Are trutrans the minority here?

>>7754114
Trutrans is slang for HSTS, although they are actually less legitimate in their transsexuality than AGP transsexuals as they don't actually desire a female body despite being more stereotypically feminine.

Yes they are a minority here, as they are everywhere else.

>>7754123
What happens if I'm not AGP or HSTS?

>>7754125
Describe how you don't match either?

>>7754127
For me, it's not sexual, I'm just a girl. But I'm not really a cock-hungry whore, I never identified as a gay man. So idk.

>>7754123
So even being a straight trans has its own cute name now.

>>7754137
You're not providing very much information. Who are you attracted to? What do you find erotic? How GNC were you as a child? Give examples. How does your dysphoria affect your day to day life?

>>7754147
>now
the typology is older than you

>>7754150
I guess I am mostly attracted to other girls but would not be adverse to dating guys, as long as I had a vagina. I find weight gain erotic, I guess that's my fetish, I like thicc girls and the idea of becoming thicc. But in terms of my ideal partner, I'd want to be dominated and taken care of by someone down to earth, not too intense because I'm already pretty intense.

I wasn't that GNC as a child, I just never had any interest in sports or rough-housing or boy toys or anything like that. I played with Legos, mostly read books about animals and science, and I think I did some weird activities on the blacktop, like jumprope and cat's cradle. But really I'm not sure gender conformity matters that much.

And dysphoria affects me in the sense that it would have killed me if I hadn't started mones when I did. Now it's just a constant sort of discomfort, genital dysphoria, anxiousness about my face, shoulders, all the little things I see in the mirror, constantly comparing myself to cis women, hoping I'm going to pass even though I haven't been clocked in over a year, etc. But I think it will die down after surgeries.

>>7754150
Not them but

I like guys
I find the idea of sucking dicks and getting fucked hot
I grew my hair out when I was 10 and I couldn't hang out with boys n my friends were all girls p much
And I think about this shit every day my body shape doesn't please me I'm plucking body hair almost whenever like I'm biting off whatever that's coming off the side of my hand for example and I can't not wear a shirt because my chest horrifies me and I can't even bother to shave my face because it'll just come back anyway and much more

>>7754198
From what you say you match the AGP etiology despite not having AGP. What age did you first start identifying as female/knowing you wanted to be female? When did you first crossdress in private and present as a girl in public? When did you start hormones?

>But really I'm not sure gender conformity matters that much.
Personally I agree but it is interesting.

>>7754238
Not much to go on but you sound HSTS.

How were you GNC? Who are you attracted to? Have you been perceived as feminine when presenting as male? And same questions as for the other anon.

>>7754123
that was the mainstream view back a decade ago.

these days things have switched again,

>>7754250
Do me.

I'm bi. I like the idea of being sexual with men more but feel safer in relationships with women.

Rough sex stuff both ways turn me on, I like putting up a fight but losing in the end. I don't really care for bondage. I also never cared for porn, but I really like childhood friend scenarios, and stuff like that.

I was fairly non conforming as a kid. People pointed out I was overly sensitive and effeminate. I got along better with girl relatives, and liked playing with stuffed animals and pretend games with lots of story lines, toy preference was pretty even split, but I only got boy toys for obvious reasons.

As far as dysphoria the first most visible thing were social aspects and genitals. The rest came later, and honestly not as big of an issue.

>>7754279
You seem to fit AGP more but more details would help. Can you answer the questions in >>7754250 for the first anon?

>I like the idea of being sexual with men more but feel safer in relationships with women.
Can you go into this a bit more?

I would call your kind of play gender neutral. Did you ask for female toys or have them taken off you when you played with any?

>>7754292
I asked for girl toys but parents said no. I also wanted to play with dolls my mom had and she only humored me until I turned 6 or so.

I like men more. Some of my earliest crushes were guys, but I have dated more women, mostly trans women, because guys are fucking terrifying and trans women are safe and understand when I don't feel comfortable doing stuff like using genitals.

I started noticing gender incongruencies pretty early on, by the time I was 6 I was praying to be a girl every day, and that feeling never waned. I didn't crossdress until my teens which was also the time when I started presenting.

