/agpg/ - AGP General

what happened to the other new thread...

>>7684360
it tenpaged

>>7684399
no, not the old, thread, the old new thread. the one with the qt and fixed op message

>>7684416
maybe mods deemed it premature

>>7684432
well, it was. very.

so is agp also just part of being trans?

Does that mean strong burly men have whatever the opposite is?

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>>7682457
>woman

>>7684323
>let the falsehood hold for at least two presidential terms and the duration of Brexit.
wat

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>>7684551
Strong burly men are the most feminine.

>>7684566
>let the falsehood hold now for over 9000 years.
Translated for you.

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>>7684602

>>7684513
it seems most of the people who experience strong enough agp that they bother to research or discuss about it are trans yes.

>>7684304
>But you still continue to deny that you conflate "female" with "weak", right? You ugly, ugly, misogynistic troll.
but i haven't ever conflated the two. i just want to be both.

>>7684602
>that's a nice Photoshop
>wait

>>7684513
Answer in the OP.

>>7684551
The opposite is autoandrophilia or AAP. FtMs sometimes have it, not cis men.

>>7684671
how do i tell if i'm incurably trans or just agp?

>>7684680
You can't be two contradictory things at the same time.

>inb4 not contradictory
>inb4 not conflating
That denial.

>>7684785
but they aren't contradictory

>>7684795
>denies female = strong
>denies he conflates female with weak
Summary of you.

>>7684784
depends how much you think about it and how much is causes you stress I guess

>>7684818
>she*

>>7684818
so what that i do want to be a weak girl?

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>>7684784
Why care? I don't care what label I'm awarded by retards as long as it doesn't set me back.

>>7684935
Have you tried buying hot ice cream yet?

>>7684823
i think about it all the time. i can't tell how much stress it causes me.

>>7684941
but do i transition?

>>7684993
According to trutranses, transitioning doesn't make you trans because everyone can transition. You can agree with them or not. To me, it's nothing but word picking.

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>>7684935
Sorry to break your illusion but this pic is not "woman". Consequently, you're not AGP.

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>autogynephilia, 4chan edition

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>This transformation has taken me 6 long years, not 1 or 2 years, but 6 years with HEAVY weights.

>>7685140
How do I start?

>>7685153
Quit anti-androgens.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ἀσθενής
>without strength, weak
>feeble, sickly
>sick, ill
>insignificant
>poor

Not
>feminine

>>7684993
well cis people don't question their gender beside an occasional just for fun thing, if you are thinking about it all the time there is probably something to it.

why are there so many pics of kids? did this thread get invaded by pedos?

>>7685316
Yes, one poster is a troll who throws accusations at anybody stupid enough to reply while posting pics they really shouldn't have on their HDD. He was in the last thread too.

>>7685316
Yes, why did somebody post anime child porn in OP?

>>7685355
Yes, one poster ITT is not a pedophile.

>>7685309
>grass must be greener elsewhere
how does one know they aren't looking for an out or just trying to escape from their crap or mediocre life?

>>7685637
Protip: that's always part of it.

>>7685680
>transitioning
but what happens if it's not greener, but instead pure emptiness b/c you lose everything

>>7685741
The great dilemma of transition.

>>7685782
Donald Trump did it, so can you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_transition_of_Donald_Trump

>>7685867
>some old hon can transition to be president but you can't transition to be a gril

>>7685637
try and if it makes you feel better great if it doesn't try to figure out why you aren't feeling better and go from there.

>>7685140
>>7685152
what is this thicc meme and why do some of you talk like pseudo intellectuals

>>7686008
>why do some of you talk like pseudo intellectuals
because troglodytes can't into agp

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Do other people here have specific women that trigger their AGP?

Chastain triggers me almost every time I see her. I think it's because she has a somewhat masculine face, but is still very beautiful and feminine. It makes me fool myself into thinking I could look like her and be as beautiful as she is.

I used to think I was just attracted to her and wanted to be with her, but now I realize I want to be her. I honestly have trouble watching the movies she is in, even though like her as an actress, because I just keep thinking about AGP stuff whenever she is on screen.

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>>7686047
>Do other people here have specific women that trigger their AGP?
Every ciswoman that would look good with a penis.

>>7685896
>try to figure out why you aren't feeling better and go from there.
2nd part sounds good

>>7686117
You are >>7684558 >>7685045 >>7685063

>>7686163
No shit, Sherlock.

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>>7686047
This woman.
Every time.

>>7684360
>>7684416
>>7684482
I'm sorry for failing you. I did my best. It wasn't enough.

>>7684818
female!=strong and male!=strong, unless we're talking of things as meaningless as physical strength. Humans by and large are quite weak regardless of sex.

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>>7686196
"This is a movie about alien interspecies rape," O'Bannon said in the documentary Alien Evolution. "That's scary because it hits all of our buttons." O'Bannon felt that the symbolism of "homosexual oral rape" was an effective means of discomforting male viewers.

After O'Bannon handed him a copy of Giger's book Necronomicon, Scott immediately saw the potential for Giger's designs, and chose Necronom IV, a print Giger completed in 1976, as the basis for the Alien's design, citing its beauty and strong sexual overtones. That the creature could just as easily have been male or female was also a strong factor in the decision to use it. "It could just as easily fuck you before it killed you", said line producer Ivor Powell, "[which] made it all the more disconcerting."

Giger's design for the Alien evoked many contradictory sexual images. As critic Ximena Gallardo notes, the creature's combination of sexually evocative physical and behavioral characteristics creates, "a nightmare vision of sex and death. It subdues and opens the male body to make it pregnant, and then explodes it in birth. In its adult form, the alien strikes its victims with a rigid phallic tongue that breaks through skin and bone. More than a phallus, however, the retractable tongue has its own set of snapping, metallic teeth that connects it to the castrating vagina dentata."

>>7686287
Perfect.

>>7686247
>female ≠ strong ∧ male ≠ strong
adult = strong
adult = {woman, man}

:)

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Am I gay for liking this woman?

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Apparently yes, because "she looks like a man" by 4chan standards.

>tfw you realize you'd probably have a way easier, better life if you took female hormones and dressed up like a woman
Fucking hate this fucked society.

>>7686820
i'm not sure tranny life is so easy.

>>7686829
Maybe if you're a fucking hon but if you pass at all it's fucking ridiculous. Like I'm actually at the point where I'm starting to resent trannies that pass for how much easier they have it then most men.

>>7686832
they do the right thing. shouldn't people be rewarded for doing the right thing? it means that there is justice. trannies deserve all the luxury in the world.

>>7686466
>Am I gay for liking this woman?
>Am I gay for liking woman?
>gay for liking woman
Welcome to 4chan

>>7686851
:)

>>7686847
What the fuck
Like people bitch about white men lashing out and then they turn around and do shit like this.

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>>7687184
Sorry, wrong picture.

>>7684784

Well... you're here, aren't you?

>>7686820
iktf, i'm sure it's behind my trans feelings

Need some serious advice. How is transitioning as an AGP?
Do you sometimes wish you were a man again?
Are you happier generally as a woman?

I've fetishised being a girl for many years, mostly it's just been a fantasy to fap to.
However, it's been causing a lot of distress lately. Been seriously considering HRT for weeks, maybe months. Have considered it earlier too during the years, but not as strongly ad now. Not being a girl gets me down and unhappy at times.

Am I even transitioning material?
>20 y.o
>still kinda babyface
>rectangular body. sort of broad shoulders I guess
>no hair on chest, slow beard growth. probably done with puberty.

Don't expect you to tell me do this or do that, I just wanna hear what you think or similar stories.
Sorry if I'm too vauge, not really sure about anything these days.

>>7688099
>I've fetishised being a girl for many years, mostly it's just been a fantasy to fap to.
>Not being a girl gets me down and unhappy at times.
Me too. I want to get a boyfriend and see if that helps before trying transition.

>>7684784
If you are agp you are trans. Forget about Blanchard and all pseudoscience around it because that's just confusing little checkbox to fill. Your sexuality and your personality can be a mix of many things.

