Is the alt-right our friend or our enemy?

Enemy.

>>7762254
The "alt right" as in /pol/ is retarded and evil. Basically a less dangerous, less numerous version of Islam and feminism.

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They are a loosely organized group of retards. They like homos, but I wouldn't really count on them for anything other than starting a shitstorm of some sort.

>>7762270
How is /pol/ a version of feminism?

>>7762254
Enemy, but a weak one. So weak that they're an ironic friend at times.

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>>7762254
Neither. It isn't anything to anyone. The "alt-right" is a total meme. The people associated with the "alt-right" do not consider themselves to be "alt-right".

If you're talking about actual Neo-Nazis, they are our enemy.

If you're talking about /pol/, there are both friends and enemies to /lgbt/ on that board, as well as plenty of anons who just don't give a flying fuck about us.

If you're talking about the alternative that the mainstream media calls "alt-right" or "fake news" (Alex Jones for example), they are most definitely our friends.

>>7762254
If islam and feminism were out of the picture then the would be little different than christian theocrats.

>>7762293
>they are most definitely our friends.

How?

>>7762300
In Alex Jones case, he is less concerned with "degeneracy", drug use, sex and so on, than he is with NWO elites screwing everyone over.
No saying he is right about the NWO but he does not care about what we do in our personal lives.

>>7762282
It's an internally inconsistent, hypocritical hate movement.

>>7762300
Well speaking of Alex Jones specifically, he has been speaking truth to power since the early days of the GWB administration and he recently helped to expose the truth about those who would pretend to be our friends.

>>7762318
>helped to expose the truth about those who would pretend to be our friends.
That only means that we do not have friends at all.
But anyone could tell you that.

>>7762254
its a bunch of virgin nerds and a self loathing faggot

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>>7762330
In the words of Rogers Waters:

>Hey you, don't tell me there's no hope at all

>Together we stand, divided we fall

>>7762270
You've never been on /pol/

>>7762361
It's important to know who we can rely on, who will stab us in the back when we aren't looking and who will stab us in the back when we are.

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>>7762377
I think we can rely on Alex Jones to keep on fighting the same fight he has been fighting for many years. He's not about to pull off a mask and reveal himself to be Ted Cruz.

>>7762399
Just because someone is useful doesn't mean he's an ally.

The alt-right isn't real but a lot of /pol/ are our allies.

>>7762438
This isn't a war you triple nigger, stop treating everyone as allies or enemies like you're playing some grand strategy 4d chess game.

>>7762453
>this 2020-3
>not picking your side for the upcoming civil war

kys centrist fag

>>7762254
I see alt-right thrown around so much these days it might as well be anyone right of socialism. So I don't fucking know

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>>7762254
An ally if we can redpill them that LGBT isn't 100% tumblr and leftism and at least 30% of the people here arent leftists

>>7762370
???

>>7762438
Useful to you and not against you = ally

>>7762467
The civil war is going to be left vs right and a race war all in one
If your a minority and lean right, find some white-right friends to vouch for you when the rebels come a knockin

>>7762254
At best, they are the enemy of our enemy.

>>7762278
A lot of them are against homosexual behavior though.

>>7762361
In the words of some guy

>Why did I order the extra jalapenos
>Holy fuck my asshole is melting

>>7762505
I'm an ethnic minority and not an Uncle Tom so yeah no.

>>7762505
>race war
I don't think so, Tim.

>>7762521
Good for you. All of us should be proud of our heritage. You don't need to compromise with Nazi LARPers to be on the side of freedom in any potential civil conflict.

>>7762467
I'll be going with the guys who have guns and don't like Muslims

>>7762545
If theres a civil war then there will also be a race war, at least in the US

Here the second the laws break down and there is confusion it will not be a good day for minorities. Asians will probably be left alone.

>>7762521
>Good for you. All of us should be proud of our heritage.
I dont get it. How are you defining Uncle Tom?

What makes an Uncle Tom in your eyes?

Also what heritage is there to be proud of? Warlords in Africa making clay dolls, setting people on fire, and selling their own people into slavery to the Jews, Arabs, and Europeans?

>>7762254
Considering they largely want us dead while pretending to want us alive because Muslims?

I'd say enemies.

>>7762254
I have no idea what alt-right is. But I think conservatives are fine. Progress does work just be patient.

I feel the racial edge of it all. I have to admit I am tired of the left and "minorities" attacking whites politically

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>>7763210
Torontofag here. This was my red suppository.

>>7762991
>Also what heritage is there to be proud of? Warlords in Africa making clay dolls, setting people on fire, and selling their own people into slavery to the Jews, Arabs, and Europeans?
Well I think that's kind of the point. All cultures have a pretty fucked up histories, I mean while the Africans were doing all that, the Europeans were burning people for having the wrong religion, and despite being supposedly the "superior, enlightened race", when they arrived in Africa they saw no problem with buying slaves. Not to mention that for several centuries they went around colonizing distant lands, attacking natives and taking their land without any real provocation. The Africans were really only hurting themselves, the Europeans went around harming other peoples. Don't take this as an anti-European rant though, I'm of exclusively European ancestry myself, and recognize how much of today's technology and philosophy was created by Europeans. It's more that you shouldn't be too serious about taking pride in your heritage, because ultimately, humans are pretty fucked up, and so if you acknowledge the bad parts as well as the good parts of your ancestors, you're going to have to acknowledge that they did some pretty messed up stuff.

I couldn't give a shit if people want to be sodomites. Liking traps isn't gay so I don't count as a sodomite.

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>>7763249

> implying the alt-right is anything more than a machination of the Clinton campaign in order to rally people against a common enemy

>>7763276
The alt right literally call themselves that though, and have been doing so long before 2016. All the Clinton campaign did is popularize the term, and cause some confusion as to its precise meaning.

