LGBT and Trumpism

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>trumpism

>>7780077
There seems to be a lot of wannabe Blaire White copycats on this board. These younger transgender kids think it's cool to go against the "norm" and rebel by ironically supporting a movement that calls for their own destruction. It's sad and I view them as misguided. Most likely because they grew up in a better time to be transgender than earlier generations and haven't experienced real discrimination and oppression from the conservatives who have vowed to eliminate LGBT from existence.

>>7780098
islam isnt exactly pro-lgbt either

>>7780077
Most of these people just want to become part of the moral majority and think that by supporting conservative politics, they will achieve this purpose and finally become normal, they also love Trump cause he doesn't seem to be particularly anti-lgbt unlike other Republicans. There's also people whose first allegiance is to the white race and choose Trump cause he's going to destroy Islam or whatever and send all the immigrants back.

>>7780102
I wasn't talking about Islam here. You're comparing apples to oranges. I was talking about the good ol' fashioned American brand of conservatism mixed with Christian fundamentalism. Those fundies would gladly electrocute you in concentration camps until you either died or pretended to become straight.

>>7780098
It is cool to be against the norm also ironically supporting a movement that calls for their destruction would be islam you idiot.

>>7780106
>they also love Trump cause he doesn't seem to be particularly anti-lgbt unlike other Republicans

You guys commonly tend to overlook the simple and unavoidable fact that the Trump Administration is full of anti-LGBT wingnuts. Mike Pence, Jeff Sessions, Ben Carson, Betsy DeVos, et al.

>>7780110
Bullshit Islam is what the left is currently protecting over the Lgbt community you would be blind not to see that.

>>7780127
Read this >>7780110

>>7780102

No, but there is a mix in Islam, just like there is a mix in Christianity. I agree that at the moment, the west is more progressive. I'm glad I get to spend my time in the bay area and nyc, but just as I wouldn't want to live in Saudia Arabia, I also wouldn't want to live in Oklahoma.

I don't think it's that simple

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>>7780098
>everyone with a different opinion is copying some random retard

>>7780106
>i took an anthropology class in high school, please look at me

>>7780136
When will the Left install Sharia law?

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>>7780147

>>7780140
The numbers in Muslims wanting Gays dead is alot higher than Christians.

>>7780149
When they all get raped into submission by their new owners, but that is the bad timeline we /feelinfine/ timeline now, Trump is president Milo is on Bill Maheer and the next pope knows the Truth about islam

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>>7780154
we postin anime girls?

>>7780157

Yes, but frankly I'm more afraid of the fundamentalist Christians at the moment. They seem to have so much more power over my life.

>>7780077
>how any lgbt person could support someone who will make theirs lives worse. What don't I understand?
I ask myself this all the time. The only explanation I have is that they are simply too ignorant to know what their vote meant. But still, that doesn't help me understand just how LGBT Hillary voters can be that ignorant.

>>7780139
Only the Westero babtiz church cares if you are gay literally so few Christians think that way it is insanely small.

>>7780176
Are you in the westero babtiz church?

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>>7780175
yes.

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>shills say trump will protect us from homophobic arabs
>"Saudi Arabia will throw you off a roof for being gay!!"
>travel ban doesn't even include Saudi Arabia
k

>>7780200
>tfw you will never be this thicc

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>>7780207
Saudi dollars

>>7780166

Those are not really the feelings of the left. I'm a socialist. I worry about what will happen if economic inequality is not tamed. I support freedom of expression. I believe in so many things that you do. I would shit my pants with anything like sharia law. Ok, can be be on the same page here?

But many people who are muslim feel exactly the same way. That's not the correct dimensional slice.

Simple solutions to complex problems might feel comforting, but I'm not so sure how well they will work.

>>7780207
>List was concucked by Obama
>noone from saudi is coming here
>It would start a war furshure

>>7780207
>"Saudi Arabia will throw you off a roof for being gay!!"
That's IS retard and it's Iran that wants to hang you from a crane.

But hey, if you feel cheated, why not take a holiday in any of those countries yourself?

>>7780230
No mate, Iran wants to you get a sex change so you will stop being a flaming degenerate and become a cute girl.

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>>7780077
Most people on here have the mental age of 12.
They mindlessly repeat the message of natsoc that they hear on /pol/
They don't think for themselves.
Don't take what you read here as indicative of the larger LGBT community.
The people here are mostly autistic shut-ins with no connection to the real world.
People with lives don't spend time here.
I hope this helps you to understand.

>>7780077
If the left would drop the multicultural bullshit, I would support them. But if we're going to play identity politics, then I'll be on team White.

>>7780282
Why don't you just join the left then (liberals are not leftists)

>>7780251
Educate yourself.

>>7780303
Because I don't want my country to be white minority. Not that the right is much better with all their virtue signalling "the left are the true racists!", pushing for more muds for cheap labor, and wanting to ban abortions so we have tens of millions more nogs. There's no winning.

>>7780077
>This whole flirtation with fascism

It boggles my mind how people in their 40s can still be this stupid

>>7780134
Who will do absolutely nothing, get a grip

>>7780329
First, visit leftypol. Second, unspook yourself

>>7780356
What do you mean, unspook?

>>7780365
It's the lefty version of "red pill". Basically, drinking the koolaid.

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>>7780303
>liberals are not leftists
By definition, and their behavior, they very much are.

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>>7780134
/leftypol/, please go.

>>7780227
There's literally hundreds of thousands of Saudi students in America.

>>7780374
>idpol capitalists
>leftist
Really activates those almonds

>>7780356
Is leftypol for white supremacy?

>>7780386
Not an argument.

>>7780397
No, they believe all cultures are equal.

They are also against LGBT rights for some inexplicable reason.

>>7780403
Not an argument.

>>7780413
Wrong

>>7780413
Because LGBT people were persecuted under communism much the way they are today in Sharia Law countries.

>>7780251

Yeah, that's a tricky thing. I wish I didn't have to deal with being transgender, I wish my body completely aligned with my mind and presentation, but honestly I can't separate out what I want for myself than from what society wants from me.