Would you want to satisfy a man in bed just because you get off to the idea seeing yourself in a female position and would this pretending in your head during sex satisfy your needs? Do you want to become a woman socially or just in bed? Are you disgusted by your body image (doesn't apply in the sense I am fat but the general characteristics of your sex). or is your body shape and sex organs causing you discomfort?

You may not even be attracted to men and yet you can be in a gay relationship to satisfy your agp.

Do you watch porn? How often and what kind?

>>7688099
fyi you're right puberty is probably mostly done but some things like body hair/chest hair and beard will continue to grow and get thicker until ~mid 30s. look at the difference between a 20 year old trying to grow a shitty scraggly beard and a 30 year old who can get a full face of hair.

>>7688121
I'm thinking sort of the same actually. Or at least I'll have sex with a guy to see how I feel about it

>>7688241
Does that ruin my chances of passing?

>>7688305
That depends on many things.

If you start taking HRT.
If you have the resources for a FFS and access to a doctor with great experience in his field
If you are willing to learn exercise techniques and apply them regularly
If you are willing to take a good care of your skin and hair and have a good diet
If you have resources for additional procedures (laser removal is just a tip of the iceberg)

>>7688305
not definitely it just means you would need to spend more money and time doing hair removal. also it would probably make you feel worse (increase your dysphoria) if your body and facial hair thicken.

>>7688099
Most of the people who stick around here are those who didn't transition for whatever reason. A few posters who used to post here transitioned and reported being much happier before leaving. One, who I still miss, said she doesn't really feel AGP anymore. I know of two ex-AGP transitioners who post on /mtfg/. They seemed happier too.

I can't promise you things will work out for you. I'm staying as I am because I have no hope of passing. I can only say that transitioning worked for some like you and that if your dysphoria is bad enough it might be worth it.

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>>7688433
>>7688444
Let's say I have time and resources for all that, do I have potential? Be honest

>>7688525
>One, who I still miss, said she doesn't really feel AGP anymore.
Yeah I've been wondering about that. I guess it's harder to find arousing when you've become the girl you fantasize about

I can't stop crossdressing and sucking off Black men from Tindr.

Is this AGP ?

Am I AGP if I'm turned on at the thought of having sex as a woman? I don't dress femininely, I'm a top, and nothing about myself turns me on except for that. In fact, I lift but muscle is an unattractive trait to me. It's a natural response, isn't it? Sex itself is arousing, but thinking of doing it as a male is depressing and unappealing.

>>7688525
Just because you are trans doesn't mean you have to transition or that you have dysphoria. Agp is nonsense. It's a spectrum. I am happy about my trans state [you call agp] since I don't have dysphoria and I enjoy my sex.

I am here just to talk with people similar to me. I enjoy the honest discussion and acceptance that average people would never have. Sadly even this community is often misguided because Blanchard pushed a notion of pseudoscience forward. Tthe follow up studies using his work aren't making it any better or easier on us since even the rest of the trans community is hating us (which is quite hypocritical).

>>7688603
I've worked in a different field so I can't give you an answer about your facial features and whether you are a good candidate for FFS. Find an expert. Find a second and third one to have multiple opinions. The good ones already use software models to determine the shape of your face after a surgery with relatively good results.

You seem to have a small pelvis. Something to think about and discuss with a specialist further. Remember that exercise can visually improve your body silhouette to a desired shape if you are willing to jump on a thicc meme. A good nutritionist and a trainer or even your own research might be enough.

>>7688603
well desu I think your face looks kind of like a butch dyke or early transition ftm so yeah you have potential

one issue I see is you skull seems kind of large (sorry for skull autism the spam has got to me) but I'm still unsure how much that really matters for passing

>>7688606
idk probably

side note I am still uncomfortable with how people fetishize black men it is very racist

>>7688725
At least it tells you who's morally okay to kill.

>>7688697
See:
>>7657290
It could be AGP and it be something more.

>>7688701
Fair enough. I guess I'm projecting my bitterness on others. Most-everyone here just seem so sad all the time though, and the few transitioners we had left shortly after finding themselves.

>>7688701
I'll try to contact some specialists, thanks.
maybe I'll try that trap aesthetic meme that's floating around

>>7688715
>butch dyke
mega kek. thanks though. will definitely google big headed women

>>7688727
Sounds like I'm not AGP then. The thought alone of being female doesn't turn me on, nor the way I dress or anything like that. Then again, I've already been living as female for a long time now. I only just recently came to /lgbt/ and am learning all this weird terminology so it got me curious.

>>7688697
Agp is pseudoscience. It is an attempt to put all trans people who don't have dysphoria and are turned on by it into one box and all it serves is a confusion and hatred in the trans community.

It doesn't matter whether you are a top or not. You can be attracted to tiles and still be somewhere on the trans spectrum. The real question is wheter you want to be a man or a woman in daily life or just in bed. If you want to be a woman just during sex you may find a gay relationship as a good solution even if you are not attracted to men since you may be attracted to the roleplay and yourself so much to find it good enough.

>>7688603
>>7688715
>>7688740
Gotta second the butch dyke comment

>>7688741
What the fuck.

>>7688741
>Agp is pseudoscience
Sure, but let me note that dysphoria can and does show up alongside AGP

>>7688697
>>7688740
Danni Daniels is that you?

>>7688754
>>7688760
Agp is just a name of specific traits on the trans spectrum. Yes the symptoms are very real but the work behind it is just nonsense. In layman's terms you can be trans, have a fetish about it and not have dysphoria (agp). Or you can be trans and have dysphoria. What I am saying is both are trans because trans is a spectrum that can be a combination of different things.

I'd say we should get rid of the name because it's just confusing to people who are trying to learn something about themselves only to find little checkboxes when they have a very nuanced spectrum of sexuality.

>>7688782
never heard about this person before..

interesting I guess...

>>7688782
No, though I do like her. Difference being my dick still functions.

>>7688603

You will not be the prettiest bitch your AGP mind can imagine, but I think you could pass for cis.

>>7688830
Your point of view is interesting and one I'm not entirely sure I understand. I understand that transsexuality and having this fetish are two different things that correlate but do not depend on one another but I don't get how one could be trans and not experience dysphoria. How do you define transsexuality?

>>7688870
Transsexuality is literally just anyone that wants to be the opposite gender.

>>7688914
Most people on this board define it as some kind of specific condition that somehow causes dysphoria. Excluding anyone without dysphoria or whose dysphoria has a known psychological cause.

>>7688859
wait a second are you telling me I won't be a lewd anime qt? what the hell

>>7688941
Well those people are wrong. The definition of words aren't about how you feel they mean, they are what they mean.

Some normal guy can wake up one day and just decide to be a woman because he thinks he can do it and thinks it would be fun. So he does, and he does it without fear and convincingly becomes a she. No dysphoria, no trauma, no stress, just does it because why not. Still a transsexual.

>>7688965
Yeah they would deny that would ever happen, claim she would feel dysphoria as a girl, misgender her, and basically just get all round triggered.

If she didn't feel dysphoria as a girl, then that would be proof she was trans all along after all.

>>7688965
>Some normal guy can wake up one day and just decide to be a woman because he thinks he can do it and thinks it would be fun. So he does, and he does it without fear and convincingly becomes a she. No dysphoria, no trauma, no stress, just does it because why not. Still a transsexual.

But does such a person exist?

>>7688870
I am a very tall dominant masculine man. I can get off to the idea of me anatomically being a woman in sex so much that even though I am not attracted to men I could probably enjoy sex with another man as a bottom. I consider myself heterosexual and I am interested in women both as sexual and romantic partners. I have a very powerful empathy and when I combine it with my trans spectrum and cannabis I can empathize with my female partner so much I feel her sensations and orgasms as mine (so I get physical pleasure both as a man and as a woman). I don't want to transition and I enjoy being a man. I would never want to be a woman in daily life. You call it agp. Fine. I love my agp but I don't consider it as many people do because that only creates confusion.

Since I worked in the diagnostic field of a hard science (neurology) I cannot accept Blanchard's pseudoscience seriously. It's based on assumptions and not objective data. I still consider myself a trans person that is somewhere on the trans spectrum. A person may want to transition for various reasons and none of them has to have anything to do with dysphoria. Or like in my case a person doesn't have to feel the need to transition because they are happy with their current state.