>>7762254
Enemy, you'd have to be willfully blind to not see that. They're trying to court your support now and will turn on you when your usefulness as a token minority is at an end.

>>7763287
>The alt right literally call themselves that
Literally the only person I know of who calls himself alt-right is Richard Spencer, who is sort of like a Neo-Nazi except the real Neo-Nazis make fun of him.

>siding with people who, at best, are willing to tolerate your existence as long as you don't do stupid shit like ask for equal rights with straights

They are retarded and less evolved

>>7762278
Last time I was on /pol/ there were several threads on the front page about why homosexuality needs to come with a death penalty.

>>7762293
>a total meme
More like a way that outsiders classify a group of new extreme right wingers. They are nebulous and I have met few who use the title. I would say enemy, for sure, but it would do us well to learn each strain instead of shouting "NAZI!"

>>7763240
Its not fucked up history Im talking about, I dont mind the violence of history. The world is inherently violent.

Its the fact that Africa doesnt have the history or uniqueness of any other culture
Everyone else moved on

>>7763373
>taking /pol/ seriously

>>7763380
>a way that outsiders classify a group of new extreme right wingers
It's often applied to people who are not even right wingers. My own political ideas fall on the libertarian left, and I have been called alt-right just for pointing out disturbing facts about Hillary Clinton.

>>7762453
Everything is a war.

>>7762545
>You don't need to compromise with Nazi LARPers to be on the side of freedom in any potential civil conflict.
THIS! This is why I do not view them as an ally at all. They don't want freedom. They just want to shout about freedom long enough to get back into the mainstream so they can be the ones dicking us. Freedom of speech for them is what gay rights were for the left. We need freedom of speech and we need rights for the LGBT, but we don't need to hang out with the snake oil salesmen who showed up when it was most convenient.

>>7762991
>if theres a civil war then there will also be a race war
Dude, most SJW's are fucking white. I know two, TWO, minorities who back this kind of thinking. And I know a lot of minorities and I know a lot of people who back the stupid bull shit.

>>7763320
>Richard spensor is the only one who calls himself alt-right
I know a guy irl who uses the term.

>>7763419
Not all of /pol/ is a meme. Run into them places other than here, and they often times really mean the hell out of what they are saying!

>It's often applied to people who are not even right wingers.
I completely agree and we align similarly. I am just saying like Nazi, or Racist, or Communist, or Dictator, it had some real meaning, and still does if we go by the books. But dumb fucks and intentional misleaders muddied the terms.

>>7763426
I always thought alt-right was like a way to disassociate with crazy neo-conservatives that become extremely un-electable after bush era.

But now I'm finding out that theyre neo-nazi's and KKK? Which is too bad, I thought it would be good term for more true conservative or classic liberals.

>>7763432
>Not all of /pol/ is a meme.
That is true. I actually had a real life Neo-Nazi show up to a Dungeons and Dragons game at my house once. After he started drinking he got to talking about his admiration for the Schutzstaffel. Needless to say he was never invited back. It's weird because he was knew I was a fag but still wanted to be my friend. I think a lot of these people are mentally ill, maybe even self-loathing homos. But I digress.

>dumb fucks and intentional misleaders muddied the terms
Exactly, but I have never really understood what alt-right ACTUALLY means, by the books.

>>7763455
I wouldn't really call the KKK alt-right. They are sort of getting left behind in the digital age. Which is sad because they were easy to keep track of. But ya know, c'est la vie. We too, shall adapt.

>>7762254
I'm in a bad spot here because I voted for Trump but I hate /pol/ with a passion, not because of their ideals but because they can't stop shitting other boards with whatever they like.

/k/ tranny here and these past months were hell, place filled with noguns spewing bullshit and larping as templars.

Also I'm salty because they don't even know about our funny shit like inawoods threads and try to shitpost on them because it doesn't fit their idea of what /k/ should be. Basically a bunch of newfags from the_donald.

Yeah I'm this salty.

>>7763419
>>taking /pol/ seriously
Refusing to take /pol/ seriously is how we got into this mess.

>>7763501
What mess?

>>7763461
>mentally ill
You hit that one right on the head of the pin! My irl alt-right friend has had some homosexual tendencies, will go weeks with no sexual attraction at all, then will be into children, thinks that a man inside of his head created the universe, once bit a huge part of his arm off because somebody sneezed on it, and will occasionally forget things he does daily.And he went to a gifted school for programmers, his favorite things being hacking and chemistry, so ya know, yay for future alt-right terrorist friend!

>not understanding what it means by the books
Digital age means it got muddled so fast I am not sure that we ever got a by the books definition, which is sad, because if people like Clinton really wanted to fight it she'd know how important that would be to the situation.

>>7763511
>into children
>once bit a huge part of his arm off
Jesus Christ, anon. How can you even maintain a friendship with someone that far gone?

>I am not sure that we ever got a by the books definition
This is why I just call it a total meme. Of course there are real Neo-Nazis out there. Let's keep calling them Neo-Nazis, it's been working this long.

>>7763528
>How can you even maintain a friendship with someone that far gone?
I met him when I was about done with highschool and he was just entering. Everybody in my little circle said he was just like me when I was younger, so I took a liking to him. Tried to show him right from wrong since apparently nobody else was going to. But the similarities between the two of us they saw were the warning signs of Schizophrenia. I had more support than him so I didn't wind up getting way gone, and I have gotten to where I can even live alone. He is hard to talk to, but I just want him to know if he wants to work on his shit, somebody who has seen that dark path is willing to try to walk him back. I think he graduates soon.