It's so hard to tell what I actually want when the whole world is sort of shouting "You should do this!" and I also know that the world is broken in moral and ethical and even aesthetic lines.

So no, I'd much rather struggle for equal pay and recognition as a first class person in the US than easy access to surgery and servitude in Iran and abandoning my glb compatriots. Maybe the fact that I had to think about that for a second indicates how deeply felt gender is.

But we were talking about turning america into the Russian equivalent of sharia law, and the people who will suffer supporting that.

>>7780422
Not an argument.

>>7780443
>Maybe the fact that I had to think about that for a second indicates how deeply felt gender is.
Or how loosely held your convictions are.

>>7780077

>I'm not gonna say his name
>Tries to get a better understanding of the real world

Go back to room and stay silent you dumb lib I hope refugees gang rape you like they do in Sweden!

>>7780426
It's really simple. The more power you give to heterosexuals, the more LGBT people will be persecuted.

Communism has never promised to give power to LGBT people. Some people claim it has, because it promotes "the common people", but the "straight common" people have never believed "gay common" is even a thing.

This is why I did not trust Bernie "Muh States Rights" Sanders.

>>7780274

Yeah. I guess I didn't know what I was thinking. I know when there is an emergency at work, I become much more narrowly focused and my mind is less flexible.

Somehow, that seems very common on the internet, like it's always in a giant stress emergency.

But thank you.

>>7780455

Or maybe I just take the time to consider things, and then make a moral decision as an adult, rather than a child who just reacts to something.

Given the quandaries that transgender people face in their lives here, the overwhelming desire for acceptance is not irrational.

But as thinking people, we can stop, and think and consider, and then try to come to a moral conclusion.

Didn't I just stay that I would choose the greater good over personal benefit? And you are giving me a hard time for thinking about this moral issue out loud?

I'd like to hear more of that from you.

>>7780456
Tolerant alt-righters, ladies and gentlemen.

>>7780533
You said maybe you had to think about it because of how deeply you feel your gender identity, which you extrapolated to everyone else's gender too. Maybe you're wrong though and it's your convictions being weak that left you thinking about whether or not abandoning LGB people was right. Calm down.

>>7780448
Not an argument.

>>7780415
Really activates those almonds

I grew up in the Appalachian mountains and never once saw a gay bashing or anything like that. I know many people who did not like gays, but in my 27 years alive here I have not seen anything happen to any gay person beyond some mean names on anonymous social media, I think topix was a hot one for that. As for why a LGBT person could support Trump I will list some small reasons for ya.

Islam would be a big one, seeing as how Islam is an unignorable threat to the LGBT community but we are not supposed to talk about that I guess. Another reason is not all LGBT peoples put LGBT issues at the top of their list, sometimes they care about things like abortion and whatnot as well. This one is most possible amongst the LGB part as bathroom issues seem to be the big thing now and those don't hit them at all. Racists do exist but it should be pretty obvious not all Trump voters were racists.

I was a Trump voter because I remember Hillary and things she said in the past. Mike Pence is something that will get brought up like crazy, but he was a pick to secure votes and has no real power as VP and even if in the case of Trumps death he became POTUS he would not be able to send LGBT peoples to shock therapy. The biggest thing to realize is this election was not just "I hate immigrants" vs "I don't hate them", there was a lot more going on that got swept under the rug due to the extremes of both left and right.

>>7780674
>be a faggot who has an opinion on abortion
why

>>7780561
"Calm down". I'm going to try to give you the chance to be a thoughtful person.

Maybe we could just talk like people? The current regime in Iran is scary. It has been since 1979, or maybe since 1953.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But there is something a little out of whack when such a repressive and authoritarian government is more accepting of transgender people than the US. Not with them, they're nuts. But I expect more from us.

Well, I guess I did, until we installed an insane clown president on november 8

>>7780077
I just really think hillary clinton is disgusting and corrupt and should never be president, so I voted trump.

I don't have a hard on for trump but what has he actually done to hurt LGBT? All I see is people fear mongering on the internet.

>>7780674
I just realized the first part of my post seems dumb without an explanation as to why it's there. It's there because it's a red voting area and is stereotyped to be a bunch of stupid LGBT/minorty hating assholes when in reality they are nothing like TV would have you believe.

>>7780684
I don't like it because I see it as killing a child, one does not have to be a religious zealot or straight to have an opinion on abortion.

Not American; but I supported Trump and support all similar political candidates in the West.

1) Because I don't base all my politics on my own immediate self-interests. The future is vast, and I am small, and I need to think ahead to how my actions will affect the future - not even just for LGBT people either, but for everyone. To be frank, I am more concerned for the future for heterosexuals; queers will not be the ones raising future generations. That might seem cold, but it is the truth. Conservatives frequently observe that queers are selfish because we have no children, and I think that is generally true.

2) My race comes before my sexuality and gender disorder. My ancestors meant to leave ME a land, and I am bound to protect it for future whites. I want to live in the West - not Nigeria, not Mexico, not Syria and not China. Though they might be nice places, they are not home. Plus the world will suffer without the white West to innovate and provide aid. Call me "racist," but you scarlet R doesn't affect me.

3) Clinton was probably one of the most corrupt candidates in American history. Trump is nowhere near fascist, but is really a center-right civic nationalist, and the fear-mongering is insanity.

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>>7780102
Muslims also make up 0.9% of the U.S. population. There are over three times more LGBT people in the U.S. at 3.5%, who are also "taking over" according to right wing alarmists with such... overwhelming numbers...

I'm no political expert, but I think there's a very good chance that you've been bamboozled like a drunk at a carnival.

>>7780098
mfw i was a lgbt supporter when kids threatened to beat up gays. that was in the south. i told a bunch of people off for beating on this freshman in high school. a bunch of seniors threatened to beat the kids making threats asses. i was an activist at that time, despite being straight, and all that. i became active because of violence agaimst lgbt people. i wasn't gonna sit by and let that happen.

