MtF non SRS or FFS surgeries

>>7714458
I know you can get silicon implants on the hips / ass so it would make you curvier.

don't think you can do much more than that though, the vocal cord one is quite dangerous and only done in korea also there's a huge chance you will fuck up your voice forever.

I wish we had something for shoulder / ribcage though those imo are probably the worst ones for MtF and unless you transitioned while you were 12 chances are you will have a male skeleton.

>>7714465
Ribs can be removed or broken/cut and screwed back in place, healing in a body cast and corset to reduce overall chest size. Corset training also assists in reshaping the torso over a long term period (years). The human bone growth cycle may take upwards of ten years to replace every cell in a bone. In ten years of corset training, you may likely be able to shrink your torso significantly without surgery.

The shoulders are literally held in place by your collar bone and muscle. Surgeons could cut and remove a piece of the collar bone and screw back into place, thus narrowing your shoulder width by a couple inches overall.

Fat grafting can be used to remove body fat cells from unwanted areas and injected into preferred area such as ass, hips and breasts. Fat graft breast augmentation is ideal. Breasts are naturally 80%+ body fat. Injecting fat grafted from other areas allows your tits to be larger, feel real and never require replacement (even after 20-30 years saline/silicone implants may degrade, leak, or can be broken. Body fat is all natural, zero risk.) The bonus is no scarring from implant incisions, it's all needle puncture to inject fat.

Hands and feet cannot be altered unfortunately. But extreme surgical techniques are being developed that may allow for this in the future. Surgeons are able to sever the femur and other leg bones in midgets to extend their height, allowing for bone to grow back in the gaps. This is repeated until ideal height is achieved. Doing the opposite, to shorten yourself would not be possible. We are not able to reduce the length of the spine. You'd look weird if you cut out bits of leg and arm bone, but no other reductions elsewhere. But maybe one day, using similar techniques, the spine, hands, fingers, feet, toes and other areas can be altered to proper proportion.

>>7714458
I had fat grafting onto my hips and I love how it turned out.

>>7714534
Wow I didn't know about most of those.
I'm interested in the fat injections one actually.

>>7714538
Could you give any pictures (clothed is totally fine I just want to see the shape if you're wearing jeans or a dress).

I'm going to google and see if I can find anything close here so I can start saving money if it's a nice result.

Also since it needs fat to begin with, would it help if I was a bit chubbier?

>>7714549
You would need to gain weight so the surgeon has fat to take out and replace where you want it.

>>7714558
Ok, so I'm only 8 months on HRT which means I'm pretty new to all this stuff.
Should I wait more then gain weight? I hear everywhere on this board that you should only gain weight after a long time on HRT since it makes the fat deposit on the right places or something?
Did I get it wrong? Or doesn't matter since the doctor will move from one place to the other?

>>7714538
Which surgeon did you see and how much did it cost? I'm really intrigued.

I gained a bit of weight before HRT just for this.

What was your waist/hips before and after as well?

>>7714549
it isn't injections.
it is cutting out a slap and re-inserting it in a more desirable location.
the injection method results in lumpiness and redistribution.
google "fat grafting" or "fat transfer" + surgery

>>7714458
The non-invasive voice surgery with Yeson is probably the only one of these surgeries I'm going to get. Every result sounds pretty good, and apparently he's never botched it. It raises the voice by like 70 Hz, and I really want to feel confident in my voice since I feel like insecurity over my voice is one of the things holding me back in life.
Not terribly expensive either at 8k.

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ive had 2 rounds of fat grafting to hips and butt and currently have 600cc buttock implants inside the muscle. the results are pretty good however hips did not get as wide as i had hoped with fat grafting.

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>>7714794
Is that you?
Can you post pictures clothed from side and front?
Sorry to ask for all this stuff but this thread is actually super interesting and I'm considering it more and more.

Also if that's really you I'm so fucking jealous you're fucking cis holy shit I hate you.

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>>7714802
i did my butt with a doctor in cali, colombia, it was pretty inexpensive and a good doc. thank you,, ive had virtually all trans related surgeries done so ask away

>>7714794
Is that you...

Even if it's not, how much did you pay, who did you see?

>>7714810
How did you afford them?

>>7714810
that doesn't look natural

>>7714822
>>7714810
Yep, the butt is a bit too projected and rounded.