>Calling them Neo-Nazis has been working
I would say it has done the opposite. Nazi is actually a thing you self identify as, not an adjective like racist.And some Nazis hate the alt-right. Some alt-righters hate Nazis. I think we need a few smart people with time and resources to figure out each branch, learn about every different type of Fascist in that soup. Calling them out one at a time will do well. If you show even a small difference between the groups, well Nazism wasn't founded on ignoring differences and they are all at least Nazi-esque. Let's put it this way. Going after Nazis to end the alt-right would be like screwing over Iran to end Sunni terror. That would show ignorance, empower the fighters, and cause a power vacume all at once.

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it is definitely our enemy.
if they are vocally offering their support, it's only so they can fuck us over in the future.
they have admitted to being sleazy, lying scumbags who see everyone else as fucking chessmen, & laughed about it.
they are not our friends.
it's never safe to assume that we have a place among anyone

>>7763579
>everything about your friendship
I think that is really brave of you to keep on trying to be a good friend and mentor for a guy like that. You are amazing.

>everything about Nazis
Hmm, I am annoyed by how complicated this makes things, but I know you are right.

>>7763580
>they have admitted to being sleazy, lying scumbags who see everyone else as fucking chessmen, & laughed about it.
[citation needed]

>>7763419
Libertarians like you are just alt-righters in waiting

>>7763608
That poster is a leftist, not a libertarian.

>>7763426
What is your comment about minorities supposed to mean?

>>7763498
Why would /pol/ go to /k/ to advocate for no guns policy?

>>7763608
>big·ot·ry
>intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

>>7763606
4 years ago when I used to lurk on /r/European remember many users saying how they should prioritize Muslims and leave other undesirables like Jews, Asians and gay alone for the moment or even court their support.

>>7763594
>to my potential bravery
On some level, maybe. But also he lives like 5-10 minutes from me. Compassion and empathy for a fellow sufferer of mental illness are definitely part of it, but I mean, when he starts making bombs I would definitely live close enough to be effected when everybody becomes a secret Jew according to the man in his head. I'd like to not see half of my hometown blown up by a Nazi twink.

>how complicated this makes things
I have a way of viewing it to make it less complicated for me. View the Alt-Right like Islam. There are sects. Nazis are Quranic, your EthnoNationalists, New Rhodesia(Hitler dindu nuffin but I am not a Nazi) types would be your Sunnis, the basic German Nordic Anglo supremecist would be Shia, just as psycho but a bit more grounded in the reality that they don't get to kill people. Your meme masters are the cultural Muslims who while they don't eat pork or suck dick, you look at them and are pretty sure they don't want to blow you up for putting either in your mouth.Not sure if Cultural Muslim would be the best phrase since their culture is shit, but I was going for like, "Cultural Jews" that do the customs to be with family but don't believe in God. Definitely similar Muslims to that, especially in America.

>>7763615
>libertarian left
>>7763638
>letting a fifth column fester in your own group
Yeah no

>>7763618
That the people pushing BLM and other such cancers have a tendency to be white, ergo, won't be a race war if we see some shit popping off.

>>7763637
No anon, they are nogun LARPers that can only do one thing, roleplay as crusaders or ss officers while they never held a gun in their lives.

It's a sad thing and the board quality is going to shit because of them, most of their weapon knowledge comes from playing video games.

>>7762494
You're confusing /pol/ with Stormfront faggotry. If you've ever actually been there you'd realize /pol/ is basically a combination of old /b/ and /news/.

>>7763660
Also you'd also know the majority of /pol/ laughs at the alt-right label.

>>7763660
Stormfags and /pol/ definitely have some cross over. Like a solid amount of it.

>>7763648
>I'd like to not see half of my hometown blown up by a Nazi twink.
You have to admit though, that would be one hell of a story.

>>7763672
Oh no doubt! And that whole argument of, "But are they really a threat?" In the back of my head I'd know it was because he was a psycho cunt, but I could just say the name of my city and show them my id to prove I am from there(would only do that move irl though! No pics of that!), and watch them tremble!

>>7763652
>libertarian
>left

>>7763654
lol what. All the leaders of BLM I've seen are black, I don't think you actually know any minorities.

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>>7763705
You must not be familiar with the all-encompassing political compass.

>>7763666
>/pol/ doesn't like to be called alt-right
>that means they're not alt-right

>>7763705
Exactly my point.

>>7763508
Having a meme for president.

>>7763637
Noguns doesn't mean someone who opposes gun ownership, it just means someone who doesn't own guns. The connotation of the term is ignorance of gun culture, rather than hostility to it.

>>7763638
That's not how real people use the term. Furthermore, not all opinions SHOULD be tolerated. If someone's opinion is that I should be killed for being trans, that's really not in the same category as thinking Star Wars is better than Star Trek. There's differences of opinion, and then there's wishing harm on an innocent human being.

>>7763723
Call down up and left right till the cows come home and make all the charts you want and the reality won't change.

>>7763668
That doesn't mean that Stormfront=/pol/

>>7763727
It's a pretty broad term that was barely even used until the election.

>>7763606
https://youtu.be/LY-_vilsrfU
in this video we hear about influential members of the alt-right community on reddit doing exactly that. track the video to 12:15
>>7763647 this

still think they can be trusted?

>>7763720
I said pushing you fucking illiterate. 60% of blacks and 40% of whites back BLM. Meaning it is supported by majority whites.

>>7763720
Also, say I thought BLM was just run by a bunch of whites, what in the fuck would that have to do with my knowing or not knowing minorities? For fuck's sake I'm engaged to an Asian!

>>7763790
>60% of blacks and 40% of whites back BLM.
[citation needed]

>>7763802
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/08/how-americans-view-the-black-lives-matter-movement/
Pew reputable enough for ya?

