to carry a couple spare at all times having encountered this before then you're fucked. "why would she not be carrying any with her?" the other woman thinks. not much of a problem on its own, but if you already have an andro voice and are 6 ft tall despite passing, suddenly, oh shit, you're one step closer to being outed. having always had female friends since I was a kid, I can tell you, it comes up in conversation. these are the sorts of things that can only be learnt once you are fulltime already unless you already grew up in a female-heavy environment.

>>7794916
It's my first paper and I'm proud of what I did... :c it would be a shame not to put it on the proverbial fridge (give me a stronger magnet and it goes on the actual fridge)

>>7794913
You can read her paper here http://www.academia.edu/7556109/On_Fat_Oppression

>>7794921
Been on hrt for 8 years. No fat anywhere

>>7794921
I don't have HS friends so that's fine. I don't have any friends at all in real life. Only a handful online.

>>7794921
>the problem is that she defends stuff, real or fictional, that are plain old abusive.
She defends lots of retarded views just to get a reaction from you guys.

>>7794924
can't they assume you're a stingy fuck and don't want to share with them?
If you also refuse to share some tic tacs or smokes saying you have very few left I thing you coud cover it up :^)

>>7794930
Oh, I was just trying to correct a missconception I happened to help spread at some point.
Have you considered more fat in your life?

>>7794931
remember to stay strong soon to be cutey.

>>7794932
well, like, she gets it and spreads it to you too.

>>7794888
It's because social feedback doesn't exist in a bubble and you can't learn how to be a girl without it. It's shitty but that's sort of how life is.
Gotta learn by doing.

>>7794938
Gets it and spreads it to me?
What does that sentence even mean?

I want to stop crying

Should I kill Priscilla?
y/n?

>>7794930
Is this for real? I don't know maddie well enough to know if this is for real or some kind of joke?
If not a joke, I had no idea that papers of the social kind looked like this

>>7794915
>passing won't magically make you feel any different about yourself
you don't know that though, because you're not trans; there's a difference between achieving life goals and treating a physiological condition

point is your analogy is equivalent to saying that struggling to achieve chiselled abs won't make someone any happier in the end, and neither will giving antipsychotics to a schizophrenic person

>>7794920
and idek what your problem is lily but I'm damn sure it ain't gender dysphoria if you can just "choose to ignore it", I've desperately tried to distract myself from it with meditation, creative stuff, volunteer work, friends and relationships etc. and the only thing that works is drugs, which aren't always easy to find or affordable and deffo aren't safe long-term

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>>7794930
>http://www.academia.edu/7556109/On_Fat_Oppression

I was about to come out to my mom and then she randomly changes the topic to star wars

RIP my life

>>7794944
she gets a reaction and makes people feel the same wya about you.
was it really a weird sentences? esl here, so sometimes I screw stuff up...

>>7794949
I think I'm gonna up my hrt just to be sure...

>>7794956
What about Star Wars? Was it at least worth it?

>>7794938
it was just an example

>>7794956
No this is perfect talk about how Kylo Ren wants to be Darth Vader and is trying to change himself to become that.

Use that to switch into how similarly you want to be a girl.

>>7794951
In the same sense that getting fit doesn't make the body dysmorphia go away, passing won't make the dysphoria go away.

Either way I am done with this convo

>>7794956
>"oh and mum do you know a fun fact about star wars?"
>"no?"
>"carrie fisher is not transgender. but I am!"

>>7794928
Then it sounds like you have your answer.

If you're proud of your paper, then it would suck to have your deadname be attached to it forever.

>>7794943
I guess so yeah.
Also, roughly how long do you think it would take someone to pass consistently after going fulltime, assuming that their voice is good and they're mostly ok looks-wise?

>when chasers explain their views on what it's like to be trans

>>7794962
I know, I know.
I was making a dumb joke.

>>7794965
Smart!

>>7794967
Nice feint!

>>7794961

Basically just when they all came out and random thoughts about the new coming out.

>>7794951
You can't ignore dysphoria
But you can ignore "oh passing is the most important thing"-feels

>>7794959
Protip: I don't give a shit what 4chan thinks of me or her, and neither should any sane person.

