Anyone here a cis girl agp? Approximate 93% of women have agp

>>7613768
>statistics from moser study
those are bullshit and have the fatal flaw of assuming the same words will mean the same thing in two different cultures
you can't just take a quiz used for one group and assume it applies just as well to the other, that'd 101-level bad psychology
the questions cis women generally answered yes to mean entirely different things to someone who's always lived as a woman vs someone who's mostly lived as a man

anyway, yes, there are agp natal females
i'm a trans man and pretty much a reverse transbian -- before i transitioned i was the stereotypical autistic weeby transbian who obsessed over some bizarre fetishy ideal of womanhood and had no idea how to be female at all

When I have a brand new hairdo , and my eyelashes all in curls~

>>7613768
Celebrities like her probably have the equivalent, although I'm not totally convinced she's cis desu

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>>7613768
this agp meme is fucking retarded

>>7613768
How can you be cis and agp at the same time?

>>7613882
"Auto-gyne-philia", literally love of oneself as a woman, doesn't necessarily imply anything about being trans.

>>7613768
>Anyone here a cis girl
top kek desu senpai

>>7613794
Words don't magically change meaning. Sure, hon level AGP among natal females is rare, but low grade AGP is expressed by most women.

AGP isn't all jerking off in silk panties and dressing like a slutty 14 year old.

>>7613814
>>7613794
Almost as bad as the transbian meme.

Trans lesbians are just another sexuality gender combo. Get over yourselves.

>>7613768
yep
sometimes i'll get super horny thinking about how hard my bf is gonna fuck me that night

>>7614399
How is that agp?

>>7614410
it isn't, and it's the thing that the moser study ''''''found'''''' to be agp
93% of cis women get horny thinking about or doing things in preparation for having sex, who would have guessed

>>7614410
how is it not..?

>>7613794
>had no idea how to be female at all
How to be female:
- have XX chromosomes
- have ovaries, fallopian tubes, a uterus, cervix, vagina, urethra, clitoris, and labia
Congrats, you're female!

You always WERE female. You just believed you had to act a certain way to be ~truly~ female because society is idiots and brainwashed you into that thought.

That may just be the sole reason you ended up thinking you're "really a boy in a girl's body".

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>>7613814
>>7614295
Yeah, about that...

>>7613882
It's a meme perpetuated by transbians who are offended by the truth.

Actually I could agree with a definition of AGP that real women can also have. The way I see it: society bombards us with imagery of women getting sexually dominated in connection with sexual pleasure. This makes many women develop a masochistic sexuality, but not that many either because at the same time it's shameful so there's resistance too and a constant inner conflict; let's say maybe 50% of women develop sexual masochism in this atmosphere. When it comes to men, there's also the shame aspect, plus they're expected to empathize with the dominant side in the porn they're bombarded with, but in a minority of cases the synapses misfire and they end up getting a hard-on for the masochistic side.

There you have a simple explanation of why there's AGP in say 10% of men and say 50% of women. Figures pulled out of my ass of course, but you get the basic picture.

Obviously none of it justifies men calling themselves women.

>>7614207
Absolutely, I strongly suspect a lot of women exhibit a weak to moderate form of AGP. The non AGP types are probably the r/gendercritical reeeeing about how stupid femininity is.

Blanchardians actually project HSTS narratives onto ciswomen. Essentially women are empty vessels who only exist to have sex with men. In reality women are closer to androphilic AGPs than HSTSs.

>>7614485
>You just believed you had to act a certain way to be ~truly~ female because society is idiots and brainwashed you into that thought
except i was raised in a feminist bubble and any way i chose to present myself was completely, 100%, unconditionally accepted as 'a normal and wonderful way of being a girl'
you're assuming i acted like a butch lesbian or something when i couldn't even pull off being a girl that much
i looked like any stereotypical /tttt/ mtf, with no idea how any women -- including masculine, gender-non-conforming women -- act in basic fundamental ways
gnc women were freaked out by me more than gender-conforming ones were because i acted like the stereotypical Transbian Invading Women's Spaces

>>7614514
>i was raised in a...
Direct parental influence is nothing compared to what we all suck up from media and the larger society, sadly.
And the rest of your post still relies on the essential idea that women are to act a certain way. If GNC women thought you were like a transbian, that probably means you were forcing yourself to act feminine when it didn't fit you, no?