>>7780098
I think it's partly this, but also because they want to get in on the ground floor of the new fascist movement in the hopes they can avoid getting their youtube pages and blogs flooded with anonymous right-wing trolls, not to mention getting physically purged like all of the other "degenerates" when the jackboot parade actually does roll out irl.

>>7780759
And lo and behold the dogshit christian troll guy to slide a thread that is actually critical of right-wing extremism on 4chan.

>>7780771
But I'm not the dogshit christian troll guy. You and the other dog shit Christian trolls are all the dog shit Christian troll guys in this thread. :)

>>7780771
How is this thread critical of right-wing extremism? It's literally a thread where straight child rapists say "as a gay man" and "as a man with gay friends" over and over like the lying diseases they are.

>>7780759
I learned early on from the internet that other gays just do not care about gays from the country or what they think, but will quickly rush to talk about how apparently we are beaten here if we go outside or something.

No one will believe this either anyway, unless I agree with literally everything posted I'm just immediately tossed to the side and called a liar. Have fun with the thread I guess.

>>7780792
But you're just another lying straight cis pedo rapist like you were the last time you posted you dog shit. :)

>>7780804
Sliding this thread doesn't really do anything besides show that this is an "inconvenient" conversation to have on this board.

>>7780813
What are you even talking about? I picked a random thread. All of the other threads are full of straight cis pedophile Christians as well. Orange shit isn't substantially better or worse than green shit, brown shit, black shit or red shit.

>>7780535
Why aren't you out "bashing the fash", leftist? I mean, it's what you all circlejerk about, how cool political terrorism is.

>>7780718
>they're bad, but there aren't very many of them, relatively speaking
>so let's bring in hordes of them like they've done in Sweden

Brilliant, senpai.

>>7780674

Ok. Thank you.

I think that's the first answer which actually addressed my question.

I'm not surprised that you did not notice it. I think we all mostly only pay attention to the things that involve us. But this constant social pressure is real. I can remember when I first started getting spat on people from the projects and wall street bankers alike--and being constantly hit on by the cab driers--it was so so hurtful--and then one day I was walking down perl street to work and the whole construction crew just stopped and stood up and started clapping at me.

I still don't know what that was about, but it seemed very different from the usual cat calls.To this day--I ran off because I'm very shy.

Ok, I don't want to talk about politics anymore. And we got way off the subject.

But people like me are not your enemy. Enemies of democracy are Vladmir Putin.
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>>7780077
>but I don't understand why anyone in the LGBT community would be so nihilistic.
Show me how Trump will have any negative impact on LGBT people.

>This whole flirtation with fascism is so deeply disturbing and frightening.
Show me how he's a fascist.

>>7780880
Don't reply to yourself you living dog shit.

>>7780098
>Most likely because they grew up in a better time to be transgender than earlier generations and haven't experienced real discrimination and oppression from the conservatives who have vowed to eliminate LGBT from existence.

It's hilarious how much old leftards treat their own success as a bad thing.
It's GOOD that lgbt people these days barely experience discrimination. You did your job. Now there's other shit to worry about. Not everything is about lgbt rights.

>>7780098
They're cis straight pedophiles. They're not trans.

>>7780896

One, I did not reply to my self. You can see that if you actually follow that comment track, rather than just reacting hatefully and emotionally.

Also, why on earth would you be so mad at me as to call me "dog shit"? I'm sorry, but I just have to ask do you have a reason for this irrational hostility? What is it?

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>>7780890

>Show me how Trump will have any negative impact on LGBT people.

Honestly? I can't even tell if this is ignorance or just disingenuous.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/11/so-far-every-member-of-trumps-cabinet-opposes-lgbt-rights.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/12/15/trump-cabinet-who-who-homophobia/9UDr8MnXIQAxjO369qzT0J/story.html
http://www.advocate.com/politics/2016/12/05/no-lgbt-ally-would-appoint-cabinet
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trumps-antigay-cabinet-and-lgbtq-rights_us_584c7744e4b0171331051158
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-cabinet-appointments-lgbt-records-stances-president-elect-white-house

Taking the time to establish that he is a mini-mussolini (but with smaller hands) we can do this, but I don't think it needs to go beyond his tweets.

At this point, you're not seriously advocating that we don't have your senile racist grandpa fawing putin lover for president?

>>7780674
>even if in the case of Trumps death he became POTUS he would not be able to send LGBT peoples to shock therapy.

To clarify, he wouldn't do that anyway. The shock therapy thing is 100% a hoax. All Pence did in the past was argue that, while treatment of HIV/AIDS should be funded in general, the government can't be simultaneously supporting the lifestyles that lead to HIV/AIDS (ie, homosexuality). Which is stupid and incorrect, but if you look at it from the perspective of someone who thinks being gay is like doing drugs and that only gay people get AIDS, it makes sense. It'd be silly to give government funding to heroin support groups run by drug dealers.
In regards to conversion therapy, he supports it as an option for those who want it, but has never to my knowledge suggested people should be forced into it unwillingly. Nor has he ever said anything about shock therapy specifically, that's just a sensationalised example of conversion therapy that fearmongerers like to hold up as if he specifically advocates for it.

(Though personal disclaimer, I think conversion therapy should simply be outlawed as it's proven to be ineffective and damaging, so anyone who desires it is by definition being misled. This is an actual example of the faulty logic he was implementing earlier; all encouraging conversion does is feed into the kind of mental state that leads to reckless sexual behaviour, suicide, etc).

Pence's own words:
>Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act ((which provides federal funding for H.I.V./AIDS patients)) only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.

>>7780983

Oh my god. You just repeated a lie a second time. This is a verifiable fact.

Why are you lying so much and so angry at me? I just wanted to open a channel of conversation.

>>7780973
>all talking about his cabinet
>5 fucking articles talking about the exact same thing as if that makes it overwhelming evidence and not the same thing said 5 times
>surprise surprise, a bunch of republicans aren't big on the gays

Show me how TRUMP is anti-LGBT. I've never heard him say anything on the matter that wasn't supportive.