>>7714822
>>7714826
>sourgrape virgins

oh, ok

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>>7714817
dr sanabria in cqb clinic. it was a few years ago, i think i paid around 5k.
>>7714818
escorting. sadly this is basically the only way for girls like us to relieve dysphoria. ive mainly been an escort in dubai, the men there love transsexuals. if you are pretty you can practically become a millionaire there. i honestly had a very manly face and was balding before my surgeries, and now with escorting ive been able to seize my wildest dreams

>>7714850
you have plastic surgery face too

>>7714850
How was the recovery time? Im also very interested in these surgeries but im scared I will be bed-bound for a long time. Also did he use actual butt implants or the usual boob-implant in butt because I dont want to end up looking botched.

>>7714850
That's really interesting and cool. I would have loved to be an escort but I'm already 25 with no chance of passing and by the time I finish wage slaving until I can get these grafts and FFS I'll be 30.

Don't even know the first thing about getting into porn or escorting or I'd be on a plane to Cali or Dubai already.

If you don't mind what were your measurements before and after?

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>>7714810
wow it looks great.

Since you said I could ask, prepare yourself for a TON of questions because I'm super impressed with you really.

>1 - what was the average price for each surgery and was there any big reason for doing some in Colombia (like quality of doctor or cheaper pricing? or could do them let's say in the US)?

>2 - How much weight you had to gain to get the fat grafing ones properly? Does the doctor tell you how much you need to gain or you basically just try to get chubby and call it a day?

>3 - Since you said you had all surgeries, I always been in a complicated situation related to breast implants, everyone on 4chan says they look terrible, making your breasts insensitive and so on but I just think they only saw terrible results by going to cheap doctors (I could be totally wrong here) but could you give me your experience with it?

>4 - About the butt implants, are they similar to breast implants in terms of look and feel? Does it make exercising or anything weird since you said they are inside the muscle? I kinda like jogging.

>5 - Did you had SRS?
>How does it feel? Can you orgasm properly during sex? What about lubrication and the dilating part? Did you had any terror stories with it?
>Also How was the post surgery related stuff and did you had corrective surgery after? I have heard sometimes you need to go back and get the a touch up on the lips and so on, This one s cares me a lot because I really wanted to get it done but I see so much ugly and scary stuff on this site it's like everyone here is telling me not to do it.

>6 - about FFS, what procedures you had done? (Eyebrows, jaw, etc) Also was the change significant or more like a touch-up?

Sorry for making this wall of text but you're like the first person ever on this board that had all these things done on you and are willing to talk about it. You kinda should make your own thread and talk about this you're amazing.

Seriously you're 100% cis in these pics.

>>7714850
>>7714810
>>7714794
Also when did you start transitioning anon?

You look like a rich milf and I'm not even a transbian, would hug/10.

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>>7714889
i went with dr sanabria cause ive talked to friends that had good results with him. fat feels natural, but it doesnt stay.. and its hard to create a big difference with fat alone. i have anatomical implants, there are round ones but they look awful. and implants must always be placed under the muscle. my doctor told me to gain weight, it is important before the surgery of course.i had an epidural before buttock implant and i still felt alot of pain. it is the most painful surgery to do.

ive had good experience with breast implants currently i have 800cc under the muscle. just make sure you go to a doctor with ts experience

ive had full FFS (jaw redone, brow bone reconstruction, 7 nose jobs, hairline lowering, hair transplants to hairline, eyebrow lift, blephoraplasty, lips and cheek implants)

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>>7714933
when i was 22.before pic

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>>7714996
>>7715002
Thanks for replying anon, you changed a lot and you look super good, really.

Ok so basically I have to find doctors with experience in the specific case which does make a lot of sense so yeah I will consider that when I ever manage to get enough money.

Now I just need to win the lottery because I'm a broke anon and I doubt I could even escort ever because I'm nowhere near your tier anyways.

Maybe I will try caming.
Damn I'm super impressed you're the first person on this board with all this experience in this stuff, people really don't talk about it or just bash things.

Thanks a lot again also sorry for going full sperg mode.

>>7714996
How did you get into escorting? I'm really interested in trying this out now. Who do I contact or go to to start? Pls respond.

>>7714538
How much cc on every site? My doc want me to give 200cc on left and 200cc on right and I'm not sure if that's enough.

>>7714822
it looks good and i promise you most men give zero shits

>>7714850
how do you safely advertise in dubai?

>>7716498
she probably uses the many sites that other transsexuals and cis escorts use Middle easterners have a strong lust for trans girls especially whites.