I really don't want to make you feel bad by questioning deeply held beliefs and lifestyle choices, especially if you've already passed the point of returning on the FtM route, but if I speak my mind honestly, I'd still ask: why didn't you just behave 100% in the way that seemed the most natural to you, and put that forth as a legitimate female personality? (Because it literally was/is, in a sense. If a person is female, then their personality is a legitimate female personality, end of story. It may of course be a female personality with bad influences from society, and the person may want to work on those and get back to their "true/natural" personality, but either way their personality is a legit female personality if it's the personality of a female person, i.e. a person with XX chromosomes and internal and external female anatomy as described in any simple biology textbook...)

Sorry about the bluntness, I kinda can't help it. It's probably the [spoiler]male socialization[/spoiler].

>>7614533
>Direct parental influence is nothing compared to what we all suck up from media and the larger society, sadly
the media i consumed was my mum's 90s feminist literature, i was espousing radfem viewpoints at age nine
i decidedly did not grow up in a normal social context
>If GNC women thought you were like a transbian, that probably means you were forcing yourself to act feminine when it didn't fit you, no?
i was acting roughly as masculine/feminine as i wanted to, which...yeah, most of the women who dressed and presented the way i did were transbians, in that i acted like a reclusive and slightly more feminine than average nerdy guy with long hair, but did so as a 'girl'
>I really don't want to make you feel bad by questioning deeply held beliefs and lifestyle choices, especially if you've already passed the point of returning on the FtM route, but if I speak my mind honestly, I'd still ask: why didn't you just behave 100% in the way that seemed the most natural to you, and put that forth as a legitimate female personality?
i did
i put myself forward as a girl, assumed i was just an extremely unusual female, and then noticed that actual unusual [natal] females -- hell, even most of the ones who transitioned to male -- acted absolutely nothing like me in any way, shape, or form
>Sorry about the bluntness, I kinda can't help it. It's probably the [spoiler]male socialization[/spoiler]
you act more like a chick than i ever did

>>7613814
In terms of being an objective disease.

It does serve to accurately shit on women though.

>>7614562
>i put myself forward as a girl, assumed i was just an extremely unusual female, and then noticed that actual unusual [natal] females -- hell, even most of the ones who transitioned to male -- acted absolutely nothing like me in any way, shape, or form
So you concluded that because you had a unique personality / a personality more commonly seen in men, you must really be male?..
>you act more like a chick than i ever did
Sorry but I find it really ironic how transgender folk keep insisting how their beliefs have nothing to do with sex stereotypes, and then I hear stuff like this...

BTW have you ever been checked for autism? I mean not in the insulting 4chan sense but the literal medical sense.

>>7614620
>So you concluded that because you had a unique personality / a personality more commonly seen in men, you must really be male?
no, c.f. how i pointed out that even amongst trans men i'm a crazy weirdo outlier
i concluded i was a guy because of the whole sex dysphoria thing that was fucking everything up, and then realized afterwards it probably wasn't coincidental that i was gnc in weird, subtle ways that get called 'male socialization' in anyone with, uh, male socialization
>Sorry but I find it really ironic how transgender folk keep insisting how their beliefs have nothing to do with sex stereotypes, and then I hear stuff like this...
i am not a feminist and have nothing against gender roles
i used to, but then i got over that
>BTW have you ever been checked for autism? I mean not in the insulting 4chan sense but the literal medical sense.
i was diagnosed as a child and spent a lot of my childhood around autistic cis girls
i do not act anything like autistic cis girls and was treated as a strange invader around them
i get along well with autistic cis guys, including the ones who later become trans girls

>>7614533
Not that anon, but I can relate to him. Looking back, femininity and womanhood always felt like an act or game of pretend to me. I distinctly remember feelings of anxiety about myself that today fall dangerously close to feelings of "what if I don't pass?". It's obviously gonna be different from an outsider perspecive; I'm sure people didn't question if I was a girl, they just thought I was a real girl, but the terror of failing to perform and be understood as a girl was real, regardless of if I was a dyke or I was a emo chick or I was a casual femme with long hair and no other feminine traits. In my experience, the way ciswomen feel about this tend to be more about not feeling feminine ENOUGH rather than, as I have done, being incredibly feminine and just feeling like I'm doing it wrong.

To answer OPs question, though: I'm FTM and I still experience some form of AGP, which is fucking weird. It kicks my dysphoria into high heavens, but it's a thing. I feel as if maybe once I've transitioned further I'll be able to indulge in femininity more on my OWN terms, and see how I feel then.

Also, my GF definitely has it to some extent.