>>7781003

Ok. Let's talk.

Are you any flavor of LGBT?

>>7781017

That's irrelevant.

Show me anything Trump has said that is anti-LGBT. Show me any move he plans to take that will negatively impact LGBT people. If my rights are in danger, I'd like to know, but all the left wants to do is screech autistically, and at a certain point it just seems like a fearmongered masochism fantasy.

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>>7780725
>mfw gay kid in gym class, everybody put their butt against the wall whenever we were in the changing room, including me

lol

>>7781027

I'm not sure that's totally irrelevant. I think it's hard to deeply understand the effect of anti-black bias if you are not black, and hard to understand anti-gay bias if you are not gay.

Some times, it helps to just stop being so angry all the time, and stop. And open up your ears, and listen.

Trump was elected on the most anti-lgbt Republican platform in history. This is not a matter for internet debate, you can go and look it up yourself an compare it to the Republican parties' previous platforms. You can go out and verify this for yourself. This is not make believe.

It's not make believe that every single one of his appointees with an opinion on LGBT affairs are irrationally anti-gay. Mike Pense is not an accident.

Along with abortion, he's going to kill gay marriage, and do as much as he can to make me into a non-person.

>>7781065
>anti-black bias if you are not black, and hard to understand anti-gay bias if you are not gay.
Goo thing we're not discussing biases, and are discussing tangible impacts of government policy.

>Some times, it helps to just stop being so angry all the time, and stop. And open up your ears, and listen.
I'm TRYING to listen. Tell me something. Where have I expressed any anger? All I've done is ask why I'm supposed to be concerned.

>Trump was elected on the most anti-lgbt Republican platform in history.
Show me how. Saying it again doesn't equate to giving more evidence.

>you can go and look it up yourself
I wasn't in a coma these last few months, I saw his campaign. And if your attempt to engage with someone asking a qustion is simply "look it up," then maybe you should pick your battles better.
I genuinely don't understand how you can have such passionate, concrete views without being able to easily back them up.

>he's going to kill gay marriage
He has stated outright that he supports the supreme court decision.

>>7781081
>muh discrimination doesn't exist
>just because I'm lying in the name of Jesus doesn't mean I've ignoring you or that I'm a human capable of emotions!
>muh denying observable reality!
>nuh-uh!
>duuuuuh!

>>7781027

But I think my original question was, how could it come to pass that LGBT people would choose to hurt themselves?

What I'm getting back is that actual policies don't matter as much as emotion.

So what is it about the emotional attachment for Trump and the emotional dislike of Hillary? Is this gut satisfaction really more important than your own well-being?

I'm trying to not use inflammatory words. I want to understand and repsect your choice, even if I disagree. But I haven't see much thought in other than a handful of posts.

Why?

>>7781065
so usually i don't make thoughtful posts on 4chan b/c it's generally a waste, but you seem to be a generally thoughtful poster so here goes

i'm largely sympathetic to your views on this but i'll play a little devil's advocate

no one questions clinton would have been better than trump on lgbt rights
but not everything is a black or white issue

perhaps the most recent rnc platform as "the most anti-lgbt" in history. but that doesn't reflect a change in policy positions. the republican party has, it's almost irrefutable, become more amenable to lgbt rights over time, not less. the reason there are more anti-lgbt provisions is because the last four years (since the 2012 platform) have seen a profusion of (imo rightful) demands from the lgbt community to their equal rights. gay marriage, trans facilities access, public accommodations—these issues have (with remarkable speed) turned against conservatives in the past four years. which explains renewed conservative attention on these issues

re: "every single one of his appointees with an opinion on LGBT affairs are irrationally anti-gay"? that also is not so clear to me. betsy devos, for example? people say she'll roll back the DOE guidance. but many think her record has been misconstrued. the times did a piece on this. her history reflects someone supportive of trans rights. in any event, not so black and white

going to kill gay marriage: i doubt this. is obergefell vulnerable to attack? the texas supreme ct granted cert on a case that would chip away at it, but i find it hard to believe scotus would move. you're not replacing kennedy with gorsuch, you're replacing scalia, who was about the most anti-lgbt justice i can think of. even if rgb croaks, at the least the black letter law of obergefell is entrenched, built up a ton of reliance interests, and i don't think would be particularly vulnerable under the court's usual stare decisis analysis

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>>7780759
oh god it is back
the ":))) sweaty" fag

>>7781122
Who the fuck cares about gay marriage?

I'm not saying there aren't smaller political issues in the world, but literally what could they possible be?

>>7781118
>how could it come to pass that LGBT people would choose to hurt themselves?
And my answer is "I don't see how we're hurting ourselves, please demonstrate."

>What I'm getting back is that actual policies don't matter as much as emotion.
Well that's dumb.

>So what is it about the emotional attachment for Trump and the emotional dislike of Hillary?
I have none of either and I don't know why you'd assume I not only have one of these, but both. Extreme dissatisfaction with both candidates what pretty much the whole problem with this election.
But Trump is the president now and that's simply reality, I'm not going to #NotMyPresident over a fair democratic election. I wish him the best because I'd rather he do a good job than for the country to devolve into chaos just so that certain people can say "I told you so."

Maybe that's bad form on my part to enter into a conversation specifically directed to people who were passionately in favour of Trump before the election, but my question, which I thought was very simple, still stands.
What threat does Trump pose to LGBT rights? Your entire premise relies on him being a threat, and I just don't see how he is, and I don't understand why this is so hard for people to back up.

>>7781081

You're really not at all interested in actual dialog, just winning internet points.