I'm a chaser/john and looked into it when i was thinking about working in Dubai but i need to be able to see a trans girl every couple of months or i might go mad

>>7716498
>>7716546
whoops forgot the link
https://massagerepublic.com/shemale-escorts-in-dubai

you can find prices they are charging and it's very high but if i got a job there my income would be inline with it
I have been in minimum wage jobs and still found money to see trans girls

>>7714458
>take fat from places and inject it into the hips
>prices vary from 4k to 12k USD
haahahahahahaha

look this is the biggest waste of money you could ever do, I am not a doctor and have not had the procedure, but I do know that fat is not PERMANENT

>>7716577
why do you think Latin american trans girls always use silicon(injections and implants)

>>7714850
>escorting. sadly this is basically the only way
lol I love when girls unironically say shit like this

>"yeah my life is so tough I pretty much had no other choice but to become a prostitute teehee"
>how come you didn't just work an ordinary job to make money without sacrificing your dignity?
>"WOW YOU LIKE DON'T UNDERSTAND MY STRUGGLE"

>>7714844

It would probably look fine without the implants. As it is, it doesn't look right. If you'd seen a girl with a naturally big butt, you would know.

>>7714861

Just the nose doesn't look too good. Other than that her face would be perfect, I think. But don't be mean, anon. Without her, we wouldn't be getting this info.

>>7716577
>>7716586
Fat is permanent. Fat cells can shrink but they can't be destroyed.

>>7714850
>>7716601
Female privilege is believing spreading your legs to make money appear is the definition of a hard life.

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>>7716601
Actually to pay for all the stuff she did she either had to be from a rich family that didn't disown her or be an executive from some big company because sure as hell you're not going to afford 7 nose jobs, implants, lips, butt, hips, etc while having a normal job (even if you're have a college degree)

I'm not saying being a prostitute is ok but it's kinda of an a shortcut if you want that money fast and easier than you know, trying to save it for 15 years with a shitty job (aka me if I actually went for all these surgeries since I'm fucked here).

Also you're too aggressive at her being a hoe, just let it go dude.

>>7716625
No that's not true at all.
The cell turnover rate for adipose tissue is about 10% cell death a year. Any number of things can speed it up or slow it down as well. If you're quite fat obviously those cells are going to be pretty happy and aren't going no where lol

There are no cells in your body that do not undergo apoptosis and regeneration. In the past it was thought stuff like cells in your nervous system lasted a lifetime but that's since been disproven.

>>7716658
>you're not going to afford 7 nose jobs, implants, lips, butt, hips, etc while having a normal job
I didn't say she should flip burgers. People without college degrees can still make big money without resorting to becoming a prostitute, if you play your cards right.

>a shortcut if you want that money fast and easier
Duh... but it is disgusting.

>you're too aggressive
Lol fuck you. Whores make me sick, especially when they make shitty excuses for being whores.

>>7716658
>I'm not saying being a prostitute is ok
It's an option a male doesn't have. What are the alternatives for a male wanting that much money? 15 years of savings, a rich family, or being an executive.

>>7716563
>those hookers
How the fuck do I compete with that? I'm not even white as well

>>7716546

>but i need to be able to see a trans girl every couple of months or i might go mad

Why such intensity? And why trans girls?

P.S. JFK was higher-test than you. He got a headache if he didn't have sex every few days.

>>7716658

You shouldn't be going for that many nose jobs anyway. Noses always get fucked up when you repeatedly change them. It doesn't matter how skilled the surgeon is.

>>7716691
>What are the alternatives for a male wanting that much money?
Become a tranny hooker :^)

>>7716601
I'm sure many people could afford all the surgeries she has had via a normal career, but very few with a normal career could do it in the same short timeframe.
Depends where you live as well. Like in many countries with socialized healthcare SRS is free, albeit you're at the mercy of whichever doctor they tell you to go to. Similarly sometimes FFS is covered, but there's usually only one available doctor for that.

Personally I'd just debt dodge cause it's pretty easy, plus you'd be changing your appearance and identity so it's even easier lol
Though I'm not sure about debt dodging from banks. Debt dodging student loans is easy though since nobody chases you cross-border.

>>7716695
I could compete with that but I really don't feel like being beheaded in some desert hellhole or losing my dignity. Who even cares how attractive I am if I can never find a guy to marry.

>>7716715
You sound perfect. Want to be my wife?

>>7716689
>People without college degrees can still make big money without resorting to becoming a prostitute, if you play your cards right.
>if you play your cards right.
>but it is disgusting.
She should gamble her future and delay a happy life, and risk not getting one at all, because you personally find it "disgusting" that she uses what she has instead of struggling to make it in the career you choose for her?

Who are you, her dad?

>>7716689
You sound like an angry FtM that hijacked the thread and once I argued with her over some silly thing. Or someone from /r9k/

>>7716691
This is not about males, you also sound like some crazy angry and bitter guy or FtM.

