Could someone explain this to me?

>two soft dykes making out
pretty simple

best femboys desu

>>7692807
Explain what about it exactly?

>>7692807
T R E N D E R
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>>7693441
Not currently passing does not equal trender.
In fact alex on the left just got top surgery and seems pretty trutrans.

>>7692807
Crossdressing lesbians.

>>7693461
Just the amount of "gay" ftm trenders makes me believe all gay ones are. This is coming from a straight ftm.

>>7693483
I think some gay/bi FtMs ARE trenders, but sure as fuck not all of us. This shit is getting so obnoxious that I'm tempted just to say I'm straight so people don't think I'm some Tumblr fag hag who took it too far.

>>7693464
>wearing plaid
>crossdressing lesbians

As a femboy, they are cute.

If you're already into guys, not having to interact with dick might ease your dysphoria. Your partner will share some of your experiences, which is always nice, and no bullshit about having to come out to them or "does this make me gay/straight?" that monosexual cis folks seem so fond of.

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>>7692807
>Two gays gaying it up.
Why do you need this explained?

>>7692807
Fucking lesbians wanting to fit as gay men to feed their endless female attention thirst.

They're actually both on T now and one of them got a mastectomy
https://youtu.be/J6ssDJF_fWg

>>7693834
>lesbians wanting to be gay men
>to satisfy "endless female attention thirst," presumably from men
>fucking each other

Yeah, that computes.

>>7693954
>Doubting the levels of attentionwhoring a female can reach.

>>7693483
The amount of detranstion trans men who where lesbians makes me think all straight ftms are really lesbians too. This is coming from a bi ftm.

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>>7693968
Well, I guess that explains why virtually every prominent trans person is an FtM and MtFs tend to keep their heads down and are virtually ignored by the mainstream.

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>>7694039
I think that's more related to incompetence than lack of trying.

>>7693993
The amount of ftms that look like lesbians and date lesbians and detransition makes me think there's no such thing as ftm. This is coming from cismale.

>>7694039
>Well, I guess that explains why virtually every prominent trans person is an FtM and MtFs tend to keep their heads down and are virtually ignored by the mainstream.
That's entirely due to society's fascination with men in dresses. Women in drag are basically commonplace now and don't really hold any interest.

>>7694094
The amount of cismen that look like men and date women but end up as transbians makes me think there's no such thing as a cismale. This is coming from a cisfemale.

>>7694133
The amount of women that act and do retarded shit makes me think there's no such thing as an intelligent woman. This is coming from a gaymale.

>>7694133
The amount of cisfemales that look like gay men and date straight men but end up as nonbinary demisexual aromantics makes me think there's no such thing as a cisfemale. This is coming from an Apache attack helicopter.

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>>7693878
>implying cis women don't remove their tits for attention

with the amount of transbians out there I fail to see the problem with this

>>7692807
Too many yaoi anime.

>>7694231
Are you just trolling? She had a 90% chance of developing a highly aggressive breast cancer.

I just like getting anal. And zero girls will do this. So i gay it up.

>>7692807
just like mtf transsexualism, the causes of ftm transsexualism vary and one is a specific sexual orientation known as autoandrophilia where a natal female is oriented towards being a gay man
problem solved
>>7693993
i've met the detransitioned 'lesbians', some of who i knew while they were transitioned
they're all bi in reality, they dated guys when they were transitioning

>>7701043
>autoandrophilia where a natal female is oriented towards being a gay man
Explain bi/straight AGP's and AAP's then.

>>7701329
meta-attraction (blanchard calls it 'pseudo-androphilia', meta-attraction is more neutral in both the gender and identity sense)
a subset of a*ps get off specifically to the idea of being with a man/woman as a woman/man
also, for bi aaps specifically, bisexuality is to a greater or lesser degree the default female sexuality (this is also how there are some, though not many, bi hsts mtfs)

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>>7693483
>be gay ftm
>mfw all this butthurt

its ok, we're just as confused about our own sexuality as the rest of you. The gay FtMs that aren't attention whores (read, not trenders) tend to avoid broadcasting our gayness, because we either get a reaction like >>7693441 or we're covered in chasers looking for "cuntboys" before we finish our sentence.

I dunno, I like dick. I can actually take dick when people aren't fucking me like a lady, so I try to take it like a man. I don't know why all of these angry lesbians shew up and started screaming at people, please don't assume they speak for me.

>>7701598
How do you tell the difference between them and non-A*P bi/straight trans people?