I mean, I hope that's true, at least. I think for your disdain for reality and preference for winning an discussion over mutually discovering truth, I think I'm just going to call you KellyAnne from now on.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/log-cabin-republicans-gop-party-platform-anti-lgbt/story?id=40564850

http://gawker.com/a-brief-and-ugly-history-of-the-gops-anti-lgbt-platform-1783934258


http://www.towleroad.com/2016/11/gop-platform/

http://www.advocate.com/election/2016/7/14/log-cabin-republicans-gop-platform-most-anti-lgbt-ever

Cheers,

KellyAnne

>>7781153
i wasn't the one who brought it up
but if you really can't think of smaller political issues in the world, you must not know jack shit about politics

>>7781165
No, I'm just more concerned with things that actually matter rather that virtue signalling.

>>7781160
>You're really not at all interested in actual dialog, just winning internet points.
It's rude to tell people what they're thinking.
How am I winning anything when all I've done is ask questions? I've presented no arguments to come out on top. Literally all anyone needs to do is present their case. If they can't do that, no one "wins." And if they can, then it really doesn't matter if I'm too thick to understand it or "too stubborn to accept it," as if I have a dog in the fight.

Checking out you're links and all are from before the election so if it was an issue, we already lost.
What threat is there PRESENTLY?
Admittedly, I apologise for seemingly shifting the goal-posts now. I know I did ask about his campaign in response to it being brought up, but that was a drift from the beginning and I shouldn't have gone down that road half-hearted.
My initial and only real concern is present threats.

>>7781176
yes, everyone who disagrees with you is "virtue signalling"

why you're not a dullard at all. please proceed professor

>>7780338
>Who will do absolutely nothing
You dont know that for sure. These people have shown before that if they can get away with pushing anti-LGBT anything to appeal to conservative bases, they would.

>>7781203
It's extremely telling that this post is your reaction when someone says other things are more important than your pet virtue signal.

>>7781228
yes, that's exactly what i said
keep flailing away at those straw men invading your safe space princess

>>7781097
You do realize you look like a retard? I'm not the one you argued with, btw, just to be clear.

I'm a gay conservative who sees leftypol as a bunch of retards gathered together and out of touch with reality. Here is trans leftypol, which is even more retarded than I expected.
You don't even realize that leftist ideology is against LGBT people and you are all supporting this like the sheeple you all are.
I live in a former communist (which is leftist, you fucking retards) country and let me tell you it was illegal to be gay until 2000.

Fucking idiocracy, I'm out of here.

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>>7780077
You don't even understand what the word fascism means. As a leftist, you undeniably advocate for:

>a State that seizes individual property for the "greater good"
>a State that imprisons those whose speech it does not approve of
>a State that denies dissidents their right to keep and bear arms

All textbook tenets of fascism. You leftists are the worst hypocrites, always whining about being "oppressed" while practically foaming at the mouth to crush man under the iron heel of the State. For all his faults, I voted for Trump because that was the only way to protect my fundamental rights and liberties from psychotic communists like you.

Donald Trump could've walked onstage in full Nazi regalia to the tune of "Preußens Gloria", thrown up three mighty "Sieg Heil!"s and subsequently pledged to eradicate all sodomites - but as long as he kept his promise to nominate conservative justices to the Supreme Court he would've had my vote.

>tl;dr the rights to property, arms, and speech are worth infinitely more than the right to marriage and buttfucking

>>7780136
They want to protect nonradical muslims. Just like Christians, there are alot of these people that dont agree with tossing gays off buildings. This administrations wants to vilify an entire religion while trying to turn america into a theocracy for another. At least the left doesn't want to guarantee that lgbt people become third class citizens.

also:

>I'm not saying there aren't smaller political issues in the world, but literally what could they possible be?

>It's extremely telling that this post is your reaction when someone says other things are more important than your pet virtue signal.

lol who do you think you're kidding with this
i'm not your idiotic townie friends, you dipshit

>>7781250

was in response to

>>7781228

btw

>>7781236
The only people who would think I look like a retard are those that disagree with me. Since I don't consider them human, I don't care what they think.

>>7781236
>You don't even realize that leftist ideology is against LGBT people and you are all supporting this like the sheeple you all are.
Oooh, do tell. I had a cushy nonthinking "left = good, right = bad" upbringing, blow my mind, son.

>I live in a former communist (which is leftist, you fucking retards) country and let me tell you it was illegal to be gay until 2000.
Yeah, but isn't that an "opposing extremes start to look alike" kind of thing? I mean, the fact that communism (at least in this incarnation) was anti-gay doesn't mean that the opposite extreme of fascism must be pro-gay.

At the end of the day, it kind of seems like general labels and presumed "guilt/virtue by association" are kind of meaningless, and that the only thing that can be trusted is "anti-gay is anti-gay, pro-gay is pro-gay," etc.

same poster as here
>>7781257

he funny thing is that my post WAS DEFENDING TRUMP

but the inbred alt-right scum on this board are throwing haymakers at anything that moves

>>7780077
>Trump
>Facist
Someone is retarded. Trump administration is (sadly) nothing like Hitlers and he supports gays.

>>7781264
I can't tell what you're saying.

>>7781278
big surprise there

>>7781243
You didn't read their "bible", the koran. There is no such thing as non-radical muslim. It specifically asks its followers to do anything to advance the muslim "religion", including deceit and/or murder. The peaceful deceit is also part of Jihad.

It goes like that: they say anything to trick the infldels, the latter believe their words, then after everything is set, Sharia law becomes official and the infidels, including the helpful and protective ones, are demanded to convert to islamism or - if they refuse - to die by execution (usually beheading).

You are delusional if you are there are friendly muslims.

>>7781261
You want a real pro-gay political ideology? That libertarianism. I chose conservatism because I'm not an idiot who puts his sexual orientation above anyone's best interests.

>>7781260
>Since I don't consider them human, I don't care what they think.

You did respond to my post, idiot. You care. Now bug off.

>>7781309
I have no idea what that means you dog shit, but kill yourself.

>>7781310

This post sums up the current political climate in a nutshell.

>>7781310
Nice. You can dish out, but you can't take it. You have proven my point, idiot. Carry on.

>>7781282
There's no communicating with you and that's your choice.

>>7780077
but trump isnt against lgbt though

>>7781318
He said he will protect LGB (not sure about T) people, but the idiots won't get ths.