I am sympathetic to the 'you don't need to have dysphoria to be trans' stance and I definitely do not think it's okay to tell someone who feels they are trans that they aren't but even if they only feel gender euphoria doesn't that mean they are not satisfied with their assigned gender? isn't that dysphoria?

>>7689034
>I can get off to the idea of me anatomically being a woman in sex so much that even though I am not attracted to men I could probably enjoy sex with another man as a bottom.
What's up with this? It's the most intriguing part of AGP to me. It's like I've got a sexuality inside my sexuality.

>>7689037
This is a good question that should be the basis of every agp thread in my opinion. Again since it's a spectrum and not a binary position If you find your gender euphoria indeed too powerful it can be a good reason to transition since your trans gender may give you a more enjoyable life. I don't think it's a dysphoria because your current state is not the basis of your suffering, you only find the alternative more interesting.

>>7689050
It means your sexual focus is on yourself and not your partner. Your partner is just giving you an ability to fulfil a desired role. Yes you want him to be satisfied but you want his source coming from the fact you were a good girl, not because you were trying to satisfy him.

>>7689102
Why do most people have normal sexuality instead?

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The entire basis for my transition was this fetish and it helped push me to get a bunch of surgeries but it's getting impossible to sate. I pass already and live normally but I have nowhere left to go in that direction so I'm losing the only turn on I had. Not really sure what to do.

>>7689169
happy birthday

>tfw another night you end up on omegle looking for validation with make up put on as if done by a 12 yr old.

>>7689169
How far have you transitioned?

Why are you losing your turn-on? What's it like without a turn-on?

>>7689152
Because of evolution. Your condition is a part of evolutionary strategy and if your trait doesn't give you any advantage over your competition or even places you in a disvantageous position it's only reasonable to expect your case won't be in the majority.

If you are not passing on your genes you have a disadvantageous trait. Evolution only cares about your offspring (reproduction success).

>>7689243
Then why would any male have an agp self focused sexuality?

Why don't girls have it? If I was a girl it would get me to reproduce.

>>7689169
why not just approach sex as a normal female then?

>>7689248
>Then why would any male have an agp self focused sexuality?
because nature and biology are not perfect there will always be outliers
>Why don't girls have it? If I was a girl it would get me to reproduce.
they do have it

>>7689291
If cis girls have agp how come transition makes it go away? like for anon >>7689169 and many others.

>>7689248
Because evolution is shooting into the dark with random mutations. Most are not beneficial but some prove to be indeed very advantageous.

If you think of Blanchard's agp then yes, most women would seem to have it but that's not the case in my opinion. If you understand agp from the perspective of trans spectrum it's not that simple. I remember a case of a woman who identified with the Blanchard's description of agp and she described it as being trapped in the right body. The sexual fantasy made it somehow alienating for her since she was already in the right body.

Even a post under yours is describing something similar >>7689169

That's why it's not a binary agp with or without trans but all just a nuances of the same spectrum.

>>7689331
>I remember a case of a woman who identified with the Blanchard's description of agp and she described it as being trapped in the right body. The sexual fantasy made it somehow alienating for her since she was already in the right body.
How can that happen? How can you be trapped in the right body?

Why would a sexuality focused on yourself lead to that?

I'm not talking about Blanchard's agp, I'm talking about the actual experience of people in this thread.

Also >>7689301 if cis girls have it?

>>7689220
Transitioned fully. I mean that it's hard to feel turned on by something that seems so normal now. What it's like without it is boring, not worth what I put in I guess.

>>7689283
That's pretty much the direction I've been going in. I guess I'm just disappointed.

>>7689377
>Transitioned fully.
Including SRS? A few threads ago someone posted saying she'd got SRS and still had AGP and was loving it.

How did you expect to be different from a normal cis girl sexually?

>>7689391
Yeah including SRS. I wasn't expecting anything different, just to not lose the feeling of AGP, it isn't gone entirely but it's like really weak and I have no other turn ons really so I just have kind of stopped masturbating entirely.

>>7689410
I'm sorry. I hope you can enjoy what being a girl does still offer. I decided not to transition because of fear of ending up in your position, and fear of not passing or not feeling like a real girl. But being male forever isn't something I enjoy either. It's like there's no right answer for us.

>>7689440
Thanks I guess, objectively I'm more attractive as a girl and it helps me with my work but sexually the entire thing has been unlucky. When people ask me if they should do it or not I usually ask them if it's AGP and if it is maybe think twice. Can't speak for everyone though since it's so varied. I guess there are no right answers and we just take life as it is. Appreciate the talk anon.

>>7689410
I suspect your testosterone levels are too low. What does your endocrinologist say to your problems? Are your blood tests without any abnormalities?

>>7689458
Do you regret transitioning, or going so far like SRS, on balance? If being like a normal girl sexually isn't fulfilling would you consider detransition? Is being a girl with faint AGP still better than full AGP as a guy?

>and it helps me with my work
How does it help?

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>>7689481
I've been continuing the same level of antiandrogens as before SRS but I don't see an endo just PCP does blood work to make sure everything is stable. Could be it actually thanks for the suggestion.

>>7689494
If I could go back pre-hormones pre-everything I would. I don't think it was worth the years/money invested right now, but I can't say for sure where I'd be if I didn't. After SRS I don't see a point in detransitioning. I'd rather just integrate and try to feel normal than spend more money undoing surgeries and still ending up looking like somewhere in the middle. Honestly idk if I can answer the third question it's too hard for me to judge. For work, I stream on twitch and make lots of money. I made 2000 dollars in a 2.5 hour stream today it's pretty unreal. pic related.

>>7689537
That's you? Your shoulders are maybe a bit wide but you look great. On an emotional level I just can't imagine being unhappy in your position, although rationally transition terrifies me.

>>7689537
when did you start transitioning? and how old are you now?

>>7689537
>agp transitioner
>makes a fortune streaming and being qt
it checks out

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>>7689581
Yeah, it's those things we can never change that bother us the most you know even if they aren't that bad.

>>7689602
blockers at like 14 or 15, estrogen at like 17 or 18, SRS at 21, just turned 22 today.

>>7689619
the struggle.

>>7689624
How did you start so early without being trutrans? How GNC were you growing up?

>>7689641
Went into therapy at 12 after reading about Petras online, never felt trans in fact the most embarrassing thing is ingrained into my memory telling them during my psychological evaluation that I was a girl and I had to convince them that just because I didn't show stereotypical signs of being a girl that I wanted to be a tomboy. Saying "I am a girl" made me like super awkwardly embarrassed cause it felt wrong. Anyway, I was like the guinea pig for boston childrens hospital, they since have tightened restrictions but I got on AA pretty easily just by being sensible and convincing in my approach.

>>7689657
>Petras
I read about her online too but I was too scared to come out or say anything. Why did you if you never felt trans?

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>>7689674
AGP I guess, it was right around puberty and I thought it'd be easy to transition honestly. I was an advanced student and p overconfident in myself I read the process and it seemed pretty straightforward until I realized I was smart but a terrible actor.

>>7689301
>If cis girls have agp how come transition makes it go away?
because when you and everyone else around you see you as female having 'agp' feelings isn't something weird or gross it's just part of a normal average female sexuality.

>>7689691
Is that you?

>>7689691
It feels incredible that we could have had the exact same feelings, but your confidence led to transition and my withdrawn personality left me male, but then we both end up in the same place, here, because of those feelings.

>I was smart but a terrible actor.
Not that terrible, since you still got through. Tightening restrictions so that couldn't happen again might not be a good thing, since neither of us can say you're worse off after transitioning.

>>7689691
Funny if tha'ts actually you, then again I would be more surprised if a trans pro gamer wasn't AGP.

>>7689715
>>7689816
there was a collage showing this person when they weren't posing for the camera, and it was hon city

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>>7689715
yeh.

>>7689734
Yeah I guess both paths would've ended up in the same place I think you just saved a lot of money though.