Also remember, it's guys that pay that much which means it's guys fault about them existing to begin with.

Hate the game not the player.

>>7716697
>You shouldn't be going for that many nose jobs anyway. Noses always get fucked up when you repeatedly change them. It doesn't matter how skilled the surgeon is.

I know anon, but even if you took 6 of the nose jobs, I doubt I can be able to afford all her surgeries.

Also you anons have to understand I'm no a prostitute myself I just said it's a valid way if they really want the money fast.
I'm a shitty programmer tranny with a shitty CS degree living in a shitty third world country and I go to work on boymode because I will literally lose my shitty job if they find I'm a tranny (i even wear binders).

>>7716689
You're fucking delusional. The only jobs that pay top tier salaries are things like law, medicine and engineering. All these things are hard as fuck, only a select few have the brains for it. College degrees cost a fuckton of money also. Even if you get a place you have to work your ass off for 4 years all the while dealing with heavy dysphoria, you finally graduate, 300k starting? Nope you have to spend another 5 years working a shitty 40k grad job all the while renting some overpriced apartment in a tech valley somewhere. If you need fast money for surgeries in your 20s >>7716658 is right you need to have rich parents or be a hooker. Nobody goes to college to make money fast.
>but it is disgusting.
Is it so hard to not force your morals on other adults?

>>7716724
>This is not about males, you also sound like some crazy angry and bitter guy or FtM.
How do you figure that?

>Also remember, it's guys that pay that much which means it's guys fault about them existing to begin with.
What's your point?

>>7716715
She didn't get beheaded, if there's a market for darkskinned trannies in dubai ill take the risk. After all beheading is the ultimate FFS right? haha....

>>7716731
>Nobody goes to college to make money fast.
We don't? Shit...

Guys can we please stop griping about the ethics of prostitution and just go back to mtf surgeries

I'm the op and now I'm kind of paranoid I might be wasting 10k usd on a surgery if my fat will just disappear

>>7716738
>How do you figure that?
I didn't figure anything, it's a guess because there's a rabid autistic FtM that always comes to MtF threads ant gets angry at "female privilege" and MtF that end doing sex work somehow.

I just considered you were the angry FtM which if you aren't you sound like some angry /r9k/ guy anyways.

>What's your point?
You're literally wahhh they are whores and men can't get money as easy as them doing something similar.

Well, if men didn't pay that much they wouldn't get that much money, it's a free market genius.

>>7716731
>The only jobs that pay top tier salaries are things like law, medicine and engineering
Like I said, you don't need a college degree to make big bucks, let alone such advanced education. The owner of the company I work for never went to college and was born on a farm, his dad never helped him in lifebecause he refused to take over the farm. He started out as a fucking door-to-door vacuum salesman in the 80s. Now he's driving flashy sports cars to and from the office building he owns.

>>7716744
No, it's generally to have money in the long term. But waiting long for surgeries that can make a difference between happy life and suicide isn't always an option.

>>7716760
Try to make that company yourself in 2017 and come back here to teach us trannies how to make big bucks once you're successful.

>>7716753
Yes fat implants would absolutely be a waste of your money, for your sake I am telling you, do not get such a pointless surgery.

>>7716753
FFS and voice surgeries will help you far more than body surgery ever will. Women have all sorts of bodies, provided you aren't Adonis's long lost twin, it won't end you provided you pass otherwise.

Voice can ruin an otherwise perfect pass instantly, and a bad face is nearly as bad.

>>7716768
>there are no successful uneducated entrepeneurs in the 21st century
Wake up dude. College is more pointless than ever and there's a lot of money to be made.

>>7716697

>Why such intensity? And why trans girls?
I have a decent sex drive,masturbating only last so long before my balls start to call for ass and no chance of picking up random girls in DUBAI

Why trans girls? I'm very attracted to trans girls but honestly it doesn't have to be I could just sleep with girls or whatever, my longest break in seeing trans girls was when i slept with some random cis girl from okcupid she was a starfish but having sex with her was enough to satisfy me for a few months.

>P.S. JFK was higher-test than you. He got a headache if he didn't have sex every few days.
lol that's fine i don't want any more intensity on the scale of craving sex i'm fine at my level

>>7716753
Fat implants do inevitably disappear but it of course takes many years. You'd need to get a consultation with a plastic surgeon and ask what their experience is with it. I think the usual is they last like 5-10 years.

Skinny people have greater cell turnover period though. If you're like 100lbs and get fat implants they aren't going to last long since you aren't even eating any triglycerides/fatty acids to fill the tissue with. That's part of the reason why guys on /fit/ do intermittent fasting, it boosts cell turnover for quicker fat redeposition and various other positive health effects.