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>>7763754
>meme for president.
The alternative was Hillary Clinton, so I'd say we got the lesser evil.

>That's not how real people use the term.
It is if they know what the word means. This is like when people say that "only white people can be racist". Point out the actual definition of racism and they just deny plug their ears like you're doing now.

>not all opinions SHOULD be tolerated
I didn't say they should be.

>someone's opinion is that I should be killed for being trans
>wishing harm on an innocent human being.
Right but my political ideas don't have anything to do with this. Caling me a Nazi for pointing out the facts about Hillary Clinton is just bigotry, plain and simple.

>>7763771
Okay, so if I'm just a little bit left and low of center on the meme compass, what should I call myself?

>>7763790
>40% is a majority

why are you so stupid

>>7763798
>I know some ethnic people so that means I'm not racist!!!!

Do you have any self-awareness?

>>7763847
You misunderstand. If 60% of Blacks support BLM, and 40% of Whites support BLM, then because of how Whites outnumber Blacks in this country, BLM's supporters are majority White.

>>7763847
Jesus Christ are you even familiar with our racial demographic? 40% of whites is more people than 60% of blacks. Be careful who you call stupid.

>>7763864
No. I was told I didn't know any minorities. I informed them that I do. Do you have a literacy rate beyond the second grade or the attention span superior to that of a goldfish?

>>7763821
>It is if they know what the word means.
It's not a useful definition. The meaning of a word is defined by how it is used, not by what the dictionary says; dictionaries are supposed to be descriptive, not prescriptive. Under the dictionary definition, saying "all black people should be violently murdered" doesn't make you a bigot, yet being intolerant of such opinions does make you a bigot.

>>7763893
>Under the dictionary definition, saying "all black people should be violently murdered" doesn't make you a bigot
I think it does. Wanting people murdered is not very tolerant of their opinions. They probably have a pretty strong opinion about being murdered.

>>7763916
Saying it doesn't. Meaning it does. Trying to do it does. Freedom of speech, bitch!

>>7763789
I don't think they can be "trusted", I think they don't exist. A few shitposters and youtubers is not a political movement.

The real dangers are things like TERFs, Dems and Islam.

>>7763821
Left wing. Center-left if you want to sound normal. Progressive left.

The chart misuses "libertarian". Libertarianism is closer to a diagonal from top left to bottom right, to the extent that chart has any truth in it.

>>7763938
Little known facts, movements are started by people, shitposters are people, and there can be more than one danger. Also TERF's are practically a boogeyman at this point. Rad fems ate them.

>>7763893
>It's not a useful definition. The meaning of a word is defined by how it is used, not by what the dictionary says
Like how some dictionaries say feminism is about equality.

>>7763954
>Center-left
I guess I'll go with this. Calling myself 'left wing' or 'progressive' while being a Trump supporter will only confuse people.

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>>7763938
>TERFs, Reps and Islam.


Fixed that.

>>7763957
Sure, they are a potential danger. But not a current one.

>Rad fems ate them.
and are even worse.

>>7763978
You and I... I thought we would be at odds. We are on mostly the same page. I like you. But I think with the alt-right we need to go with an ounce of prevention instead of a gallon of cure.

>>7763970
Not being an LGBT Movement totalitarian is hardly equal to throwing gays off roofs.

>>7763993


>Millions of republicans who want to deny you rights isnt the problem, A dying armed group in the middle east is!!! now please ignore anything anti-LGBT we do faggot.


fuck off

>>7763970
>muh cakes
>muh bathrooms

>>7764022
>muh dead kike on a stick book from 1400 years ago

>>7763970
Honestly, I didn't expect blacks to be this progressive. Is the idea of blacks being super Christian actually a meme perpetrated by /pol/?

>>7763938
The Democratic party does far more to benefit LGBT than any other major political party in America.

>>7764031
It is a generational thing. I know young conservative black Christians, but I know a shit ton of them who are that weird, Christian by name only, definitely do believe in god though, follow none of the rules, Liberal Christians.

>>7764009
This. Why does /polgbt/ love to talk about the Democratic Party and Saudi Arabia yet never mention anything about the alt-right's hard on for Russia?

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>>7764028
>Being an anti-semite
>Defending Islam

oy vey

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>>7764053
Saudi Arabia puts gay people to death and sponsors radical Islamic terrorism.

Russia restricts gay people's freedom of expression and association, which is awful, but Russia also fights radical Islamic terrorism. Russia is nowhere near as bad as Saudi Arabia.

Besides, if we can make Russia an ally, gay Russians will have much easier time fighting for gay rights in Russia.

>>7764072


>bring /pol/ shit to /lgbt/

Cletus dont you have something better to do than shitpost on a board other than pol to try to convince people to accept their rights being taken away because of a book written by a dead jew?

>>7764022
>muh cakes
>muh bathrooms
If you really want to play the ``freedumb of association" card, accept that gays and trannies aren't the only group that can be discriminated against. You're going to have to accept a world where it's perfectly legal to forbid people from using the bathroom on the basis of their race, religion, or wealth. Same with all corporations, if you criticize the power company for polluting the environment, they're free to cut off your power until you recant. What you're asking is for unlimited power in the hands of corporation, completely free from restraint by the institutions of democracy. Your Constitutional rights mean nothing, when you've cucked the government to the point where it can neither protect or threaten those rights, and you've given corporate interests free reign to silence and abuse you.

>>7763966
Try moderate left. Liberal left fits too but has the same confusion as progressive.

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>>7764089
>Your rights end where my feelings begin

>>7764115
I'm an independent moderate centrist. The fence post is all the way up my ass.