Idgaf if you think I don't want her to get SRS, or that I want her to top me.
That is just lulzy

>>7794966
but in a lot of cases it does
anyway, body dysmorphia is often based on delusion like anorexia, gender dysphoria is a reaction to an entirely accurate perception of the body
they're not directly comparable as conditions even if their mental effects are similar

>>7794974
My dysphoria stems from the fact that I can't pass

>>7794965
>>7794967

God damn it why are y'all so much wittier then I am

>>7794977
>but in a lot of cases it does
...fuck off

>>7794965
Then run her through with a light saber, completing your transition.

>>7794982
Do facts bother you? It's not really a controversial statement that most trans girls who transition and then past feel miles better about themselves.

anyone else here like tim hecker

>>7794977
>they're not directly comparable as conditions
I don't think I ever directly compared them, I just illustrated a similarity

But seriously I at least am well aware I don't understand the struggle of sexual dysphoria.

You seem less aware that you don't understand the struggle of legit dysmorphia

You think rich piana isn't riddled with dysmorphia even though he is obese with muscle and has less fat than a goddamn salad?

The struggle is real

>>7794990
Which goes back to her initial statement that those who pass say passing doesn't matter?
We cognitive dissonance now

>>7794965
>has long hair
>is desperately trying to become like his extremely feared, powerful and deep-voiced male relative
>is angry all the time because of it
Is Kylo Ren a repressed trans girl?

>arguing with a chaser about what being trans is like
wew

>>7794997
That would explain why he comes off as such a weak little bitch when he tries to act tough

Why doesn't anyone here know how to use filters?

>>7795002
they want to be mad.

>>7794978
I doubt it
Dysphoria has nothing to do with society

>>7795000
I never claimed to know what being trans is like, you misrepresentative faggot.

I just drew a corollary to a similar scenario where mental anguish isn't extinguished via external means

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I want to kill myself

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post something nice mtfg
post something cute
we could all use a cute post

>>7795009
And you're getting upset and hostile when people here know you're wrong.

>>7795002
I watch it uncensored

>>7794974
but lily
my gender dysphoria results from the fact I don't pass

how is passing not important if the fact I don't pass is the reason for my gender dysphoria and my gender dysphoria is the problem

I'm genuinely curious as to how your mind works

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>>7795012

>>7794950
It is
Maddie was stupid to reveal her full name and where she lives and works a few months back on soc, so it was easy to connect the dots

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>>7795025
but y

>>7795013
I got mildly offended when it was implied you can just lift your body dysmorphia away.

Outside of that I wouldn't say I was upset. If I came off as hostile it was unintentionally so.
That being said I have literally no issue being dead wrong on a subject that is quite obviously out of my element.
But I do feel I wasn't being understood adequately, a feeling I suspect is mutual

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>>7795012

Hide chaser threads.

Ignore chaser posts.

Do not reply to chasers.

>>7795017
the issue is that you're sugesting that girls that are full time shouldn't have any disphoria, and they all do.

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>>7795026
Imagine being taken care of by such a big cot. I'd be spooped.

>>7795017
See >>7795005
I think you confuse dysphoria over not looking female with not passing
At least I don't see how a internal problem like dysphoria can stem from societal roles and ideas how women are

>>7795025
saved. this looks like the paintings in my uncles house.

>>7795032
I wish dysphoria would just fuck off.
I can't even socially detrans

>>7795032
Wait.. so passing doesn't magically make the dysphoria magically go away?
Weird.....

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>>7795012
>post something cute

>>7795009
but that's exactly the point
often in our case the mental anguish IS extinguished by external means in the form of passing
you might get the odd person here and there with BDD in addition to being trans for whom passing is not enough but a lot of the time, it totally is
that is why transition is the recommended treatment for gender dysphoria, but getting skinnier is not the recommended treatment for anorexia and lifting isn't the recommended treatment for bigorexia, etc.

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>>7795040
Who be stupid enough to think that?

I wish I was cute.

I wonder where Akaka ever went. I liked her, though I was always confused as to why she bothered to try and correct all the transphobia here (and on the rest of the board) by herself; also lives (lived?) in my city

>>7795032
I mean, it doesn't make it totally go away sure, still can't have kids and stuff
but if it didn't cause a dramatic improvement in most then it wouldn't be a recommended treatment

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>>7795035
Eh. It looks like it's about the same size difference as between an adult and baby human.

>>7795043
Every passing trans I have met was just as dysphoric as every nonpassing trans I have met.