>>7689816
Why's that?

>>7689837
4 years since I was 18. I started presenting as a girl my first year of college and subsequently dropped out because I didn't know wtf I was doing. Pretty happy nowadays even with candid and side views.

>>7689880
>I think you just saved a lot of money though.
Does that matter? You said you made $2000 today, so if you did have money problems, I guess they are over now. It's the time invested that can never be replaced, but time is lost whatever anyone does.

>>7689880
yeah sure that's you liar you didn't even bother changing filenames when you saved those other pics off 4chan and imgur

this is girl is that trans girl who tried to go pro in league of legends idk what she is doing now

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>>7689941
I mean at the time it wasn't nothing. I don't know your financial situation but maybe you would be worse off or better off than me I don't know. The time invested true, I think it would have been easier to fix myself as a guy mentally and love myself easier than it has been to even like myself as a girl.

>>7689950
Sound.

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>>7689966
bonus we're all gonna make it.

>>7689966
>I think it would have been easier to fix myself as a guy mentally and love myself easier than it has been to even like myself as a girl.
Seeing how agpg or trans communities in general look like I doubt that, but then I guess we just never hear about those who "fixed" themselves.

Pretty interesting to say that with your own face as someone kind of internet famous though.

>>7690000
Honestly I don't have much to lose speaking out as someone kinda efamous. I plan in the next like couple months to drop from League entirely and just be off the radar doing my own thing so I can say all I want to say rn it feels pretty nice.

>>7690000
>implying most even make it
seems like most just go back to being male when they can't pass or get tired of being trans

>>7689966
>but maybe you would be worse off or better off than me I don't know.
What do you mean? Maybe I wouldn't have passed or wouldn't have got into streaming, but I don't think being able to make that much per day would make anyone worse off financially.

>I think it would have been easier to fix myself as a guy mentally and love myself easier than it has been to even like myself as a girl.
Fix yourself how? I'm surviving without transition but I wouldn't call myself fixed. Why can't you love yourself as a girl easily?

>>7690024
It is an easier path sometimes. Men are not judged mostly on looks like how women are judged.

There are some privilege on being a women but it fades away as they grow older in proportional with looks.

>>7690035
Yea I guess, I can't really complain.

And fix myself I mean wait it out. I think I could have taken better care of myself as a guy and built my self esteem up and just by convenience learned to love myself. But I'm only speculating since I made my decisions and I'm not living yours.

>>7689880
>both paths would've ended up in the same place
yeh but there's still a lot of life left and who knows how we'll feel in 10yrs from now

>>7689816
>I would be more surprised if a trans pro gamer wasn't AGP.
Because games aren't feminine?

>>7690050
What are the privileges women get and the ones they lose?

>>7690057
>all or nothing
did you ever think about being a trap?
as in being a guy who passes as a girl, a hybrid person

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zq6Va901ME

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>>7690086
continued...
it seems like people are going full tranny without exploring all of the possibilities like andro, cd, draq, etc

pic is former trans who is now andro model

>>7690086
They don't exist, not realistically. Only very few people can manage it but they eventually lose it because testosterone continues to do more and more damage.

>>7690057
Can we exchange email? I'd like to talk more and compare experiences.

>>7690145
She just did that because its much more profitable and she was bi and wanted children.

>>7688124
>Forget about Blanchard and all pseudoscience around it
Antisexual transwomen love it because it legitimises their desire to castrate themselves. Sexual transwomen (AGPs) are a threat because their existence invalidates that. Sexual transwomen don't hate their dicks, they just love female bodies.

>>7689248
>why would any male have an agp self focused sexuality?
to become more attractive to attractive sex partners
and less attractive to idiots

>>7689537
>For work, I stream on twitch and make lots of money. I made 2000 dollars in a 2.5 hour stream today it's pretty unreal. pic related.
I guess that's very encouraging to prospective dickgirls.

>>7691128
Wait how? Who are the attractive sex partners who are more attracted to me because I'm agp?

>>7689169
Are you not happier like this, overall? Don't you like this life better?

>>7691096
...someone hasn't read blanchard
asexual (anallerotic, in his writing) trans women are agp in the typology
it's worth noting the typology isn't even hsts/agp, it's hsts/nhsts, even if every single cis woman in the world had straight up 'masturbating in stolen panties' agp the typology would have the same validity it has (the debate being, of course, over how much validity that is)

>>7691176
She said this
>[approaching sex as a normal female is] pretty much the direction I've been going in. I guess I'm just disappointed.
>I wasn't expecting anything different, just to not lose the feeling of AGP, it isn't gone entirely but it's like really weak and I have no other turn ons really so I just have kind of stopped masturbating entirely.
>objectively I'm more attractive as a girl and it helps me with my work but sexually the entire thing has been unlucky. When people ask me if they should do it or not I usually ask them if it's AGP and if it is maybe think twice.
>If I could go back pre-hormones pre-everything I would. I don't think it was worth the years/money invested right now, but I can't say for sure where I'd be if I didn't. After SRS I don't see a point in detransitioning. I'd rather just integrate and try to feel normal than spend more money undoing surgeries and still ending up looking like somewhere in the middle.
>I think it would have been easier to fix myself as a guy mentally and love myself easier than it has been to even like myself as a girl.

>>7691174
>attracted to me because I'm agp?
No, attracted to you because you're sexy.
Being AGP motivates you to be sexy.

>Who are the attractive sex partners
People who are attracted to sexy things are sexy.

>>7691186
>asexual
>philia
*** Blanchard is now known as Retard

>>7691192
seems like maybe she is looking at the past with rose tinted glasses

>>7691209
Why do you say that?

>>7691216
assuming it would be easy (or even possible) to 'fix' herself and live happily as a man

>>7691196
>Being AGP motivates you to be sexy.
No, being attracted to girls would do that. AGP motivates me to forget about reproduction and, make myself unmanly, and seek out sex partners I can't reproduce with.

>>7691223
>make myself unmanly
"Make yourself sexy," you mean.

>No, being attracted to girls would do that.
No, no, no. Millions of cis men are attracted to girls and soomehow it doesn't make them look like girls.

>seek out sex partners I can't reproduce with
No, sexy people tend to be the fertile ones.

>>7691220
Why do you think that would be hard or impossible for her?

Why would she even be thinking about it if she was better off now?

>>7691233
>"Make yourself sexy," you mean.
Manly is sexy. Feminine males not so much.

>No, no, no. Millions of cis men are attracted to girls and soomehow it doesn't make them look like girls.
It makes them sexy in a manly way that is attractive to girls.

>No, sexy people tend to be the fertile ones.
I'm male and I seek out male partners, so it doesn't matter how fertile either of us are.

>>7691192
Sorry. I guess someone getting everything I wanted - including AGP going away! - being unhappy is blowing my mind. I'd give 25 points of IQ to be like her. I'm being insensitive though. People are different from one another. Sorry.

>>7691186
How can asexual trans women be agp? Or is that the point, any sexuality counts as agp if it's not hsts? Does it exclude cis women simply by says it doesn't cover them for no reason?

What validity do you think the typology has?

>'masturbating in stolen panties'
That's not agp. Stolen panties are a cishet guy thing. Just panties are what's agp.

>>7691241
>Why do you think that would be hard or impossible for her?
Not that person but I've heard of like two people who managed to do that, and one said that they wouldn't have transitioned even if they could. The vast majority, such as myself, wallow in misery forever. I don't think something like this can be overcome by sheer determination and confidence.

>>7691241
look at this thread and this board and all the people miserably repressing

of course there are many trannies who would rather be cis, being cis is almost always a much easier life. I think since she never really experienced repression she might be thinking it would be no big deal just get ripped or fuck a bunch of chicks or something and you'll stop wishing to be the little girl.

>>7691263
>That's not agp. Stolen panties are a cishet guy thing. Just panties are what's agp.
explain this then pro tip you can't

http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7559863

>>7691256
Don't apologize! Or if you do want to, say it to her not me. I just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

So you haven't transitioned? Why do you want AGP to go away? She transitioned to enjoy it.