>>7764081
>Saudi Arabia puts gay people to death and sponsors radical Islamic terrorism.
Russia also exports its anti-gay attitudes throughout the CIS, and is now supporting traditionalist movements across Europe.
>Russia also fights radical Islamic terrorism. Russia is only against Islamists that aren't subservient to them, they certainly don't care as long as they pay homage to Putin like in Chechnya.
>Besides, if we can make Russia an ally, gay Russians will have much easier time fighting for gay rights in Russia.
lol couldn't you say the same about Saudi Arabia? Or any other Muslim country?

>>7764081
>Saudi Arabia puts gay people to death and sponsors radical Islamic terrorism.
Yeah and Trump isn't doing anything to stop Saudi Arabia either. He won't even include them under the "Muslim ban". All things considered, Hillary has done more to weaken them - that money she accepted from them is money Saudi Arabia no longer has. And it's not like the money they gave her is coated with mind control chemicals that will make her declare homosexuality a capital offense.

Now, if someone could threaten to nuke them unless they stop killing gays and supporting terrorists, that would be great. But our current president, the one who claims to fight corruption and protect LGBT from a hateful foreign ideology, is unwilling to put his money where his mouth is and take action against Saudi Arabia.

>>7763987
We held off on the Soviets for a while because of a common enemy. Same situation here, but massively disproportionate threats.

>I like you.
Anon please, not when people are looking!

>>7764131
>>7764081
>>Russia also fights radical Islamic terrorism.
Russia is only against Islamists that aren't subservient to them, they certainly don't care as long as they pay homage to Putin like in Chechnya.

>>7764122
>>Your rights end where my feelings begin
That's exactly what the Christcuck disease says though. They say if they believe in a meme hard enough, it will mean they can ignore the law and go around harming real people. They think meme worship is more important than civil rights.

>>7764142
Oh I'm not saying don't use them. I am just saying be ready to, AS SOON as we are the winning team, burn down their resources before they can use them to make camps for us.

>>7764131
>Russia also exports its anti-gay attitudes throughout the CIS, and is now supporting traditionalist movements across Europe.
Still way better than Saudi Arabia.

>lol couldn't you say the same about Saudi Arabia?
They've been our ally for ages and nothing changed. Saudi gay people will literally die if they try to fight for their rights and we're not doing anything to help them, in fact we are enabling the Saudi monarchy to continue murdering them. Russian gay people still have at least some room to maneuver, they still hold parades.

>>7764135
>All things considered, Hillary has done more to weaken them - that money she accepted from them is money Saudi Arabia no longer has.
You can't be serious... they don't give her money for nothing Anon. She's in their debt.

>our current president, the one who claims to fight corruption and protect LGBT from a hateful foreign ideology, is unwilling to put his money where his mouth is
Give it time. He is reopening the 9/11 investigation and Saudi officials WILL be implicated.

>>7764144
Chechnya isn't under Sharia law though.

>>7764144
You mean the ones in Chechnya who are revolting against the state? You could have said like the ones in Iran and Syria. They are very aware of the fact that they are under his boot.

>>7764161
>You can't be serious... they don't give her money for nothing Anon. She's in their debt.
She's a tremendously corrupt politician, remember? As I said, the money is in her hands now, it's not "cursed" or anything, and what do they have left to manipulate her? When they call up and say, "Hey Hillary, so when are you going to start murdering the gays?" what's to stop her from saying "Lol fuck off faggot"?

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>>7764183
>She's a tremendously corrupt politician, remember?
I love how even the people who wanted her to win acknowledge this fact. I just don't understand how they think she could ever be trusted to stand up for us in that case.

>>7764150
Christians aren't a monolith for one thing. Second, a private business has every right t refuse service to who they chose. In the end, they're only hurting themselves anyway.

>>7764208
>a private business has every right t refuse service to who they chose
They don't actually. You're legally obligated to serve anyone who can pay in US dollars. They can't demand custom goods/services, but you are obligated to provide your usual goods/services to all paying customers. You don't get to have a "whites only" business.

>>7764224
What about women's exclusive gyms? They exist.

>>7764161
>they still hold parades.
Parades were one of the first things Russia banned.
>Chechnya isn't under Sharia law though.
Chechnya is being Islamized by its leader, Kadyrov, just like Turkey under Erdogan.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/10/chechnya-hard-line-protector-muslim-rights-151001085135746.html

>>7764168
I'm talking about Ramzan Kadyrov, not the rebels.

>>7764183
If she says that she ceases to get money.

>>7762293
>The "alt-right" is a total meme.

This.
The "alt-right" is a total meme which came into existence because there are a couple of "alt-right" people on twitter with some thousand followers ... who troll journalists who use twitter religiously. If journalists wouldn't spend all day on twitter, looking out for "sexism" and "transphobia" and the like, the "alt-right" would be as well-known today as the Nouvelle Droite.

>>7764266
>Kadyrov, not the rebels
My bad! Didn't know that the gov't was also part of the problem! I mean I did, but I assumed it wasn't Islamic problem.

>>7764266
>Parades were one of the first things Russia banned.
Wow, you're right. I remembered seeing them on tv and thought it was still a thing. It's still nowhere near as bad as the Saudis and I still believe an alliance with Russia would be a positive for gay peoples on both sides of the Aluminum Foil Curtain.

>Chechnya is being Islamized
Kadyrov is a former jihadist himself so his policies are hardly surprising, he is part of a compromise to end the fighting there. He still has to obey Russian law, which is very clear on the rights of ALL religions in ALL parts of the country.

>>7764009
Are we talking about the alt-right or about the GOP? You seem to switch between them every post.

>>7764034
>The Democratic party does far more to benefit LGBT than any other major political party in America.