>>7614745
original anon
femininity was sort of pretend for me, but it was more than that
i legitimately could not act like a girl in any way, not a butch girl, not an emo girl, not a high femme girl, not any kind of girl
i acted like a guy who really, really wanted to be a girl, and i did really, really want to be a girl
i had the stereotypical agp image of a girl i both wanted to be and wanted to fuck, complete with rainbow thigh-highs
but my view of how women acted and presented themselves, despite being 'female socialized', was about as accurate as the view held by the average member of susan's place -- or maybe the average /r9k/ poster who's starting to consider falling for the tranny meme

>>7614745
So your thought patterns included the concept of *doing* femininity, and the whole issue was based around that... See that's the strange part: that the whole thing is based on the idea of doing femininity, "proper" womanhood, "feeling like a woman", and so on. I think it would require some extraordinary evidence to claim that such feelings are natural, since they're all social constructions.

>>7614766
>i legitimately could not act like a girl in any way
>act like a girl
You did act like a girl, because you were a girl. Any way you acted was a way a girl acted. Do you see where I'm coming from? I know it goes contrary to your thought patterns, but it's literally true. Like, premise #1: you were female (XX chromosomes and internal and external female anatomy), premise #2: you acted like <whatever>, and finally, conclusion: the <whatever> way of acting is a way at least one female person on Earth acts, therefore it's a way female people may act. When you were female, literally everything you did was something a female person does. At least one, and very very likely many more scattered around the planet.

(I'm avoiding the whole semantic debate of whether you are or aren't still female, regardless of transition status. That's another topic entirely.)

I think I'm a cis girl aap. How common is that?

>>7615064
>You did act like a girl, because you were a girl. Any way you acted was a way a girl acted. Do you see where I'm coming from?
i can see why your ideology says that
i have also noted that other people with similar ideologies call the ways i naturally act towards myself, other men, and women symptomatic of 'male privilege/entitlement/socialization'
arguing that the way i act is the way women act because i was theoretically female and acted that way sounds about as reasonable as saying a penis is a female organ because some people who are theoretically women have penises, another premise i reject -- outliers are remarkable *because* they're outliers, almost everyone who acts in certain ways is a natal male, and almost everyone who has certain organs is a man
again, this is coincidental to my original decision to transition (well, the reality is more complex, but that would obscure the fact i did *not* transition out of a failure to fit gender roles), and you may note i have been saying that my behaviour fits natal males rather than fitting men

>>7615140
>because i was theoretically female
You *literally* were female, as the agreed-upon definition of the word "female" by almost all of society as well as the science of biology is the one I gave previously, based on chromosomes and internal and external anatomy. It's not an ideology as much as using simple biology-based definitions of common words. All mammals are either female or male (or intersex). Even cannabis plants can be female or male.

>about as reasonable as saying a penis is a female organ because some people who are theoretically women have penises
No person with a penis is "theoretically" or otherwise a woman, unless one uses a very strange definition of the word "woman" instead of the common "female adult person" that can be found in any dictionary or encyclopedia.

>i have also noted that other people with similar ideologies call the ways i naturally act towards myself, other men, and women symptomatic of 'male privilege/entitlement/socialization'
When it comes to male and female socialization, that's not nearly as clear-cut as biology of course. People are generally socialized a certain way by society due to their sex, but every personality is unique, and every person's life experience also. So outliers happen, and maybe your particular combination of natural personality + life experience lead you to behave in ways that is otherwise commonly found in male peolpe, due to their common life experiences (like being groomed into masculinity), and rarely found in female people like you were, due to their common life experiences (being groomed into femininity).

>i have been saying that my behaviour fits natal males rather than fitting men
Sorry, what does that mean? What behavior is there that is typical of natal males (regardless of their socialization), other than sexual attraction to females?

>>7614766
>i acted like a guy who really, really wanted to be a girl, and i did really, really want to be a girl
i had the stereotypical agp image of a girl i both wanted to be and wanted to fuck, complete with rainbow thigh-highs

Pretty much this exactly.

>>7615064
But that's the strange part, and I might be misreading you here, but this DOES come naturally to cis girls. Every cis girl I've spoken to have their own brand of femininity, and they might be annoyed with the way society demand them to perform it, but it still feels real to them. They might struggle with society asking them to be MORE feminine, but the femininity (or lack thereof) they DO perform still feels natural to them. Right and real and natural and rewarding, even if it's not necessarily easy.

Like, I see where you're coming from, but the feeling of being an impostor was very much real.

>>7615079
Pretty common as far as I know, though it's generally referred to as "penis envy".