>>7780157
[citation Needed]

>>7781316
boy you sure put me in my place
the best part is how you substantively engaged my argument, instead of shrieking about virtue signalling and your safe space like an inbred corn pone

>>7780227
>>List was concucked by Obama
Are you fucking kidding me?
Are you just pulling everything out of your ass?

>>7780077
>This whole flirtation with fascism is so deeply disturbing and frightening.

it's also completely a meme

>>7781316
i'll make things easier you dipshit

my post is right here
>>7781122

respond to a single point you pearl clutching corn pone

At least when the Repiblicans ran home crying after Obama's election, it was funny and largely ignorable. The left need to grow the fuck up.

>>7780329
>I don't want my country to be white minority
Holy shit, are you serious? You think whites are going to be a minority anytime soon?

>>7781325
You need common sense. Christians live in 21st century, muslims in 7th century. (I'm not the one you were arguing with.)

>>7781314
Nice diseasepost, pedophile.

>>7781313
Exactly. Whereas before the Christian pedophile diseases were the only ones not compromising, now liberals are also not comprising. It's a good change.

Solution: Nuke everyone.

>>7781342
Any time you want you can make real posts and engage properly. I'll see replies as I'm replying to constructive people. If you don't, as is likely, nothing I can do.

>>7781347

https://usnews.newsvine.com/_news/2013/06/13/18934111-census-white-majority-in-us-gone-by-2043?lite

>>7781389
translation: i'll stay in my safe space because i'm afraid of engaging arguments that challenge my preconceived notions

this is proof positive that public schools have failed us

>>7781414
Being a Christian disease is not an argument.

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>>7781322
>T
>people

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>>7781359
Wow, call me a pedo and I'll kill you. Roman Catholics priests are pedo and I'm not a part of any of this.

You are mentally ill because you can't even realize how entrenched in leftist propaganda you are. Disgusting piece of shit.

Christians are not pedophile, but muslims, blacks (those still in Africa especially) and the democrats who pretend to be better than they are (Hitlary being one of them). There are a few Republicans, but their number is smaller. I did collect pedogate facts, retard.

>>7781425
I understand where you are coming from, but they call themselves people. Humor them and they won't trouble you. Disagree with them and they eat you alive.

>>7781353
>Christians live in 21st century
Thats the biggest oxymoronic statement I have ever heard. The very state of being a christian is following the words of an over-edited piece of 2000 year old fanfiction. The onl palpable difference between christians and muslims is that muslims never made it out of the desert.

>>7781122

Well, I'm a thoughtful person who doesn't usually post on 4chan or anywhere else.

But I really appreciate your post. It's an considered response, and it deserves something well thought in response. But I can't do that now because I am fading fast.

I originally came on here because I was curious, curious about why people would hurt themselves. I'm still not entirely sure. But one component seems to be that our new virtual world has helped divorce what we choose to believe from what is real.

That's not always bad. I think like a platonist even though I know it's just judgements and rules in type theory. It's just easier to imagine pi is real.

I think we need to figure out a way to interact online that does not reward internet troll points and leader worship and tribalism, but rather constructive contribution.

>>7781445
They live in more places than the desert, moron. Europe seems to be their favorite, especially Sweden and Germany.

There are many different kinds of Christians, but most of them live in this century, because they come to - at least partially - agree with some of the modern tenets, like tolerance for gays. Don't expect that from muslims.

>>7781292
The christian bible has shit like that too and just like christians there are muslims who dont subscribe to certain readings of passages in their holy book. Im sorry you never encountered a muslim that wasnt a caricature.

>>7781472
>Christians
>modern tenets, like tolerance for gays.
I want to live in whatever dreamworld you live in.

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>>7781466

I guess it doesn't really matter.

>>7781472
>There are many different kinds of Christians

To assume that there arent many different kinds of muslims is irresponsibly naive.

>>7781474
Oh, please. It all depends on what kind of people the followers of certain religions are. It depends on sociological factors, mostly.

Like how Christians (more often than not) are non-violent, while muslims (more often than not) are violent, even only verbally. The muslims are like you, the moment you disagree with them they will lynch you (in way or another). You just don't get it.

If you encountered a friendly muslim, he is deceitful. The moment he is in power, he will turn against you. But you will not hear me "I told you so", because by then you'd be dead.

>>7781434
Eat sit an kill yourself you dog shit eating worthless rapist retard pedophile.

>>7781483
Try the western world. Big cities from Western Europe and USA, usually...

>>7781506
That's all you can do? You do limit yourself to insults because you like to trigger people like you let others to trigger you? You are a big fucking moron.

>>7781292

Hardly anybody reads their own bible, regardless of religion. These aren't robots, perfectly executing a program that they load from a book. Most of them are just animals going to the same house of worship their parents went to, and following the same shallow rituals, without clear understanding of (or interest in) the finer details of the dogma. Same as Christians.

You're a fool if you trust any animal to run a stable, civilized government, or to come up with a correct ideology, or to even consistently agree with its own beliefs. And there is nothing but animals... well except, you know, things that are even stupider. Plants, for instance.

We're all stupid. Your fantasy of Muslim supervillains can't be real, because real Muslims are as stupid as you are.

>>7781520
Funny, that's been your modus operandi when you can't answer something in this thread.

>>7781495
>The muslims are like you, the moment you disagree with them they will lynch you

But you dont actually know anything about me.

>If you encountered a friendly muslim, he is deceitful.
You could apply this logic to literally any group. You keep trying to deal in absolutes and thats childish. The world is alot more complicated than you would like to believe. Im sorry you cant handle the idea that a person from a certain group can be different than your preconceived notions of that group.

>>7781527
>Same as Christians.

Except they have differing attitudes. Christians are peaceful, muslims are violent. I'll repeat that until it is drilled in your head.

>We're all stupid. Your fantasy of Muslim supervillains can't be real, because real Muslims are as stupid as you are.