>>7764490
Putting dank chevrons on something doesn't make it not true you straight disease :)

>>7764200
>I just don't understand how they think she could ever be trusted to stand up for us in that case.
I really don't see how revoking LGBT rights would benefit her. She's corrupt, not utterly pants-on-head retarded, or the kind of person who would do evil things for their own sake. Trump on the other hand, he may personally be cool with gays, but he's under pressure to make concessions to the GOP establishment, a group that's strongly opposed to LGBT rights.

>>7764270
When she's president, what does she need the money for? She could always just threaten to nuke them unless they hand over ALL their money. Sounds like you didn't think this through too well.

>>7764531
Oh boy, it's the guy who calls everyone a "straight disease", my favourite shitposter... this thread is about to get SPICY.

>>7764531
>disease poster is a Hilldog
Surprise surprise.

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>>7764546
>Trump on the other hand, he may personally be cool with gays, but he's under pressure to make concessions to the GOP establishment
Like DJT ever gave a fuck about pressure from the establishment.

>She could always just threaten to nuke them unless they hand over ALL their money.
Actually, Saudi Arabia has nukes borrowed from Pakistan, so she couldn't. Even if that were not the case you're being ridiculous. Taking their money means they expect something in return, and no one else would donate to her either if she gets a reputation for screwing her donors over. She damn sure would have needed money for re-election. You know she spent more than any other candidate in history, and still lost?

>>7764546
>What does a president need with money?
You fuckin' stupid? No, really, are you?
A) Money is more of an end than a means once you have as much as she does.
B) If she did that to Saudi Arabia that would destabilize the middle east AND tell other countries that we are not to be trusted.

>>7763240
1) Abolitionism started in Europe genius, hello.

2) There were many whites who did not like slavery before abolitionism solidified as a movement. They also recognized that they could do nothing about an entrenched multi-continental system and tradition by themselves. Abolition took time to conceive of and philosophically argue for, and it was done thanklessly. Africans and Muslims both thought the Europeans were meddlers.

3) Ever heard of the Mongolian Empire? The Ottoman Empire? The Bantu expansions? Non-white people didn't sit innocently making flower wreaths until whites came along. Learn some real history, faggot.

>>7764678
>Bantu
Even today, in fucking 2017, the Bantu of the Congo keep the Pygmies of the Congo as slaves. But no SJW ever speaks up for Pygymy rights, because blacks keeping blacks as slaves doesn't suit the political narrative - they feel it's better to ignore such inconvenient truths.

>>7763320
The fuck? How do you know who Spencer is and miss Alt-Right Twitter and the rest of AR social media? Jesus Christ, people.

The reason /pol/ objects to the label is because they're frequently too autistic for broad goals/big tent approaches, and they're sulky about their thunder getting stolen.

>>7764796
>How do you know who Spencer is
Spencer was on TV...

Can you name any other SELF-IDENTIFIED alt-right leaders?

>>7762270
How is Islam and feminism evil?

>>7763409
If you read into it African culture is incredibly interesting.
You can't base your entire cultural and historical knowledge of a continent on solely what is spoon fed to you by k-12 public schooling.
Read a book my guy

>>7762254
That's easy. If you are a racist that cant fight on your own. Then its your friend. If youre a snowflake that is one hundred percent willing to beat the shit out of them then its an enemy

>>7765810
You have not been #NaziPunched or Allahu Akhbar'ed privilege.

>>7765810
Oh all these gay guys come together and start circle jerking about how "NOT" gay they are.
And then kkk people talk shit about how Muslims are extremists.

>>7765854
I mean, what the fuck you on about? Nobody here seems to be in the Klan. Nobody here has claimed straight that I've seen. We've got a single /pol/ escaped from the containment board.

And all and all, great people, best friend is actually a practicing Sunni, but when you hear terrorist attack, do you assume Hindus?

>>7765860
You my dear, must be new here...
How ever. Welcome newfag. Critical thinking is mandatory wile im around. Or yeah. It might FEEL like you're getting /pol/'ed

Only the left and religious fanatics are the enemies. Pol is nice.

YES, I'M GAY, NO-WHITE from South America!

>>7770988
>enemies

Life is too short to have enemies.

>>7771018
Let's fuck? I'm TOP.

>>7771049
Great!
I am a bottom.
But I'm in USA not South America.

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>>7770988
>it's a /pol/ pretends to be an ethnic person episode

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>>7771071

I take a plane now!

>>7771099

Redpill. / Pol / has more diversity than the left, even brainwashing minorities.

>>7762254
I don't know what exactly you mean with alt right but the right is my friend atm because they are anti rapefugee and by that protecting everyone from terrorist, rapists and other scum that wants to come to Europe to cause trouble.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12356208/r

/Pol/LGBT/

I don't classify myself as alt-right, but I guess a lot of people would.

Just don't march around in the streets getting blown by 14 year olds and I don't have a problem with it. The pride marches are a bit too much sometimes, ya dig?

>>7771777
I don't dig. Alt-right is just dog shit. Who cares what you do or don't want anybody to do?

>>7771777
Nice digits anon

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>>7771779

I just think displaying fringe fetishes like bondage and cheering on twerking 10 year old boys in hotpants in the streets is a thing that we should not normalize, and I believe it is in the interest of your community also to not let these people define you.

Look at pride marches from the seventies to the pride marches of today. What the fuck happened?

>>7771779
The left is just pig shit... And not all in / pol / are nationalists, whites and neo-nazi

>>7771777
>will someone think of the children!1!!1!!

Better start fining homos and dykes for pda lest we want a whole generation of tomboys and fags!

>t. alt right pol faggot

Enemy. obvs.