>>7754250

>>7754238 here

How was I GNC? I'm pretty sure I answered that in my previous post but I do remember dressing into my brother's girlfriend's pajamas when I was 8.

Who am I attracted to? Uh, I think I checked that off the list but okay I like cool guys. People who aren't dumbasses and can be smart n stuff.

Well I've been told by one of my brothers that I look like my mom, my sister, an evil girl and I stand like a girl etc yadda yadda.

All 3 of my brothers have called me a girl.

At the bar I've been asked if I were a girl or a boy.

I didn't really start realizing these feelings until I was like 15 or so and ever since they've become more and more pervasive and I can't escape them.

Honestly I don't cross dress really imo I just have this one S sized women's shirt that I like cuz the sleeves actually end at my wrists and the shirt stops where my jeans start and this Bowie shirt that's m sized and is long enough to half cover my ass

I'm 18 now and ordered first hormones about 3-4 weeks ago

>>7754318
forgot that I stated hrt at 17

>>7754321
I mean there's too many people who've questioned my masculinity to count

>>7754323
Oh yeah at one point I wanted one of those gay baby dolls and my brother told me that'd be gay and I was perplexed af

Fuck my brothers

>>7754337
they were right tho. are you gay?

>>7754318
HSTS. I was thrown off a bit with the first post because you didn't sound so non-conforming and your sexuality was unclear.

Why do you feel unsafe with men?

>I asked for girl toys but parents said no.
Sad. What toys?

What social dysphoria did you experience?

>>7754321
HSTS. You said you liked dicks but didn't rule out liking women. Why did you wear your brother's girlfriend's pajamas?

>All 3 of my brothers have called me a girl.
What for?

>>7754355
No, she's trans and straight.

>>7754386
Its hard to get men to back off when they get going. Guess, I've just met too many men with consent issues.

I mostly wanted stuff like polly pocket, girlier plush type toys popular at the time, tamagotchis, pretend kitchen stuff, dolls.

I mostly hated being treated as a boy, or anything that ever required getting sent to boys half. Being unable to like boys. Any interaction that reminded me I was a boy would just get me feeling like shit.

>>7754386
I don't really care about women sexually speaking desu.

Idk why I just did.

Well I told u already but ok here are some examples.

1. I get curls cuz curls rule. Go home, brother tells me I look like a girl.
2. Stand like I normally stand, weigh on one leg with possibly hand on waist. Other brother tells me I stand like a girl.
3. Multiple occasions. I sit normally, brother tells me I look like my mom, sister or just some mean girl.
4. Less looking like a girl and more just being a helpless bitch. I couldn't get a CD out of the case.

Probably more than this but whatevs

>>7754397
I expect you like men more in principle than in practice because of those bad experiences. Just a matter of finding better guys.

>I mostly hated being treated as a boy, or anything that ever required getting sent to boys half.
What sorts of treatment and activities?

>>7754404
Haha, 4 might not have been related!

>>7754413
I'm getting too old to keep trying for men. Not to mention guys hate trans girls.

A lot of class activities required kids split by gender. I always ended up feeling out of place and scared when I got placed with boys. It happened a few times that teachers just switched me over because it seemed like such an issue. I spent most of my childhood crying by myself.

>>7754413
Trust me it was he wouldn't have commented on how "feminine" I looked

>>7754428
>A lot of class activities required kids split by gender. I always ended up feeling out of place and scared when I got placed with boys.
What sorts of things? Any other gendered treatment that you disliked?

>It happened a few times that teachers just switched me over because it seemed like such an issue.
That was nice!

>>7754429
I see.

Hey anons

I'm Bi, I'm more attracted to girls but I guess I am more Bi curious, because I can get turned on by guys and especially find Korean boyband members when they act cute and can imagine myself being loved by them as a female lol.

I find alot of things erotic, I guess I would say I have alot of kinks... and my limit would probably be poop.. ew.

I used to hang out with guys when I was younger and still in highschool, I didn't have that many girl "Friends" at school other than primary school years.

I always got called out as sensitive and weak, I couldn't "friend" punches from my mates or I'd complain it just wasn't something that I enjoyed. I didn't participate in any typical sports other than what my parents signed me up for when I was much younger.