>>7716780
I have a kind of androgynous face, probably estrogen and makeup will do more for me later. I'll consider FFS later.

My body however is a wreck. I don't have a feminine body type at all and I will never pass unless I wear only bathrobes everywhere.

>>7716782
It's just math, to make such a big company you need to bet a lot, specially in the current economical scenario (both local and global).

It's a safer bet to work for someone than make your own company, also you kinda need money to make money.

Look at my example, I can't afford a lot of stuff if I decided to make my own company (equipment, people, location, bills).
I also will have a hard time getting contracts because it's a new "unproven" company. specially in my area (basically we do shit for embedded systems on factories like robots and so on)

Are you getting what I mean here? I know people without degrees can basically become forbes milionaries and shit but we have to be realistic and focus on the average joe, I'm the average joe if you ignore the tranny factor.

>>7716812
Pics? Measurements? It's probably not as hopeless as you think. Throwing away tens of thousands of dollars is a bad idea when it's likely not even fixing a real issue.

>>7716819
>we have to be realistic
I agree 100%. Most people who try to make it big will fail. I would still rather be that person who tried and failed with dignity than be a wealthy prostitute.

>>7716805
> intermittent fasting
Huh, thanks for mentioning it. Sounds like an interesting concept given that I rarely eat more than two meals a day, and cutting out small snacks shouldn't be a problem.

>>7716760
>in the 80s
Just kill yourself already

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>>7716830
I know anon, I try not to judge about this stuff, she actually seems to be a super nice girl and actually answered questions and gave input about stuff that we usually don't see here since we are all either broke ass neets or college student trannies which means we can't really afford shit ourselves.

Seriously she did an awesome job answering stuff, pretty cool of her and I hope more anons that had the opportunity to get surgery done tell us about their own experiences too if not on this thread in the next ones.

Now let's stop derailing this thread, I really liked the theme about it and learned quite a bit.

>>7716754
>there's a rabid autistic FtM that always comes to MtF threads ant gets angry at "female privilege" and MtF that end doing sex work somehow.
I'd like to meet him.

>Well, if men didn't pay that much they wouldn't get that much money, it's a free market genius.
How does that make it not about males? It makes it all the more about males.

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>>7716711

>you'd be changing your appearance and identity so it's even easier lol

Pretty sure that's the reason they require you to post your name change announcement in a newspaper.

>Debt dodging student loans is easy though since nobody chases you cross-border.

What country would you even go to?

>>7716715

And as far as I've seen, the prostitutes and porn stars that do find someone to marry them have married undesirable guys. But it's not like I've looked up every porn star from the past 10 years to see where they are now, so it's a small sample.

>>7716742

>After all beheading is the ultimate FFS right? haha....

I found that bit of dark humor surprisingly funny.

>>7716780

>provided you aren't Adonis's long lost twin

This was humorous too, but not as good or in the same way.

>>7716783

>no chance of picking up random girls in DUBAI

Is that because non-whores there have money themselves and are a lot harder to impress?

>>7716715
You don't want to live in some sheik's penthouse, acting as his wife while keeping your forbidden love for him hidden from the authorities?

>>7716874
>Is that because non-whores there have money themselves and are a lot harder to impress?
That and trying to fuck local girls in any arab country is very hard
mostly your/my choices would be old white women

>>7716826
It's completely hopeless and it's why I'm considering dropping everything and sucking dicks or something just so I can pay for complete body makeovers ASAP.

Can't be bothered to take pictures now but I can pretty safely say of all the things I need first, I need hips and ass. Trach shaves or the vocal chords aren't as big since if I get it first, I'll just sound weird, but look bad.

I'll talk about it with the surgeon I had in mind and hopefully she won't give me a runaround. An upwards of 10 years is pretty good for $10,000, especially since I have a lot of difficulty gaining and losing fat.

In any case just my body fat probably won't be enough and I may need silicone or some sort of bone graft to get that hourglass shape, but we'll see.

tldr androgynous face, voice can just training, need bigger hips and rear

>>7716879

>implying you're going to be treated with love if your a sheikh's whore

>>7716879
Nah, I want to be some qt masc asian guy's wife. Arabs are fucking awful, and they smell weird.

>>7716874
>And as far as I've seen, the prostitutes and porn stars that do find someone to marry them have married undesirable guys
Exactly my point, I don't want to have to marry a gross weirdo or resort to lesbianism. What is the point of being super pretty if you can't even find a loving partner? You are essentially marrying the whore lifestyle, and that becomes a really depressing thing after your 30s.