>>7771788
I don't care what you think, that's why I'm not boring to read the rest of your shitpost you dog shit.

>>7771789
Kill yourself lying pedophile.

>>7771791

So you think we should not think of the children, then? You think sexualizing children is a good thing?

>>7771788
>What the fuck happened?

Trannies, cross dressers and flamers decided to actually do something instead of waiting for cishets to change their minds.

>>7764272
This x1000.
Alt right shit is literally just for the lulz, /pol/ is /b/ 2.0 for the new era. Back in the day things in the world weren't so political, now things are different and chans got political too in the most chan way possible.

If you can't accept that part of our culture you don't belong on 4chan.

>>7771804

So they decided to basically prove to the whole world that their suspicion of them just being mentally ill freaks as right? I thought you guys wanted acceptance.

>>7771801
You think children are all pure creatures who all just turn into sexual animals the moment they turn 18? Get a grip.

>>7771797
You're nothing but a dumb and lazy slut. You need a red pill straight in the ass.

>>7771812

There's a lot of statistics out there pointing to a disproportionate number of homosexuals being pedophiles. You're not doing much to help better my impression. Do you really not get the idea of consent and why those laws exist?

>>7771811
>I thought you guys wanted acceptance.
Right, cause changing tactics just made people hate us more... That's why we have so many gay lynchings nowadays

>>7771822

Oh, I thought you were all still oppressed and got murdered all the time and couldn't even buy cakes because of muh homophobia. Glad to see the issues are all solved, can you stop with the pedophiliac marches now?

>>7771816
No, I just know better than to read the words of living dog shit. There's nothing to be gained from memorizing diarrehea.

>>7771830

I'm not asking you to memorize my posts. Are you really that fragile that you can't handle to read a mildly opposing view?

I came into this thread really extending an olive branch, but seeing as you people view sexualizing 10-14 year olds in public as a-okay and get offended at me for disagreeing with that, well... Maybe they're right. Maybe you are all degenerate mentally ill sick people who are harmful to society. Literally all I said was "hey, maybe calm it down with the public sexual acts with underage boys" and that is what you call "diarrhea".

>>7771843
I don't care what you're asking me you living dog shit.

>>7771830
The feminist only knows how to write "shit dog". Get out of here, here is for LGBT only, no obese feminazis communists who want to destroy us.

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>>7771849
The feminist only knows how to write "dog shit". Get out of here, here is for LGBT only, no obese feminazis communists who want to destroy us.

>>7771857
How many chromosomes did your parents have to deprive you of, for you to think that that passes for a good meme?

>>7771830
OMG, This bitch is very annoying. Get laid

Is ruining the thread

>>7771878
The thread was two of you retarded autistic pedophiles worshipping Jesus with your tongues over and over like you have done every single day for years. How exactly can one ruin a diarrehea medley?

>>7762315
But when he says degeneracy a lot of people (fundies)

>>7762254
The biggest enemy is totalitarianism, which, sadly, a lot of people who vote (Right-wing) vote to get rid of, but they people they vote for increase it.

>>7771801
It's obvious by now that when the traditionalist right says "think of the children", it's a dogwhistle for being anti-LGBT. Because they only complain about sexualizing children when LGBT does it, they're silent when straights sexualize children. And they somehow think that giving children freedom to be gender-nonconforming is sexualizing them, when it's the exact opposite - shaming people for rejecting gender roles basically comes down to "how dare you not please my genitals!". So anyone who gets upset about boys wearing dresses is either a pedo, or a useful idiot for pedos.

>>7771822
Acceptance gained only by cucking yourself and bowing down before the demands of heterofascists is not real acceptance. Only Auntie Milos think that way. That's like saying "I'm not poor, five cents is a lot of money!" - you're not actually improving the situation, you're just using made up definitions so you can pretend you're well off.

>>7771828
Lying in 27 directions at once doesn't make those lies the truth you straight disease :)

>>7771857
>>7771859
Nice shilling you dogshit fat fetishist disease

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>>7762254

Neither enemy nor friend, we come from a world where such words are meaningless.

>>7762282
>How is /pol/ a version of feminism?

They hate you for things that are completely arbitrary and unchangeable (whether race, gayness or whether or not your a man)

Introductions of alternate opinions and material the group deems "offensive" will not be tolerated, since it challenges the group-think.
Expect to be bullied, downvoted, saged, and/or banned if you present reasoned debate, or merely ask the "wrong" question trying to clarify.

Your zeal/dedication/unrelated competence will be questioned if you hold an opinion outside of their (highly localized) main-stream,

They feel that they are fighting some sort of organized "degenerate" or "backwards" force, and therefore you're not to be convinced but fought. Whether you're told that "you're on the wrong side of history" or that your degeneracy prevents us from "making america great again," its not your opinions,but YOU are the one in the way and should be removed.

so yeah, two sides of the same psychological coin, just choose to latch onto different ideologies

>>7762270
How exactly is /pol/ anything like Islam?

>implying the alt right exists
Its a boogeyman made so liberals can make a witchunt and also get themselves a free scapegoat

most of /pol/ is a friend

>queer person hates feminism but loves right wingers

Masochism at its finest.

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>>7771901

Eat this dog shit, obese slut!

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>>7762438
By not attacking trans people he's creating he's adding to the sub division of right wingers who are accepting to trans people.

Intolerance is the not the default state. A lack of tolerance is tolerance. Alex Jones is protecting us. Regardless of whether he's an ally or not, he's done more for us than his liberal equivalents by taking this stance while being a public figure in a group notorious for hating us.

>>7762486
How do we do this?

MAGA traps was a nice success I'd say, but many remain unconvinced.