As for being dysphoric I for sure know that with every day that passes I get more anxious and on edge, the main thing that causes it is looking at my shoulders and my muscles they're just too big.. I don't enjoy getting random erections it annoys me which makes hrt/vasectomy appealing.. But I wouldn't want full srs unless there was more appealing results, aslong as I can look and feel more feminine I feel like I'd be so much more happier.

The thought of being a female does turn me on too.

I for sure know I want to transition but coming out and changing so much for myself and everyone is daunting :( What do you think about me?

>>7754744
Just order the skittles m8

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>>7754114
>The AGP vs Trutrans eternal argument again.

I stopped caring about this stuff the moment I noticed how 4chan MtF population doesn't represent the average MtF out there (and I don't mean the hons).

Here it's all about being a yuri anime girl and playing with each other dicks.
Out there is "I'm suicidal because I can't endure living as a male or having any male feature in my body".

This is also one of the reasons I don't even talk about things like surgery and so on in this board, you get overwhelmed by both cis chasers and other MtF that will do anything to stop you from getting rid of your dick which is pretty fun.

Just do whatever you want to feel better in your body and stop worrying about what some tard in a cantonese shadow puppet symposium tells you to.

>>7754758
H-hi, I get suicidal over my male features, I'm les and not that into trans women. I could never imagine dissuading someone from gender confirming care.

Pls accept me trutrans anon

>>7754772
Isn't this how we all are? Outside of mtfg that is

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>>7754123
There's a measurable clinical difference between HSTS and trutrans. Pic related is examples of both sides of the dichotomy.

>>7754793
Hello caraposter.
Why you like trutrans vs agp argument so much btw? If you are trying to repress you're failing hard.

>>7754793
Nicole is neither HSTS not trutrans.

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>>7754838
How is she not at least HSTS?

Someone explain this HSTS bullshit.

How can a woman be "homosexual" by liking a man? In the real world such woman is called "straight" Unless you're implying that you aren't women.

At which point I think it's safe to assume that you have a lot of internalized transphobia.

So, why are you spreading your transphobia?

True transexual is the minority everywhere. My mental disorder has been hijacked by a bunch of fucking weirdos. If you haven't had crippling gender dysphoria since your earliest memories and if you're proud to be trans and all that weird shit then bugger off you weirdos. You fakers.

>>7754781
Im kinda autistic though
>tfw no kind patient femme mtf friend who is patient with my autism and does my makeup

>>7754852
Have you even read the book? That was 6 years after the internet told Kelly Wyatt was trans. 6 years of his mother 'knowing' he was 'really' a girl.

>>7754871
The '''logic''' is that HSTSs are just very feminine homosexual men who feel uncomfortable being seen as men.

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>>7754900
Not him but I agree with you, having also read the book. Do you think that there's a way to help him ease out of transition or do you think that his parents still exert too much influence over his life?

>>7754876
Nice try you literal faggot but everybody knows you are the ones who hijacked "trapped in a woman's body" and all the rest to pretend you are trans.

>>7754922
Never mind his parents, the question is whether detransition would be any better for him at this point, after being a 'girl' for so long and having transitioned.

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>>7754968
Maybe. But his parents still traipse him around to media events nearly every month (she's at some big book conference in SC this week) so there's obviously attempts at reinforcement of the internalization of the "narrative" onto Wyatt that might be alleviated should they be cut off from the influence of their mother and father.

His father is also a prominent professor at the university he attends and keeps a watchful eye over everything Wyatt does on campus.

>>7754990
That's true and Nicole would definitely benefit from being allowed to make up his own mind, but short of kidnapping him how is he ever going to get that chance?

>>7755020
Have you tried contacting him?

>>7755032
How do you think that would go?

>>7755034
I'm not sure. I have her email but you could probably also reach her on her Twitter and more likely, her Tumblr.

>>7755035
You've already tried? What happened?

>>7755043
I haven't tried, I was just listing ways for you to contact her.

>>7755046
When you said you had his email I assumed you had.

I expect his parents run his social media.

>>7755076
It's [email protected] if you want to contact her. That should be private.