>but not as good or in the same way.
Y-you too.

>>7716892
If your hips are that bad, even fat surgery won't help you. Surgery can't give you the proper bone structure.

>>7716874
>What country would you even go to?
You can go to pretty much any country.
Canadians often debt-dodge to the US and Americans debt-dodge to Canada all the time. Obviously the further away you go the better off you'll be since if in the unlikely chance they sell your debt to a private company they can go cross-border. In Canada it's illegal for them to sell student loan debt to private companies, but I believe in the US it's fairly common practice.

>>7716892
5-10 years does not mean upwards of 10 years.

If you spend 10 grand on this meme procedure I guarantee you will regret.

At least the silicone would be permanent, assuming you don't fall down the wrong way and make your butt explode.

>>7716702
I think most males would see 15 years of savings or trying to make it big in business as better career options than being a tranny hooker, anon.

>>7716904
>>7716910
Well I haven't actually commit to anything yet so if I'm not satisfied with what the doctor says I can just shop around for silicone instead.

A better ass I can get through working out, but nothing can help hips, and putting silicone there is risky. I'm kind of at a loss for what else to do in that department.

>>7716927
>if I'm not satisfied with what the doctor says
You're really still considering it? Multiple Anons have explained exactly why fat injections would be an expensive mistake.

>I'm kind of at a loss for what else to do
Seriously get the voice and FFS. Way more important. You'll just look like a skinny bitch.

>>7716907
Brit here, if I move to the USA or Canada is my credit history wiped clean and all my debtors back here can never find me?

>>7716927
>>7716953
I can't recommend the voice enough. Listen to Yeson's results. If you have trained your voice then get a 70 Hz boost to your voice, you'll have a truly pretty voice. That's a huge asset, and I'm sure you'll never be clocked unless you look like she-hulk.

>>7716974
No, it depends on who holds your debt. Banks are international, student loans are not. Plus banks have no issues selling off your debt to collection agencies. For student loans your credit rating tanks until the government writes off your debt (takes like 5-6 years) from what I've heard.
Everyone I've heard that has done it got like useless arts degrees and would have worked as a barista debt-dodge or not so they just don't give a fuck lol

>>7716953
>>7716978
No I'll look like a feminine square box.

How much is the voice feminization and who should I go to? I only see a few in the entire world that do it.

>>7716974
>>7717009
Fuck off this is why the country's in such a state I hope Theresa May makes student loans international and hunts you all down why the fuck were you even given a loan for an arts degree in the first place fuck!

>>7717022
>How much is the voice feminization and who should I go to?
Yeson. He has a non-invasive method, and so far as I know he's never fucked up someone's voice. He basically just makes the part of your throat that modifies sound smaller.

I heard there's another guy in Oregon who does similar, but idk.

>No I'll look like a feminine square box.
A feminine square isn't ideal, but you'd still be a girl. If you are actually trans, that must sound nice.

>>7717009
I have student loans from degree I dropped out of, about £5-15k idk, overdraft to 2 banks £1k each, Vanquis credit card debt of about £300 and small payday loan debt of maybe £1000.

>>7717034
ahahaha faggot im not paying back a penny!

>>7717048
>from degree I dropped out of
Fuck!

>>7717039
I googled yeson and the first link was some Slovakian MtF and holy shit it was a huge difference though the mic they were recording on the post op was quite shitty which kinda got me worried.

Anyways I'm going to listen to a lot of them now, did you do the surgery yourself? How good were your results (I know listening to your own voice is super weird but I had to ask).

>>7717039
>you'd still be a girl
Oh way to rub it in, anon.

Apparently this Yesson guy is in South Korea which is nice since I'm Korean, if he doesn't spreak Engrish too rell.

How much exactly does this cost? 20k?

>>7714822
who the fuck cares when you at least don't look like a man anymore

>>7717073
>did you do the surgery yourself?
No but I've known multiple people who have, and I'm impressed as hell.
I have a female passing voice right now, but I'm really insecure about it. Being the social person I am, it would be super worthwhile for me to be confident with my voice. I'm saving for it for sure.

>>7717076
It's 8k.

>>7717048
I guess it depends how much you're willing to risk I suppose. Obviously credit card debt and bank debt is going to follow you worldwide though.
Could also just sell meth lol

>>7714822
>>7717089
Keep in mind also that we are looking at that butt already knowing it was surgically augmented. If you know that's the case of course you see it. When you don't know, you just see a hot ass.