>>7795044
Robin

Take that as you wi

hrt is turning me into the biggest faggot ever

>>7795054
being a faggot is good

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>>7795030

>>7795043
that's a bit like saying that doing fun stuff extinguishes depression.
you can't get social acceptance 24/7
that's why the treatment includes hormones to look inherently more like a woman instead of pity passing.
And even then there is quite a bit of evidence here that disphoria is a lifetime condition.

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>>7795057

>>7795052
humies are more reliable than cots imo

>>7795057
Ayy, my skillset is the same as that bun's.

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>>7795062

>>7795055
eh
maybe

what do i make for breakfast tomorrow mtfg
i have popcorn
pizza sauce
oatmeal
whey protein concentrate in 3 flavors
and walnuts

>>7795036
what is this insane troll logic

voice and posture aside, not looking female = not passing

when I say that I'm dysphoric and shit because I don't pass, I mean I'm dysphoric and shit because I don't look female. I don't care too much whether an individual other than myself thinks I'm a girl or a tranny because who gives a fuck what other people think, but the fact that everyone sees me a guy IRL suggests that my own perception of my face/body, that I'm a manly honbeast, is correct, and so I get dysphoric.

perhaps you would understand my original post better if I worded it as that I can't ignore the fact that I don't look female, and that that's what fucks me up.

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>>7795071
pancakes

>>7795071
Protein shake, oats, and walnuts

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>>7795074

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is properly chewing gum a vital element for passing?

hugg

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>>7795071
Combine all that into one culinary abomination and post it on /ck/

>>7795058
oh okay I think I see where you and lily are misunderstanding me now. when I say 'passing', I meant looking female to myself, not just validation from others. sorry if that wasn't clear.

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>>7795078
last one

>>7795082
hugg
I'm sad.

>>7795089
why are you sad?
can i help you be less sad, anon?

>>7795082
huggie wuggie

>>7795084
well, usually passing is limited to how people react. Like, you can look like a man in your eyes and still pass, or pass without hrt because woman genes. But you'll still take your pills.

>>7795090
Lots of reasons and no :(

>>7795083
Being snobbish about sushi is the same as about burgers or hoagies. They're all meant to be junk food.

>>7795084
Wtf? The entire convo has been about passing and whether it will make the dysphoria go away

>>7795094
want to talk about it? c:

>>7795091
huggle wuggle

>>7795073
That's different than not passing Imo since passing often has some unobtainable ideal instead of grounded views on what is considered female

>>7795095
this is pretty unsubtle bait for CFH standards

>>7795095
>sushi is junk food
Being snobby about sushi makes even more sense than being snobby about steak

The difference between excellent and good sushi is vast. The difference between good sushi and mediocre sushi is equally vast.

A burger is just a burger

>>7795095
Nah.
There is luxury sushi, and even fatty filling sushi has many degrees of quality. It's an elitte food turned into junk food taking away a ton of quality.

>>7795100
are you saying that passing doesn't mean people will treat you like a princess and fight for your attention and potential love?
you're clearly deluded.

>>7795105
I am saying that even with short hair and little to no titd and no makeup tons of mtfg would pass at least as unattractive dykes but their idea of passing boils down to attractive long haired cliché

>>7795093
>>7795097
>>7795100
whoopsssss guess I should have been more specific in my wording lol

so, looking female does matter re: gender dysphoria, right? all you're saying is that it's better not to worry as much how others perceive you? because I'm totally behind that.

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>>7795109
Imma be a hime-sama like my chinesse animus, you'll see!

>>7795104
Hi, I'm a potato snob

your jacket potato is too dry and not buttery enough

which trips are good girls?

>>7795097
Why you so concerned whether dysphoria goes away

It's almost as if you have dysphoria...

>>7795112
Pretty much

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>>7794956
>tfw I said third time's the charm yesterday
*Fourth* time's the charm Gio, you'll get her tomorrow!

>>7795012
do buns count

>>7795094
You can't stop us hugging you though <3

>>7795115
I've tasted really dreadful potato stuff and really good stuff that makes you drool.
Compare died mashed potatos form a bag and mashed potatos made with selected potato, properly chopped and cooked, with cream or butter and cheese.

I mean, there are even cigarette snobs.

>>7795112
It was a bit confusing because yeah, how people perceive you can make you feel pretty good. It's just not the be all of dysphoria.

>>7795116
anna
gloomy
sertii

Kill me