>>7701714
sexual orientation is one of the less important typology aspects, really
the way people act is more important -- whether someone is more naturally male or female in behaviour, for lack of a better descriptor
even if you isolate gender roles from it, men and women don't act the same
also, the degree to which someone needs to be wholly accepted socially as their transition sex to assauge dysphoria

>>7701661
I dont get it who are the angry lesbians?

>>7701843
How do you even tell whether someone's behavior/gender role is more masculine or feminine these days? Especially for outgroups like 4chan nerds.

>>7695083
still there was no need to make a show out of it

>>7692807
They're just lesbians trying to live out their yaoi fantasies.

>>7701899
i'm not saying masculine or feminine, i'm saying male or female
4chan nerds are almost exclusively male -- weird as the statement may sound, we're about as masculine by any reasonable definition of such as football players

>>7702004
Well how can you tell male and female behavior then? Because 4chan nerd isn't exactly what I would have chalked up as male.

>>7702058
funny thing is, agp is strongly associated with nerdiness
it's unknown whether that association is innate (nerds develop agp more than anyone else) or coincidental (various types of natal males develop agp, nerds have the opportunity to transition because it's less stigmatized)
aap is almost completely unstudied so it's unknown whether the association exists there, but anecdotally it does
you can see there the massive difference between male and female nerds -- male nerds (including transbians) become channers and redditors, female nerds (including transgays) become tumblrinas and fujoshis
they might have a couple of hobbies (anime, vidya) in common, but they express it in entirely different ways
but it's clearly not all socialization, because plenty of trans people gravitate to the behaviour patterns of their transitioned sex even if they have very strong social influences against it, and when these people meet other trans people who act like their natal sex it can be confusing to say the least

>>7702084
>it's unknown whether that association is innate (nerds develop agp more than anyone else) or coincidental (various types of natal males develop agp, nerds have the opportunity to transition because it's less stigmatized)
It's probably that AGP either comes from or causes the the conditions which leads to being a nerd.

But what is the distinction between male and female behavior, which defines channer and redditor nerdiness as male and tumblrina and fujoshi nerdiness as female?

>but it's clearly not all socialization, because plenty of trans people gravitate to the behaviour patterns of their transitioned sex even if they have very strong social influences against it, and when these people meet other trans people who act like their natal sex it can be confusing to say the least
That could be simply individual variety in what behavior patterns someone picks up. Social influences are subtle so I don't know what you had in mind but there will be times when even someone who seems to get overwhelmingly male/female social influences is still getting the other in some way.

>>7701661
>angry lesbians
???

what

>>7702084
>>7702158
It seems like AGP needs to be broken down into typologies. There seem to be at least 2 groups of AGP transsexual/transgender
1. The fetish consumes them and makes them trans. The AGP that everyone seems to assume.

2. They were trans to begin with, but only developed AGP as a coping mechanism. Or something like having a more or less female mind, in a male body with male levels of sex hormones. Add to that the way males are expected to not show any femininity, they may act out in weird ways.
(also wouldn't be surprised if we saw similar behaviors in natal females if they were drugged with Test. at developmental ages and forced to not show any femininity)

>>7692807
lesbians looking for attention

>>7701661
>I dunno, I like dick. I can actually take dick when people aren't fucking me like a lady, so I try to take it like a man.

So you only do anal or what?

>>7704500
Not that anon, but it's fairly common for FtMs.

>>7693878

wow damn all that money to be able to take off his shirt but he still has blatantly female torso, shoulders, and arms. just with crater nips

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>>7692807
>explain this to me

men are superior.
gay sex is the best sex.
it isn't hard to understand.

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>>7692807
Yaoi, not even once.

>>7701978
>lesbians
>yaoi fantasies

And I guess you think gay men like lesbian porn?

>>7704840

Lesbians secretly want to be gay men. Gay men don't secretly want to be lesbians.

>>7704840
I do know lots of lesbians who love yaoi. Some started calling themselves nonbinary or trans after a while, and look like OP's pic.

t. ftm who's only into girls

>>7704718
you can't even see his full torso

>>7693878
wtf he looks so much better in this than in the OP thumbnail

also
>tfw you will never have a cute accent

>>7693878
God damn, he's so fucking cute but I'd never fuck him in a million years because it's weird that he was born a girl and has a pussy.

Does that make me a terrible person?

>>7706561
Yes

>>7706561
No

>>7706561
Maybe

>>7701661
>angry lesbians
trender straight girl spotted

>>7701661
You sound like a gay man chaser desu.

t. straight ftm

>>7701953
Famous people make a show of everything by virtue of being celebrities
Western celebrity culture is what's to blame here

>>7706561
I don't know. Can you repeat the question?