>>7691273
Two posters in that thread already did
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7559863/#7560222
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7559863/#7560278

>>7691282
okay sorry I wasn't trying to say it's agp to sniff panties I don't care about that I was trying to say it's not just a cishet guy thing

>>7691256
You would have to work for it really hard. Misery is comforting because you adhere to what your brain is telling you: To let go. It's easier.

>>7691096
Just think about your statement for a second. If it's true it means Blanchard is wrong and agp is just a name for a nuanced spectrum of trans. The defined checkboxes are wrong.

>>7691273
This is a great example why psychology is just pseudoscience and why Blanchard's dishonest work only creates more confusion.

>>7691250
>is AGP
>"manly is sexy"
One of these statements must be a lie.

>It makes them sexy to girls.
Sexy to people without sex drive?
Doesn't that make it "unsexy"?

>I'm male and I seek out male partners
That's an unwarranted restriction
because (thankfully) gynephiles need not be male.

>is gynephile
>"I seek out male partners"
Another contradiction pinpointed.

>>7691290
It's not "just" a cishet guy thing, but it typically is, and some cis lesbians are close enough, unlike normal agps.

Also that thread might have been a troll.

>>7691273
>>7691282
>love is over
>LOVE IS OVER
Isn't it depressing?

>>7691294
>If it's true it means Blanchard is wrong
But that's what I mean.

>>7691296
>cishet
is that brother of amenhotep?

>>7691294
idk if I would call psychology 'pseudoscience' really no one in the psychology community accepts blanchards shit

>>7691274
>So you haven't transitioned?
No. I'm too old at this point, and don't have the genes for it.

>Why do you want AGP to go away?
I just want to be a normal woman. I find this condition immensly embarrassing and invalidating. Because of it I feel like a fake man and a fake woman at the same time. Like I don't have a real identity.

>>7691294
>You would have to work for it really hard. Misery is comforting because you adhere to what your brain is telling you: To let go. It's easier.
No matter how hard I work I have absolutely no chance of passing at this point.

>>7691295
>>is AGP
>>"manly is sexy"
>One of these statements must be a lie.
No I'm an androphilic AGP/my meta-bisexuality is really strong.

>>It makes them sexy to girls.
>Sexy to people without sex drive?
Girls do have sex drives?

>That's an unwarranted restriction
Female partners wouldn't suit me, except maybe very rare FTM personalities.

>>is gynephile
>>"I seek out male partners"
>Another contradiction pinpointed.
I'm not gynephile, I'm androphile and autogynephile. My gynephilia is inward, not directed at my partner.

>>7691325
>No. I'm too old at this point, and don't have the genes for it.
There are old women though.

>>7691325
>I'm too old at this point
How old? Why didn't you before?

>I just want to be a normal woman.
Why?

>I find this condition immensly embarrassing and invalidating. Because of it I feel like a fake man and a fake woman at the same time. Like I don't have a real identity.
But your identity doesn't need to be like a normal man or a normal woman?

>>7691328
>androphilic AGP.
Isn't it like being a Nazi Jew?

>Girls do have sex drives?
Without testosterone???

>FTM
Sadistic abominations.

>My gynephilia is inward, not directed at my partner.
"I want to be something I don't like."
That's masochism, not AGP.

>>7691334
You know what I mean. I'm too masculinized at this point.

>>7691337
>How old?
25, nearing 26.

>Why didn't you before?
Because by the time I realized this wasn't just a fetish it was too late.

>Why (do you want to be a normal woman)?
I don't know. I just do, and have for a long time now. I'm not even sure if what I feel is dysphoria. Once every few months I have these depressive bouts where I obsess over my gender but I don't feel like that all of the time. I dislike my body and would rather have a female one. Imagining myself with a less ugly male body just feels weird.

>But your identity doesn't need to be like a normal man or a normal woman?
I don't feel like I have one. What else can I say? Non-binary folks feel non-binary. I feel like nothing at all.

>>7691350
>>androphilic AGP.
>Isn't it like being a Nazi Jew?
No?

>Without testosterone???
With better orgasms?

>>FTM
>Sadistic abominations.
What's wrong with FTMs?

>"I want to be something I don't like."
>That's masochism, not AGP.
No, I like heterosexuality. I like how men and women complement each other, and I want to be the woman and my partner to be the man to complement.

>>7691350
>>Girls do have sex drives?
>Without testosterone???
girls have testosterone
>>FTM
>Sadistic abominations.
kill yourself

>>7691311
When I compare requirements in my field (neurology) to methodology of fields in psychology I'd say it's pseudoscience.

>>7691353
I recommend trying various cannabis strains (emphasis on various to find a strain that is good for you and emphasis on vaporizers and edibles, not smoking) and focusing on your sexuality and fetish part of it more (during masturbation while high for example). Perhaps you would find a gay relationship with a man who would treat you like his woman in bed appealing. You can still have an amazing sex life that satisfies the woman inside you if you are afraid to transition and cannabis can make it all much better and the focus on your fantasy very real.

Also if you are not doing any cardio and have a bad diet you have to change it asap. In my experience good sex life and cadio solves many issues. If you need to be viewed as a woman in society you have to transition though.

>>7691358
>girls have testosterone
Have you tried to tell this to FTMs and their doctors? They seem unaware of it.

>kill yourself
Confirmed for sadistic abomination.

>>7691353
>I'm not even sure if what I feel is dysphoria. Once every few months I have these depressive bouts where I obsess over my gender but I don't feel like that all of the time.
Try to keep the mindset from when you don't feel that way and make it your overall outlook? That's what I try to do.

>I dislike my body and would rather have a female one.
I try to separate myself from my body and not think of it as who I am.

>I don't feel like I have one. What else can I say? Non-binary folks feel non-binary. I feel like nothing at all.
Have an identity that's personal to you. You don't have to be a gender. Your personality is your identity.

>>7691350
>>androphilic AGP.
>Isn't it like being a Nazi Jew?
wtf?

>>7691381
>I recommend trying various cannabis strains (emphasis on various to find a strain that is good for you and emphasis on vaporizers and edibles, not smoking) and focusing on your sexuality and fetish part of it more (during masturbation while high for example). Perhaps you would find a gay relationship with a man who would treat you like his woman in bed appealing. You can still have an amazing sex life that satisfies the woman inside you if you are afraid to transition and cannabis can make it all much better and the focus on your fantasy very real.
Thank you for trying to help but I think I'm rather unlike you in this department. I'm uninterested in having sex with this body and even if I transitioned and looked perfect I'm not sure that would be a priority for me. This is mostly about being comfortable with myself, or at least that's how I feel. I do get aroused by your standard "AGP" gamut which conflicts with those feelings. Maybe I'm lying to myself? I can't tell. What I can say is that even being aroused by these things feels like self-betrayal.

I've never done drugs and I don't intend to start, especially since I already suffer from other mental issues science doesn't yet understand like night terrors.

>Also if you are not doing any cardio and have a bad diet you have to change it asap. In my experience good sex life and cadio solves many issues.
I'm definitely unhealthy and could be taking better care of myself. It is just hard to care about a body I hold in contempt and could never ever fix.

>If you need to be viewed as a woman in society you have to transition though.
Being seen as one is not as important to me as physically being one, which is not really an option.

Thank you and sorry if I come off as overly dismissive and ungrateful.

>>7691265
She decided to transition because of AGP. If she hadn't she might have been a cis guy with AGP. They do exist, I guess.

>>7691266
Maybe a life of repression and wishing you were a girl isn't so bad for everyone, just like dysphoria is different for everyone, and being happy with transition is different for everyone.

>>7691407
>Try to keep the mindset from when you don't feel that way and make it your overall outlook? That's what I try to do.
That's all we CAN do, I guess.

>I try to separate myself from my body and not think of it as who I am.
Same here. That's why I spend most of my time on the computer. I'm forcefully reminded of what I am when I have to interact with other people in meatspace though.

>Have an identity that's personal to you. You don't have to be a gender. Your personality is your identity.
Yeah, I get you. It is just that most people have a personality AND a gender while I have a personality and a glitched, corrupted void.