Unfortunately for you, they don't need supervillains. They are usual people who can do anything you can do. The problem is that they live in constant fear, not the kind you live with, it is like 100 times more powerful. There are social more that you can't skim or you pay with your life. Don't be delusional.

>>7781530
I did answer, you didn't want to accept my answers. Not my fault, only yours.

>>7781520
Whatever you dog shit. Stop posting, eat shit and kill yourself you infection.

>>7781542
Oh, I wish I was as naive as you are. The muslims aren't individualist as the western human is... they have a hive mind, a collective attitude with clear limits that you can't overstep or you die. It's that simple.

>>7781466

> I think we need to figure out a way to interact online that does not reward internet troll points and leader worship and tribalism, but rather constructive contribution.

There is one large-scale online forum I know of that does a respectably good job at this, and that is Stack Exchange. It has its problems but it gets the job done and generally puts content first, for real--not like how 4chan pretends to do with its anonymity, which merely turns almost everybody into Anon, who is a mean-spirited, impatient fool.

Small forums can also do it of course; if you personally know everybody else in the community (because there are only like twenty of you there) then it can work.

Otherwise, yeah, online forums are mostly garbage. :(

>>7781239

Oh my god. I'm sorry. I was interested in opening a dialog with you, well, with everyone.

But all of this hate-filled invective. I have the flue but I don't think that's what caused me to toss up my chicken soup.

You know I'm not like that at all. Why would you try to paint my words and person with imaginary bullshit like that? And then invoke a fucking nazi song?

omg I am so out of here and never ever coming back.

You win, hate-filled monster.

>>7781646

...Is this satire?

>>7781695
Yes, it responded to itself with disease after everyone ignored it's diseasepost. And then it asked itself if that was satire.

>>7780077
Do you have a single fact to back that up.jpg

>>7780077
>flirtation with fascism
Lol stopped reading right there

I bet you think CNN is unbiased too

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>>7780077
Kill yourself.
Thanks in advance.

>>7780077
You don't understand that people are sick of political correctness, politicians, the danger of islam, and would rather vote for a candidate that didnt have all their most horrible twofaced secrets presented to the public. A misogynist typical college frat boy president is still better than someone who literally would have been proven to be profiting off playing the middle east against each other in a manner worse than Bush fashion and that had their secret speeches to the wealthy elite where she vouched for them and admitted to a presenting a different face to the public than to the private wealthy elite and it was posted for the entire world to see. The whole islamophobic, homophobic, misogynist name calling push in the last couple years is exactly the far-left precursor that has occured in communist countries and it kills the farming and working classes out from under them. Its actually closer to fascism than the actual far right they are claiming is fascist, disregarding the actual fascists that will of course take the opportunity to be heard but no city in todays age takes them seriously. You should watch some of Christopher Hitchens talks with muslim women proclaiming it to be a feminist religion, its absolutely astounding and more shocking than anything the media has made Trump out to look like.

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>>7781065
>Some times, it helps to just stop being so angry all the time, and stop. And open up your ears, and listen.
You should be saying that to the left though.

People here forgot how to use their brains.

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>>7780846
>bring in hordes
>38,901 Muslim refugees in 2016
>almost the same number of Christians
>the most Christian refugees ever admitted into the U.S. since refugee religious affiliation became publicly available for analysis
>but hordes though!

People like you are more excitable than cockroaches in a well-lit room. You bought the con hook, line, and sinker.

>>7780999
Because they're trying to slide the thread. This happens, guaranteed, whenever the far right looks stupid and someone points it out on this board. If the thread is actually making headway and isn't immediately drowned out by the echobox, this same comically irrational anon with the same frantically tossed together argumentation and the same string of nonsense insults (Dogshit, christian, pedophile, etc.) appears out of the aether to slide the thread and provide an easily refutable strawman gay lib sockpuppet to any right-wing edgykid with two brain cells to rub together.

At first I thought it was a weird coincidence, but to date it has happened every damn time on this board and I have been here since it's inception. Same insults, same typing style, same type of thread (salient criticism of the far right and not immediately trolled to shit). He was actually a meme at some point, dogshit christian guy.

>>7780999

"dog shit," "disease," "christian," "pedophile," and "cishet," as insults are all calling cards of one of our resident psychos, don't worry about it.

>>7781914
What the fuck are you talking about you little disease. You're worthless pedo thread will still be here on this slow as board collecting dust three weeks from now unless you delete it in an autism-fueled, child raping fit of paranoia and defeat.

>>7780880
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Putin


GET OUT SHILL
GET THE FUCK OUT YOU FUCKING ANGLO SHILL
FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7781818
>A misogynist typical college frat boy president is still better than someone who literally would have been proven to be profiting off playing the middle east against each other
Like the "quagmire" that George HW started, his son George W. continued, and Obama inherited and attempted to quell? The perpetual cycle of war in the Middle East that Rex Tillerson, Trump's current SOC, profits from through the boom of Russian crude as the recently resigned former CEO of Exxon whose finances were put into a "blind trust"? The very type of unregulated avenue for business that Trump has been trying to solidify to strengthen his company's own holdings in Russia for over a decade? That kind of self-serving warmongering and profiteering? The type the CIA directly warned the media about but was drowned out through cries of "fake news"?

Trump's sons hold as of yet unused copyrights for his company's brand in Russia, and an immense desire to spread to Russia based on their father's pre-presidency business strategy and Russophilic tendencies leading all the way up to his in-the-family "half-blind trust", but no major deals due to current sanctions... sanctions that he plans to lift as one of his first acts as president presumably against the will of congress.

>"Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?"
>-DJT, June 18, 2013

But if this is the only actual response to critique of the Putin connection here, it's not really surprising how this place is such an echobox.
>>7782043

>>7781931
See what I mean?

>>7782061
I was meming but you have to realize that democracy and republicanism is not in any way inherently better than authoritarianism.

The US has been falling for 60 years since the boomers indebted us, we'll have a minority majority.

In every historical example of minority majority (besides white, western switzerland with a low population), there's ethnic warfare and balkanization.