>>7763214
How has BLM become so unbearably uncharismatic? In all my time alive, I've never witnessed a more universally annoying and dislikable social movement, their only saving grace is that they build on the momentum of an already very well accepted ideology, anti racism. If it were feminists or faggots doing this shit then wow.

>>7780050
You only dislike them cause you're an old white male

>>7764009
>I have the right to force people to do business with me!

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>>7765810
How could anyone think Islam is evil? It's the religion of peace!

>>7780060
nice one senpai

Seriously though, it feels as if I'm living under a rock here having no interest in contemporary social movements, have they achieved anything other than stirring up more reactionary hate?

>>7780082
If they don't want to operate their business within the confines of the law, they're free to stop operating their business at any time. It's not "forcing" them to do anything, unless you're using words so broadly that highway speed limits are "oppression" and employment is "slavery".

>>7778740
Feminism has always been exclusively about equality between men and women.

Lgbt doesn't fit in this picture.

>>7780483
How is LGBT anti-equality?

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>>7780483
>Feminism has always been exclusively about the supremacy of women over men.
FTFY

>>7780375
>serve these people or else we'll shut down your business
>because it's a law, that makes it perfectly okay!

>>7780860
>harmful actions by private individuals are okay, because only governments are capable of doing evil!

>someone refusing to serve me is literally killing me!

>>7780934
Lesbians refusing to sleep with trans women are performing harmful actions. Do you think the law should force them to or is it one rule for those you favor and another for those you don't.

>>7780956
Certain services can prevent one from dying. Are you ignorant of that fact?

>>7780998
How exactly is ``not having sex" harmful?

>>7783362
Yes, cake baking and flower-picking are life saving, got it.

>>7783687
Can you explain to me why the ``right" to deny service to people on the basis of their sexuality is something to be defended? Smearing vomit all over your face and running down the street naked isn't ``literally killing" anyone either, but do you really think that's the kind of behavior society should be tolerant of?

>>7773747
you write like you're developing a mad case of schizophrenia

>>7783704
I support the right of a company to make awful business decisions. From both a business and personal POV, I think it's retarded behavior not to serve a certain person based on sexuality, but that's not up to me to use the government to tell someone to do what I want with their property.

Boycott the business, refuse to shop there, cut off all ties with anyone who does business with them. If your goal is actually changing people's minds, it's much more effective at getting your point across than government intervention.

>>7762545
Marxism != Freedom, libtard. And I'm laughing at the libtards here that think their side will stand chance in the inevitable civil war. It'll be a complete rout.

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>>7763350
What rights are you lacking? You suicidal, leftist lgbters deserve the muslims desu.

>>7763580
>calls others liars
>lies and posts a picture that's a proven fraud

Typical leftist detected.

>>7762254
I fucking hate cats that dog in the picture should chew that cunt to pieces!

>>7762254
I'm an oldfag and alt-right is shitty trolls using memes that were stale 10 years ago and some that don't realize /pol/ was originally tongue and cheek. Watching the things I said as parodies of crazy people a decade ago repeated earnestly today by legitimately crazy or stupid people is shit.

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>>7763873
...I think you got that backwards.

I was actually in the same boat, but if those statistics are right then I guess I was wrong.

>>7764224
And that's wrong, this isn't about gays and people who don't like them. This is about the right of ownership. For a free the country the US sure does love to force people to do things for no good reason.

And no, don't tell me that it's to protect anyone, if one business doesn't want to work with gays, others will go out of their way to market towards gays, because that's how ruthless capitalism works.

>>7773732
Gender roles are not made up, not entirely, there is evidence that at least part of them are natural parts of the human brain. Maybe not necessarily the way you dress, but it's obvious that, for example, only women are mothers by nature, and they also tend to naturally be driven to "girl toys" rather than "boy toys" most of the time.

Besides, assuming that a child is gay or trans just because he likes girly things and encouraging him to become a female or to date boys doesn't make you any better than a traditionalists forcing them to change their ways fearing the same thing.

And I definitely don't think it's a stretch to say that kids that are 13 and are just discovering sexuality should be allowed to take such huge life-chancing decisions. I made a lot of dumb decisions when I was a teenager. Maybe I would of liked to start HRT that young, but then again maybe for other kids it WAS just a passing thing, and what then? Part of being a parent is to protect kids from their own inexperience. You can't just let them do whatever, and introducing kids to sex too early, especially with older people is a no-no and any psychologist worth his salt will tell you this, almost no kids grow up as normal functioning members of society when they are introduced to such things prematurely.

That other anon is absolutely right, pride parades, in their modern form, don't help at all. People aren't becoming more accepting because of them, if you ask anyone what they think of them, even in le current year they will still tell you they are gross, and tbqh I think they are gross too, do whatever you want inside your room but I wouldn't have straight or gay people or any kind of people doing those things in public, and I wouldn't have anyone do those kinds of things anywhere with children.

>>7773747
You are living cancer.

>>7783983
Only fascists think the only choices are fascism and sharia law.

>>7784005
Not an argument. Pretending to be someone who knows a liar when they see one doesn't make you not a liar.

>>7788804
>Gender roles are not made up, not entirely, there is evidence that at least part of them are natural parts of the human brain. Maybe not necessarily the way you dress, but it's obvious that, for example, only women are mothers by nature, and they also tend to naturally be driven to "girl toys" rather than "boy toys" most of the time.
I'm not talking about though. I'm talking about when adults punish or shame children for failing to follow gender roles, or unnaturally push them into doing so.

>Besides, assuming that a child is gay or trans just because he likes girly things and encouraging him to become a female or to date boys doesn't make you any better than a traditionalists forcing them to change their ways fearing the same thing.
Didn't say that being gender non-conforming means you're gay or trans.