>>7691266
>look at /mtfg/ and all of the potential hons that erp and post anime pic all the way into their 30s
you really going to act superior, tranny?

>>7691357
>No, I like heterosexuality.
Yes, you are a masochist. Heterosexuality is quintessential sadomasochism, with roles of master and slave determined biologically. The kink of heterosexuality is inequality of genders and their mutual exploitation.

>What's wrong with FTMs?
They hate good things: beauty and grace and sex appeal. They envy cismen their degeneracy.

>Being androphilic AGP isn't like being a Jewish Nazi.
Demonstrate it on a diagram.

>Lack of testosterone makes for better orgasms.
Yeah, if anorgasmia and impotence are your idea of "better".

>>7691416
>That's why I spend most of my time on the computer. I'm forcefully reminded of what I am when I have to interact with other people in meatspace though.
I've managed to separate myself more. I can interact with people without feeling dysphoria from being reminded of what I am. Or maybe my dysphoria is just less than yours?

>It is just that most people have a personality AND a gender while I have a personality and a glitched, corrupted void.
No, it's not a void! There isn't a gender slot in your identity. There's just a part that in other people is uniform with one gender or the other, which is what groups people into genders. You can still have that part and still have an identity there, it's just not shared with half the population but specific to you.

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>>7691353
>I'm too masculinized at this point.
Aren't you flattering yourself here? LOL.

>>7691424
>Yes, you are a masochist. Heterosexuality is quintessential sadomasochism, with roles of master and slave determined biologically. The kink of heterosexuality is inequality of genders and their mutual exploitation.
How is it master and slave if it's mutual exploitation? What makes it exploitative and not being complementary? What's wrong with liking it even if it's masochistic?

>They hate good things: beauty and grace and sex appeal. They envy cismen their degeneracy.
Why do they hate those things? I didn't know they did. What's wrong with envying cis men? I envy cis women.

>>Being androphilic AGP isn't like being a Jewish Nazi.
>Demonstrate it on a diagram.
The latter two are opposing because the one wants to destroy the other. The former two can go together because they are two different values for two different things, self and other.

>>Lack of testosterone makes for better orgasms.
>Yeah, if anorgasmia and impotence are your idea of "better".
Women can orgasm, have more powerful orgasms and aren't impotent unless by that you just mean not male.

>>7691481
Just ignore this psycho.

>>7691486
No!

>>7691410
>Thank you and sorry if I come off as overly dismissive and ungrateful
You seem to be very depressed. Again it's very easy to continue this misery because misery is comforting. It's a state you know and working hard is not what your brain is telling you to do. You have to overcome it and start cardio and a healthy diet asap. No excuses.

I think you should try to transition. Even the process of taking HRT would increase your positive attitude because you would know something is happening and you are going somewhere. Just imagine the feeling of tender breasts as you take a deep breath after a good cardio, the sensation that is giving you the feeling of being alive. Right now you have no important future goal, no self improvement. No wonder you are dead inside. You can continue in this spiral and then you get past your thirties you can think back about this comment and cry yourself to another nightmare. You can of course, it's your choice.

With HRT it's possible to achieve a female silhouette if you exercise correctly. Yes you'd look like a hon for a while but if you'll work hard for it you can eventually get a good FFS and SRS.

Cannabis is great for many pathologies (including depression) and this is coming from somebody who is from the field. It would improve your sleep and you'd enjoy physical activity more. Don't dismiss an option just because of the drug label. Start small, use a good vaporizer. If you are afraid you should stick to medical strains with a well balanced THC/CBD ratio.

>>7691424
>They hate good things: beauty and grace and sex appeal. They envy cismen their degeneracy.
I agree with you on most parts but this just made me smile. Can you be more specific and give me a more complex statement so I am sure we are on the same page? I am genuinely interested in your thought process.

>>7691481
>How is it master and slave if it's mutual exploitation?
Inequality.

>What's wrong with liking it even if it's masochistic?
It's like liking cancer.

>What's wrong with envying cis men? I envy cis women.
They envy them the wrong things. Actually yes, you are very similar to FTMs, because you envy cis women the wrong things too.

>Women can orgasm
Anecdotes.

>Women have more powerful orgasms
Than you. Not than me.

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>>7691500
>Can you be more specific and give me a more complex statement
FTMs seem to want to be Russian gopniks. That's, like, the worst what male gender has to offer.

>>7691509
Enjoy your baiting and the entertainment it provides to your mammalian brain.

I was interested in envy of cis men degeneracy, not in FTM at all. Obviously women don't want to look like that but you did pretty good in the memeing department.

>>7691504
>Inequality.
What's the inequality?

>It's like liking cancer.
How so?

>They envy them the wrong things. Actually yes, you are very similar to FTMs, because you envy cis women the wrong things too.
What are the wrong things FTMs and I envy?

>>Women can orgasm
>Anecdotes.
What!

>>Women have more powerful orgasms
>Than you. Not than me.
What are your orgasms that are better than female orgasms?

>>7691526
Well, what more can I say? The gopnik is the pinnacle of male degeneracy. It doesn't get more "masculine" than the gopnik. FTMs seem to aim in this direction. I think you must improve your question if you find my answer unsatisfactory.

>>7691529
Maybe he enjoys prostate orgasms.

>>7691533
You weren't specific in your first post so I was interested how degenerate I am for being a cis man. I think your argument is that men envy women the wrong things about female anatomy and the same applies to women which is a discussion I am not interested in. It was just a little entertainment with the degeneracy statement about cis men to me.

>>7691529
>What's the inequality?
You aren't a feminist, are you? Inequality is the idea that woman is small, weak, obedient, cute, pretty, loving, sexy, sensitive. The idea that man is big, strong, apodictical, fearsome, ugly, angry, handsome, emotionally retarded.

>How so?
Exactly so!

>What are the wrong things FTMs and I envy?
See above about inequality. Also see >>7691509.

>>7691529
>What anecdotes?!
That's all you have for a proof. You can't back your claim with numbers.

>What are your orgasms that are better than female orgasms?
For starters, because I orgasm at all.
Secondly, because I ejaculate.
And there is more to come...

>>7691546
>Maybe he enjoys prostate orgasms.
You're close.

Boy this thread went fast. So, what would you say is different between agp and trans? I want a female anatomy and female sexual experience but so far as non-sexual things go they don't arouse me. Okay, I have only one bra and when I wear it occasionally I'll get tingly. It's a underwire so I think anatomy plays a large part. I want breasts so bad. I have this neurological anxiety and my therapists want to treat it as depression. They are hardly supportive.

>>7691546
>I was interested how degenerate I am for being a cis man.
The closer you are to a gopnik, the more degenerate you are. Is that a good answer?

There is a sufficient number of good things attributed to the male gender that sane FTMs should be satisfied with; no need for mastectomy.

>>7691561
>Boy this thread went fast.
I think I must leave because I'm getting hungry. Good luck with conversation :).

>>7691555
>You aren't a feminist, are you?
Why would you think that?

I don't want men to be ugly, angry or emotionally retarded and I don't know how a person can be apodictical unless you mean the kind of things he says, in which case I don't want him to be that either.

>That's all you have for a proof. You can't back your claim with numbers.
Why do you think women can't orgasm?

>You're close.
What then?

>>7691561
agp is wanting to have a woman's body.
trutrans want a feminine gender role.

>>7691561
It would be nice to feel right once in a while. I think I might have Aspbergers. All my perceptions are 'dialed up' to the point even passing cars or the radio will give me vertigo and seizures. I had my car hit 3 times before I quit my delivery job. The dumbest things seen daunting. I'm seeing a regular therapist and she thinks antidepressants are all I need. She thinks simply because I'm trans I'm gay, and bascially that I'm not limp-wristed enough to 'really' be trans. I want to see a gender therapist but am afraid they will feel the same, and I refuse to cheat for my mones. If I came in in a dress and told them to call me Clara it would be just as bad as looking in the mirror. Oh and I'm embarrassed about my identity so the less meatspace probing the better.

>>7691591
>and I refuse to cheat for my mones.
You're evidently not a woman then.