>>7782068
I'm not going to stop treating you how everybody should treat all of your kind just because it makes you cry that one person treats a few of you that way, you living disease. :)

Also anyone who discounts racism as a bad thing is someone who cannot into empiricism.

The average South African IQ is literally fucking 70, that's mentally retarded for a white. They will not succeed in our society and they have not.

Some African tribes have 70+% who are actually fucking retarded with average IQs of 60.

>>7782077
>I was only meming but really though I agree with the meme
>corrupt and economically troubled constitutional republic not any better than overt and completely unchecked fascist authoritarian oligarchy with modern surveillance tech

You're wrong but ok. See you in the work camps I guess.

>>7782077
>>7782082
Well at least you're no longer hiding your bullshit behind actual diplomacy, business ethics, and faux egalitarian moralizing. It's just outright racism as a political stance now to excuse all of Trump and his cabinet's blatant fuckery. The honesty is refreshing, but that's about it.

>>7780282
"team White" does not consider your life to be of any value. You're a parasite, you consume without reproducing and just go around being degenerate all the time.

>>7780413
Are they actually against it, or do they just see it as a distraction from the class struggle and oppose how it's been commercialized into a consumerist meme?

>>7780426
Being a Communist doesn't mean you have to do everything the way historical Communist countries did though.

>>7780837
There aren't any fash where I live because I don't live in a third-world shithole

>>7781239
What good are those rights if you live in a country that hates you and passes laws against your lifestyle?
>you get to keep your property, but get thrown in jail for sodomy
>you get to criticize the government, but get thrown in jail for sodomy
>you get to keep and bear arms, but are hopelessly outgunned by the government that hates you since most straights are indifferent at best

>>7781292
>I know better than Muslims what Islam is about
>All Muslims follow their holy book to the letter, even though 0% of Christians do

>>7781434
>pedogate facts
Like the fact that Illuminati Jews rape children in a nonexistent basement? And that real life is just some video game where the conspiracy which secretly rules the world is dropping hints all over the place for a NEET like you to devote your life to uncover?

>>7781761
TOP KEK!

>>7781774
CNN is bad, but the real retards are the ones who think Breitmeme and Youtube are better. That's like hearing that stuffing your face with chocolate is unhealthy, so you start stuffing your face with literal sewage instead.

>>7781362
good idea

>>7782061
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

Literally pizzagate tier garbage. I'm all for someone in Trump's cabinet spilling the beans to Wikileaks if he does anything shady, but there is absolutely no proof of Trump trying to personally profit from the middle east at the expense of America other than saying that "he could" like fucking Christopher Hitchens could have converted to Christianity on his death bed.

>>7780077
Are you a particle physicist?

>>7780077
people voted trump because they hate the establishment

the fact that people in the 1960s hated the establishment and ended up creating the current situation (with a little help from russia) appears to be lost on them

>>7783679
oh, also, we get to listen to awful hippie bloviating but now it's about "meme magic" and "kek"

>>7780077
nice bait

>>7783714
you can't just call everything bait

>>7782116
Trump's cabinet is classical liberal at best, they're no friends of mine.
Civic nationalism and ethno-nationalism are incompatible.

>>7780077
>LGBT
>racists
>fascism

truly top-tier mental illness

>>7783721
Nice bait

Because Nazis are hot. Fascism is stylish. Its the ultimate gay secret pleasure.

mmmmmm... fascism..

>>7780282
this. im on team white. Now if blacks and mexicans and azans and muslims want to back away from identity politics.... I will back away as well. Until then we are just slowly reaching for pistols. Except whites have a bigger gun. Thats why everyone is afraid of white identity politics.

>>7781347
we absolutely are. Sweden is already at least 20% non-white that is after only TWO DECADES.

White children in USA just officially became a minority (<50%) in 2015 as well.

Soon the country of Nigeria will have a larger population than the entire European continent.


And the lefties will be begging us to take in all those poor wittle nigerians who need a "better life"

>>7781567
muslims only become violent because they are idiots who dont actually read their own holy book deeply or learn from legit (its like goddamn tv preachers) imams on this stuff and let misguided power seeking imams and other fags who pretend to be imams and all want to be the islamic messiah and purge israel and they use bullshit interpretations of colonialist thought to inflame passerby muslims who usually dont care into becoming extreme

honestly liberal muslims are our best allies in changing things so they need to be protected. all the same its wrong to call islam inherently peaceful it is modern imams and scholars who are making it peaceful; it is more secularized people who are muslims who make things better, hurting them makes things worse. muslims need to get a taste of muh freedoms so they can be like christians and get past crusades era hang ups. more bigotry just gives the psycho imams and wahhabi fags fodder, and guillible people are convinced easily that to be a good muslim they gotta fight back against the bigoted world that universally hates muslims. desu we should be killing these imams with drones; we should wipe them out because if extremists dont implode they explode on everyone else, but muslims here dont have anything to do with that. most get a taste of americanism and love it and throw away their passivity about the extremists. in middle east people are enablers of it by pretending they could never be made to do terrible things for their god; then ironically when the cultish wahhabi convince them they forget their objections.

its almost culture war desu they perform jihad through misinformation and some western muslims are honestly so stupid "just tolerate our religion" (lol extreme shariah is not tolerant) but its like the extremists love it. it confuses sympathetic liberals. you should hate these people and not the religion, but liberals hate to admit that yeah its in these muslims quran...

>>7781118
>What I'm getting back is that actual policies don't matter as much as emotion.
>So what is it about the emotional attachment for Trump and the emotional dislike of Hillary? Is this gut satisfaction really more important than your own well-being?
I just realized how bizarre and self contradictory this is.

Either policies matter more in which case Trump's fine, no homophobic policies at all as of yet or on the horizon.

Or else emotions matter more, in which case the "gut satisfaction" seems by definition to be not just more important than but *identical to* one's well-being? So... either way, an LGBT individual choosing Trump over Hillary makes perfect sense?