>>7717076
Narrow hips and small butts are pretty common on all Asians. It's just how you people are, try not to compare yourself to white girls.

>>7717113

Doesn't Yeson turn you away if you have had a tracheal shave? Also, can you sing with it? If not, I don't see the point compared to just sticking with what you get from practice.

>>7717121

I find myself looking for pics of big butts with some frequency, and I ignore all the butts that look fake like that anon's. Now I'm not saying I can pick out ANY fake butt from a lineup of butts, just that when it looks fake, it looks fake.

>>7717132
Imo if she doesn't want to be a flat board she could try first squating and kickback routine for a while.
If it still doesn't work she can totally get implants, I don't see why not.

She's not trying to go Rhianna tier or anything she just wants a cute round butt.

>>7717132
I'm 6'0" and 170 pounds

You don't get it

I will never pass

Even if it means a shitty $10,000 surgery that I need every 5 years, I need every single bit of help I can get

>>7717171
Jeez, that height and weight is pretty bad if you are living in Korea as an Asian. My apologies.

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>>7717202
Now do you see why I'm so fixated on getting a body before a voice and face

>>7717217
Idk, come to the West? Tall is fine here. I'm usually not into women but I'd prolly go gay for a tall asian woman lol.

>>7714458
Wait so is OP's pic a tranny or a cis woman?

>>7717224
I live in the US LOL

I would have to renew my passport and get a visa to go to Korea again

>>7717241
Oh, then what are you complaining about? Tons of Americans are tall senpai.

>>7717245
When is the last time you saw an Asian woman over 5'6"? Besides in giantess doujins?

>>7717245

How often are cis Asian girls that tall even when they live in the US, anon? I have a similar problem as a 5'10" Hispanic MtF living in the US.

>>7717252
Plenty of times? I'm 5'10 and I've noticed Asian girls taller than me quite a bit.
White Americans are only 2" taller than Asians.
>>7717258
Move to a white area then.

>>7717271
What the hell where do you live and why are they putting growth hormones in the water

>>7717271

>Correctly assuming I don't live in a white area

F-fuck you t-too.

>>7717279
I've lived in NJ and WA in highly immigrant areas. Maybe I just notice it a lot because I'm only attracted to tall people? But whatever the case, it's far from unheard of.

>>7717281
Your comment made it kinda obvious.

>>7717297
East WA or Seattle ish?

I was thinking of moving to Seattle, more freaks like me around too.

>>7717297

It was more a joke of my having to live in a city of violent, littering niggers.

>>7717325
Seattle. Really, a 6' Asian girl is not going to arouse any suspicion if she doesn't look manly to start with.

>>7717335
>girl
stop

>>7717343
Stop what?

>>7717348
Mocking me

>>7717357
I'm not mocking you.

>>7717163
Yeson doesn't turn you away for having a trach shave. They just recommend against it because there's too many shitty surgeons that damage people's vocal cords while doing the shave.

Yeson DOES turn away people who have had previous botched VFS surgeries with other surgeons.

>>7716695
Are you kidding? That's sad.

>>7714465
The nhs provide free voice surgery its a standard procedure but highly controlled because of the risks

>>7716927
Will you please ask the doctor if you can snowboard if you have implants in the hip and butt? Please, for me? When are you talking to them?

>>7717039
>you'd still be a girl
I'd have laughed if I weren't cringing.

>>7718391
I will. I'll send an email later today. It's just fat so I don't see why you couldn't, in fact it'd probably be safer than a bone graft or silicone since the fatty areas on your body are better to fall on to break falls.

If you haven't trained your voice before going to Yeson will he operate on you? Or is normal dude voice fine, and it brings it up? Do you have to train after?

>>7719650
I believe normal dude voice is fine, and he actually injects you with botox to make you stop straining your voice as you often do with a trained voice.

>>7721063
Excellent. Sounds like the best 8k of my life I can spend.

Talking with the doctors now about the fat grafts.

>>7714465
Yeson style (korean) vical surgery can't fuck up your viuce forever. It's just a removable stitch.

$8000 for an interior stitch is still pretty expensive for what it might do tho.

>>7716659
Yes but cells split locally. If you move a lot of fat that regeneration will be less common in the area you removed it from and more common in the new area.

Tbh it's just an extra step after liposuction. Might as well put the fat where you want then throw it away.

>>7717163
He prefers you don't have one but will still do it.

When i booked my appointment he sent me clips of a tranny singing. Her voice sounded fine but she couldn't sing for shit. I don't think it's related to the surgery though.

>>7717763
>>7721089
>>7721179

>$8000 for an interior stitch is still pretty expensive for what it might do tho.