>>7691561
I don't think this counts as AGP since you're only aroused by sex-related stuff, unless you're otherwise a cis guy and happy about it. mite b trans.

>>7691591
You won't know if you don't try, Clara.

>>7691590
But I have AGP(?) and pseudo-bisexuality with a preference for gyneandromorphs. I like bi and butch girls, and to feel small and caressed. I don't do well with leading a relationship. At all. The thought of courting and planning dates for a girl and that sort of thing is nauseating. Same with if she wanted me to act masculine in the bedroom. Even if I love her I would forcefully decline. Sexual expression is hard. What the fuck is wrong with me?

>>7691608
>Clara
?

>>7691612
>>7691591
>If I came in in a dress and told them to call me Clara it would be just as bad as looking in the mirror.

Too late you're Clara now Clara. Apparently the name means "Bright, Clear, Famous" so you better live up to it.

>>7691596
Because I'm honest? That sounds slightly misogynistic. Sorry you femboys get a bad rap for faking trans all the time but I refuse to claw my way to the top. Lying is wrong and even if cisgirls do it all the time I shall not stoop to their level. I am better than that. Plus being ultra-femme isn't what it means to be female, and I want there to be no doubt I made the right decision.

>>7691591
>>7691625
Not that person but for real now yes you should see a gender therapist and yes you should do so as quickly as you can because passability matters to your day to day happiness. Some people don't really have the time to waste and so just get mones illegally. I don't look down on them for that.

>>7691601
Right. I have the sexuality and feelings of a bigirl and the attraction and style of a butch lesbian. Plaid is my best friend. Having these truer feelings scrambled by T and his sex drive, creeper attraction and other lesser thoughts nothing seems like a good option. I will die alone, but not before I deserve it. I am the epitome of a disgusting, beta 'male' whose only saving face is being kind and generous, in other words a chump. People walk all over me.

>>7691659
I guess I got a bit dramatic but I do stand by it. I don't understand my feelings and besides that this vague panic I'm in is crippling. Also no money to self-med, and anyway if my dad found out he will make my life difficult by little passive-aggressive means, and he's too dumb to let up until I'm dead. I already wish I was dead so he's won and he doesn't even know it. Maybe I just want to be someone else? I can't get away with that lie. As a kid I saw myself as like a brad pitt wannabe in 10 years even though at 6 I understood how wrong that is to who I am. I still don't like the pospect of imagining myself in the future. Baldness, a lonely existence and suicide are all in that future any direction I go. What a mess.

>>7691591
You should see a real professional. Start with a neurologist (who will probably send you to ENT specialist) because you have a real medical symptom (vertigo). Most people are really bad at self diagnosing and high functioning autism is also a spectrum that is misused even more than agp terminology.

If you obviously feel the need to become a woman you are cheating only yourself by not visiting a proper specialist and not taking HRT.

Also antidepressants are often a really bad idea, especially if administered by a therapist who doesn't know any better.

>>7691610
There is nothing wrong with you. You are submissive. Is that causing you discomfort?

>>7691681
>Also no money to self-med
HRT is cheap. Better start working on a side or take a second job to fulfil your dreams. It's much easier to accept your fate than fight it. You have one shot and you want it to go away without even trying. Fine. But don't make stupid excuses.

>>7691381

So as a neurologist, what do you think about brain sex studies, especially those concerning trans people and the finding that non-HSTS seem to have no similarities to women while having a section of the brain that is dissimilar to men and women?

>>7691916
not the neurologist guy (i'm in psychiatry and previously did some neuroscience and brain imaging), but last time i checked, those studies were pretty weak. the problem is that the entire field of research is currently very distorted by various ideologies and under pressure to produce clinical results, while it's clearly a basic research field atm. to be more precise, any results from brain scans i have seen so far are cohort effects at best, without usable predictive value in an individual.

but more importantly, i think it's dangerous to expect neuroscience to help us with our problems. picture this:
>i'm trans, can i have hrt?
>sorry, the brain scan says you're not 'really' trans
i think some people are hoping for justification through science where no justification should be needed in the first place.

>>7691526
>your mammalian brain
Spot on, Pepe!

What would we be without our mammary glands?
A. Amphibians?
B. Frogs?
C. Birds?
D. Bananas?
E. Transbians?
F. FTMs?

>>7691625
>That sounds slightly misogynistic.
If you choose to believe that rather than the truth maybe you are a girl mentally after all.

>Sorry you femboys get a bad rap for faking trans all the time but I refuse to claw my way to the top. Lying is wrong and even if cisgirls do it all the time I shall not stoop to their level. I am better than that.
Male af. Stupid too.

>Plus being ultra-femme isn't what it means to be female, and I want there to be no doubt I made the right decision.
Misguided truth in authority. Not sure if that's masculine or feminine.

I found a simple solution to the AGP fallacy! If I understand it correctly, Blanchard can belittle AGPs solely because their transgender condition fails to withstand the trial of HRT.

1. Now it's a fallacy because this trial is irrelevant! It's irrelevant because its effect is not so much due to an absent transgender condition, but rather due to the properties of just one specific type of HRT. A corresponding HRT trial in AAPs doesn't break the transgender condition because it raises libido, giving unfair advantage to AAPs over AGPs in Blanchard's framework.

2. MTFs are doing HRT wrong anyway. Blanchard's logic is circular because confirming it requires a specific kind of HRT which... confirms it, by killing sex drive and therefore the desire to transition. How to break Blanchard's logic? By medical progress! Devise such HRT that doesn't kill sex drive and therefore the desire to transition.

Disclaimer: I haven't read Blanchard's book, so my understanding of his theory can be wrong.

P.S. I have written a similar but even more comprehensive argumentation a long time ago in /mtfg/ but every tranny has carefully ignored it. I have forgotten about it until after I finished writing this post.

>>7691825
>You are submissive. Is that causing you discomfort?
Different anon, what's the solution for people who are in this situation?

>>7692939
>Blanchard can belittle AGPs solely because their transgender condition fails to withstand the trial of HRT.
Does he actually belittle us or just say that we respond to HRT differently?

>Devise such HRT that doesn't kill sex drive and therefore the desire to transition.
What if it isn't the type of HRT but just the nature of female hormones and natal male sex drive?

Please link to the archive of your /mtfg/ ignored argumentation.

>>7693057
>Please link to the archive of your /mtfg/ ignored argumentation.
Consider it lost for this moment. It's not lost but I have it on offline HDDs. Also I'm not sure I want to engage in necrobumping. You wanted me to die. There is no reason to resurrect me, other than to haunt you.

>>7693103
>You wanted me to die.
I have never posted in /mtfg/...
Please answer my questions about your proposed solution.

>>7693120
>Please answer my questions about your proposed solution.
I don't always have an answer. I'm not a computer.

>"I didn't vote in the Brexit referendum so don't blame me for Brexit."
Literally the same logic.

>>7693156
>blame
credit*

>>7693184
Fix accepted.

>>7693057
So, all I can say for now, is: good questions.

>>7693194
>>7693345
Gotcha. The second one, whether it's dependent on the type of HRT or female hormones in general, is the key question for your idea.

>>7692939
You're making a huge number of assumptions. Transitioners are generally still sexually active. They're just no longer AGP. AGP going away doesn't "kill the desire to transition" in most cases. I say most and not every because of the person who posted upthread about how they're regreting things. Prior to that I've just heard of dozens of people pretty much universally ceasing to feel AGP at some point after transitioning and being happy with the person they've become.

>>7689537
Yeah, you're barely even producing any testosterone since your testicles are gone, so continuing to take antiandrogens is only bad for you.

>>7691916
I can't give you any relevant answer because the diagnostics are still very poor and the results are tentative at best. As of now we don't know whether specific structural abnormalities present in trans are a case of cause or effect.

>>7691942
>i think it's dangerous to expect neuroscience to help us with our problems
I disagree. It would be dangerous to expect only neuroscience to determine the end result for a patient for now. What I expect in the future however is neuroimaging combined with deep learning algorithm outperforming any physician in correct recommendation of treatment.

>>7692941
Start accepting yourself and find a dominant partner.

>>7695144
>Start accepting yourself and find a dominant partner.
Sounds good.

>>7693783
>They're just no longer AGP.
But that's sick. Capacity for love begins with capacity for self-love. Loss of this capacity should be a medical red flag. Instead, it's being celebrated.

Similar: "Charity begins at home".

>>7691625
You don't have to "cheat". Buy your own HRT. If you know it's what you want then having a therapist decide you deserve them is of no benefit to you.

>>7688124
>Would you want to satisfy a man in bed just because you get off to the idea seeing yourself in a female position and would this pretending in your head during sex satisfy your needs?
yes.

>Do you want to become a woman socially or just in bed?
socially too at least with a bf. it doesn't matter so much with everyone else.

>Are you disgusted by your body image (doesn't apply in the sense I am fat but the general characteristics of your sex). or is your body shape and sex organs causing you discomfort?
i don't hate it but i'd rather be a girl.

>You may not even be attracted to men and yet you can be in a gay relationship to satisfy your agp.
i think my attraction is a mix of genuine and this.

>Do you watch porn? How often and what kind?
no. i just like pics of sexy girls and stories.

Does anyone else feel this way? I often have a different image in mind of how I look which differs from how I actually look. I always imagine more feminine features, smaller proportions, etc. (kinda femboyish), then I proceed to feel sad and hopeless when I catch a glimpse of myself in a mirror and remind myself of how I actually look.

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>>7698207
Yes
Its called dysphoria

>>7698207
you can be a feminine guy

>>7688124
>>7698116
>Are you disgusted by your body image (doesn't apply in the sense I am fat but the general characteristics of your sex). or is your body shape and sex organs causing you discomfort?
Different person here but I always struggle to answer this question. I strongly dislike my body. I'm also very ugly so that confounds the cause. If I could get any sort of body I'd opt for a woman's, but I don't despise my penis for being a penis. If I could only choose any sort of ideal male body then perhaps I'd make myself less ugly but imagining myself with such a body is odd and disquieting in a way imagining myself with a female one isn't. I'm strongly uncomfortable with my facial hair but I'm not that bothered by my broad shoulders because, and typing this I realize how crazy it sounds, they fit my current "avatar".

All in all I really don't get me.

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>tfw you don't know whether your AGP is the cause of your self-loathing or a result of it

>>7698545
When did you first *AGP*? At what age?

>>7698439
i don't really dislike my body or even think about having a different male one, or despise my penis. but i'd still love a female one. male things like facial hair and wide shoulders don't make me miserable but i still wish i didn't have them so i could be a girl instead.

>>7698660
different person, i think about 12. i wish i knew for sure. what does that mean?

>>7698660
I don't recall when it first started. I was a pretty feminine child desu.

>>7698894
>I was a pretty feminine child desu.
Explain?

>>7699936
For the earliest part of my childhood, I'd want to play with dolls and hairbrushes and shit and begged my sisters to paint my toenails but I grew out of it. Even then, I was always non-confrontational and shy. I've taken those psuedo-scientific personality tests and always score androgynous or feminine as far as mentality goes. I sometimes think I would like myself more if I was a girl, and have fantasies along those lines, but I realize it is unrealistic. In addition to that, I have only ever been attracted to women.

>>7700004
Why do you find it hard to like yourself as a boy?

I don't think only being attracted to women means much when it comes to this stuff.

>>7700053
>Why do you find it hard to like yourself as a boy?
I have to resign to being ugly. I can't look attractive to myself, and the way I naturally think and act are stigmatized. I exercise frequently because if I don't I feel fat, but well-developed muscles disgust me. The societal focus on male assertiveness is disturbing, and feels unnatural to me.

>>7700137
What is the way you naturally think and act? What stigma do you get for it?

Which particular parts of male assertiveness feels unnatural and disturbing?

>>7698008

>tfw I want to be the girl on the right but even my mom doesn't have tits that big

what is the general opinion about curing trans folks using pimozide on /agp/?

>>7701335
There is no cure. The supposed success of that drug is from it numbing the mind entirely. It's like a temporary chemical lobotomy. Of course someone who is partially brain dead won't be feeling dysphoria. They won't be feeling anything.

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any of you self medicating even when you know you're not trans?

>>7698235
Well yeah, that pic is pretty much how I've felt ever since puberty.

>>7701018
Same.

>>7701018
>>7703584
>wanting oversized breasts
how plebian.

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>>7703675
The world belonged to us
until the skinny man came
and ruined it.

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>>7701483
>self medicating
yes... not with female hormones though. lol!

>>7703727
>Not wanting to be smol and elegant and refined

Wish list for new thread OP:
*Not anime
*Not lewd
*Not thicc
*Not underaged
*Not a cow
*Cool af

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>>7704254

am i agp

>dont get a stiffy when dressing like a woman
>lingerie are my least interest cuz they're boring
>only topless in shower cuz i cant stand looking at my chest lol

>>7704550
oh yeah might as well add some more shit cuz

>i crush on guys a lot n shit
>18 and first hormones shipped last week idk if that has any bearing
>5'2 if that has any bearing lol
>esp. at the doctor's office when ur referred to as "male" feels weird. not entirely like i wanna kill myself bad but like jesus christ dude what the fuck

>>7704550
>>7704592
no did you even read the OP wtf

>>7704609
yeah but the op didnt really feel like it resolved my questions or stuff

i mean yeah

>>7704612
>dont get a stiffy when dressing like a woman
AGP=arousal to the thought of being a woman

>>7704655
hmm i get aroused when i think about suckin a dick or getting a dick in the ass but i dont really have to imagine myself to be a woman

>>7704660
you're just gay then my dude

>>7704689
fuck u

>>7704612
>>7704660
yeah you're not agp but it doesn't really matter you can feel agp and be trans too

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>>7704690
it wasn't meant as an insult.
just a factual statement.

>>7698116
Make a good analysis of yourself and make sure your dysphoric state isn't progressing (with age). I think you should experiment with (vaporizing) a few diverse cannabis strains to see if cannabis enhances your roleplay in sex, introspection, and generally your satisfaction in life.

>>7698439
It doesn't sound crazy. Just think that perhaps not you but your depression is ugly. Perhaps you don't want to improve your undesired state and that's why you are neglecting your body. What would happen if you knew your body is slowly transforming into a more feminine one? Would you have an incentive to work on it and help it to be even more feminine with correct exercises and diet? If you want to be a woman you should do your own research and also seek professional help to transition.

>>7704655
is it possible for agp to lessen over time?
when i started presenting, it definitely lessened b/c i was so immersed in all that is needed to be passable
now i kind of lost the kink and can go 2 weeks without fapping

>>7705044
yes
as your testosterone levels drop your sex drive will go down.
T levels also decrease with age.
And the novelty wears off.
Soon you will need someone to shit in your mouth to get a boner.

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>>7703584

Even though my mom doesn't have tits that big, my father's cousin (who's only 3 years older than I am) did used to have breasts like that before, except they were higher up on her chest, maybe because of her bra or because hers were just perkier. Even after her breast reduction, she's still pretty, somewhat busty, and has childbearing hips. If only I had her sexy genes.

>>7703752

Sure, if you offered me a choice between having a body like this girl's or my own I would pick being like this girl because that is 100% a female body and could never be taken for a man's, but my preference would still be to have a big-tittied, THICC female body.

>>7704381
I approve!

>>7705159
i think agp lessens if you have something to DO
it's when i'm by myself, that i start to think about this
never at work

don't think it ever will go away since i thought about it since young

>>7705745
>i think agp lessens if you have something to DO
this. reading /lgbt/ can bring me to tears. but having fun irl i can not even think about being a girl. a 100% fulfilling life and i expect agp to have 0 effect.

this is hillarious

>>7706144
What is?

New thread >>7708427

>>7704254
>>7704381
how about:
*Not anorexic
*Not sexless

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>>7705257
>because that is 100% a female body and could never be taken for a man's
how wrong. it can be mistaken for a trap or CASTRATED man. woman > eunuch.

>a big-tittied, THICC female body
>mistakable for a man's
while you're attracted to thicc women, you've internalised skinny propaganda to the point of logical failure.