What might it do?

Well, if you can sing with a female voice after and still get a tracheal shave then I'll consider it again. Can he set the pitch slightly lower than he normally does too? Because the videos I watched years ago were a little high-pitched for me. I would prefer a bit of a lower, sultry kind of voice.

>>7714458
I've had VFS at Yeson in S. Korea.

Worth

>>7715002
Shit anon desu I was all set to rail against you for getting all those surgeries but looking at far you've come and how committed you were to getting that far; I have to recant.

You've come a long way huh?

>>7722993
Cost? Over all including travel?

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>>7716691
>It's an option a male doesn't have.
Wait
hold up
time out
gimme
JUST
ONE
MORE
SECOND

ARE YOU SUGGESTING
THAT NATURE
IN IT'S ~INFINITE~ *WISDOM*
HAS CREATED US
dare I say it?
UNEQUAL?

OH GOD
ITS TRUE ISNT IT
MEN CANNOT GIVE BIRTH
WOMEN CANT GO TO THE MOON
THERE ARE DEFINITE HORRIBLE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SEXES AND HOW THEY GET BY IN SOCIETY

THIS ISN'T WHAT FEMINISM SOLD ME
SAVE ME TRUDEAU

>>7722993
Excellent, will keep that in mind.

Sadly I'm a complete hon and I'm trying to prioritize FFS and body stuff.

I'm considering more and more and more by the hour getting into porn or something to pay it off. Wage slaving 80 hours a week and I can barely save up anything.

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>>7723030
8k for the surgery, 2k for hotels and food.

I'd do it all over again, got the surgery 2 years ago.

The cost is a small price to pay for having an unclockable natural no effort Voice for the rest of your life.

>>7723041
How dangerous is it? I heard that if so much as sneeze the wrong way you fuck up your vocal chords.

>>7723041

Oh also I wouldn't go to anyone else besides Yeson center with dr. Kim.

It's either the best, or nothing. It's everything you could imagine with private care, ur paying bucks, they deliver top notch services not just including the surgery but things like after care and answers to questions. No scars left behind and such.

>>7723054
Risk free with a 93% satisfied rate.

The younger you are, the better the results. Most unsatisfactor ppl are over the age of 40

>>7723054
I healed just fine and sneezed and coughed a little bit during recovery time.

The first 7 days are the most important to not make sound.

>>7723041

Could you post a voice clip, about a minute each of you singing and of you talking?

>>7723071
>>7723041
>tfw have to wait a year
Hardest year ever, I just want a nice voice. Having a passing but bleh voice sucks.
I heard intubulation can potentially ruin it though, did he tell you anything about that?

>>7723088
Sadly I can't because I am stealth and am paranoid as shit. But I can tell you some info that says a lot.

>I was 130Hz pre surgery.
>now 210Hz post 2 years no effort
>had to do the vocal exercises they tell you for a while
>right out of surgery (2 months after) not a lot of change, the change happens slowly over a year.
>2 months post op I was like a 177hz

>>7723099
You just need a smaller breathing tube for other surgeries. Which is no big deal at all.

>>7723108

Well, do you like your own singing voice then? Does it sound cis? How would you classify it (soprano, mezzo-soprano, contra-alto)? Would you say your voice is lower, higher, or the same pitch than most women you meet?

>>7723119

Is that something the surgeon would know to do, like do cis women normally get smaller tubes compared to men? Like if you completed your transition and your voice is healed up but got in an accident that left you in a coma and emergency surgery has to be performed on you without time to ask a close contact about that important bit of info, would they just shove the bigger tube down your throat? Or would they give you a smaller one because women generally would have smaller throats?

>>7723108
What about resonance? Did you train that pre-surgery? I've heard some people say you still need to train your voice, but I've also heard reports that Dr. Kim says to just do the exercises and speak naturally.

>>7723183
My resonance was pretty female actually, the surgery is magic if you already have a half assed gay boy voice

>>7723040

But you're a hon, how can you do porn? Only passers can do porn.

>>7723245
I'm someone out there is degenerate enough to give an ugly rat a few hundred bucks for sucking dick.

Besides, if I do get carved up on a table, even the most hunniest of hons could at least look passable, right?

>>7723245

There were threads years ago using pics from shemale yum videos, and boy, were there some hons. Some anon said the guy who looks for trannies to put in the porn recordings, Goobie or something like that, has no standards.

>>7723277
>tfw that was who you wanted to apply to
I wonder how much the hons make before they burn out.

>>7723277

Anything goes in tranny porn, it's disgusting, and men like the "cd" look